2025 Castle [wishlist/speculation]

[hikouki]

I wonder if Lego at some point will re-start making some torsos and legs for older factions, especially those which were sort of one-off. Especially the CMF ones only had one 'member' to their faction (Crow, Boar, Bear).

[SpacePolice89]

2 hours ago, Blazej_Holen said:

Would it be still CASTLE though? I think that this is rather some fantasy / DnD like theme . Castle should be about knights, villagers, maxbe some fantasy bits like dragons or wizards but thats about it IMHO.

I agree. Too much is too much. Ghost, skeleton, wizard/witch and dragon are fine but orcs, dwarfs ands trolls as factions is too much for me.

[Black Falcon]

2 hours ago, Blazej_Holen said:

Would it be still CASTLE though? I think that this is rather some fantasy / DnD like theme . Castle should be about knights, villagers, maxbe some fantasy bits like dragons or wizards but thats about it IMHO.

Well, was Fantasy Era Castle? Castle always (aside maybe from the first sets) had some fantasy Elements, sometimes more, sometimes less, but surely Fantasy Era was the one that was standing out the most - but also the fright knights. But I am not actually sure the theme would be counted towards castle today anyways, since we today use to sort the sets the way Brickset does, but that isn´t really any official way to sort those - for instance fantasy era was just called castle. So even if for us it would be a castle theme, who knows if the new theme would become a subtheme under castle in the Brickset Database, or rather get it´s own theme. In the end it is probably just people wanting to have some sort of structure.

56 minutes ago, MAB said:

If they are doing a new minifigure based fantasy theme, I'd expect them to use both male and female characters in the important roles so it appeals to both boys and girls.

Everything else would be a surprise anyways - and actually the same would also go if they would do an actual Friends-Style theme again.

40 minutes ago, hikouki said:

I wonder if Lego at some point will re-start making some torsos and legs for older factions, especially those which were sort of one-off. Especially the CMF ones only had one 'member' to their faction (Crow, Boar, Bear).

Well we had the chance to get more Raven-Knights, but apparently people prefer new stuff. So I would say, there is a chance that popular CMFs get another version sometime but overall CMFs will have less chance for it than actual old Lego factions for sure.

[zoth33]

1 hour ago, MAB said:

I cannot really see them doing a female dominated minifigure theme. They have already found that minidolls sell well to girls. If they want to sell fantasy to girls (again), I imagine they'd use minidolls again. 

If they are doing a new minifigure based fantasy theme, I'd expect them to use both male and female characters in the important roles so it appeals to both boys and girls.

I'm not saying they would do it.  LionKing said that he would like to see a female centered minifig theme with fantasy creatures and I was saying they did something similar already just with minidolls being the Elves theme.  

[RichardGoring]

The curious thing about a fantasy castle line is that it would probably be amazing, but sell poorly. Monkie Kid and Dreamzzz both generally have fabulous looking sets and wonderful builds, but they don't sell that well, as they're trying to carve out something new, and making a market is harder than catering to one that already exists. I love the idea of some really creative fantasy sets, but flanked by LOTR and D&D, they would either be too close to it, so you might as well use the market power that those licenses have, or do something really creatively different, at which point lots of people will complain that it's not classic castle, LOTR, or D&D.

I would like it to happen to see the creativity, but I suspect it won't because of the numbers.

[Lion King]

6 hours ago, Blazej_Holen said:

Would it be still CASTLE though? I think that this is rather some fantasy / DnD like theme . Castle should be about knights, villagers, maxbe some fantasy bits like dragons or wizards but thats about it IMHO.

Yeah so what? I mean your quesiton is kinda silly to ask if you are into Fantasty Era or you like Elves.. it would be amazing to see molded fantasty creatures in new Fanstasy Era or minifigure-version Elves. 

I don’t agree with @Sacepolice98 on “too mulch is too much”. 

2 hours ago, zoth33 said:

I'm not saying they would do it.  LionKing said that he would like to see a female centered minifig theme with fantasy creatures and I was saying they did something similar already just with minidolls being the Elves theme.  

Correct. 

Edited May 4 by Lion King

[Agent Kallus]

6 hours ago, Blazej_Holen said:

Would it be still CASTLE though? I think that this is rather some fantasy / DnD like theme . Castle should be about knights, villagers, maxbe some fantasy bits like dragons or wizards but thats about it IMHO.

