Actor Builder Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 (Takes off Football Helmet) Yo yo! It's ya main man Anthony fillin' in for Jimmy, fillin' in for Cath'! I just got in here, but lemme tell ya, I looked over the past few days and we're just about runnin' on nothin' if you ask me. Right now I'm gonna go for a quick revenge vote against Dez, for his accusation that I haven't offered much. Bro, I just got here. Cut me some slack. VOTE: DEZ HUNTER (Forresto) There. That'll do something. Sorry Dez. I've gotta let some steam out and it was either this or straight up tackle you...
Forresto Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 I am tired of voting and people coming out the woodwork to accuse me when they rarely do that to other people. What have I done that is so suspicious? 8 hours ago, fhomess said: This is par for the course with Dez. Unfortunately, he's going to have both Cathy AND Jimmy's baggage to carry around. Again what is that actually supposed to mean? You continue to hound me but give no substance to you accusations. If anything happens to me I want ya'll to remember Harry Oldman. Don't equalize either because I didnt start this with him, but I will defend myself. 8 hours ago, jluck said: Hmmm... maybe you didn’t read the turn of events carefully enough. Anthony has been a member of this jury for all of an hour so far. He shares the same role as Jimmy and I had planned to vote for Jimmy. It's not my fault there was a change of hands with the character. [Aren't we supposed to role play like @Actor Builder was here the whole time instead of Steamdemon? It's not my fault that happened so i'm sorry I'm voting for someone who technically just got here, but I suspected Jimmy]
jluck Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 39 minutes ago, Forresto said: (snip) Don't equalize either because I didnt start this with him, but I will defend myself. He shares the same role as Jimmy and I had planned to vote for Jimmy. It's not my fault there was a change of hands with the character. [Aren't we supposed to role play like @Actor Builder was here the whole time instead of Steamdemon? It's not my fault that happened so i'm sorry I'm voting for someone who technically just got here, but I suspected Jimmy] I see what your saying. I originally read it as you were calling out Anthony for not being active, not the character in general.
Kintobor Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 7 hours ago, Tariq j said: I actually noticed this earlier on in the day, but it was late and never got a chance to comment on it, you called out a ton of people for not voting but didn't place a vote yourself. It was like you were waiting for a good vote which you could then bandwagon on. I was trying to get people to stop discussing a course of action that ultimately leads nowhere and place it back onto a more productive path. Asking someone who they're going to vote for is far more productive than "I believe X, Y, and Z happened last night". And what do you mean I didn't place a vote myself? I voted for Tony.
jluck Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 Judging from the current state of things, are we going to build enough momentum on a vote? We don't have much time left so I'm curious if people are truly comfortable with two days with no conviction.
Trekkie99 Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 20 minutes ago, jluck said: Judging from the current state of things, are we going to build enough momentum on a vote? We don't have much time left so I'm curious if people are truly comfortable with two days with no conviction. I'm not comfortable with no lynch. I know it feels like day one, but it's day two. And something's gotta happen.
fhomess Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 By my count, this is where we currently stand: 5 - Anthony (Actor Builder) - Khscarymovie4, Tariq j, jluck, KotZ, Forresto 3 - Tony (jluck) - Lady K, Kintober, LegoMonorailFan 1 - Stephanie (Lady K) - Kwatchi 1 - Alan (KotZ) - fhomess Nonvoting: Tina, Anthony I, too, would rather have a lynch than none. Between the two front runners, I'm going to cast my vote away from the direction that Alan voted in, as I don't have a particularly stronger feel for either. Unvote: Alan (KotZ) Vote: Tony (jluck) Sorry... meant to mention that I wasn't sure if Anthony's vote would count due to it not being bolded. Our judge may miss that.
Forresto Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 Well that leaves us nearly at a split decision then I suppose. Much like a swing state Tina's vote is all the more significant.
