Hinckley Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 All I know is what Paul PM'd me. He told me the town block sent him. And the town block says they did not. Why would anyone be lying about something like this?
mostlytechnic Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Well, sounds like the obvious solution is for Paul to post the PMs from where they sent him. If he can't, then he's lying. Or Harriet is, but she also can prove her version of the story. People, just post the PMs so we can find the truth and know who's lying.
mediumsnowman Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 I'm on my phone at the moment and it hates emoticons, copy/paste, autocorrect, and just about everything else. As soon as I'm on an actual computer at my lunch break (12:30ish) I'll post the PM's.
Hinckley Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Well, sounds like the obvious solution is for Paul to post the PMs from where they sent him. If he can't, then he's lying. Or Harriet is, but she also can prove her version of the story. People, just post the PMs so we can find the truth and know who's lying. I would rather see Paul post the PMs where Minga tells him I'm the Serial Killer. I mean, I would really love that.
Lind Whisperer Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 I would rather see Paul post the PMs where Minga tells him I'm the Serial Killer. I mean, I would really love that. Same.Seamus told us the tracker was dead, sigh ... And I'd love to see this one as well...
Hinckley Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Seamus told us the tracker was dead, sigh ... Zipzop was the one that revealed Laura was the tracker but nice try...
Dragonfire Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Then there's Paul and 4 of 2, who would both be top of my list if it weren't for their claims. I think vig would be a harder role to fake than watcher, so of the two I would think Paul more likely to be scum. PR claims aside, Paul is also clearly the more suspicious, having repeatedly admitted to doing scummy things, from sheeping the vote on day one to his behaviour throughout day two. The thing is, though, Paul claimed to have watched himself. Who're you going to catch watching yourself? The investigator, obviously. Cause blockers and killers would just make it redundant. Harriet says you told her the Town block wanted you to find out from her why she was parroting me but the Town block says that you did it on your own. Who is not telling the truth there? Paul, probably. Or Harriet. We need to see those PMs. Did you know the tracker can still see a killer target someone, even when the target is protected? Yeah, Paul? this town loss will be on Minga and Clem for having poorly led the town. How? To be honest, Minga thinks we've done the opposite. If Minga hadn't claimed publicly, we wouldn't have a town block right now. And we've served you guys the first scum on a platter. More will hopefully soon follow. How is that poor leading? Minga told me Seamus was the SK Liar. If Diamond hadn't turned up scum, Minga would have voted Paul just for this. gave scum you all the clues they needed to find the cop Edited for emphasis. Did you not read Minga's PM saying that we're trying to trick the scum into believing a certain person or people is/are the cop? Except that I'm not fishing, I'm right about the cop; you know it, Minga knows it but still you insist that I'm wrong. You're wrong, but even if you were right it would still be fishing It's fine by me that you have your own win condition and that you sided with town to win with us BUT in killing/lynching me, you will kill town ... again ... oh wait! that's what you've been doing since day one ... HEY EVERYONE LOOK AT PAUL; HE'S SCUMMY! LET'S LYNCH TOWN AGAIN! YAY! We're lynching Scummy Diamond. You should know, you voted her All I know is what Paul PM'd me. He told me the town block sent him. Can you post the PMs? Minga wants to know who is lying, or whether it was a misunderstanding. I would rather see Paul post the PMs where Minga tells him I'm the Serial Killer. I mean, I would really love that. Seconded. Same.And I'd love to see this one as well... Minga thinks Paul was referring to Seamus' post in thread, where he typed in massive red text "the tracker is dead."
Ranger of the Forest Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 But the more of an a–Paul–ogistTM Vote: Diamond Dodd (CallMePie) Still find Bock suspicious, if anyone was wondering...
