ArrowBricks Posted January 26 Posted January 26 I think Lego haven’t gone all out for the MTT figures, which is a shame and is becoming a common theme. Add a Tactical Droid and it becomes 9.5/10, minimum, on paper. Obviously, in practice Aayla’s eyes and Bly’s clone design will have obvious shortcomings. Quote
CallumPears Posted January 26 Posted January 26 6 minutes ago, ArrowBricks said: I think Lego haven’t gone all out for the MTT figures, which is a shame and is becoming a common theme. Add a Tactical Droid and it becomes 9.5/10, minimum, on paper. Obviously, in practice Aayla’s eyes and Bly’s clone design will have obvious shortcomings. Yep, all of this Quote
CloneCommando99 Posted January 26 Posted January 26 31 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said: Exactly. We have precious few slots and most of them are going to Clones My inner Pong Krell is about to be awakened. About to? Mine already has, Quote
BrickBob Studpants Posted January 26 Posted January 26 (edited) 28 minutes ago, ArrowBricks said: Add a Tactical Droid and it becomes 9.5/10, minimum, on paper. Nah. With a Tactical Droid, it‘d have been a solid 7. Add Wat Tambor, then we‘d be in 9+ territory! As it stands, it‘s a 5/10 for me. Burn me at the stake for my blasphemy, Clone Bros, but Bly and Aayla should‘ve been in the 327th set instead. At $40, it‘s not a BP anyway 8 minutes ago, CloneCommando99 said: About to? Mine already has, There‘s still one unknown set. At this point, I wouldn‘t be surprised if it was another Clone ship Then my wrath will be fully unleashed. Edited January 26 by BrickBob Studpants Quote
Mandalorianknight Posted January 26 Posted January 26 1 hour ago, BrickBob Studpants said: Plo, yes, Death Troopers, no. I don‘t count reintroduced moulds that are virtually identical as new. And even so, the last few years would still wipe the floor with 2025 I mean if you're talking about an effect on the budget, like you mentioned with the possibility that their budget was slashed, it doesn't really matter what you subjectively count it as because objectively if the mold is retired for all intents and purposes reintroducing the piece is a new set of physical molds that will still cost money to produce. The expensive part isn't the CAD modeling. 17 minutes ago, CloneCommando99 said: About to? Mine already has, After the most turbo tank leak I'm wondering if I treated the clones to harshly. At least they're present in continuity material. Seriously, sig and dev have to be the worst possible outcome. They aren't canon, they aren't part of the legends continuity, they're humans, they're re-uses. The best thing you can say is that you can use some of Dev's parts for an inquisitor custom. At least Bob had some level of nostalgia factor. 11 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said: There‘s still one unknown set. At this point, I wouldn‘t be surprised if it was another Clone ship Then my wrath will be fully unleashed. After the monkey's paw "you don't want the turbo tank to be another clone set? Fine, it comes with lego OCs, and not even cool ones", I've decided the remaining set has to be a buildable ackbar trooper. Quote
BrickBob Studpants Posted January 26 Posted January 26 15 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said: I mean if you're talking about an effect on the budget, like you mentioned with the possibility that their budget was slashed, it doesn't really matter what you subjectively count it as because objectively if the mold is retired for all intents and purposes reintroducing the piece is a new set of physical molds that will still cost money to produce. The expensive part isn't the CAD modeling. I completely forgot about my own budget argument when I said reintroduced parts didn’t count. The Clone rage must‘ve scrambled my brain But even if you do count them, the number still pales in comparison. Last year saw the return of many pieces in the Sailbarge, and the years before we also had returning pieces, like the Gamorrean in 2022. Anyway, as I said before, the number of new pieces is obviously not the main indicator for how good a wave is. After all, the 2HY sets of 2021 were great despite a low number of them! The way I see it, it just makes an already disappointing wave even less special. But now that we do have a clearer picture of what to expect, I‘ll try to focus on the positives Quote
