Renny The Spaceman Posted October 21 Posted October 21 16 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said: Heresy!! Don’t you dare contradict the mighty Turt-El (gonna steal that from @CloneCommando99)! He says it’s bad because Soup flies like a bee, which is not good :/ HIS WORD IS FINAL Guys, come on, he's Dolor. Just a completely different Riddler obsessed LEGO Fan who hates Superman and owns multiple shadow boxes. Have some respect 19 minutes ago, psqidexslizer said: The film turned a profit in theaters, was the highest grossing comic book movie of the year, and is getting a sequel. By no metric did it fail. As for it being a “bad movie”, the audience and critic reviews say otherwise. What would you know about metrics of failure, you were in Smurfs! Quote
Mandalorianknight Posted October 21 Posted October 21 (edited) 2 hours ago, psqidexslizer said: The film turned a profit in theaters, was the highest grossing comic book movie of the year, and is getting a sequel. By no metric did it fail. "Highest grossing comic book movie of the year" in a year where all marvel's outings lost money isn't much praise. Also, it seems very unlikely it turned a profit. The movie cost $225 million to make and $125 million to market. Given general profit sharing is 50/50, and the movie made $615 million total... it seems like it lost around $135 million. Ironically, it's somewhat possible it could have just barely turned a profit, or at least gotten a lot more in the realm of "eh, just about broke even" had Gunn not taken a $15 million paycheck compared to the star of the movie's $750,000. And those numbers aren't from some sketchy blog or something, that's Forbes and Variety. Those aren't great numbers, and DEFINITELY aren't "lego missed out/lego needs to rush and make some sets post-film" numbers. If I was lego I wouldn't be very confident that those are "make sets for the sequel" numbers. This was NOT the hit that DC needed. 1 hour ago, Renny The Spaceman said: Guys, come on, he's Dolor. Just a completely different Riddler obsessed LEGO Fan who hates Superman and owns multiple shadow boxes. Have some respect Doesn't everyone own multiple shadow boxes? I have 17. I thought the metric of a DC fan was how many shadow boxes you owned. Edited October 21 by Mandalorianknight Quote
psqidexslizer Posted October 21 Posted October 21 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said: "Highest grossing comic book movie of the year" in a year where all marvel's outings lost money isn't much praise. Also, it seems very unlikely it turned a profit. The movie cost $225 million to make and $125 million to market. Given general profit sharing is 50/50, and the movie made $615 million total... it seems like it lost around $135 million. Ironically, it's somewhat possible it could have just barely turned a profit, or at least gotten a lot more in the realm of "eh, just about broke even" had Gunn not taken a $15 million paycheck compared to the star of the movie's $750,000. And those numbers aren't from some sketchy blog or something, that's Forbes and Variety. Those aren't great numbers, and DEFINITELY aren't "lego missed out/lego needs to rush and make some sets post-film" numbers. If I was lego I wouldn't be very confident that those are "make sets for the sequel" numbers. This was NOT the hit that DC needed. The 50/50 split isn’t accurate. For one, studios take a higher cut of the box office during the opening weeks (sometimes as high as 90%) and then during the ending of the run, it levels out closer to 50/50, but only domestically. Internationally, theaters take a heavier cut than 50%, with theaters in China taking the highest cut. So, the 50/50 split isn’t accurate. And for a domestic heavy and opening weekend heavy film like Superman, the film doesn’t need as much to break even. Which is why articles like this https://www.forbes.com/sites/timlammers/2025/10/06/james-gunns-superman-ends-its-theatrical-run-how-much-did-it-make/, where the author (who specialized in interviewing celebrities, not analyzing box office) just applies the 50/50 split rule aren’t accurate, even if it does come from a reliable site like Forbes. I’d put far more faith in an articles like this: https://variety.com/2025/film/news/warner-bros-box-office-historic-streak-conjuring-last-rites-1236510864/, where the author actually covers box office earnings for a living and cites a company that analyzes box office earnings professionally, instead of just applying an arbitrary rule. So, per actual box office analysts, the film did turn a profit. Edited October 21 by psqidexslizer Quote
