LEGO Star Wars 2021 Set Discussion - READ FIRST POST!!!

[BrickBob Studpants]

Just now, ArrowBricks said:

Erm…

Is it though? 

You mean because it's just online and has little chance of affecting anything in real life? To me at least, it's about principles. Online death threats rarely mean anything either, but you still have to treat them somewhat seriously. Same thing here. Also, people seem to forget that some of the designers frequent forums like ours (I think Hans Schlömer does too, doesn't he? I faintly remember him commenting about the Hoth set). Imagine putting a lot of care into designing a huge set like that and then reading comments that call for you to be fired. Won't happen, but still not a nice thing to read, is it 

[LegoFjotten]

9 minutes ago, Flieger said:

It needs to be perfect in everything and every way possible as far as brickbuilds and minifigs can be perfect. 

Problem is, you will find a lot different opinions about what "perfect" is - a "perfect in everything" for everybody does not exist. I've seen comments from people who don't want any figures in UCS sets, to people that are happy with the figures they got and glad that the torso design is in line with the 501st battle packs, to people that want a bunch of clones or other named figures, to wanting Jedi-Bob... 

10 minutes ago, Flieger said:

I would argue there is a sizeable group among the target audience is capable of making a difference between a commander and a pilot.

Everyone knows the difference between a commander and a pilot, including LEGO. But that isn't really relevant to the discussion is it? LEGO chose to make a commander, it's not like they tried to make a pilot and failed. The point the designer tried to make (and that I personally found very clear) is that neither the pilot nor the commander was the focus of those scenes, therefore they chose two figures they think made sense for the set.

At the end of the day though, everyone votes with their wallets and decides for themselves which sets they want to buy or not.

[Brikkyy13]

Page after page arguing about the Gunship’s minifigures... looks like everyone’s glossing over arguably the most important nugget of info we got about the set with the reveal. Instead of collectively wishing for Commander Cody again we should discuss the implications of the imperial logo on the box. We know it’s getting updated before the end of the year. IDK about you guys but knowing the box will have an indication that it’s from the first production run is enough for me to consider making this a day 1 purchase instead of waiting for a sale. 

[LegoFjotten]

6 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

 Also, people seem to forget that some of the designers frequent forums like ours (I think Hans Schlömer does too, doesn't he? I faintly remember him commenting about the Hoth set). 

He was a member here but I think he got banned. I don't know the details but I can easily imagine anyone snapping after enough unfair criticism. I think it is fair to say that as a whole Eurobricks members won't win any awards for constructive criticism.

I think it's a shame he isn't around. He has made many great sets (new UCS Falcon, Slave 1) and I really enjoy designers sharing some insight with us.

[BrickBob Studpants]

3 minutes ago, Brikkyy13 said:

[...] we should discuss the implications of the imperial logo on the box. 

...scalpers will go crazy, won't they?  Good thing there's an order limit on s@h

1 minute ago, LegoFjotten said:

I think it is fair to say that as a whole Eurobricks members won't win any awards for constructive criticism.

Pretty ironic for a forum about construction toys 

2 minutes ago, LegoFjotten said:

I think it's a shame he isn't around. He has made many great sets (new UCS Falcon, Slave 1) and I really enjoy designers sharing some insight with us.

Agreed. I'm always curious about background info like that 

[TeddytheSpoon]

1 hour ago, Brikkyy13 said:

Page after page arguing about the Gunship’s minifigures... looks like everyone’s glossing over arguably the most important nugget of info we got about the set with the reveal. Instead of collectively wishing for Commander Cody again we should discuss the implications of the imperial logo on the box. We know it’s getting updated before the end of the year. IDK about you guys but knowing the box will have an indication that it’s from the first production run is enough for me to consider making this a day 1 purchase instead of waiting for a sale. 

I was under the impression it was only the review copies that had those, and that the first production run would have the correct logos? Would certainly make an interesting collectors' item though, a bit like the Finch Dallow situation in the Resistance Bomber a few years back.

[jdubbs]

11 minutes ago, TeddytheSpoon said:

I was under the impression it was only the review copies that had those, and that the first production run would have the correct logos? Would certainly make an interesting collectors' item though, a bit like the Finch Dallow situation in the Resistance Bomber a few years back.

I wouldn't bet the farm on the aftermarket value of a minor packaging error. This is no Finch Dallow or Osprey scenario... an entire production run was done already, which means many thousands of units will be distributed, with no change to the figures or build itself... just one barely discernible change to a logo. 