Fantasy Era was just straight up called 'Castle' and it's what I grew up with (and Kingdoms).  It had a pretty standard human knight faction for all the classic fans and then mixed it up by having the undead skeletons, the Troll army and the Dwarves. Best of both worlds IMO.

[SpacePolice89]

6 hours ago, Agent Kallus said:

Fantasy Era was just straight up called 'Castle' and it's what I grew up with (and Kingdoms).  It had a pretty standard human knight faction for all the classic fans and then mixed it up by having the undead skeletons, the Troll army and the Dwarves. Best of both worlds IMO.

While I personally have little interest in non human factions I see why people like them. I think that the best solution would bee to alternate between more traditional Castle factions and fantasy factions. Maybe a couple of years with factions like Kingdoms had and then switch to fantasy era like factions for a couple of years. That would also keep everything fresh. 

[GeoBrick]

1 hour ago, SpacePolice89 said:

While I personally have little interest in non human factions I see why people like them. I think that the best solution would bee to alternate between more traditional Castle factions and fantasy factions. Maybe a couple of years with factions like Kingdoms had and then switch to fantasy era like factions for a couple of years. That would also keep everything fresh. 

That works for kinda patient adults, but not really for the age group these kind of sets are meant:  children. By the time in such a setup waves have switched from one to the other type, they've grown beyond.

[Roebuck]

11 hours ago, Black Falcon said:

Well we had the chance to get more Raven-Knights, but apparently people prefer new stuff. So I would say, there is a chance that popular CMFs get another version sometime but overall CMFs will have less chance for it than actual old Lego factions for sure.

I find it unlikely that Raven-knights ended up on 3 place, my guess would be minimum second place. Of course I could be wrong since I am biased and voted for them, but did Lego ever say the ones with most votes would win or something like "we will take the voting into consideration", "vote for the one you want in the set" or similar?
I have hope that they plan to include a Raven-knight in a upcoming set or similar

[SpacePolice89]

38 minutes ago, GeoBrick said:

That works for kinda patient adults, but not really for the age group these kind of sets are meant:  children. By the time in such a setup waves have switched from one to the other type, they've grown beyond.

If both subthemes are well made play themes I see no problem with that since most kids like Lego between ages 4-12 and can experience several subthemes during their childhood. When I was 11-12 years old and on 6th grade almost everyone was still into Lego but then most of my classmates stopped liking Lego over the summer. Maybe because we had to go to junior high and there the mentality was very different, only I and a couple of friends continued to be interested in Lego. Even if some kids stops liking Lego earlier they still have a solid six year period when they can experience different subthemes. 

[Blazej_Holen]

10 hours ago, Lion King said:

Yeah so what? I mean your quesiton is kinda silly to ask if you are into Fantasty Era or you like Elves.. it would be amazing to see molded fantasty creatures in new Fanstasy Era or minifigure-version Elves. 

I don’t agree with @Sacepolice98 on “too mulch is too much”. 

Correct. 

Is it silly? 

The Castle theme started as a medieval theme with King Richard, Robin Hood, Black Monarch, and other characters who were (depending on country where the sets were released) based on historical characters... Then Dragon Masters brought dragons (followed by Fright Knights) and Wizards / Witches, but that was about it. 

Only Fantasy Era was more fantastical...I remember that I thought that Lego get inspired by Warhammer Old World then :) Then it was again just "Kingdoms" with two factions fighting over Kingdom and also villagers, farmers etc. The "Blue Lion Knights" against Dragoon knights brought dragon and evil wizard again. But no elves, no dwarves, no unicorns or dark phoenixes, ogres or whatever. 

 

This is the reason why Castle is considered more as a medieval theme rather than fantasy one. I am all in if Lego decides to make fantastical theme, or maybe conntinue with DnD, since this is pretty much the theme that can bring you those kinda characters. (wizards, elves, goblins, dwarves, hobbits, druids...). But butchering the Castle with it is something I dont like. 

1 hour ago, Roebuck said:

I find it unlikely that Raven-knights ended up on 3 place, my guess would be minimum second place. Of course I could be wrong since I am biased and voted for them, but did Lego ever say the ones with most votes would win or something like "we will take the voting into consideration", "vote for the one you want in the set" or similar?
I have hope that they plan to include a Raven-knight in a upcoming set or similar

I am not into Raven Knigts, but I liked that torso style.. no emblem, just colours, interesting and medieval-faithfull design.This is something we need more than new factions which are basically the same as the previous ones, except colours. 

