Ngoc Nguyen Posted January 31, 2018 Author Posted January 31, 2018 1 hour ago, jwarner said: Not so sure about all-wheel steering, the box only shows steering on the front wheels. Wouldn't TLG want to show it off like with the Claas and other sets with all-wheel steering? The rear wheels point to a different direction from the body, so I assume it's 4 wheel steering. Quote
Frequenzberater Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 According to zusammengebaut.com the model is really huge and impressiv. It includes the old power functions 1.0 which operates outtriggers, crane and turns the cabin. Quote
1gor Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 7 hours ago, Ngoc Nguyen said: The rear wheels point to a different direction from the body, so I assume it's 4 wheel steering. I also think it is 4WS but only one mode (no crab steering or dog walk ), beside the engine would be in the way for steering mode selector. If you put it forward it would be in the way for crane... Quote
BucketWheelExcavator Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 When are we expected to get proper pictures? Quote
BrickbyBrickTechnic Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 4 hours ago, Frequenzberater said: It includes the old power functions 1.0 which operates outtriggers, crane and turns the cabin. So 5-6 power functions then? I think the outriggers are just 1-stage. Quote
1974 Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 13 hours ago, degenerate said: This set will have one single motor, and it will be used to control the crane functions. Having the drive and steering motorized would be nothing but idiotic as it is not a remote controlled set, I'm guessing it will be similar in functions to 42009 maybe except motorized outriggers. And honestly, anyone saying 42009 was great has probably only built it and put it on display, the lift capacity is far from good, and the structural integrity is a mess as lifting pretty much anything will make the whole upper structure bend due to the poor structural integrity of the turntable, it looks awesome but that's about it. I think this set will be great, especially if we're right about using the BWE gear quadrants to support the upper structure, and there is absolutely no way LEGO would straight out lie about the part count, nor is it a mistake, this is a recurring thing when they announce new sets and "experts" take a look and debunk the part count right away, the same was true for 42053 where a lot of people on here claimed there was no way it had more than 700 pieces, rather than the 1066(?) claimed pieces. I honestly believe that this crane will be awesome and I will buy it as soon as I can, first thing I'll do is count all the pieces and post the result on here so the "experts" can read em' and weep Yeah, 42009 is crap .. 127 gears and one tiny motor does not compute. Yes, it's got a three-stage boom and dual-stage outriggers, but they don't actually work. It's useless for play and many older mobilecranes (like 8460) work MUCH better. Too bad soo many modern Technic sets are all about DISplay and not PLAY. I really loved my 855 as a kid, I would be rather annoyed with 42009 back then (as I am now) And if you want structural integrity you need to use (Technic) bricks and plates. Liftarms are useless for large scale models ('cept perhaps large properly braced booms on cranes) Quote
Frequenzberater Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 13 minutes ago, BrickbyBrickTechnic said: So 5-6 power functions then? I think the outriggers are just 1-stage. Yes, that is what I understand so far. Quote
Timoonn Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 21 minutes ago, 1974 said: Yeah, 42009 is crap .. 127 gears and one tiny motor does not compute. Yes, it's got a three-stage boom and dual-stage outriggers, but they don't actually work. It's useless for play and many older mobilecranes (like 8460) work MUCH better. Too bad soo many modern Technic sets are all about DISplay and not PLAY. I really loved my 855 as a kid, I would be rather annoyed with 42009 back then (as I am now) And if you want structural integrity you need to use (Technic) bricks and plates. Liftarms are useless for large scale models ('cept perhaps large properly braced booms on cranes) 42009 work perfectly well, build it correctly Quote
1974 Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 Have you tried lifting anything, or actally play with it? It can't lift anything heavier than a City car, outriggers can't support the vehicle and all functions are VERY slow .. very boring! It's a functional (or not) toy you know, not a display model Quote
allanp Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 Well I think most of us here have built hundreds of sets and know how to build sets properly, but even here many of us had problems with the stabilisers, including me. I found the solution was to inspect each and every rotating axle for straightness, as I've found that 1 in 4 come very slightly bent in the box, increasing friction enough to stop it working. Using all straight axles the 42009 works ok. But it's a poor idea to have the motor so close to it's working limit anyway. Quote