Hinckley Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Still find Bock suspicious, if anyone was wondering... Oh, as we say in the old country...on Planet Australia..."A clean shirt'll do 'em!"
mediumsnowman Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Here they are. These were sent yesterday after I voted for Rip. Paul Hi harriet. The town block and I have noticed you are just repeating a lot of Seamus's arguments. What's going on with that? Harriet Well, looking back through my posts I suppose I have been parroting a bit. I think he's made some good arguments and I agree with them. Paul Alright, thanks
Dragonfire Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Here they are. These were sent yesterday after I voted for Rip. Paul Hi harriet. The town block and I have noticed you are just repeating a lot of Seamus's arguments. What's going on with that? Harriet Well, looking back through my posts I suppose I have been parroting a bit. I think he's made some good arguments and I agree with them. Paul Alright, thanks Minga guesses it is you who is lying. What you have posted backs up what Paul said in the (former) town block PM. You're trying to make us suspect Paul by saying that he told you that the Town Block told him to message you. Ping.
Dannylonglegs Posted September 18, 2015 Author Posted September 18, 2015 (edited) Vote update: Diamond Dodd (CallmePie): 9 votes (Mediumsnowman, Hinckley, Lind Whisperer, TinyPiesRUs, Dragonfire, Bob, Mostlytechnic, PirateDave84, Ranger of the Forest) Nonvoting: 2: Sir Stig, CallmePie With 11 players, it takes 6 to lynch. If the vote is unanimous, I will end the day early. Currently the day will end in about 31 hours. Edited September 18, 2015 by Dannylonglegs
mediumsnowman Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Sorry if there's any confusion. I didn't think much of it; but the way he worded made it sound like the town block wanted to know, not just him, and he was the messenger. Also, what would I have to gain by lying?
Hinckley Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Edited for emphasis. Did you not read Minga's PM saying that we're trying to trick the scum into believing a certain person or people is/are the cop? I have a question. Would the correct response to this be to PM people speculating about the identity of the investigator and then press you publicly to reveal an investigation result? Is that the Townie thing to do, Minga? Should everyone have tried pushing you into revealing the NA results to prove their towniness? Is fishing a town tell? Thanks in advance.
Hinckley Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Whoa, dudes, do you smell that? It's boggin' awful? What is that? But I suspect an issue we're running into is that "newer" players (such as myself and many others) and older players (like Seamus) do things differently. And so things that we say that make sense to us come across as "oh look a scummo!!!!%#@~!" to others. Oh, it's horse shit! How'd that get out here in space with us? So, I'd love to explore this more now. How does the new class of players handle information differently? Like Scum? This might be even Scummier than Paul if that were possible. So the new class of players learned to watch themselves to find blockers ( sic) and other "friends" right when we're about to lose. Did I miss the lesson in Aperture Academy where the Town should actually play for the Scum? That when the Town block leader asks for time to reveal the results you push and push and push and accuse them of being incompetent Town and Scum at the same time. Then fish for the identities of the PRs to really look Scummy? And then keep fishing. And the do some more fishing and then for a change of pace...fish? So the new "generation" of players are all megablocks? Is that what you're saying. I'd love to hear your actual validation for this. Oh, let's just shrug off old man Hinck's suspicions. He played Mafia on an 8–track dancing the jitterbug. They didn't even have "tl;dr" back then, can you imagine. So... sure, I'll go back through today and find whatever you asked me that I didn't respond to, and I'll even look at paul. Although I have to say, I don't have a ton of faith in Seamus' scum-dar. He's looking at me (a definite townie) and Paul (I've got him just slightly townie so far) as the lead scum suspects. And more importantly, everyone he's voted for so far has turned up townie! Granted, that applies to a bunch of people here, but still... I'm curious to hear more how I've lynched all Townies...just like everyone else...so why bring it up...and then pretend not to.
mediumsnowman Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Where's Stig in all of this? Has he even logged in yet? I'd be interested to hear his take on the situation and the break in his code.