Dolor Posted October 21 Posted October 21 If Superman was such a big hit, why now one talks about it? Whole idea of a man with op super power is ridiculous. Even more ridiculous is put that character to same universe than Bruce Wayne & Gotham City. It is right decision to make Batman Lego game where is no op hero which can fly like a bird. I think lego understands this very well and that why their main focus after LEGO BATMAN movie, has been only that black bat. Quote
BrickBob Studpants Posted October 21 Posted October 21 7 minutes ago, Dolor said: If Superman was such a big hit, why now one talks about it? Whole idea of a man with op super power is ridiculous. He’s so OP, he gets beaten in most fights, and has to be rescued by other characters multiple times Something tells me you didn’t even watch it. You’re tearing me apart, Turt-El! 8 minutes ago, Dolor said: It is right decision to make Batman Lego game where is no op hero which can fly like a bird. That means Superman can show up! After all, he flies like a bee, not like a bird. Actually, he has no wings, so he flies like neither of them. Batman has wings though… BAN HIM FROM HIS OWN GAME Quote
Dolor Posted October 21 Posted October 21 Is that same character than in the LEGO BATMAN movie? Red Hood... Quote
psqidexslizer Posted October 22 Posted October 22 18 hours ago, Dolor said: If Superman was such a big hit, why now one talks about it? Whole idea of a man with op super power is ridiculous. Even more ridiculous is put that character to same universe than Bruce Wayne & Gotham City. It is right decision to make Batman Lego game where is no op hero which can fly like a bird. I think lego understands this very well and that why their main focus after LEGO BATMAN movie, has been only that black bat. Complaining about Superman being OP, but not an ordinary human who has canonically survived a fall from outer space because “prep time” is hilarious. Quote
Dolor Posted October 22 Posted October 22 Don't get me wrong... eventually I will buy that movie. (Apple TV) ... but is actually a good movie, even moderate. No, it is not :/ ... but then who taught it would be. Quote
psqidexslizer Posted October 22 Posted October 22 44 minutes ago, Dolor said: Don't get me wrong... eventually I will buy that movie. (Apple TV) ... but is actually a good movie, even moderate. No, it is not :/ ... but then who taught it would be. … why would you buy a movie you don’t like? Quote
Dolor Posted October 22 Posted October 22 (edited) Actually I have now Amazon Prime and there is almost every DC movie & tv series ever made. AND for some reason that Jack Snyder trilogy is quite ok. It starts from Superman... Edited October 22 by Dolor Quote
Renny The Spaceman Posted October 23 Posted October 23 On 10/21/2025 at 2:59 PM, Mandalorianknight said: Doesn't everyone own multiple shadow boxes? I have 17. I thought the metric of a DC fan was how many shadow boxes you owned. I use them as doorstops, and throw pillows. think I'm at 13 21 hours ago, Dolor said: Actually I have now Amazon Prime and there is almost every DC movie & tv series ever made. AND for some reason that Jack Snyder trilogy is quite ok. It starts from Superman... Oh yeah, Jack's great at what he does, even if it's not my thing, okay is right, do you like that version of Superman? On 10/22/2025 at 7:30 PM, Dolor said: Don't get me wrong... eventually I will buy that movie. (Apple TV) ... but is actually a good movie, even moderate. No, it is not :/ ... but then who taught it would be. Detective J Corden On 10/22/2025 at 3:13 PM, psqidexslizer said: Complaining about Superman being OP, but not an ordinary human who has canonically survived a fall from outer space because “prep time” is hilarious. Not prep time, he was thinking on the fly, which makes it even more realistic, he improved it and pulled through Quote
Dolor Posted October 23 Posted October 23 Jack Snyder Superman is better than many say and think. A lot of cool stuff. Also in Flash there are great Batman moments. And Justice League Snyder Cut is 5/5 epic movie for me... at the moment Batman: Caped Crusader is my sweet heart 5/5 stuff. Amazing animation series. Quote
BrickBob Studpants Posted October 23 Posted October 23 No idea who this Jack Snyder fella is, but does his version of Soup fly like a bee too? Or wait, is it actually Zack with a silly moustache, going undercover? Genius! Quote