3 hours ago, SpacePolice89 said:

While I personally have little interest in non human factions I see why people like them. I think that the best solution would bee to alternate between more traditional Castle factions and fantasy factions. Maybe a couple of years with factions like Kingdoms had and then switch to fantasy era like factions for a couple of years. That would also keep everything fresh. 

Agree :)

[MAB]

2 hours ago, GeoBrick said:

That works for kinda patient adults, but not really for the age group these kind of sets are meant:  children. By the time in such a setup waves have switched from one to the other type, they've grown beyond.

It doesn't need to be that complicated. Human faction 1 in a set, human faction 2 in a set, fantasy faction in a set. You could even have 1+2, 1+F, 2+F and 1+2+F in sets. The user can decide who fights who. If an adult only wants humans, they can buy the relevant sets. 

[thewatchman]

Why would anyone not want elf’s and goblins?

 Any variety for fantasy builds is great. Anyone pointing at kingdom sets selling bad or performing badly is probably more due to the horrific set design of the early 2000s in all non licensed themes.

[SpacePolice89]

2 hours ago, thewatchman said:

Why would anyone not want elf’s and goblins?

For me it's not something I can relate to. I have always liked castles, knights and dragons but elves and goblins feels very foreign and too unrealistic for me. I like having some fantasy elements in sets like a single ghost or dragon but not whole subthemes based on fantasy creatures. 

Edited May 5 by SpacePolice89

[Lion King]

2 hours ago, thewatchman said:

Why would anyone not want elf’s and goblins?

 Any variety for fantasy builds is great. Anyone pointing at kingdom sets selling bad or performing badly is probably more due to the horrific set design of the early 2000s in all non licensed themes.

Yeah, exactly. I like how fantasty diveristy in Castle sphere.   But what about Nexo Knights  tho? The recent Castle theme did have a few fantasty creatures and some weird t mech like ninjago  theme. 

Regardless, I always want to see human minifiugres coexistinfwith fantasy creatures (elves, dwarves, mermaids, unicorns, griffins, phoenixes, dragons, fairies, etc)… more imaginations to play. 

20 minutes ago, SpacePolice89 said:

For me it's not something I can relate to. I have always liked castles, knights and dragons but elves and goblins feels very foreign and too unrealistic for me. I like having some fantasy elements in sets like a single ghost or dragon but not whole subthemes based on fantasy creatures. 

Nope, i strongly disagree with you if i think dragon is part of fanstasy world then there should be elves or goblins or dwarves. Take a look at Fantasy Era, Viking and Elves.  

I imagine human knights exploring other realms (elves’ forest or goblins’ crystal-glowing caves or mermaids’ cove or dragons’ mountains.  I have no idea what you define “fantasy” in your own head. 

[SpacePolice89]

1 hour ago, Lion King said:

Nope, i strongly disagree with you if i think dragon is part of fanstasy world then there should be elves or goblins or dwarves. Take a look at Fantasy Era, Viking and Elves.  

I imagine human knights exploring other realms (elves’ forest or goblins’ crystal-glowing caves or mermaids’ cove or dragons’ mountains.  I have no idea what you define “fantasy” in your own head.

Of course a dragon is fantasy. I wasn't clear enough, sorry. I prefer sets with minor fantasy elements such as one or two dragon, ghost or wizard. I only mentioned dragons because I like them and in sets with dragons often the dragon is the only fantasy element.

[Blazej_Holen]

2 hours ago, Lion King said:

Yeah, exactly. I like how fantasty diveristy in Castle sphere.   But what about Nexo Knights  tho? The recent Castle theme did have a few fantasty creatures and some weird t mech like ninjago  theme. 

Regardless, I always want to see human minifiugres coexistinfwith fantasy creatures (elves, dwarves, mermaids, unicorns, griffins, phoenixes, dragons, fairies, etc)… more imaginations to play. 

Nope, i strongly disagree with you if i think dragon is part of fanstasy world then there should be elves or goblins or dwarves. Take a look at Fantasy Era, Viking and Elves.  

I imagine human knights exploring other realms (elves’ forest or goblins’ crystal-glowing caves or mermaids’ cove or dragons’ mountains.  I have no idea what you define “fantasy” in your own head. 

