Bionicle 2015 Discussion

[Still Raindrop]

Yeah, I also prefer the web animations to a tv show

[Kalhiki]

Not sure if anyone has done this already, but I've taken screenshots of the animation and compiled them into a gallery for easy access:

http://www.majhost.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=289753

[Mutant Orc]

oooh nice, thanks!

[GK733]

Sry I ask this again, but why this was not posted on their Facebook

The image shows temple of time according to the team. It was not mentioned but it also has clearly 5 (sixth is probably just out of the picture) energy beams coming towards the island of Okoto and the crash of one.

Edited October 11, 2014 by GK733

[DuckBricks]

Sry I ask this again, but why this was not posted on their Facebook

The image shows temple of time according to the team. It was not mentioned but it also has clearly 5 (sixth is probably just out of the picture) energy beams coming towards the island of Okoto and the crash of one.

Hrm, sounds a bit like the holding place for those magic stones that Takua used to summon the Toa...

[InfurnallDragon]

Greg Farshtey, the Great Being of Gumbo

From Bionicle's Facebook

Apparently that was in the NYCC presentation slideshow?

Edited October 11, 2014 by InfurnallDragon

[Cheatster9000x]

Greg Farshtey, the Great Being of Gumbo

From Bionicle's Facebook

Apparently that was in the NYCC presentation slideshow?

It was...

I also want a taste of that Bionicle Primal Soup. I mean, ingesting ABS shouldn't be bad for me, right? Lego is non-toxic, right? So this Primal Soup should be fit for human consumption... Right?

[Kalhiki]

Still don't see Greg in that chef, but yeah. It was in the presentation.

Speaking of which, really diggin' that concept art. Especially of the mask designs.

[Mandate]

I just realized Onu-Koro is a massive hole in the ground on Okoto

EDIT: And Ekimu has lost his mask when he's been knocked out. So who took, and hid, the Masks?

Edited October 11, 2014 by JayWalker

[InfurnallDragon]

Vezon did.

But more seriously I find the Ekimu in a stasis, in a box similar to Thor's Odinsleep which is pretty cool.

The spiders are referred to as the mask snatchers or something in one of the slides. I think its the Tahu Conceptual -> Finalized slide. So they most likely did it.

Edited October 11, 2014 by InfurnallDragon

[Refy L.S.]

I saw someone mention this on 4chan I think, but;

Is Kopaka using a Mask of Shielding in this image? It would seem to be at least some sort of shielding power, and also the mask he is wearing seems to look similar to Tahu's Hau:

Perhaps the Golden Masks will come with other powers, along with the 'increased elemental powers'? It seems odd, but would be interesting.

[InfurnallDragon]

I saw someone mention this on 4chan I think, but;

Is Kopaka using a Mask of Shielding in this image? It would seem to be at least some sort of shielding power, and also the mask he is wearing seems to look similar to Tahu's Hau:

Perhaps the Golden Masks will come with other powers, along with the 'increased elemental powers'? It seems odd, but would be interesting.

That would be such a convenient copout for LEGO to not make the alternate mask colors... Cant say I didnt see it coming. I had been thinking about how the toa each had their full set of each others' masks, and how that would work with the new plot. It would be completely unnecessary if they all just shared the golden ones.

Edited October 11, 2014 by InfurnallDragon

[Dorek]

They have a current topic on the LMB asking for people to guess what the powers are for the masks, so I think it'd be a little silly if they were just the exact same ones from 2001; perhaps we'll see some old standbys, like shielding, and some new ones. Maybe they'll tailor the mask powers to fit deficiencies that the Toa have.

That would be such a convenient copout for LEGO to not make the alternate mask colors... Cant say I didnt see it coming. I had been thinking about how the toa each had their full set of each others' masks, and how that would work with the new plot. It would be completely unnecessary if they all just shared the golden ones.

Not really a "copout", just a design decision. They were never obligated to make mask packs, and with things like the NYCC transparent Tahu mask (gotta get me one of them...) I'm sure we'll see enough variations to be fun.