Lady K Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 2 hours ago, jluck said: Judging from the current state of things, are we going to build enough momentum on a vote? We don't have much time left so I'm curious if people are truly comfortable with two days with no conviction. We need a lynch as it is Day 2. 2 hours ago, LegoMonorailFan said: I'm not comfortable with no lynch. I know it feels like day one, but it's day two. And something's gotta happen. Day 2, we have enough to go on to see that the crime family is manipulating the loyal jury members by pushing a lynch they want to see happen and leading the town in the wrong direction. Just look back at all the conversations from Day 1 and so far on Day 2. 28 minutes ago, Forresto said: Well that leaves us nearly at a split decision then I suppose. Much like a swing state Tina's vote is all the more significant. We can't count on Tina's vote. Tina still hasn't been around since Tues at 5:35pm. 32 minutes ago, fhomess said: By my count, this is where we currently stand: 5 - Anthony (Actor Builder) - Khscarymovie4, Tariq j, jluck, KotZ, Forresto 3 - Tony (jluck) - Lady K, Kintober, LegoMonorailFan 1 - Stephanie (Lady K) - Kwatchi 1 - Alan (KotZ) - fhomess Nonvoting: Tina, Anthony I, too, would rather have a lynch than none. Between the two front runners, I'm going to cast my vote away from the direction that Alan voted in, as I don't have a particularly stronger feel for either. Unvote: Alan (KotZ) Vote: Tony (jluck) Sorry... meant to mention that I wasn't sure if Anthony's vote would count due to it not being bolded. Our judge may miss that. I am not comfortable with the band wagon on Cathy/Jimmy/Anthony. I feel strongly that its is one or more crime family members trying to lynch first time jury members and leading the town astray. 9 hours ago, Actor Builder said: (Takes off Football Helmet) Yo yo! It's ya main man Anthony fillin' in for Jimmy, fillin' in for Cath'! I just got in here, but lemme tell ya, I looked over the past few days and we're just about runnin' on nothin' if you ask me. Right now I'm gonna go for a quick revenge vote against Dez, for his accusation that I haven't offered much. Bro, I just got here. Cut me some slack. VOTE: DEZ HUNTER (Forresto) There. That'll do something. Sorry Dez. I've gotta let some steam out and it was either this or straight up tackle you... Don't delay in a real vote; a revenge vote does nothing to help the jury find the crime family members and lynch them. I would like to point out for all to see who the two initiators on the Cathy/Jimmy/Anthony bandwagon are: Day 1: Tony then the third vote was Amanda Day 2: Amanda then the third vote was Tony How many experienced jury members remember their first few times on jury duty? Did none of you make the same or similar mistakes as Cathy and Jimmy? I will re-state what I said before; I can't believe that the more experienced crime family members let the new crime family members act so obviously scummy as to be the target of a lynch for two days. They would have been coached so as not to draw blatant attention to themselves. We need a solid lynch for today and I believe Tony is the logical choice. Day1: Final Vote Count: 4 votes for Harry Oldman (fhomess): Tariq j, LegoMonorailFan, Umbra-Manis, Forresto 3 votes for Clifford Schauer (LegoMonorailFan): KotZ, Drunknok, Lady K 3 votes for Cathy Bridger (Drunknok): jluck, Kintober, Khscarymovie4 1 vote for Stephanie Diaz (Lady K): Kwatchi 1 vote for Dez Hunter (Forresto): Fhomess Nonvoting (0): For those of you who just jumped on the Cathy/Jimmy/Anthony bandwagon, think about what I have said. You may very well be lynching a loyal jury member.
Tariq j Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 3 hours ago, Kintobor said: I was trying to get people to stop discussing a course of action that ultimately leads nowhere and place it back onto a more productive path. Asking someone who they're going to vote for is far more productive than "I believe X, Y, and Z happened last night". And what do you mean I didn't place a vote myself? I voted for Tony. Fair enough. The reason why I called you out was because at the time of posting what you said, you hadn't specified who you personally wanted to vote for, but had asked a ton of members who they were going to vote for.
jluck Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 29 minutes ago, Lady K said: We need a lynch as it is Day 2. Day 2, we have enough to go on to see that the crime family is manipulating the loyal jury members by pushing a lynch they want to see happen and leading the town in the wrong direction. Just look back at all the conversations from Day 1 and so far on Day 2. We can't count on Tina's vote. Tina still hasn't been around since Tues at 5:35pm. I am not comfortable with the band wagon on Cathy/Jimmy/Anthony. I feel strongly that its is one or more crime family members trying to lynch first time jury members and leading the town astray. Don't delay in a real vote; a revenge vote does nothing to help the jury find the crime family members and lynch them. I would like to point out for all to see who the two initiators on the Cathy/Jimmy/Anthony bandwagon are: Day 1: Tony then the third vote was Amanda Day 2: Amanda then the third vote was Tony How many experienced jury members remember their first few times on jury duty? Did none of you make the same or similar mistakes as Cathy and Jimmy? I will re-state what I said before; I can't believe that the more experienced crime family members let the new crime family members act so obviously scummy as to be the target of a lynch for two days. They would have been coached so as