And, given the number of people throwing a hissy fit about this set... trashing the designers and the company on Insta/FB... making YouTube videos bravely proclaiming how they're done with LEGO, leaving the party and taking their toys with them (don't let the door hit you on your way out...) there's really no guarantee a second production run will even be necessary. For all we know, this is the only version of the set that will ever exist.

[BrickBob Studpants]

I‘d put this in the same category as misprints. Can be valuable in the eyes of some hardcore collectors, but there is no inherent value to it, unlike the Osprey or the Finch Dallow minifig  

[PreVizsla]

1. Screw your fans and release a terrible PT UCS set without minifigures in 2010. 
2. Because that didn't sell, don't make PT UCS sets after that for next 11 years.
3. Make a fan vote between 2 Ot sets and Gunship and ask people which figures they would like with that.
4. Pt set wins, but designers ignore fan figure votes.
5. For the first time release a non minifigure scale UCS set for more than 200$ (not counting star destroyer)
6. Don't even include a necessary pilot even though fans would be happy with old microfighter one.
7. Proceed to insult star wars fans by saying they only remember yellow marked clone from the movie.
8. Proceed to threaten fans by saying they will not get another PT UCS set unless this ones sell.
9. Virtue signal about not wanting to include sought after figures in expensive sets while having 7 exclusive minifigures in the set for the same amount of money on the shelfs right now.
10. After MandRproductions lets everyone know vote is even happening and after he makes a public discussion video with fans of other 2 ucs set choices flip him off and let Solid Brix Studios reveal the set instead. 
11. Don't reveal the set during LEGO Con, but send it to LAN members 2 months early.
12. Sprinkle in some packaging errors. 

[ARC2149Nova]

9 hours ago, Utinni Utinni said:

Tone and attitude can be assumed also. I don't see the tone and attitude you are assuming from reading this quote. I also couldn't find the full interview or if there was audio, so I can't speak to that. If you go to 26:50 in the reveal video on Lego youtube they say:

Bald guy: "The fact that we've done it. Finally we've done a UCS version of the republic Gunship ..."

Beanie guy (Hans): ... the fact that it's a UCS model from the prequels to the ???? Is quite an achievement." Couldn't make out one word.

Those didn't seem like they were said by people loathed to make prequel UCS sets. My take on what's being said, so maybe I'm wrong, but that's what it sounds like to me. 

"I mean, you told us, 'We want this, we want it to be reasonably big,' and I hope that not everybody will now say, 'No, I don't like the minifigures,' or 'I'm not buying it because I don't like that brick there.' (which is an absurd complaint, even in theory)  So yeah, I guess if you want to see more sets like this, go and buy it."

How can you possibly spin that as genuinely joyful? It's very matter of fact. It's also not entirely unjustified due to certain elements of the fandom (MandR) and their near-endless complaints. It's not a joyful, "You asked, we delivered". I get the feeling that they knew what was going to go down, and, instead of simply promoting the sale, they decided to take a pot-shot. It's unprofessional at best. Not saying it's unwarranted (clearly it is), but from a PR perspective, it can come across as attacking the fans. But, that's just me.

If they were truly passionate with the set's development, then good on them. However, don't act like these aren't you know, company reps or anything. As we all know, companies never feign hype to save face. 

Of course I'm not saying that's the case (I don't seriously believe it is), but assuming that it's genuine can also be a mistake.

9 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

„Dear Mr Schlömer,

For the unforgivably vile crime against humanity of publicly stating that nobody cares about the differences between two CLONES with yellow markings, you are hereby sentenced to death.

Also, you‘re fired.“

 

The Star Wars fandumb in a nutshell

Man, you are the king of bad takes.

1 minute ago, PreVizsla said:

1. Screw your fans and release a terrible PT UCS set without minifigures in 2010. 
2. Because that didn't sell, don't make PT UCS sets after that for next 11 years.
3. Make a fan vote between 2 Ot sets and Gunship and ask people which figures they would like with that.
4. Pt set wins, but designers ignore fan figure votes.
5. For the first time release a non minifigure scale UCS set for more than 200$ (not counting star destroyer)
6. Don't even include a necessary pilot even though fans would be happy with old microfighter one.
7. Proceed to insult star wars fans by saying they only remember yellow marked clone from the movie.
8. Proceed to threaten fans by saying they will not get another PT UCS set unless this ones sell.
9. Virtue signal about not wanting to include sought after figures in expensive sets while having 7 exclusive minifigures in the set for the same amount of money on the shelfs right now.
10. After MandRproductions lets everyone know vote is even happening and after he makes a public discussion video with fans of other 2 ucs set choices flip him off and let Solid Brix Studios reveal the set instead. 
11. Don't reveal the set during LEGO Con, but send it to LAN members 2 months early.
12. Sprinkle in some packaging errors. 

