Some Rude Moderators?

[Hinckley]

3 minutes ago, Catanas said:

As part of the phrase, Okey-Dokey, it is! And Okay(Not okey) Dokey doesn't have the same ring to it. :(

Right, so saying Okey without Dokey is nonsensical.

What did I just say about me being petty...

Oh, was it replacing it even when you were saying "Okey–Dokey?" Because I say that full phrase all the time. I got it from my Dad who used to always say "Okey–Dokey Smokey!" I don't know why I was Smokey, but hey... But yes, if it was stopping you from doing that, then I fully concur with removing it from the profanity filter. The user I did it for was only saying "Okey" with no "Dokey."

[VaderFan2187]

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Edited April 15, 2017 by VaderFan2187

[Hinckley]

28 minutes ago, VaderFan2187 said:

Also, why is it then when I get put into the chamber, I get asked a ton of questions? Like "Why are you here? What did you do? Do you know what you did wrong?"

I mean, whoa, I didn't put myself into the chamber. 

That is the style of the person who put you in there. In my opinion, it gives a certain amount of power to you, since you can start off the conversation with some introspection. And it gives us a good idea of a person's character how they choose to move forward from that point.

[VaderFan2187]

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Edited April 15, 2017 by VaderFan2187

[Jedi-Bendu]

19 hours ago, Hinckley said:

That is the style of the person who put you in there. In my opinion, it gives a certain amount of power to you, since you can start off the conversation with some introspection. And it gives us a good idea of a person's character how they choose to move forward from that point.

 

Come.on. So, if a member goes offtopic he/she goes to the chamber, but when a mod is acting like described by VaderFan (and me) then that's his style.

Tell me I'm being pranked. Where's the hidden camera?

17 hours ago, VaderFan2187 said:

Well, that person kinda sounds like he's trying to be my mom. It can come across as condescending when read as just text.

Exactly.

19 hours ago, Hinckley said:

All your questions are subjective. I find no point in answering them as you appear to be having a tantrum. Good luck to you as well.

 

Ah, I have a tantrum now. Not answering the question seems like taking the easy way to me.

Edited January 10, 2017 by Jedi-Bendu
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[VaderFan2187]

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Edited January 30, 2017 by VaderFan2187

[Captain Britain]

14 minutes ago, VaderFan2187 said:

What if someone's style is to go offtopic?

Come on now, thats a ridiculous post. You want the mods to take you seriously but you give them answers like that..

I agree sometimes it seems like the mods can come across quite strong but as a whole I think this forum works excellently, and in the cases I've contacted mods myself they've been extremely helpful.

I have to admit though, sometimes I see some of your posts and they seem like you are trying to troll a little, or at least cause a stir for fun.

At the end of the day we're here to enjoy one thing, Lego! So let's just all try and get along eh? 

Edited January 12, 2017 by Captain Britain

[VaderFan2187]

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Edited April 15, 2017 by VaderFan2187

[Hinckley]

3 hours ago, VaderFan2187 said:

So (of course it's not meant to be serious) I asked "what if a person's style is going offtopic?" I don't mean to justify going offtopic, it's just that I don't think the "person's style" excuse is valid.

Let's be 100% clear. I am not making any excuses for any staff member and I do not have to answer any of these questions. That is the point of this thread. There doesn't have to be a place to feed back to the staff about your experiences and we do not owe anybody any explanation on anything. This is a private site, it is privately owned and operated. We reserve the right to refuse membership to any person for any reason. We don't behave in that way, we don't abuse that power, but it's perfectly within our rights to do so. We have this topic and the account suspension because we care about this community and making sure that every member can enjoy the site equally and that every member has the opportunity to be heard if a problem arises or if a Site Guideline is violated. We do it because we have found, in our thousands of volunteer hours that it is the most fair way to handle it for you, our members.