Hinckley Posted September 19, 2015 Posted September 19, 2015 Paul was here and he was posting and now he's gone and he didn't post. It's like somebody stole Christmas.
mostlytechnic Posted September 19, 2015 Posted September 19, 2015 Whoa, dudes, do you smell that? It's boggin' awful? What is that? Oh, it's horse shit! How'd that get out here in space with us? Dude, settle down and take a breath. Just be willing to consider that your set of scumtells and townie/scummo actions are not 100% set in stone and some people think differently than you. For example, I learned long ago that no one on EB will even think about the possibility of a no-lynch day 1 because there's just SO MUCH INFO to learn from the voting. Except wait, you'd still learn the same info even if it ended in a split vote and therefore no one got lynched. And despite the fact that when I brought it up many games ago I had data where someone on another site had done studies of the past games and found that no lynch day 1 INCREASED the odds of a town win. But no, people here won't even think about that because that's just not how it's done here, and so suggesting it is scummy. Even though it makes total TOWN sense. Oh I'm sorry that on a Friday evening I might need to get home from work, have dinner with my family, and get the kids in bed before I spend a bunch of time going over 7 pages of the thread. I'm curious to hear more how I've lynched all Townies...just like everyone else...so why bring it up...and then pretend not to. I brought it up to remind you that your scumdar isn't 100% truth like you think it is. So far your votes have been 100% wrong. So have many other people's. But then you are absolutely convinced that I'm scum and Paul's scum (and maybe he is, I don't know, I just know I'm not). But slow down and look at other possibilities. Like the possibility that I've told the truth this whole game, I really am the town vig and have done what I could to help the town and my motivation in everything I've said is to help the town win. Has that possibility even crossed your mind?
Hinckley Posted September 19, 2015 Posted September 19, 2015 SNIP "Oh that Paul, I tell you, why that Paul, he is a Super Townie, I tell you, I tell you. But those old crows just can't see it. Those crotchety bags of bone with their old Mafia ways. Why Paul is a new Mafia hero! Too bad those old fuddy–duddies give poor, innocent Paul, poor misunderstood Town hero Paul such a hard time. Why, they just won't stop picking on the best Townie that ever was, Paul. My name is 4 of 2 and I defend Paul...with horseshit."
mostlytechnic Posted September 19, 2015 Posted September 19, 2015 Sir Seamus, since you're so demanding and I'm not sure what questions you want me to answer, I'm just going through all of the day and finding anything I might not have answered enough for you. I still feel that 4 of 2 could be the Scum killer and it would be easy for him to promise, as "vig", to stay home but enough about life in my tunnel. I hope the Town block was able to get some information last night. Yep, if I had any way to know the vig was dead and that I could make such a claim. So since we know the vig was alive night 2 to make a kill... the only way it would have worked would be for one of the townies killed night 2 to have been the vig. Meaning IF I was scum, it'd have been a VERY risky role to claim since we KNOW KNOW KNOW the vig was alive going into night 2. So face it, the logical conclusion from me claiming vig is that I AM THE VIG. And therefore I'm town. 4 of 2, didn't you tell us you were given the key? Which would've been "confirmation page..." So, why would you agree with his analysis? {stuff deleted that wasn't to me} So, 4 of 2, why would you say "Nice analysis" if you know what Nathan thinks Bock was given was actually part of what you were given. I never said that was my part of the code, you were totally confused for quite a while because you wouldn't slow down and read before spewing your latest theories. And I never said "nice analysis" to Nathan. I said THANKS for the analysis and that I was going to check some things, which I did, and quickly came back and shot his analysis full of holes. Because I took a few minutes to think before I said more. Was it hard to remember what part of the code you were given? Nope, I'm not the one who said I'd gotten different parts of the code in different posts I'd made, that was YOU who couldn't keep straight what part you had. Ok, that's page 1 and 2 of the day. On to day 3! Be right back...