13. Profit?

Most of these are erroneous, but I can agree with 6-8 (8 only partially, though). Also, Ryan is his own worst enemy sometimes. Didn't he reveal the set before the official livestream or something? I think cutting ties with him is good on Lego's end. I think David's a better youtuber overall, but that's just my opinion.

[BrickBob Studpants]

7 minutes ago, ARC2149Nova said:

Man, you are the king of bad takes.

Where can I request this to be my new title?  

9 minutes ago, PreVizsla said:

1. Screw your fans and release a terrible PT UCS set without minifigures in 2010. 

Back then, no UCS sets included minifigs. At least Obi-Wan's Jedi Starfighter featured R4-P17's head  And what's so terrible about that set?

[avengers777]

18 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Back then, no UCS sets included minifigs. At least Obi-Wan's Jedi Starfighter featured R4-P17's head 

Actually, they did include minifigs in UCS sets at that time. It started with the Falcon (2008), the Death Star (2008), Imperial Shuttle (2010), and then Obi-Wan's Starfighter (2010) had no figs. After Obi-Wan's starfighter, every UCS set has had minifigs, with the exception of the B-Wing.

[Balrogofmorgoth]

13 hours ago, PreVizsla said:

What are you talking about? A non LEGO fan will randomly appear in the LEGO isle or in the LEGO store and see this set and buy it for 400$ out of the blue? And there will be so many cases of this happening that they will become main consumers and buy more than LEGO fans?? Or a non SW fan? You are telling me a random person will pass next to mos eisley with 21 figures,vehicles and a dinosaur looking creature, 1989 batmobile and batwing, ninjago gardens,benatar and pick a random ship from a movie he is not a fan of that's missing the middle section and  just buy it for 400$ and drive it home? And there will be tens of thousand of such cases? This sounds absurd to me
 

Missing the middle section? Have you seen AOTC? It’s not missing anything. This is the in-universe design of the ship. TCW introduces other versions that look slightly different, but this version is the iconic film version (and honestly my favorite version) of the Gunship and is not missing anything

50 minutes ago, PreVizsla said:

1. Screw your fans and release a terrible PT UCS set without minifigures in 2010. 
2. Because that didn't sell, don't make PT UCS sets after that for next 11 years.
3. Make a fan vote between 2 Ot sets and Gunship and ask people which figures they would like with that.
4. Pt set wins, but designers ignore fan figure votes.
5. For the first time release a non minifigure scale UCS set for more than 200$ (not counting star destroyer)
6. Don't even include a necessary pilot even though fans would be happy with old microfighter one.
7. Proceed to insult star wars fans by saying they only remember yellow marked clone from the movie.
8. Proceed to threaten fans by saying they will not get another PT UCS set unless this ones sell.
9. Virtue signal about not wanting to include sought after figures in expensive sets while having 7 exclusive minifigures in the set for the same amount of money on the shelfs right now.
10. After MandRproductions lets everyone know vote is even happening and after he makes a public discussion video with fans of other 2 ucs set choices flip him off and let Solid Brix Studios reveal the set instead. 
11. Don't reveal the set during LEGO Con, but send it to LAN members 2 months early.
12. Sprinkle in some packaging errors. 

The Jedi Starfighter being terrible is just your opinion. It’s actually a very nice and accurately detailed model. If by “terrible” you mean it doesn’t have any figures then I don’t know what to tell you. I feel like a broken record but UCS isn’t about the figures at all. The Starfighter is actually a beautiful set. Also, in no universe does MandR deserve to do the reveal of any set

Edited July 18, 2021 by Balrogofmorgoth

[Brikkyy13]

54 minutes ago, jdubbs said:

And, given the number of people throwing a hissy fit about this set... trashing the designers and the company on Insta/FB... making YouTube videos bravely proclaiming how they're done with LEGO, leaving the party and taking their toys with them (don't let the door hit you on your way out...) there's really no guarantee a second production run will even be necessary. For all we know, this is the only version of the set that will ever exist.