Going off–topic is against the Site Guidelines. It is not a style. Or, if it is, that doesn't matter as you, @VaderFan2187, agreed to the Site Guidelines when you became a member. It is also against the Site Guidelines to continue to give the staff a hard time. You went off–topic. A staff member corrected you. It is his right to do so in any style he chooses as long as he is not abusive. We do not and will not have Guidelines on how the staff interacts with people whose accounts are suspended. Staff members are here because we trust them and they've put the work in. We know they don't abuse their staff powers, that's why put them in their positions, we trust them. If they ever did abuse their powers, we have the Chamber sub–forum so that the entire staff has oversight and would know and would remove that person from staff. We won't be developing Guidelines to be nice to every member or try to please every person who feels hurt or complains. Not everyone gets a trophy for participating. When you break the Site Guidelines, this is what happens. You broke the Site Guidelines and now you want to complain because a staff member asked you questions instead of making statements? That sounds immature and ridiculous to me.

I don't care what your sense of humor is, your behavior is coming off as trolling and if you continue to troll the staff regarding this topic, you've already stepped way over the line, I will personally ban you myself. We don't need ungrateful, abusive members in this community.

[VaderFan2187]

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Edited April 15, 2017 by VaderFan2187

[Artanis I]

No, it is practically unsafe for you to be (or appear to be) a troll in this thread

Edited January 13, 2017 by Artanis I

[samurai-turtle]

14 minutes ago, VaderFan2187 said:

So it is practically unsafe for me to post any complaints in this thread?

From what I have been seeing from you. You have been coming off just being a "female dog". My advice to you is just take a vontary break and let everyone (including yourself) cool off. Of course it would not surprise me if you continue with this attitude and then get banned. 

[VaderFan2187]

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Edited April 15, 2017 by VaderFan2187

[Duncan Young]

With respect- the title says Rude Moderators- to discuss instances of moderators who may very well be abusing their power. However what I am instead seeing are Mods waiting until someone criticises them and then tearing them a new one for thinking so. If this forums Mods can't even take some criticism without arguing with the person criticising them then I'll have to decide if this site is the one right for me. May I remind you this whole arguement started because Jedi_Bendu complained about Stash only for the rest of the Mods to rush in to defend him. Now it has devolved to some sort of pissing contest. The community is made special by each member talking like in a community without the overbearing Mods censoring them. This will be my last post in a while, I wish you all the best and hope you find away to put your differences aside

[Jedi-Bendu]

6 hours ago, Hinckley said:

We don't behave in that way, we don't abuse that power, but it's perfectly within our rights to do so.

 

speechless. You don't abuse power....but when you do: hey, that's perfect!

38 minutes ago, Duncan Young said:

May I remind you this whole arguement started because Jedi_Bendu complained about Stash only for the rest of the Mods to rush in to defend him.

Thank you. Critique is waved away. Glad others have noticed that too.

 

[Bob De Quatre]

So what is the answer you wanted to hear? "Oh, we're shocked! We'll slap Stash on the wrist and tell him to never do it again!"?

 

16 minutes ago, Jedi-Bendu said:

 

1 hour ago, Duncan Young said:

May I remind you this whole arguement started because Jedi_Bendu complained about Stash only for the rest of the Mods to rush in to defend him.

Thank you. Critique is waved away. Glad others have noticed that too.

 

What you're saying is that a "Ok, critique is duly noted and we'll consider it." answer would have solved everything? 

And yes, when a member of the staff says or does something (that isn't completely absurd), the rest of the staff supports him. That's what we do in a team.

 

For the record, we've all seen what was told in the chamber, we've all read your complaint, and it's been noted. And we had a discussion on how to handle things better in the chamber (personally I'm not fond of how the chamber works right now, but it's the best we can do at the moment). Honestly, what do you want more so that we could all go on, both you and the staff?

[VaderFan2187]

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Edited April 15, 2017 by VaderFan2187

[Hinckley]

7 hours ago, Jedi-Bendu said:

speechless. You don't abuse power....but when you do: hey, that's perfect!

Thank you. Critique is waved away. Glad others have noticed that too.

When you tell someone "Good luck" that indicates that you are leaving. But you continue to come back to this thread. Why? You continuously attack the answers you are given, even taking them out of context or missing the point of the statement for the way it was stated. You will never be happy after being suspended for a day for violating one of our Site Guidelines.

@Jedi-Bendu & @VaderFan2187, you both were suspended for going off–topic. That is a violation of the Site Guidelines. So, that is on you. You brought concerns here and we have tried our best to answer them. I, personally, have invested a good deal of time in trying to explain to you why we operate the way we do but you don't seem to be able to accept anything that would cause you to be introspective. Everything is someone else's fault, never your own. No matter what anyone has responded to you in this topic, you attack that person or the idea presented. 