CallumPears Posted January 26 Posted January 26 51 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said: After the most turbo tank leak I'm wondering if I treated the clones to harshly. At least they're present in continuity material. Seriously, sig and dev have to be the worst possible outcome. They aren't canon, they aren't part of the legends continuity, they're humans, they're re-uses. The best thing you can say is that you can use some of Dev's parts for an inquisitor custom. At least Bob had some level of nostalgia factor. Yeah personally I do not care at all about any of the LEGO OC characters. Same goes for the Freemakers and so on in the past, but at least then there were enough other sets out to compensate for those slots. If they made Skrilling, Snivvian, etc. OC characters then maybe I'd view it differently. Quote
JohnTPT17 Posted January 26 Posted January 26 I'm fine with some Lego OC characters, personally. At worst, they can be repurposed into generic rebel or resistance soldiers, or possibly generic background civilians in spaceports or whatnot. There's also possibly something to be said about having more skin tone variety with characters, and the Freemakers and Greeblings both provide some variety in the tan spectrum that isn't seen super often (besides clones or Mando, but they're both helmeted). Maybe if I was more of a "purist" I'd feel differently, but Star Wars has all kinds of background one-second aliens that have entire Wookiepedia articles dedicated to them - a few Lego OCs shouldn't be much more offensive than Cantina aliens. 1 hour ago, Mandalorianknight said: they're re-uses We don't know that for sure - the Freemakers got outfit changes between seasons 1 and 2, so there's a chance the Greeblings could get new outfits as well. And as far as the time for a new tactical droid goes - I agree that the iron is hot for them to come back, especially since we have the new, stronger tall droid legs with the updated B2s. They've been in several different shows recently, and the mold isn't super complicated, and based on their Bricklink prices, they'd be a set seller by themselves. Quote
Mandalorianknight Posted January 26 Posted January 26 1 hour ago, CallumPears said: Yeah personally I do not care at all about any of the LEGO OC characters. Same goes for the Freemakers and so on in the past, but at least then there were enough other sets out to compensate for those slots. If they made Skrilling, Snivvian, etc. OC characters then maybe I'd view it differently. Yeah, they're ALWAYS human. The way I see it, you've got characters like Jedi Bob and Rebel friend who have some level of meme status, which is by default unable to be recreated by lego. You cannot manufacture another one of them because they weren't intended as lego OCs, bob was just a random filler jedi and Rebel Friend was just so there was another blaster character availible. (I think it's almost important to note that they wear the "uniforms" of their respective factions.) Jek has some notoriety because he at least had a unique design, although I personally could not care less about him. He's lego's edgy OC, he's not interesting for anything aside from potentially inspiring Dagan Gera's second phase in jedi survivor. And yeah exactly that's the other issue. Every lego OC has been human or a droid, aside from Naare, who was near-human, and the Ackbar Trooper, which I don't think anyone is really going to stick up for. 1 hour ago, JohnTPT17 said: I'm fine with some Lego OC characters, personally. At worst, they can be repurposed into generic rebel or resistance soldiers, or possibly generic background civilians in spaceports or whatnot. There's also possibly something to be said about having more skin tone variety with characters, and the Freemakers and Greeblings both provide some variety in the tan spectrum that isn't seen super often (besides clones or Mando, but they're both helmeted). Maybe if I was more of a "purist" I'd feel differently, but Star Wars has all kinds of background one-second aliens that have entire Wookiepedia articles dedicated to them - a few Lego OCs shouldn't be much more offensive than Cantina aliens. We don't know that for sure - the Freemakers got outfit changes between seasons 1 and 2, so there's a chance the Greeblings could get new outfits as well. I have a few points here, aside from all the ones I mentioned above. When I buy a lego star wars set, a major part of the reason I'm purchasing it is because I have love for the story and vehicle or location represented. If this were a new in-house action theme I would not be buying any sets. Lego OCs fundamentally break this by not being from star wars in the traditional sense, but just random new people lego's decided to plop into sets. Regardless of whether or not you believe attempting to create a variety in skin tones should be a major criteria for lego when deciding which minifigures to include, as has been covered here recently, lego has no issue throwing different skin