psqidexslizer Posted October 23 Posted October 23 2 hours ago, Dolor said: Jack Snyder Superman is better than many say and think. A lot of cool stuff. Also in Flash there are great Batman moments. And Justice League Snyder Cut is 5/5 epic movie for me... at the moment Batman: Caped Crusader is my sweet heart 5/5 stuff. Amazing animation series. Female Penguin was a great idea. Quote
Mandalorianknight Posted October 24 Posted October 24 (edited) 1 hour ago, psqidexslizer said: Female Penguin was a great idea. Elite ball knowledge. But this proves it's not turtle, as it's a 5/5 show for him, whereas turtle clearly had some serious issues with it.) (The idea was still strange to me, like almost every other move in caped crusader. Batman isn't exactly hurting for female villains.) 6 hours ago, Renny The Spaceman said: Not prep time, he was thinking on the fly, which makes it even more realistic, he improved it and pulled through He simply called the DC writers and reminded them how much their sales would plummet if he were to die. 4 hours ago, Dolor said: And Justice League Snyder Cut is 5/5 epic movie for me Everybody hates on it, but it's IMO the single best translation of superheroes as modern mythology I've ever seen on screen. It's the most these characters have ever truly felt like gods. Now that may not be what you personally go for in your movies- I certainly wouldn't want all of them to be like that- but I thought it worked very well there. 2 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said: No idea who this Jack Snyder fella is, but does his version of Soup fly like a bee too? No he flies like a soup can. (Jokes aside, I think one of the few things everyone unilaterally liked about MoS was that "first flight" scene or whatever it's called.) 6 hours ago, Renny The Spaceman said: I use them as doorstops, and throw pillows. think I'm at 13 I've actually been using them as building materials for my house. I've rapidly increased the number I own since I last posted and have a small building made exclusively out of shadow boxes. Plumbing and electricity were a nightmare to figure out, but eventually I decided it would be OK to use brick sealant and those little LED light kits (but only the ones for the shadow box.) Edited October 24 by Mandalorianknight Quote
Dolor Posted October 24 Posted October 24 I'm starting to realise that Zack Edward Snyder made great Snyderverse trilogy. I have even heard that DC took him back "home". It really starts to feel that DC is coming back and we might see how Marvel goes down... Think about how good things is happening... Batman animation show, Superman, Batman lego videogame... Batman 20-anniversary sets. AND so many upcoming projects (movies). Even 1st modular building if you like those. Painting. Logo. Arkham Asylum. Batman animated series Batmobile. I might forget something. (I hope we could get whole wave of sets from lego game). Quote
psqidexslizer Posted October 24 Posted October 24 7 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said: Elite ball knowledge. But this proves it's not turtle, as it's a 5/5 show for him, whereas turtle clearly had some serious issues with it.) He’s like Wells from The Flash where a different version of him from the multiverse keeps popping up. This latest one is from the universe where Snyder fans successfully bullied the studio into restoring the Snyderverse. Quote
Dolor Posted October 24 Posted October 24 Is there a some kind of problem with Zack Snyder's trilogy? (snyderverse). We all know that there was horrible personal issues which effected to movies. Quote
BrickBob Studpants Posted October 24 Posted October 24 1 hour ago, Dolor said: Is there a some kind of problem with Zack Snyder's trilogy? Apart from having poor reviews, being highly divise at best, suffering from the usual Snyder-isms, having Man use guns, both Man and Soup killing people, Jimmy getting shot in the face in his only scene, Soup dying in his second appearance, Jesse thinking he’s playing a weird hybrid between the Riddler and the Joker instead of Lex, Doomsday being ruined, being overly grimdark, and Snyderbros being some of the most obnoxious people on Earth, they’re okay …I like the scores tho Quote
Dolor Posted October 24 Posted October 24 Lex Luthor was the most interesting character for me. Movie could have concentrated even more about him. I have heard rumours that new Superman movie Lex Luthor is good. Movie costs about 17 euros. Rent would be 5 euros. Quote