VaderFan, you even admit that your "sense of humor" can come off as trolling, but act offended when it does come off that way. So, maybe your sense of humor doesn't come off online the way it does in real life, but then you need to realize when it does, that it's on you to communicate better, not on the recipient of the communication to receive it better. I am also this way. But I have never persisted on forcing my personality forward over communication. You control your actions only so it's on you to realize when your communication is coming off as aggressive or abusive and take steps to repair communication when it does.

Judging by the way you have both reacted to being corrected one time and then quickly reinstated to full membership, you are not positive contributors to the site and I would have no problem banning either one of you and I don't care if other members think that is unfair. I've seen this type of behavior countless times before and I think you're going to cause our staff a lot of work and stress and it's not worth it for us to keep you here where, when you're not arguing with us, you'll take your attitude and misplaced sense of entitlement to other members.

To all of our members, I understand that this might be tedious to watch staff argue with members. This is another reason we like to deal with these things in a private one–on–one setting. People who continuously cause problems and violate Site Guidelines usually thrive with an audience and public communication is not normally conducive to solving such problems. Most members, in my experience, are friendly and helpful and interested in contributing to a positive community atmosphere. As I've said countless times, we want everyone to have fun and enjoy this community. We don't like having to correct people or suspend accounts but after over 10 years of experience doing this, we have found this is the best way to handle such problems. And we are evolving all the time. That's one of the many reasons that this thread exists. And I believe you can see our interaction with members here and our willingness to listen and over the years have taken in a lot of feedback and altered the way we do things based on interaction with the community.

We would not be where we are without all of you and we care a lot about listening to your concerns and about making all aspects of this site the best they can be for the people who use them and believe in this site as a positive part of the LEGO fan community.

So, please, don't be afraid to voice your concerns or feedback here. If you look at this recent interaction, it is negative, yes. The negativity comes from the way an issue is approached. I want to hear everyone's concerns but if you can't have a civil conversation after days of us trying to be reasonable then it's not going to go well. We want criticism but I won't let the staff be abused. There's a difference between voicing a concern about our staff and spending days abusing us and proving you have no interest in conversing, but only bashing the staff.

[Dharkan]

I didn't really like being asked, "do you know what you've done?" either. Feels like I've eaten all the chocolate in the fridge.

[Shadows]

14 hours ago, Dharkan said:

I didn't really like being asked, "do you know what you've done?" either. Feels like I've eaten all the chocolate in the fridge.

Well, if you've eaten all the chocolate when you weren't supposed to, acknowledging what you've done and that you're aware it was wrong is a good place to start. Apply that to the current setting, and it's the same principle, it is a way to determine whether or not you realise what you've done wrong. If you do, it makes the process go more quickly, and if you don't, it prompts us to explain the problem to you. Either way, you should have been aware, since it will be an issue outlined in the site guidelines, but this first step helps clarify that matter.

If you take it as offensive, it's a clear sign that you were behaving in a way that you know you should be ashamed of, which is exactly the kind of guilt reaction that your example represents. Something to think about.

Something to remember, and it may have been said by someone else previously, but it's worth repeating if so. We aren't here to spoil your fun, we're here to maintain order so that everyone can enjoy their time here, be informed, and experience everything the site has to offer. A very small number of people will, intentionally or not, do things that can ruin that for others. We're going to stop that from happening, for the good of the members who do behave in a respectful and mature manner while here.

[VaderFan2187]

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Edited April 15, 2017 by VaderFan2187

[Duncan Young]

Thanks you moderators, I appreciate the hard work that it must take running something like Eurobricks and know how things that are written can turn out different then perhaps were originally intended. Apologies if I came off sounding inappropriate in any way, I would regret soilling a relationship like this. Now back to set discussion. The Lego sets so far this year look stellar I have to say. Whoops! Off topic! 

Edited January 20, 2017 by Duncan Young

[VaderFan2187]

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[VaderFan2187]

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[Tariq j]

I think maybe that even though you personally, view it as overposting, mods and others may view it as you trying to get the highest rank possible by posting excessively.