tones onto generic grunts. Alternatively, and the method I'd prefer, they could just give us canon characters, many of whom are currently not readily available, such as Lando's blue or general costume, or Mon Mothma, or what have you. But I'd take either method over "lets make characters up" The third issue is yeah- they look like generic background civilians, and specifically human ones. If they DID look like cantina aliens, it'd at least be something- they might not represent a specific character, but at least now we have a new aqualish, or trandoshan, or what have you. I don't think the duros- whether or not it's a jedi cad bane- is as bad as the other two because at least Duros are a star wars species and a little harder to get than, you know, humans. Characters like Child Han (I'm gonna count him as an OC for the purpose of this- Han exists, but we've never seen that age in canon, this is essentially just some random kid) or the Freemakers or the hero OCs from this one don't even provide that. Sure. I suppose it's possible they change their outfits. That wouldn't really improve much for me. TLDR I want to have star wars characters in my star wars sets. I don't think it ends the world, but it is funny to me that I and others were thinking "maybe it's not clone based maybe we'll get something interesting" and lego curled the monkey's paw and went "more generic OC's!" Quote
CallumPears Posted January 27 Posted January 27 2 hours ago, JohnTPT17 said: possibly generic background civilians in spaceports or whatnot A possible issue there is that some of them have big logos on them which seriously limit reusability. Thankfully the RTG figures don't, but some of the Freemakers had the triangle-with-a-red-minifig-hand logo on them which to me was just completely unnecessary and ruined the overall designs. (Especially for the 2nd version of Rowan whose torso would've otherwise been perfect for a custom Captain Antilles, at a time when he was a rare character, if not for the huge logo on his back.) Same as how a lot of unlicensed sets have figures which could be used in a bunch of settings but then they're ruined by having some huge logo. E.g. the volcano explorers from a few years ago had great outfits but then they just had to go and stamp a big dumb cartoon volcano picture on the back of most of them, or the Fantasy-era crown knights (e.g. cas406) reusing the scale mail Viking torso (e.g. vik003) but this time with a big cartoon crown logo so unlike with the Viking ones I can't use them for custom figures for LotR etc. But yeah for the RTG figures at least they haven't done that. And another nice thing is that they don't have any skin showing around the neck which also makes the parts more versatile for other races/species. Making human heads of varying skin tones available isn't really a draw to me though since as Mandalorianknight mentioned we already have plenty of those popping up now with the way they're doing Stormtroopers, and personally I tend to bulk out my PaB orders by sticking in a few dozen random heads from the huge selection they have on there at 20p each. Would much rather have aliens, especially like the ones I mentioned before since those species have never been made at all (a duros is still kinda disappointing since they've been made for Cad Bane and the generic BF Rebel one, but still better than a human). It still ultimately comes down to there just not being enough sets with minifigures for me to justify them wasting the slot of what could be, say, a set with a bunch of Jabba's guards or something from Bespin with Lando. Quote
Lordhelmet Posted January 27 Posted January 27 6 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said: But even if you do count them, the number still pales in comparison. Last year saw the return of many pieces in the Sailbarge, and the years before we also had returning pieces, like the Gamorrean in 2022. What are the current counts for 2025? Quote
CloneCommando99 Posted January 27 Posted January 27 (edited) All this talk about Lego OCs has made me realise, that the fact that we’re getting both a millennium falcon polybag and a Buildable B1 battle droid means we’re finally going to be able to recreate the Kaiju Battldroid fight from Droid Tales. 7 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said: Jek has some notoriety because he at least had a unique design, although I personally could not care less about him. He's lego's edgy OC, he's not interesting for anything aside from potentially inspiring Dagan Gera's second phase in jedi survivor. I would love a modernised Jek figure. Jedi Bob, Rowan Freemaker and Jek-14 team up would be legendary. Not even the First Spinjitzu Master could compete with such forces of creation. Here’s hoping for RTG S2. Edited January 27 by CloneCommando99 Quote