And again, why have them in Castle theme which could (and should) be focused mainly on knights and kingoms while we can have a separate fantasy theme such as DnD? 

[CallMeCarbiz]

2 hours ago, Lion King said:

But what about Nexo Knights  tho?

 

While I would prefer to have a more classic castle, I'm starving for smaller sets and would take a fantasy theme that could use yellow heads.

[DonQuixote]

7 hours ago, thewatchman said:

Why would anyone not want elf’s and goblins?

I don't even know what goblins are and I don't know how they are called in Dutch, my native language. Elves are little flying creatures from Peter Pan. But goblins? No idea. 

[zoth33]

10 hours ago, Blazej_Holen said:

Is it silly? 

The Castle theme started as a medieval theme with King Richard, Robin Hood, Black Monarch, and other characters who were (depending on country where the sets were released) based on historical characters... Then Dragon Masters brought dragons (followed by Fright Knights) and Wizards / Witches, but that was about it. 

Only Fantasy Era was more fantastical...I remember that I thought that Lego get inspired by Warhammer Old World then :) Then it was again just "Kingdoms" with two factions fighting over Kingdom and also villagers, farmers etc. The "Blue Lion Knights" against Dragoon knights brought dragon and evil wizard again. But no elves, no dwarves, no unicorns or dark phoenixes, ogres or whatever. 

 

This is the reason why Castle is considered more as a medieval theme rather than fantasy one. I am all in if Lego decides to make fantastical theme, or maybe conntinue with DnD, since this is pretty much the theme that can bring you those kinda characters. (wizards, elves, goblins, dwarves, hobbits, druids...). But butchering the Castle with it is something I dont like. 

I am not into Raven Knigts, but I liked that torso style.. no emblem, just colours, interesting and medieval-faithfull design.This is something we need more than new factions which are basically the same as the previous ones, except colours. 

Agree :)

I don't understand this view that if I don't like it it shouldn't be in castle theme.  Lego has to connect with a lot of different people all across the world it's not just what you want.  Yeah there may be things you don't like in a theme but lego has to try to appeal to people all over the world so it is ok to have things that are a little different and may not fit into your view of what the castle theme is.  I mean realistically the lego castle theme isn't real anyway it's all made up and not based on real life.  Variety in castle is good.  I wasn't a huge fan of the 2013 castle line but bought several sets for the figs and pieces to add to my castle/fantasy lego world.  It's ok to not like something that's in the castle theme but to expect other people to view castle exactly how you do isn't goin to work.  Each person has their own view of what the castle theme is and that is perfectly fine and good.  

15 minutes ago, DonQuixote said:

I don't even know what goblins are and I don't know how they are called in Dutch, my native language. Elves are little flying creatures from Peter Pan. But goblins? No idea. 

That is a fairy not an elf.  

Elves are like humans with point ears most of the time depending on the creators and they usually live a very long time.  They also usually tend to be one with nature and the land.  

There are also dark elves that are more evil.  

goblins are like orcs but smaller.   Of course this isn't everything elves and goblins are but these are some generalities.  

3 hours ago, Blazej_Holen said:

And again, why have them in Castle theme which could (and should) be focused mainly on knights and kingoms while we can have a separate fantasy theme such as DnD? 

This is a very closed minded view of things and once again it's all in what you want when there are millions of lego castle fans out there.  

[GeoBrick]

47 minutes ago, DonQuixote said:

I don't even know what goblins are and I don't know how they are called in Dutch, my native language. Elves are little flying creatures from Peter Pan. But goblins? No idea. 

Kobold. (een soort kwaadaardig aardmannetje/trol)

[DonQuixote]

12 minutes ago, GeoBrick said:

Kobold. (een soort kwaadaardig aardmannetje/trol)

Ok.

50 minutes ago, zoth33 said:

 

That is a fairy not an elf.  

Elves are like humans with point ears most of the time depending on the creators and they usually live a very long time.  They also usually tend to be one with nature and the land.  

There are also dark elves that are more evil.  

goblins are like orcs but smaller.   Of course this isn't everything elves and goblins are but these are some generalities.  

This is a very closed minded view of things and once again it's all in what you want when there are millions of lego castle fans out there.  

Oh yes fairies. Completely forgotten about that.

So Mr Spock and Legolas are both elves according your definition 

I thought that elves were some Icelandic folklore/myth.