Hinckley Posted September 19, 2015 Posted September 19, 2015 Ok, that's page 1 and 2 of the day. On to day 3! Be right back... Gee, it seems like you're copping a little attitude. Sheesh. You probably mean page 3. None of these are the questions I asked you about how you could possibly not find Paul Scummy, but it's nice to see the thread spammed up with all of my questions repeated.
mostlytechnic Posted September 19, 2015 Posted September 19, 2015 Weird that Bock and 4 of 2 seem so interested in who was blocked. If the Scum know who was blocked then they'd know if their target was protected or not. Wouldn't the Scum just love to know what went wrong with their kill last night? If we were scum, why would we care who was blocked? Calling for who was blocked would be calling for the scum killer to be revealed, not something the scum would want. And I never asked for WHO the blocker or protector are, so not like I was trying to learn PRs. I specifically wanted to know (and still do, since the block has gotten quiet after giving us one scum name... that's fine for today, but if the investigator doesn't turn up another scum tomorrow, we will NEED to know who was blocked!) who was blocked since they are very very very likely to be scum. Period. Isn't that the definition of being townie? They don't have it all solved. You're Scummy, Paul is the definition of Scummy. The very basis of your mass claim is that you and Paul are fully trusted and you aren't. So, a mass claim doesn't work. And what gives you any indication that the Town block "has it all solved"? Don't try to bully information out of them. It's Scummier than everything else you've done. Oh, you mean the whole list of statements from Minga that Paul already gave you from this? Where Minga pretty much said that it's got all the info of who is town and who is scum? When I look at it through my "Paul and 4 of 2 are Scum" blinders, it looks like they have a tendency to be on the same strategy. Either follow Diamond, the obvious brains of the operation or vote randomly for Hannah in one case and me in another, both for weak reasoning. If this is anything to go by, I now suspect Bock, Nathan...Paul and 4 of 2! I bet you were surprised by that last part. It sure would've been smart for the Scum to kill me yesterday if I was wrong about those two. I've been so wrong and stuck in a tunnel on Paul and 4 of 2 that killing me would've incriminated them. But the Scum only would've done that if I was wrong. Day One and Day Three are almost looking like there is no Scum on one bandwagon...unlike what 4 of 2 keeps trying to tell us...almost like one of their strategies was "Everyone hop on the same wagon because Scum never does that!" Yes, you do have blinders on about me. You know what blinders do? They keep horses from SEEING THE REALITY AROUND THEM. And I already explained how the very best thing the scum have done is let you live, so that you can continue misleading the town with your constant focus and attacks on me. And I also already addressed the scum on both bandwagon thing - with both the fact that Zipzop is potential scum and on the wagon in question, and the other day by presenting FACTUAL DATA from multiple games here that the scum DO always split their vote. It's the closest thing we've got to actual data to find scum. I haven't seen you do any analysis that in-depth about any of your supposed scum-tells... Even if I'm wrong on you, which is much more likely than being wrong on Paul, you're OK with him contradicting himself with not trusting/pressing Minga for NA results? You're OK with him fishing for the id of the investigator? You're OK with his Scummy posts and senseless votes and the weird things he's said and how he's given different reason for voting me and voting Dr. Wen and admitting he sheeped the vote and admitted to being Scummy and not town–like? You're OK with him watching himself which defies all Town logic but makes perfect Scum sense? You're OK with all of that? Ah, I'm guessing THIS is the questions you torqued that I haven't answered. Well, maybe if you'd quit badgering me and screaming over and over that I'm scum, I'd have time to look at Paul more critically rather than defending myself. The only defense I've done of Paul is when it's been directly related to me and come up in that context. But frankly, YES, I'm ok with him pushing Minga in the day thread for results. It's initial posts sure seemed to say that it knew who scum were and we both were impatiently waiting for some answers. We've wasted so much time this game debating codes and players on the ledge and other crap that having some actual night results sounded like a massive relief, so then when Minga kept dancing rather than saying (like it FINALLY did) that it was still waiting for the investigator's result, it felt very off. As for fishing for the investigator? Dunno, I'll have to go reread that section before making a conclusion. His scummy posts have been more scummy in your eyes than anyone else's. No, he hasn't handled everything the best, but you've been pounding him like you have me, so I know how he feels and how easy it is to get frustrated and flustered and do dumb things. I'm not going to lynch someone for that. Yes, his targeting himself last night was a dumb move. So what? It's not like that's the lie a scum would tell, because he had to assume someone WOULD target him in some fashion last night, so if he was lying about his role, that wouldn't be a smart lie to make. So he either did a dumb PR action as a townie, or he made a dumb lie as a scum. I think the former makes more sense. Scum have someone on their side helping them make GOOD plans. Gee, it seems like you're copping a little attitude. Sheesh. You probably mean page 3. None of these are the questions I asked you about how you could possibly not find Paul Scummy, but it's nice to see the thread spammed up with all of my questions repeated. Yes, I obviously meant page 3. and you know, Randy, when you scream ALL THE TIME people start to tune you out and not listen anymore. And you've repeatedly asked questions over and over that have been answered, so I figured it was easier to answer everything than to figure out which of your bazillion questions you were talking about. So yes, I am copping a bit of an attitude.