Yikes is this set really being received that badly? We’ve been joking about people saying “wHeReS CoDy aNd HiS ArMY??1???1?11” for so long so I knew to expect some complaining but quitting the hobby over it is a complete overreaction. I know that nothing is guaranteed but from the way the designers were speaking in the reveal video this set is almost certainly going to get the second run with updating packaging, after that there’s no telling. This certainly isn’t a Finch Dallow situation but I can see the imperial box version fetching a premium.

22 minutes ago, PreVizsla said:

10. After MandRproductions lets everyone know vote is even happening and after he makes a public discussion video with fans of other 2 ucs set choices flip him off and let Solid Brix Studios reveal the set instead. 

I’m not entirely sure what point you’re trying to make about him making a discussion video but the gist is you’re mad MandR didn’t do the reveal? To reply to the other two points you make here: Most people were aware of the vote without him. It’s not like it was on LEGO’s website or anything easily found. Then he made a video, one of hundreds on his channel And as for getting him to reveal the set... why on Earth would they ever let him do that? Here’s a fun hypothetical: You’re the person who has to decide who’s going to reveal the new LEGO Star Wars set (hooray for you!) and you’re given a choice between two people. Both of your options are young men who are dedicated to making LEGO Star Wars videos in their impressive collection rooms. Person one spends their time building massive battle dioramas with their LEGO. Person two is a PR nightmare who you kicked out of your affiliate program less than 6 months ago. Who do you chose?

[Mandalorianknight]

12 hours ago, ArrowBricks said:

Well yes of course, but ‘assume’ does not work when I explained it. Instead people jumped down my throat and belittled me. The point is the figures exist, I regard them as ‘the set’ and hence it warrants criticism from that perspective. Won’t lie I’d love to see how the OT UCS fans react when we get a Tie Bomber next year and a Death Star Gunner and a Stormtrooper are included. Or how about the AT-AT with a Tie Pilot!! How exciting. Anywhere that’s enough, appreciate the discussion with you all regardless of my complaints with the conduct. 

No worries. Irrespective doesn’t mean I still could not complain.   

I'm going to try one last time to explain this. The difference between getting a clone commander and mace in a gunship UCS and getting a TIE pilot in an AT-AT set is the clone and mace are heavily associated with the gunship, where the tie pilot is not associated with the at-at besides being part of the same faction. A tie pilot in an AT-AT is more akin to getting an AT-RT driver in the gunship. And while we won't get a TIE bomber next year, if it had, like, Piett and a stormtrooper or something, no one would be complaining (besides the people complaining that there's no pilot in the gunship), because UCS sets aren't meant to be piloted by minifigures.

3 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

You mean because it's just online and has little chance of affecting anything in real life? To me at least, it's about principles. Online death threats rarely mean anything either, but you still have to treat them somewhat seriously. Same thing here. Also, people seem to forget that some of the designers frequent forums like ours (I think Hans Schlömer does too, doesn't he? I faintly remember him commenting about the Hoth set). Imagine putting a lot of care into designing a huge set like that and then reading comments that call for you to be fired. Won't happen, but still not a nice thing to read, is it 

I've agreed with most of the stuff you've been saying on the gunship topic, but this is where I draw the line. Yeah, it's dumb, but as you state, it's not gonna do anything more than hurt someone's feelings, which isn't exactly a capital offense.

[Balrogofmorgoth]

How did some people expect a UCS Gunship to be relatively the same size as the previous system scale version? “ItS nOt MiNiFiG sCaLe” like what? Are you serious? The last one was very close to minfig scale. this set, as a UCS set, could not be minfig scale, it just wouldn’t work and it wouldn’t be big enough or detailed enough to be UCS. Am I in full support of another system scale version soon? Absolutely! But this set had to be something else entirely, and quite frankly it’s astounding that people don’t understand that

[BrickBob Studpants]

4 minutes ago, Balrogofmorgoth said:

But this set had to be something else entirely, and quite frankly it’s astounding that people don’t understand that

Indeed. Also, why are people this surprised about it? I know not everyone is following the rumours, but we've known for months how large the set would be (canopy size, part count, price) and even the minifig selection had been rumoured for months, and turned out to be accurate. Were people secretly hoping for all of the information to be false? If so, they don't have anyone to blame but themselves.