Timoonn Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 As said, build it correctly, outriggers are very efficient and my crane can lift a bit more than a city car. If the crane stall, its due to the clutch gear, not the entire model. Quote
allanp Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) An L motor hooked up to pneumatics has more than enough power to easily and effortlessly lift the whole crane off the ground in no time with four vertical cylinders used for stabilisers. Compare that speed and power to as they are in 42009 where you are lucky if the stabilisers ever reach the ground before somewhere in the world, a new world wonder is formed by wind erosion! That's not what I would call an efficient use of the L motors available power. Edited January 31, 2018 by allanp Quote
tr4nc3t0p14 Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 18 hours ago, BrickbyBrickTechnic said: PM me. Also, I struggle to see 4057 pieces here. The base can't be more than 40cm long and the superstructure isn't gigantic. How many pieces do you estimate the "house" structure has? I PMed you twice with no response :( Quote
Aventador2004 Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 23 minutes ago, tr4nc3t0p14 said: I PMed you twice with no response :( You need 10 posts before pm works. Quote
tr4nc3t0p14 Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 oh. I should read the rules. I am here watching this forum for a long time. Great source of informations and news. Anyway 42082 will be pretty good set. Looking forward for it. Quote
Ngoc Nguyen Posted January 31, 2018 Author Posted January 31, 2018 I totally dont wanna see another 42009 this year. Quote
Brickthus Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 42082 has Unimog-sized wheels, 94mm rather than 62mm, so it's a fair bit bigger in scale than 42009. Hence more pieces in a 2-axle chassis. Perhaps TLG read that some people had had trouble with 42009's stabilisers and decided a shorter crane would be good for avoiding a repeat of the problem? They also mention the reminiscence of the original 855 Mobile Crane. The next question is, how long will it take one of us to turn 42082 into the equivalent 4-axle crane shown in the extra instructions of 851, 856 and other original Technic sets? The original was built from 850 + 854 + 855 + 871. 42082 already has 4-wheel steering. I miss those extra instructions, so full of aspirational ideas. I built those in my head hundreds of times! Mark Quote
Cumulonimbus Posted February 1, 2018 Posted February 1, 2018 Based on the information available at the moment I feel that the set might be rather empty inside. It sure looks impressive, but its functions might not live up to the expectations based on the size and part count. I once worked on a MOC of a similar Grove crane with the same functions, but it was based on 62,4 tires and there was plenty of space inside for the functions at this scale. I'm a supporter of the philosophy that a set/MOC should only be as big as necessary for its functions. Building something big for sake of being big has never excited me. On the other hand, if the 42082 turns out to have 4 wheel drive and/or 4 wheel steering, it could be alright. I'm also a bit surprised that the outriggers don't use the Arocs/Anthem gear racks, maybe they are too small for this large scale? Quote
Rikus Posted February 1, 2018 Posted February 1, 2018 From what I remember, during the presentation they told it have 4 WS Quote
Ngoc Nguyen Posted February 1, 2018 Author Posted February 1, 2018 It's 5x3 dogbones so the panels must be 3x11. What a shame then. So this set has 5 motorized functions. - Raising boom - Extending boom - Winch - Rotation - Outriggers. Since the switch controls the direction in the superstructure, there must be two switches in the lower body on both sides to control the rotation and the outriggers. Quote
1gor Posted February 1, 2018 Posted February 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Ngoc Nguyen said: It's 5x3 dogbones so the panels must be 3x11 Exactly. I just hope to see images from toyfair... Quote
BucketWheelExcavator Posted February 1, 2018 Posted February 1, 2018 12 minutes ago, I_Igor said: Exactly. I just hope to see images from toyfair... Which is when? Quote
Ngoc Nguyen Posted February 1, 2018 Author Posted February 1, 2018 Promobricks is allowed to publish images, so I think we can expect to see them in a few days. Or a few weeks, if TLG wants to go through all the pics that site took and censor inappropriate pic. That would take long. Quote
1gor Posted February 1, 2018 Posted February 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, BucketWheelExcavator said: Which is when? @Ngoc Nguyen gave the answer faster than me Quote
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