BrickBob Studpants Posted January 27 Posted January 27 (edited) 4 hours ago, Lordhelmet said: What are the current counts for 2025? Currently in sets: 1 (Phase 2 Clone Pilot helmet, last seen in 2014) Strongly rumoured: 1 (Death Trooper helmet, last seen in 2017) Very likely: 3 (K2’s torso & head and Ventress‘ lightsabers, both last seen in 2016, plus Ki-adi Mundi‘s cranium, AWOL since 2018) Edited January 27 by BrickBob Studpants Quote
Swordy Posted January 27 Posted January 27 (edited) 14 hours ago, CallumPears said: Not necessarily: P2 Bly and Aayla are most prominent in RotS where their only scene has them facing off against a line of droid vehicles including tan AATs, and earlier in the movie we see a brown MTT. Of course, we're already pretty confident it is the blue/grey version anyway but I wouldn't say this is evidence either way. Fair point. All I remembered from that scene was the AT-OTs and that pretty blue leaf George used to hide Bly’s massacre. Now my hopes for a brown MTT have gone up a slight. 16 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said: See, and this is the thing- I normally love synergy between sets. But this is a $40 battle pack. Not good. Yeah, and what annoys me is I guarantee you at least part of the reason for the color change was to put a clone in it, but they used brown MTTs during the clone wars. It's been shown in a game lego's made multiple sets for, one as recently as 2023! I don’t know if this can even be called synergy, although it’s hard to gauge in this case. Synergy is easier to gauge when, in the case of the 2022 AT-TE, we could’ve had a 212th BP on Utapu and a Wheelbike vs Obi-Wan’s Lizard (no disrespect to her). The Battle of Felucia isn’t as interesting in the movie as the Battle of Utapu, so the options for multiple sets is limited. To put Bly and Secura in a separate set speaks more of padding the lineup than crossover potential. I am getting incredibly nitpicky, though. To be absolutely fair, (and in case LEGO is reading—hi) while a brown MTT is far more interesting to me build-wise, I still ultimately would’ve preferred TPM characters over more clones. A Jar Jar and Obi-Wan or Padme or Tarpals would’ve more intriguing to me personally. Then again, it’d also guarantee a brown MTT—although they could always make a blue MTT based off one of TCW episodes on Naboo and give the people Gungans that way. (Why I am advocating for Gungans I haven’t the foggiest clue…) 17 hours ago, Tariq j said: Reading the figure list for the MTT sort of makes me wish it was based of TPM instead. As well as the droids we could’ve got Boss Nass, Captain Panaka, Padmé etc. Shoutout for beating me to the lunch. Agreed. On 1/26/2025 at 1:50 AM, THELEGOBATMAN said: Not sure why no one mentioned it yet, but fateful also posted more information about 75414—it's a Rebuild the Galaxy set after all. Comes with Sig Greebling, Dev Greebling, and a Duros. If you listen closely, you can hear the sound of an easy pass nearby. These easy passes are native to LEGO’s ignorant attempts at profiting off their OC shows. I’ve been thinking about this for a while: I firmly believe that the RTG sets should’ve been cut down to the Dark Falcon and Bob’s SF—cut the generic Rebel and Akbar Trooper, throw L3-G0 in the Dark Falcon if need be, and put Sig and Yesi in Bob’s SF. Distills the heroes and villains to one ship only, keeps the essential characters while removing those which are superfluous, and I believe shows a better gauge on the desirability of the show’s characters. On 1/26/2025 at 2:33 AM, CloneCommando99 said: More money to go watch Superman I guess. Facts. Hopefully his box office numbers fly (like a bee). At this point, there might be enough money saved from this year alone that I could buy the $1,000 DS. Maybe that was their plan all along. Edited January 27 by Swordy Quote
BrickBob Studpants Posted January 27 Posted January 27 18 minutes ago, Swordy said: Now my hopes for a brown MTT have gone up a slight. The leakers have hinted at it having the blue TCW colour scheme from the beginning, so there‘s little to no hope Quote
Tariq j Posted January 27 Posted January 27 12 hours ago, CallumPears said: Yeah personally I do not care at all about any of the LEGO OC characters. Same goes for the Freemakers and so on in the past, but at least then there were enough other sets out to compensate for those slots. If they made Skrilling, Snivvian, etc. OC characters then maybe I'd view it differently. Yeah, the Freemakers sets and indeed the Yoda Chronicles sets also came with some pretty cool figures too. YC gave us the first(?) Ithorian mould and the first RA-7 protocol droid. And Freemakers gave us characters like Dengar and Quarrie. I do think RTG could have followed a little more in those themes’ footsteps and given us SW alien we haven’t seen before like a Bothan or something. Or a character we haven’t seen in a while like Zam Wessell or Count Dooku or whatever. Quote