not to draw blatant attention to themselves. We need a solid lynch for today and I believe Tony is the logical choice. Day1: Final Vote Count: 4 votes for Harry Oldman (fhomess): Tariq j, LegoMonorailFan, Umbra-Manis, Forresto 3 votes for Clifford Schauer (LegoMonorailFan): KotZ, Drunknok, Lady K 3 votes for Cathy Bridger (Drunknok): jluck, Kintober, Khscarymovie4 1 vote for Stephanie Diaz (Lady K): Kwatchi 1 vote for Dez Hunter (Forresto): Fhomess Nonvoting (0): For those of you who just jumped on the Cathy/Jimmy/Anthony bandwagon, think about what I have said. You may very well be lynching a loyal jury member. I find it funny that you keep stating that the scum are bandwagoning Anthony when he has around the same amount of votes as I do. Seems just as logical that the scum are bandwagoning me. The problem is, Stephanie, that your putting all your eggs in one basket. You've built your entire assumption of what's happening on me. If you lynch me, what'll happen tomorrow? Who are you going to railroad when you see I'm innocent? You're a powerful voice and you've used that to steer the conservation for the entire day. Not only does it shape the entire day through your lens, it keeps you standing clean. If others choose to follow you down this road and I'm gone tomorrow I hope everyone wakes up and thinks for themselves. Also, you said this: I would like to point out for all to see who the two initiators on the Cathy/Jimmy/Anthony bandwagon are: Day 1: Tony then the third vote was Amanda Day 2: Amanda then the third vote was Tony It seems your a bit blinded in your witchhunt to push this as a reason for lynching me. Anyone who has played as scum knows no one ever structures their votes in such a way. This would indicate I told Amanda "Today, I'll vote for Cathy and you come in 3rd and tomorrow will switch. That'll get em!" I've been consistent with my vote from the beginning. I imagine the experienced Anthony could construct a compelling argument as to why I shouldn't vote for him, but so far he's done nothing but an empty, nonformatted, revenge vote. That wasn't enough to convince me. 34 minutes ago, Lady K said: (snip) For those of you who just jumped on the Cathy/Jimmy/Anthony bandwagon, think about what I have said. You may very well be lynching a loyal jury member. So should we instead follow you blindly and lynch an actual loyal jury member as opposed to the 3 person character that is yet to add any value?
Lady K Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 21 minutes ago, jluck said: I find it funny that you keep stating that the scum are bandwagoning Anthony when he has around the same amount of votes as I do. Seems just as logical that the scum are bandwagoning me. The problem is, Stephanie, that your putting all your eggs in one basket. You've built your entire assumption of what's happening on me. If you lynch me, what'll happen tomorrow? Who are you going to railroad when you see I'm innocent? You're a powerful voice and you've used that to steer the conservation for the entire day. Not only does it shape the entire day through your lens, it keeps you standing clean. If others choose to follow you down this road and I'm gone tomorrow I hope everyone wakes up and thinks for themselves. Also, you said this: I would like to point out for all to see who the two initiators on the Cathy/Jimmy/Anthony bandwagon are: Day 1: Tony then the third vote was Amanda Day 2: Amanda then the third vote was Tony It seems your a bit blinded in your witchhunt to push this as a reason for lynching me. Anyone who has played as scum knows no one ever structures their votes in such a way. This would indicate I told Amanda "Today, I'll vote for Cathy and you come in 3rd and tomorrow will switch. That'll get em!" I've been consistent with my vote from the beginning. I imagine the experienced Anthony could construct a compelling argument as to why I shouldn't vote for him, but so far he's done nothing but an empty, nonformatted, revenge vote. That wasn't enough to convince me. So should we instead follow you blindly and lynch an actual loyal jury member as opposed to the 3 person character that is yet to add any value? All my eggs are not in one basket; by the numbers there are 3-4 crime family members amongst us. You and Amanda seem very keen on getting rid on someone who, if town, has a vote to help the town. You were a new jury member once yourself, as was I at the same time, do you not remember what is was like to try to be helpful and just kept drawing attention so as to be a lynch choice. I sure remember that for myself. I think if you were more focused on helping the loyal jurors out then you could overlook the bumbling of a new member and focus on finding the scummy crime family members who are using this situation to their advantage. Eventually even a new crime family member will make a mistake and stand out as the lynch choice. As the third member coming in Anthony seems to me to just be coasting along waiting for his demise; as it seems several members of the jury are dead set against him. I too would like to see him at least try to defend himself and put for a good case for his own vote choice. Also on the point of defense, you haven't really given anything to convince me that you are a loyal jury member. What happens if tomorrow reveals that your lynch you pushed for was a loyal townie? Even a useless jury member has voting power and that is important to find and lynch the crime family. If anyone seems blinded by a witch hunt it is you. Pushing so hard for the Cathy/Jimmy lynch you have failed to bring up any other suspicions or speculations or thoughts on any other jury members.