Funny how some people only seem to believe the rumours they personally like 

[Balrogofmorgoth]

I’m sorry (not really) but anyone calling for the designer to be fired over not including the figures they want is an idiot.

[lego_guyon02]

If this is the "fallout" of these 2 figures being included I don't even want to know what would've happened if people got their wish and P2 Cody and whatnot were included. And have people still not realized UCS sets aren't about figures to begin with? 

1 hour ago, PreVizsla said:

10. After MandRproductions lets everyone know vote is even happening and after he makes a public discussion video with fans of other 2 ucs set choices flip him off and let Solid Brix Studios reveal the set instead. 

What does MandR have to do with anything? He's a PR nightmare and was kicked from LAN months ago, why the hell would they pick him to do the reveal over a LAN member who doesn't have his head up his megablocks?

3 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Funny how some people only seem to believe the rumours they personally like 

That's nothing new is it? 

[Gremer2]

11 minutes ago, Balrogofmorgoth said:

How did some people expect a UCS Gunship to be relatively the same size as the previous system scale version? “ItS nOt MiNiFiG sCaLe” like what? Are you serious? The last one was very close to minfig scale. this set, as a UCS set, could not be minfig scale, it just wouldn’t work and it wouldn’t be big enough or detailed enough to be UCS. Am I in full support of another system scale version soon? Absolutely! But this set had to be something else entirely, and quite frankly it’s astounding that people don’t understand that

Multiple people have been saying that the Gunship would not be minifig scale for several months now because it's so obvious, and yet people are still complaining about it. The last version was nearly minifig scale, something nearly 3x the price is going to be a whole lot bigger.

 

I just find this whole thing absurd. People wanted a Gunship and now there's people that likely voted for it saying they won't get it because the clone torso is the animated style or it doesn't come with a Pilot (figured aren't the main reason to get a UCS set, obviously)  or they didn't get XYZ or whatever other reason. It almost makes hope this set sells poorly so we don't get any more PT sets because clearly "Lego can't do anything right" and people would complain again.

 

[Sarah_H7744]

I think the UCS Gunship is absolutely gorgeous!
Unfortunately for my purposes a system scale version would have been much better.

[Balrogofmorgoth]

2 minutes ago, Sarah_H7744 said:

I think the UCS Gunship is absolutely gorgeous!
Unfortunately for my purposes a system scale version would have been much better.

I think it’s gorgeous too, and I do hope to see a new system scale Gunship and AT-TE soon, it’s definitely time

[Sarah_H7744]

Just now, Balrogofmorgoth said:

I think it’s gorgeous too, and I do hope to see a new system scale Gunship and AT-TE soon, it’s definitely time

Yes indeed, it is most definitely time!  

[TeddytheSpoon]

37 minutes ago, Brikkyy13 said:

Yikes is this set really being received that badly? We’ve been joking about people saying “wHeReS CoDy aNd HiS ArMY??1???1?11” for so long so I knew to expect some complaining but quitting the hobby over it is a complete overreaction.

I'm of the same opinion... On the whole people seem to be positive about the set on here, notwithstanding the *ahem* discussions on semantics, and as far as I've seen comments on places like Brickset or TBB seem to agree. I haven't looked at Insta or elsewhere comments because frankly I'd rather not do that to myself, but I can only assume it's the usual vocal minority being especially vocal, because they need something to complain about on the internet.

1 hour ago, PreVizsla said:

4. Pt set wins, but designers ignore fan figure votes.

Not sure I agree with most of these, but on this one... Why do people keep phrasing it like 'TLG ignored the fan figure votes'? Unless I've missed something we have no idea what the results of that looked like besides anecdotal evidence, so for all we know Mace Windu and a clone commander may well have been the most requested figures.

For me the only real thing to get upset/concerned over is the way the designer press release has been handled. Hans is clearly no schmuck as he's designed two amazing looking UCS sets, among other things, but this isn't the first time a LSW designer interview has raised eyebrows. I appreciate the honesty (support the things you love and all that), but it does feel like they could at least spin it a liiiittle bit more optimistically.

Edited July 18, 2021 by TeddytheSpoon

[BrickBob Studpants]

14 minutes ago, lego_guyon02 said:

That's nothing new is it? 

Nope, but it baffles me every time 

@everyone who didn't jump (gun)ship: Where/how will you display yours? Since the usual approach won't cut it, I'll put mine on a Detolf shelf in the middle of the room  The wingspan is a big larger than expected, so I hope it'll still work out