saibot Posted January 27 Posted January 27 1 hour ago, BrickBob Studpants said: The leakers have hinted at it having the blue TCW colour scheme from the beginning, so there‘s little to no hope I dunno if there is a situation anymore where they can suit every need, color/figures/scale/price/which movie or tv franchise. For me I'd like the tcw color scheme, it will go well with the recent aat's and tri-droids. Its the scale that I'm worried about, it could end up carrying the same amount of droids as last years gwp. I'm looking at my At-Ot and now working out the cheapest way to fill this with Bly & 20 x 327th's in and around it. I'm curious aswell to see what color the 327th will go with, the original ones back in 2007 had bright light orange, they then used that color for the 212th in the Umbarran set, and later switched 212th to orange. Quote
BrickBob Studpants Posted January 27 Posted January 27 Now that we know more about the minifigs, I wonder if the 327th BP is based on TCW or RotS. Not that it matters overall, but I display the TCW sets in a different section of my room than the PT sets Before, I was sure it goes with the RotS stuff, but now? The packaging won‘t help much either since all Clone stuff has the same branding, regardless of origin… Quote
Mandalorianknight Posted January 27 Posted January 27 (edited) 6 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said: Currently in sets: 1 (Phase 2 Clone Pilot helmet, last seen in 2014) Strongly rumoured: 1 (Death Trooper helmet, last seen in 2017) Very likely: 3 (K2’s torso & head and Ventress‘ lightsabers, both last seen in 2016, plus Ki-adi Mundi‘s cranium, AWOL since 2018) I think we can add Ahsoka's head-tails to currently in sets, Plo's head to strongly rumored and molds for Bacara's helmet and potentially a P1 pilot to "very likely", or at least somewhat likely. Still not a great year, but I think the number of new molds that are reviving old ones account for a chunk of it. 4 hours ago, Swordy said: I don’t know if this can even be called synergy, although it’s hard to gauge in this case. Synergy is easier to gauge when, in the case of the 2022 AT-TE, we could’ve had a 212th BP on Utapu and a Wheelbike vs Obi-Wan’s Lizard (no disrespect to her). The Battle of Felucia isn’t as interesting in the movie as the Battle of Utapu, so the options for multiple sets is limited. To put Bly and Secura in a separate set speaks more of padding the lineup than crossover potential. I am getting incredibly nitpicky, though. To be absolutely fair, (and in case LEGO is reading—hi) while a brown MTT is far more interesting to me build-wise, I still ultimately would’ve preferred TPM characters over more clones. A Jar Jar and Obi-Wan or Padme or Tarpals would’ve more intriguing to me personally. Then again, it’d also guarantee a brown MTT—although they could always make a blue MTT based off one of TCW episodes on Naboo and give the people Gungans that way. (Why I am advocating for Gungans I haven’t the foggiest clue…) Yeah that's absolutely fair. I could see the argument for that, I meant moreso that lego would rather get more clones out there, hence the color change. 4 hours ago, Tariq j said: Yeah, the Freemakers sets and indeed the Yoda Chronicles sets also came with some pretty cool figures too. YC gave us the first(?) Ithorian mould and the first RA-7 protocol droid. And Freemakers gave us characters like Dengar and Quarrie. I do think RTG could have followed a little more in those themes’ footsteps and given us SW alien we haven’t seen before like a Bothan or something. Or a character we haven’t seen in a while like Zam Wessell or Count Dooku or whatever. Yeah, exactly. The best RTG figures have been ones like Jedi Vader and Darth Rey, who are from something, or ones like Darth Jar Jar who are at least a spin on a real character. 3 hours ago, saibot said: I dunno if there is a situation anymore where they can suit every need, color/figures/scale/price/which movie or tv franchise. For me I'd like the tcw color scheme, it will go well with the recent aat's and tri-droids. Its the scale that I'm worried about, it could end up carrying the same amount of droids as last years gwp. That is the issue. They can't remake things like this fast enough to get multiple color schemes in in a decade anymore, due to the sheer number of ships/vehicles/playsets that can be made at that price point with all the content there now is. Obviously with this one, you're making everyone who'd rather have the more iconic color scheme a bit disappointed, whereas with the other, you're doing so for anyone who wanted the new color scheme. We've seen the opposite with how we get Boba's Slave One over Jango's all the time. It's a difficult situation. I wonder if they'd be able to recolor sets for limited release, though I guess that would probably have production costs high enough that it wouldn't be worth it. Edited January 27 by Mandalorianknight Quote