KotZ Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, Lady K said: by the numbers there are 3-4 crime family members amongst us. Doesn't four seem a little high?
Kwatchi Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, KotZ said: Doesn't four seem a little high? Beat me to it. I'd like to know how she came to this number. This came right out of left field. (Having said that, my first time on a jury so maybe there is a formula I don't know about).
Tariq j Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Lady K said: I am not comfortable with the band wagon on Cathy/Jimmy/Anthony. I feel strongly that its is one or more crime family members trying to lynch first time jury members and leading the town astray. Don't delay in a real vote; a revenge vote does nothing to help the jury find the crime family members and lynch them. I would like to point out for all to see who the two initiators on the Cathy/Jimmy/Anthony bandwagon are: Day 1: Tony then the third vote was Amanda Day 2: Amanda then the third vote was Tony How many experienced jury members remember their first few times on jury duty? Did none of you make the same or similar mistakes as Cathy and Jimmy? I will re-state what I said before; I can't believe that the more experienced crime family members let the new crime family members act so obviously scummy as to be the target of a lynch for two days. They would have been coached so as not to draw blatant attention to themselves. What pings me about this isn't actually who you're trying to get the attract the attention too but who you're trying to deflect it from. I made a ton of mistakes in my first jury, we all have. But I feel like you're deliberately trying to take away the attention from them.
Kwatchi Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, Lady K said: As the third member coming in Anthony seems to me to just be coasting along waiting for his demise; as it seems several members of the jury are dead set against him. I too would like to see him at least try to defend himself and put for a good case for his own vote choice. Also on the point of defense, you haven't really given anything to convince me that you are a loyal jury member. ((sip)) Objectively, is this not a complete impossible situation for Anthony? He has inherited a legacy of two previous jurors who's behaviour was 1) quiet but possibly explained due to outside circumstances, 2) so brief it probably isn't worth even considering, combined with literally hours to come to grips with the present voting patterns. I can't imagine he can come up with any answer to these accusation that will satisfy; guilty or not. Would it not be safer to "park him" for a day? I am not being rhetorical; I am truly asking if the risk of a single night outweighs the potential result of a false positive based on flawed data. ((sip)) At the end of day 1, and start of today too, I stated openly that I would consider, like, switching my vote off Stephanie for a compelling argument. I'm not seeing one in this case for Anthony. Tony, I can begin to see one for you as you are one of the most vocal for lynching Anthony (not the only one ofc). But that comes directly because I am not in the WE NEED A LYNCH camp but rather trying to evaluate persons based on speech and behaviour patterns I'm recognizing from... internet research I may have done in a past life. So the push for lynching strikes me as counter productive behaviour while so little known. ((sip))
jluck Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 16 minutes ago, Kwatchi said: ((sip)) Objectively, is this not a complete impossible situation for Anthony? He has inherited a legacy of two previous jurors who's behaviour was 1) quiet but possibly explained due to outside circumstances, 2) so brief it probably isn't worth even considering, combined with literally hours to come to grips with the present voting patterns. I can't imagine he can come up with any answer to these accusation that will satisfy; guilty or not. Would it not be safer to "park him" for a day? I am not being rhetorical; I am truly asking if the risk of a single night outweighs the potential result of a false positive based on flawed data. ((sip)) At the end of day 1, and start of today too, I stated openly that I would consider, like, switching my vote off Stephanie for a compelling argument. I'm not seeing one in this case for Anthony. Tony, I can begin to see one for you as you are one of the most vocal for lynching Anthony (not the only one ofc). But that comes directly because I am not in the WE NEED A LYNCH camp but rather trying to evaluate persons based on speech and behaviour patterns I'm recognizing from... internet research I may have done in a past life. So the push for lynching strikes me as counter productive behaviour while so little known. ((sip)) So short of lynching me, which I’d prefer not to happen, would you want a no lynch again?
Lady K Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 1 hour ago, KotZ said: Doesn't four seem a little high? Which is why I said 3-4; I gave a range. 1 hour ago, Kwatchi said: Beat me to it. I'd like to know how she came to this number. This came right out of left field. (Having said that, my first time on a jury so maybe there is a formula I don't know about). This is the most typical range I have seen in all the times I have served on jury duty before; and yes this is a formula to use for balance. 1 hour ago, Tariq j said: What pings me about this isn't actually who you're trying to get the attract the attention too but who you're trying to deflect it from. I made a ton of mistakes in my first jury, we all have. But I feel like you're deliberately trying to take away the attention from them. Who do you feel I am trying to take attention away from? On the contrary I see that we are about to lynch a possible loyal townie; could he be a crime family member, yes it is possible, I just don't think it is likely given the various conversations of Day 1 and Day 2. And the obvious scummy behavior that would make any other crime family members embarrassed to even be part of the same family. If the loyal jury chooses to lynch Tony today then by no means is Anthony off the hook. He will have to pull his own and contribute or he will end up right back on the lynch choice.