And they live underneath small stacked stones in Iceland.

Saw it on a documentary about Iceland. 

Yes I have seen the lord of the rings and my god, is that first movie boring. 3 hours of walking and talking and than the movie ends. 

But it is hard to follow if you don't know all that lore and all those species.

And the story is....boring as well. Sorry guys I am more into Game of Thrones. The only thing I really liked about Lord of the Rings was Gimly. And those other dwarves. But that was the Hobbit. 

Sorry if I hurt someone feelings...

This is the forum for die hard classic Castle fans.

And that's why I voted Griffin knights. Their shield's design screams classic Castle. 

 

[DonQuixote]

16 minutes ago, DonQuixote said:

Ok.

Oh yes fairies. Completely forgotten about that.

So Mr Spock and Legolas are both elves according your definition 

I thought that elves were some Icelandic folklore/myth.

And they live underneath small stacked stones in Iceland.

Saw it on a documentary about Iceland. 

Yes I have seen the lord of the rings and my god, is that first movie boring. 3 hours of walking and talking and than the movie ends. 

But it is hard to follow if you don't know all that lore and all those species.

And the story is....boring as well. Sorry guys I am more into Game of Thrones. The only thing I really liked about Lord of the Rings was Gimly. And those other dwarves. But that was the Hobbit. 

Sorry if I hurt someone feelings...

This is the forum for die hard classic Castle fans.

And that's why I voted Griffin knights. Their shield's design screams classic Castle. 

 

 

[Black Falcon]

15 hours ago, SpacePolice89 said:

While I personally have little interest in non human factions I see why people like them. I think that the best solution would bee to alternate between more traditional Castle factions and fantasy factions. Maybe a couple of years with factions like Kingdoms had and then switch to fantasy era like factions for a couple of years. That would also keep everything fresh. 

Well, if we look back at fantasy era and their sets, most of those sets were either focused on one faction, with 1 to 3 minifigs of another faction as opponent. So we had a castle with Knights and three Skeletons and Dragon - a Dwarfen Mine with one Troll and two Orks, the Troll fortress etc. And then some sets that focused on wo factions like the tower raid and skeletton ship attack. And I would say that sets like the Castle for instance would also be usefull for castle fans - and lets not forget the medieval market village here ;).

But ure you would be missing a second (castle)faction, but if we take a look at most of the recents factions we got, Kingdoms really stands out there as it is the only second faction for a long time, that isn´t designed to just look like the evil guys wearing all black etc -even though, you still see they are meant to be the evil guys if you take a closer look on the sets.

14 hours ago, GeoBrick said:

That works for kinda patient adults, but not really for the age group these kind of sets are meant:  children. By the time in such a setup waves have switched from one to the other type, they've grown beyond.

Kids would probably care the least that there are dwarves and other factions included though. While some adults care about realistic castle worlds, most kids would prefer a set with a dragon included IMO.

13 hours ago, Roebuck said:

I find it unlikely that Raven-knights ended up on 3 place, my guess would be minimum second place. Of course I could be wrong since I am biased and voted for them, but did Lego ever say the ones with most votes would win or something like "we will take the voting into consideration", "vote for the one you want in the set" or similar?
I have hope that they plan to include a Raven-knight in a upcoming set or similar

Well I´ve seen votes on fan blogs that had the exact same results as we are getting for the price machine - though of course that hasn´t have to mean anything. But in the end they want to sell their sets, and the vote is to see what people want to have, so I don´t think it is that likely they have choosen something else than the most voted options.

12 hours ago, Blazej_Holen said:

This is the reason why Castle is considered more as a medieval theme rather than fantasy one.

Who says this? As said before most castle waves had fantasy elements and so far I have never seen anyone claiming fantasy era or fright knights wouldn´t be castle - actually the official name for Fantasy Era was even castle. ;)

12 hours ago, Blazej_Holen said:

I am all in if Lego decides to make fantastical theme, or maybe conntinue with DnD, since this is pretty much the theme that can bring you those kinda characters. (wizards, elves, goblins, dwarves, hobbits, druids...). But butchering the Castle with it is something I dont like. 

They won´t make two castle themes at the same time anyways, no matter if the other one is licensed or not. And in the end castle is just a word, I wouldn´t take this to serious, of course you don´t have to like if they would make such sets, but butchering is kinda a hard word here ;).