Bob Posted September 19, 2015 Posted September 19, 2015 Still find Bock suspicious, if anyone was wondering... Your fixation on me is extremely worrying. I'm surprised that you didn't vote for me instead of Dodd, since you seem so lazer focused on the idea that I'm scum. Even when I'm revealed as town, whether it be by my death or in the conclusion, I have a feeling that you're still going to insist I'm scum. Whoa, dudes, do you smell that? It's boggin' awful? What is that? Oh, it's horse shit! How'd that get out here in space with us? So, I'd love to explore this more now. How does the new class of players handle information differently? Like Scum? This might be even Scummier than Paul if that were possible. So the new class of players learned to watch themselves to find blockers ( sic) and other "friends" right when we're about to lose. Did I miss the lesson in Aperture Academy where the Town should actually play for the Scum? That when the Town block leader asks for time to reveal the results you push and push and push and accuse them of being incompetent Town and Scum at the same time. Then fish for the identities of the PRs to really look Scummy? And then keep fishing. And the do some more fishing and then for a change of pace...fish? So the new "generation" of players are all megablocks? Is that what you're saying. I'd love to hear your actual validation for this. Oh, let's just shrug off old man Hinck's suspicions. He played Mafia on an 8–track dancing the jitterbug. They didn't even have "tl;dr" back then, can you imagine. Going to have to agree here, and not because I'm biased in anyway (I was forced to write out my vote longhand and mail it into the host while dancing the jitterbug with Old Man Hinck) Just because you're new players doesn't mean that a scumtell is any different. I've played with almost all of you before, on both teams, even hosted games where some of you played. Just because you're a quote unquote "new generation of player" doesn't mean that the people who've been playing here for ages can't pick up when someone is being scummy. Yes, it's possible that Paul is being incredibly stupid, but it's not his first game. I know in the past he's sometimes played Mafia drunk, but he's not stupid enough as town to act this way. It goes back to the phrase "scum or dumb." Why would he lie openly and publicly about fake results and conversations just so people view Seamus as the serial killer? What is that even supposed to accomplish today? We've already been given a scum to lynch today, does he expect us to all unvote Dodd to vote for Seamus since "he's the serial killer?" I'm not trying to defend Seamus here. For all I know, he could be the serial killer or scum. I just find it incredibly scummy and suspicious that Paul is acting this way. If he looks like scum, acts like scum, and sounds like scum, chances are he's probably scum.
Dannylonglegs Posted September 19, 2015 Author Posted September 19, 2015 Minga decided to take a mid-day nap in her room... little did she know a dark figure had followed her... The dark figure crept to the foot of the bed... and tucked her in. Then, they sat beside her bed and read her a bedtime story... But... Once Minga had dozed off to dreamland.... The figure tickled her awake! Then they punched her in the face! ____________________________ Meanwhile, Danny Longlegs was still looking for where all the chairs had gone in the labyrinthine facility. "All these hallways and rooms look the same! It's like they're the same set-piece!" He grumbled. "Here, I know that I put something in this room." "Oops! Wrong room!" "Well, at least he didn't kill me." The resin-coated resident of the room reassured herself.
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