[InfurnallDragon]

Yeah I was not really thinking too much about it, but they do have a Budget and everything. From what Ive seen of interviews they tried to get as close to the max as they could with it already and gave us some pretty cool sets. I really hope youre right about the Hau being evidence that they will do this more than once. I also hope that they decide to do this in a more accessible way than NYCC.

With the revelation (to me) that LEGO did do a Pick a Brick thing with CCBS but stopped due to poor recognition of what the pieces were, I feel like Constraction is hindered by this lack of relevancy. Could LEGO do more to promote things like BIONICLE or CCBS? I dont mean the kind of advertising thing LEGO is likely to already do in a similar manner to old BIONICLE. I think they need to show these as a part of LEGO. What if they made a character entirely out of CCBS to be a protagonist in sequel to the LEGO Movie for example?I think the last movie did a good job showing LEGO itself, but it failed to show all of LEGO by passing off their aciton figures as something they "dont even need to mention". They did not really show any action figure characters as characters in even the background for scenes like the Master Builders' headquarters.

Edited October 11, 2014 by InfurnallDragon

[Takanuinuva]

I don't think that the Golden Masks will have multiple powers. Remember in this new story. One mask cannot have more than one power or it would become to strong.

That's why the Mask of Ultimate Power took control of Makuta and plunged him and Ekimu into sleep.

[Still Raindrop]

Looking at that more detailed picture of Okoto on the Bionicle facebook page, I realized that, while exaggerated, it's still somewhat realistic and well laid-out--all the drier climes are on the western side of the mountain, while the wetter ones are on the east. If the clouds move from east to west, this makes sense. The separations are still abrupt, but still. I like that level of detail.

[gedren_y]

I just don't get the logic of how the golden masks are the same shape as the masks the Toa already wear. I understand the business logic; to make more use of the mold, but what is the story logic here? I never followed the original Bionicle storyline (none of Lego's in house IP actually), so how does that work?

Are they shape-shifting masks?

Do the Toa arrive without masks, and the mask becomes the color of the power?

Did Ekimu and Makuta have some special knowledge about how the masks were to be shaped for the future wearers?

Were the Toa somehow created to match the masks?

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The sets themselves are wonderful. Lots of parts I can use for my MOCs. The art for the 'series' is rather uninteresting to me, so I may just ignore the story like I did with the previous one.

Edited October 12, 2014 by gedren_y

[Dorek]

I just don't get the logic of how the golden masks are the same shape as the masks the Toa already wear. I understand the business logic; to make more use of the mold, but what is the story logic here? I never followed the original Bionicle storyline (none of Lego's in house IP actually), so how does that work?

Are they shape-shifting masks?

Do the Toa arrive without masks, and the mask becomes the color of the power?

Did Ekimu and Makuta have some special knowledge about how the masks were to be shaped for the future wearers?

Were the Toa somehow created to match the masks?

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The sets themselves are wonderful. Lots of parts I can use for my MOCs. The art for the 'series' is rather uninteresting to me, so I may just ignore the story like I did with the previous one.

In the previous series the Toa all collected the versions of each other's masks that they didn't have (6x6, so 36 "standard" masks plus a bunch more) which they then fused to make golden masks, which would change shape depending on which power they were using (sometimes not at all, but that varied by story media) at any given time. The "default" one on their face was the golden version of their original mask. These versions were all released in mask packs from 2001-2002, with some random silver versions as well that never got used in the story.

(as per usual I'll plug BS01 for the story stuff)

In this case, we don't know why there are additional golden masks, or what they do. But they are very cool looking, indeed!

[Refy L.S.]

Maybe they'll tailor the mask powers to fit deficiencies that the Toa have.

Hmm, that could work.

Hau, Mask of Memory

Pakari, Mask of Insomnia

Kakama, Mask of Night Vision

Miru, Mask of Foresight

Akaku, Mask of Direction

...and Kaukau, Mask of Humor :P

[Jacen Torq]

Mask of Insomnia..... xD

[Kalhiki]

For Bio15, the Gold Masks were described to allow the Toa to unlock their full potential. With no mention of what powers the Toa have to begin with, who knows what the "full potential" relates to. For that matter, there hasn't even been mention of mask powers yet (though the shielding for Kopaka seems intriguing).