Kintobor Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 3 hours ago, Tariq j said: Fair enough. The reason why I called you out was because at the time of posting what you said, you hadn't specified who you personally wanted to vote for, but had asked a ton of members who they were going to vote for. Because ultimately that line of discussion gets us somewhere. If people change their votes, why did they change it from earlier in the day? This line of questioning will get us somewhere, not inquiries into night actions. They're a helpful tool, but people who insist we analyze night actions are in my mind being anti-town.
Actor Builder Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 This feels like a Day 1 kinda day to me, but that's probably because it's my first day. In my past Juries, I've always advocated for a No Lynch Day 1, because I'm just that kinda guy. Being that it's actually a Day 2 kinda day, I feel like I gotta push those negative thoughts out and try to get somewhere, even though it goes against my Day 1 vibes. So I'ma bandwagon on Tony here. Because I'm thinkin' we need to get somewhere, and it's either I vote for him or me. I hate just jumpin' on a vote for vote's sake, I really do, but I have little to nothing to go on, based on my personal interactions with the rest of you. (I'm not counting the people I'm filling in for's interactions with you guys.) UNVOTE: Dez (Forresto) VOTE: Tony (Jluck)
jluck Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, Actor Builder said: This feels like a Day 1 kinda day to me, but that's probably because it's my first day. In my past Juries, I've always advocated for a No Lynch Day 1, because I'm just that kinda guy. Being that it's actually a Day 2 kinda day, I feel like I gotta push those negative thoughts out and try to get somewhere, even though it goes against my Day 1 vibes. So I'ma bandwagon on Tony here. Because I'm thinkin' we need to get somewhere, and it's either I vote for him or me. I hate just jumpin' on a vote for vote's sake, I really do, but I have little to nothing to go on, based on my personal interactions with the rest of you. (I'm not counting the people I'm filling in for's interactions with you guys.) UNVOTE: Dez (Forresto) VOTE: Tony (Jluck) Poor choice, but understandable in trying to save yourself since I’m the only other candidate. So where’s the vote count and how much time do we have? It seems like many of you are willing to blindly follow Stephanie’s bandwagon and I’m starting to fear she’ll win this (at least until I’m shown as town tomorrow. Then who knows what excuses she’ll offer and who she’ll railroad next).
Lady K Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 17 minutes ago, jluck said: Poor choice, but understandable in trying to save yourself since I’m the only other candidate. So where’s the vote count and how much time do we have? It seems like many of you are willing to blindly follow Stephanie’s bandwagon and I’m starting to fear she’ll win this (at least until I’m shown as town tomorrow. Then who knows what excuses she’ll offer and who she’ll railroad next). Current vote count is even right now at: five for Tony and five for Anthony with one for me and Tina all but disappeared with no comments and no vote for Day 2. We need two more votes for a lynch today. If you are so sure that you will be shown as a loyal town jury member tomorrow then where is your defense to convince us that you are town?
jluck Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, Lady K said: Current vote count is even right now at: five for Tony and five for Anthony with one for me and Tina all but disappeared with no comments and no vote for Day 2. We need two more votes for a lynch today. If you are so sure that you will be shown as a loyal town jury member tomorrow then where is your defense to convince us that you are town? You know as well as I do that there is nothing I can say to change things. You’ve sold yourself on your logic. Be honest with yourself for a moment, is there anything I could say that’d make you change? I think you know the answer, because you’d prefer to have your argument be chosen.
Trekkie99 Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 1 minute ago, jluck said: You know as well as I do that there is nothing I can say to change things. You’ve sold yourself on your logic. Be honest with yourself for a moment, is there anything I could say that’d make you change? I think you know the answer, because you’d prefer to have your argument be chosen. She asked you to convince us that your innocent. Us as in everyone.
mediumsnowman Posted January 19, 2018 Author Posted January 19, 2018 Vote Count: 5 votes for Anthony Dodson (Actor Builder): Khscarymovie4, Tariq j, jluck, KotZ, Forresto 5 votes for Tony (jluck): Lady K, Kintober, LegoMonorailFan, fhomess, Actor Builder 1 vote for Stephanie Diaz (Lady K): Kwatchi Nonvoting (1): Umbra-Manis With 12 jurors remaining, a majority of 7 is required to lynch. Approximately 3 1/2 hours remain in the day.
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