Mandalorianknight Posted October 24 Posted October 24 (edited) 5 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said: having Man use guns, both Man and Soup killing people, These never made sense to me. Now to clarify I'm not a BvS fan, but that movie makes very clear that we aren't supposed to think Man's actions are right. Most movie batmen kill, but for some reason because BvS, the one with an explicitly fallen and bitter Man, we're gonna complain about it there? But not Burton and Kilmer murdering people and the movie either not even acknowledging it or outright applauding it? It's hypocritical. As for Soup killing, this is part of the whole sanitization of superheroes and collective gaslighting into thinking most of them don't kill. Superman absolutely does kill his enemies when necessary. As he famously says to joker, he doesn't have a rule against it, he just doesn't make a habit of it. The majority of superheroes for most of their history do kill- it was Batman, Spider-Man, and Daredevil who had the no-kill rules. You can even see this within continuities- in the early MCU iron man's smoking terrorists left and right and Captain America guns down mind-controlled Shield Agents, but by post-endgame we're all-in on the "heroes don't kill people" trope. 6 hours ago, psqidexslizer said: He’s like Wells from The Flash where a different version of him from the multiverse keeps popping up. This actually works pretty well. Turtle was the OG, RiddlerDC was the exact same personality because the show realized they messed up by getting rid of him - or because Turtle couldn't stay away, Imposter went the other way and was super different- not even staying in the same themes- and Dolor is similar, but with some cosmetic and stylistic differences (no colored text instead of an accent). Edited October 24 by Mandalorianknight Quote
psqidexslizer Posted October 24 Posted October 24 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said: These never made sense to me. Now to clarify I'm not a BvS fan, but that movie makes very clear that we aren't supposed to think Man's actions are right. Most movie batmen kill, but for some reason because BvS, the one with an explicitly fallen and bitter Man, we're gonna complain about it there? But not Burton and Kilmer murdering people and the movie either not even acknowledging it or outright applauding it? It's hypocritical. As for Soup killing, this is part of the whole sanitization of superheroes and collective gaslighting into thinking most of them don't kill. Superman absolutely does kill his enemies when necessary. As he famously says to joker, he doesn't have a rule against it, he just doesn't make a habit of it. The majority of superheroes for most of their history do kill- it was Batman, Spider-Man, and Daredevil who had the no-kill rules. You can even see this within continuities- in the early MCU iron man's smoking terrorists left and right and Captain America guns down mind-controlled Shield Agents, but by post-endgame we're all-in on the "heroes don't kill people" trope. IMO, there’s four tiers of superhero killing rules. 1) Never kills. This group includes Batman (except in the movies) and Daredevil. They’re all ridiculously anti-kill with Batman being the worst offender of this lot (Joker wouldn’t survive five minutes with any other superhero). 2) Only kills as a last resort. This group includes Superman, Wonder Woman, Spider-Man, and Flash. They’ve all killed, (or attempted to kill in Spider-Man’s case), but it’s incredibly rare that they do and it’s always a big deal. 3) Kills, but tries to keep the number of casualties down. Most superheroes fall in this category. They kill pretty regularly but try to avoid killing without reason. 4) Probably a psychopath. This group includes Punisher, Hulk, and Wolverine. These guys have filled entire graveyards. I completely agree on Batfleck, btw. It’s pretty clear him killing is wrong (even if Zack Snyder and his biggest fans disagree) and his arc is about finding redemption and becoming a better man, which makes it much more acceptable than Keaton and Kilmer who just casually murder their enemies. Edited October 24 by psqidexslizer Quote