I don't think that the Golden Masks will have multiple powers. Remember in this new story. One mask cannot have more than one power or it would become to strong.

Not necessarily. Masks can't be forged from more than one element. Whether or not that relates to mask powers remains to be seen (like I said, no mention of mask powers). Honestly, this whole element/mask power ordeal of how it all works is kinda confusing. Need more info.

Edited October 12, 2014 by Kalhiki

[Chro]

For Bio15, the Gold Masks were described to allow the Toa to unlock their full potential. With no mention of what powers the Toa have to begin with, who knows what the "full potential" relates to. For that matter, there hasn't even been mention of mask powers yet (though the shielding for Kopaka seems intriguing).

Character bios did mention powers.

Just off the top of my head...

Tahu has control over fire and resistance to heat.

Kopaka has a freezing touch and resistance to cold.

Gali has control over water and can outswim anything.

Onua can create earthquakes and see in the dark.

Lewa can commune with the plants and the wind.

Pohatu can... break and throw rocks?

These are basically simplified/rephrased versions of their old powers and traits, so nothing too major has been changed. (If you consider Lewa's preexisting natural affinity for, uh, nature to be translated into an actual power to commune with plants, no completely new abilities have been given to the Toa.)

Edited October 12, 2014 by Chro

[Refy L.S.]

Character bios did mention powers.

Just off the top of my head...

Tahu has control over fire and resistance to heat.

Kopaka has a freezing touch and resistance to cold.

Gali has control over water and can outswim anything.

Onua can create earthquakes and see in the dark.

Lewa can commune with the plants and the wind.

Pohatu can... break and throw rocks?

He can also apparently fly on his boomerangs. :u

But if box art is anything to go off, it looks like Stone is tying more into sand than anything, as Pohatu seems to be flying on a sandstorm in both images. Also the Stone Protector is described to have a sandstorm blaster or something.

[Chro]

Yeah, it's weird that all his depictions thus far center around sand, while his bio only mentions solid rock. (Not even any ability involving control over rock... just the power to break rock. And throw it around.)

[Clone 01354 Productions]

I feel like Constraction is hindered by this lack of relevancy. Could LEGO do more to promote things like BIONICLE or CCBS? I dont mean the kind of advertising thing LEGO is likely to already do in a similar manner to old BIONICLE. I think they need to show these as a part of LEGO. What if they made a character entirely out of CCBS to be a protagonist in sequel to the LEGO Movie for example?I think the last movie did a good job showing LEGO itself, but it failed to show all of LEGO by passing off their aciton figures as something they "dont even need to mention".

Yes. Bionicle was an integral part in Lego itself; when you went to a Lego Store, it was Bionicle everywhere (At least, in early years). They had several movies, comic series, books, special events--Bionicle was part of Lego.

When HF came, it, and thus CCBS, had very little publicity (after year one), few events, and a smaller fan following. Come on, in all honesty, how many kids in the toy aisle do you see buying HF? When you walk into a Lego Store, how big is the space allotted for HF? The answer to both: almost none.

What Lego is doing is genius: mix the most popular Lego theme, a massive and long-awaited return, special events, huge publicity, AND the new building style? Smart move on Lego's part. Now, if Lego made a Toa a supporting character in The Lego Movie 2, guess how much publicity CCBS would have? You can sell exclusive Bionicle villains to fight them, and include them with regular system sets.

What Lego should do before 2017? TV show. Movie. Okoto Online Game. Comics. Books. LEGO STORE EVENTS (Like the New York one). The monthly promotions they give out? Make it a mask or something. When I walk into a Lego Store, I need to see a wall of Bionicle, a display, an advertisement. Hey, maybe the employees should even dress up as a Toa.

Without publicity, Bionicle II will go the same way as HF.

Edited October 12, 2014 by LN-01354