BrickBob Studpants Posted January 27 Posted January 27 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said: I think we can add Ahsoka's head-tails to currently in sets, Plo's head to strongly rumored and molds for Bacara's helmet and potentially a P1 pilot to "very likely", or at least somewhat likely. That list was just for revived parts TCW Ahsoka‘s updated head-tails piece uses the same mould as the Mandoverse one tho, they didn‘t revive the 2008 piece Edited January 27 by BrickBob Studpants Quote
TeddytheSpoon Posted January 27 Posted January 27 10 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said: I wonder if they'd be able to recolor sets for limited release, though I guess that would probably have production costs high enough that it wouldn't be worth it. Interesting idea. They've done it for Creator and Technic sets, so in theory they could, but the minifigs would have to be different and presumably the box art and packaging would too. And it's not like it's just swapping one colour for another, in the case of Slave I there'd be multiple colours of parts that need swapping out. I wonder if there is a set that could work more easily for, though. Just seen the AT-AT driver now it's been officially unveiled. Very nice. I own the other non-stormie Imperial helmets, so I'll probably pick this one up. Quote
Legoman123 Posted January 27 Posted January 27 19 hours ago, ArrowBricks said: I think Lego haven’t gone all out for the MTT figures, which is a shame and is becoming a common theme. Add a Tactical Droid and it becomes 9.5/10, minimum, on paper. Obviously, in practice Aayla’s eyes and Bly’s clone design will have obvious shortcomings. I think Aayla will look like the movies rather than TCW and the clones all seem to be a cross between both anyway. Quote
Mandalorianknight Posted January 27 Posted January 27 1 hour ago, BrickBob Studpants said: That list was just for revived parts TCW Ahsoka‘s updated head-tails piece uses the same mould as the Mandoverse one tho, they didn‘t revive the 2008 piece Ah, so just adding Plo's head and potentially Bacara's helmet and/or a P1 pilot helmet then. 1 hour ago, TeddytheSpoon said: Interesting idea. They've done it for Creator and Technic sets, so in theory they could, but the minifigs would have to be different and presumably the box art and packaging would too. And it's not like it's just swapping one colour for another, in the case of Slave I there'd be multiple colours of parts that need swapping out. I wonder if there is a set that could work more easily for, though. Just seen the AT-AT driver now it's been officially unveiled. Very nice. I own the other non-stormie Imperial helmets, so I'll probably pick this one up. Yeah the minifigs are the real issue- either the recolors would have extremely limited and/or inaccurate selections, or they'd have to use print budget on them, which kind of runs around the "cheap to produce limited release recolor" concept. That one's really got me on the fence. It looks very nice, but I haven't gotten any helmets yet, and $70 has always felt a bit expensive for the price. (Even if the helmets are kind of progressively becoming better value- from inflation alone a $70 helmet in 2020 would be $85 today) Quote
Lego Nostalgia Posted January 27 Posted January 27 I might be the only one here happy it's a blue and grey MTT, its a nice change compared to the last 2 brown ones, it will go well with the AAT from 2020, happy to get Bly aswell I hope Bacara gets a new mould I hope Bacara gets a new mould Quote
TotoMagnus Posted January 27 Posted January 27 (edited) I just listened to the latest Podcast Episode with Maxbaut. He has a „very very very good feeling“ that August will bring us a Slave 1 Playscale set, with 707 pieces and 3 minifigs: Jango, Boba and Kaminoan. 70 Bucks. Also: Death Star 2 with ~ 40 minifigs. I don‘t know what to think of this. I like him and his reputation is sky high. But still…I have some doubts. What do you think? Edited January 27 by TotoMagnus Quote
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