Mandalorianknight Posted October 24 Posted October 24 2 hours ago, psqidexslizer said: IMO, there’s four tiers of superhero killing rules. 1) Never kills. This group includes Batman (except in the movies) and Daredevil. They’re all ridiculously anti-kill with Batman being the worst offender of this lot (Joker wouldn’t survive five minutes with any other superhero). 2) Only kills as a last resort. This group includes Superman, Wonder Woman, Spider-Man, and Flash. They’ve all killed, (or attempted to kill in Spider-Man’s case), but it’s incredibly rare that they do and it’s always a big deal. 3) Kills, but tries to keep the number of casualties down. Most superheroes fall in this category. They kill pretty regularly but try to avoid killing without reason. 4) Probably a psychopath. This group includes Punisher, Hulk, and Wolverine. These guys have filled entire graveyards. I completely agree on Batfleck, btw. It’s pretty clear him killing is wrong (even if Zack Snyder and his biggest fans disagree) and his arc is about finding redemption and becoming a better man, which makes it much more acceptable than Keaton and Kilmer who just casually murder their enemies. I agree in terms of the tiers but not who is in what tier, and with the caveat that within 3, plenty of heroes will go for killshots on enemy goons that don't really stand a chance against them. As for 1, I think every hero has killed at some point, at least counting all the main-continuity comics. Batman certainly has, Daredevil's at least attempted to, spider-man as you say has attempted to. I would also say superman might belong in 3 and wonder woman DEFINITELY does. Superman doesn't often kill simply because he's so powerful that he's usually able to defeat the enemy nonfatally without civilians dying as a result, but we know that with someone like Joker he'd probably kill even outside an immediate "I kill this guy or he kills civilians" situation, which I think would put him more in 3 than two. That said, I could see a case being made for 2 as well. But wonder woman- I mean I guess she doesn't kill normal people super often, but there's a reason she often runs around with a sword, something that's kind of hard to use in a nonlethal manner. She's also definitely the most willing of the three to murder when it comes down to it. Yeah. It's weird to me that people make such a big deal out of him killing when he's one of two batman wherein the movies actually treat him murdering people as an issue. (I'll let Battinson off here as well since he doesn't canonically kill anyone, even if realistically plenty of people are dead after the stuff he pulls) Quote
psqidexslizer Posted October 24 Posted October 24 3 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said: I agree in terms of the tiers but not who is in what tier, and with the caveat that within 3, plenty of heroes will go for killshots on enemy goons that don't really stand a chance against them. As for 1, I think every hero has killed at some point, at least counting all the main-continuity comics. Batman certainly has, Daredevil's at least attempted to, spider-man as you say has attempted to. I would also say superman might belong in 3 and wonder woman DEFINITELY does. Superman doesn't often kill simply because he's so powerful that he's usually able to defeat the enemy nonfatally without civilians dying as a result, but we know that with someone like Joker he'd probably kill even outside an immediate "I kill this guy or he kills civilians" situation, which I think would put him more in 3 than two. That said, I could see a case being made for 2 as well. But wonder woman- I mean I guess she doesn't kill normal people super often, but there's a reason she often runs around with a sword, something that's kind of hard to use in a nonlethal manner. She's also definitely the most willing of the three to murder when it comes down to it. Yeah. It's weird to me that people make such a big deal out of him killing when he's one of two batman wherein the movies actually treat him murdering people as an issue. (I'll let Battinson off here as well since he doesn't canonically kill anyone, even if realistically plenty of people are dead after the stuff he pulls) With Superman and especially Wonder Woman, it depends on who is writing them. After all, these two are somehow the same character: Quote
BrickBob Studpants Posted October 25 Posted October 25 18 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said: Yeah. It's weird to me that people make such a big deal out of him killing when he's one of two batman wherein the movies actually treat him murdering people as an issue. I prefer my Man not killing people Batfleck for sure isn’t the only offender, but I judge his depiction in BvS more harshly because he’s A) an idiot for so easily falling for Temu Jonkler’s plan (the world’s greatest detective my ***), and B) uses guns. Him not using guns is far more vital than him not killing. They are the weapons of the enemy. He does not need them. He will not use them. And the less said about Snyder’s prison phantasies, the better He does get much better in JL though (both versions), and I quite liked his appearance in The Flash too. Quote
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