Classic_Spaceman Posted March 5 Posted March 5 Dedra’s hat-hair combo looks excellent (and was long overdue!), and I hope to see it reappear in other sets! I am disappointed that her legs are not dual-moulded, however - I will just swap them for plain white/black legs, since the moulding suggests the lower portion of the coat anyway. Also, with her torso not showing a rank, it is easily reused for any ISB officer (I do want a regular ISB uniform torso, though)! K2 looks great, and the CompForce trooper seems accurate from what is visible (I do wish that we were getting a second CompForce trooper, though). The U-wing itself is decent, but far too small; $70 is not a terrible price, though, despite the fact that the ship should be around $150-sized. I just thought of something - Could the three-character/Minifig May the Fourth GWP be for Andor? A small ISB briefing room with Partagaz (reused trenchcoat torso), Dedra Meero (new torso, standard uniform), and Supervisor Blevin (same torso as Dedra) would be able to make the most of the GWP printing restrictions, and would be extremely popular! Quote
THELEGOBATMAN Posted March 5 Posted March 5 1 hour ago, Classic_Spaceman said: I just thought of something - Could the three-character/Minifig May the Fourth GWP be for Andor? A small ISB briefing room with Partagaz (reused trenchcoat torso), Dedra Meero (new torso, standard uniform), and Supervisor Blevin (same torso as Dedra) would be able to make the most of the GWP printing restrictions, and would be extremely popular! That sounds way too cool to be true. Quote
QuiggoldsPegLeg Posted March 5 Posted March 5 1 hour ago, Classic_Spaceman said: Dedra’s hat-hair combo looks excellent (and was long overdue!), and I hope to see it reappear in other sets! I am disappointed that her legs are not dual-moulded, however - I will just swap them for plain white/black legs, since the moulding suggests the lower portion of the coat anyway. Also, with her torso not showing a rank, it is easily reused for any ISB officer (I do want a regular ISB uniform torso, though)! K2 looks great, and the CompForce trooper seems accurate from what is visible (I do wish that we were getting a second CompForce trooper, though). The U-wing itself is decent, but far too small; $70 is not a terrible price, though, despite the fact that the ship should be around $150-sized. I just thought of something - Could the three-character/Minifig May the Fourth GWP be for Andor? A small ISB briefing room with Partagaz (reused trenchcoat torso), Dedra Meero (new torso, standard uniform), and Supervisor Blevin (same torso as Dedra) would be able to make the most of the GWP printing restrictions, and would be extremely popular! Are you sure about the extremely popular part? Because while Andor was/is an incredibly popular show, I can’t imagine that a much less memorable than the OT version that hasn’t been made imperial meeting room is a thing that tonnes of people are clamouring for. But I don’t think Lego has to worry about popularity of the May 4th GWP, since people will buy a bunch of Lego Star Wars on May the 4th anyways. Quote
CloneCommando99 Posted March 5 Posted March 5 (edited) 4 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said: I want to make clear that- unless more images show that the U-wing is either tiny or looks awful from other angles- I think it's a good set, and while I won't personally get it as I own the 2016 one I'm glad it's on shelves. But it is ABSURD that this theme has reached a point where no OT imperial troopers appear in retail sets this year. 2 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said: My point is, this isn't like some sneaky wording to deliberately obfuscate the issue- the reason there's no OT imperial troopers in playsets this year is because there are no OT playsets this year. I think that really is a big deal. It is. And we already know damn well which faction has prevented their appearance. If you ask me, I think the U-Wing warrants a tie-in Battlepack more than the Battle of Peridia which is getting the Night Trooper Battlepack. I mean, Andor is a pretty trooper focused show. A Battlepack could include any of: Army Troopers, Stormtroopers, Death Troopers, CompForce Troopers, ISB officers, Partisan Soliders…. They could even call it a generic imperial BP and include scout troopers (which haven’t been released in a set since 2023 BTW (which was still 18+)) and it’d still work pretty damn perfectly to as a antagonist set to the U-Wing. But Night Troopers right now are a particularly niche and not very versatile trooper variant. Who have no guarantees of maintaining the red bandages the next time they show up. Potentially making them even less versatile. When it comes to the empire I prefer more versatile units in battlepacks. Helps build a occupation force. 1 hour ago, Classic_Spaceman said: I just thought of something - Could the three-character/Minifig May the Fourth GWP be for Andor? A small ISB briefing room with Partagaz (reused trenchcoat torso), Dedra Meero (new torso, standard uniform), and Supervisor Blevin (same torso as Dedra) would be able to make the most of the GWP printing restrictions, and would be extremely popular! I thought of this too. I would like it to be the case because it’d be cool. But on the other hand, I hope it isn’t because I’ only want to buy the U-Wing and another Dropship vs Speeder on May 4th. Edited March 5 by CloneCommando99 Quote
THELEGOBATMAN Posted March 5 Posted March 5 2 hours ago, Clone OPatra said: Dedra is mostly great, but why oh why are they doing white on black printed legs when they're going to be so ugly and dual molded white top and black bottom legs currently exist and are in production? I know Star Wars almost never has dual moulded arms or legs, but that part literally exists right now! Yeah, in all seriousness, as much as I love Dedra and thus minifigure, I hate when LEGO tries to portray a full coat with simple leg printing—it usually ends up looking ridiculous and incomplete. The only place it works for me is Ninjago, since their robes are visibly different and it feels like a part of the design, and not a cheap workaround. Quote
Darth Malgus Posted March 5 Posted March 5 20 minutes ago, CloneCommando99 said: It is. And we already know damn well which faction has prevented their appearance. Hopefully the clones will be done this year for a few. Personally I don't mind the keeping stormtroopers out of this year, save for the rumoured DS UCS. I just wish we had the old stormies back as opposed to the family guy ones in present circulation. Quote
BrickBob Studpants Posted March 5 Posted March 5 Just to play devil‘s advocate, the „no OT troopers in retail sets“ observation has a potential blind spot: the AC. Sure, it‘s not a playset and has a very short shelf life, but it is a retail set And they love to include Imperial troopers here! Quote
THELEGOBATMAN Posted March 5 Posted March 5 2 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said: Just to play devil‘s advocate, the „no OT troopers in retail sets“ observation has a potential blind spot: the AC. Sure, it‘s not a playset and has a very short shelf life, but it is a retail set And they love to include Imperial troopers here! But imagine if they don't do it this year. The most iconic and popular faction in all of Star Wars, simply gone in favour of Clone extravaganza. Quote
Llewop Posted March 5 Posted March 5 (edited) I get it the OT is iconic and should always do stuff from it but also we are at a point where we have had 3 separate trilogies of films multiple animated and live action series set in between and during said trilogies and within the next 5-10 years there is a strong possibility of another trilogy or films set beyond what we’ve had at some point the demand is just not going to be there. i love empire sets, if they had sets of imperial troops/vehicles battle packs and ships from solo, OT, Rogue one, rebels, mandoverse, Kenobi, Jedi fallen order games I’d buy the lot. But I do appreciate that there is more to SW than just the empire. everyone hates the current stormtrooper design anyway surely it’s a blessing in disguise that there aren’t any coming? They’ll probably redesign the helmets soon anyway also the same can be said for Clones and CW at some point we’ve got to move on from them as well. Edited March 5 by Llewop Quote
Samppu Posted March 5 Posted March 5 (edited) Many people seem to wonder about the exclusion of OT Imperial forces this year, but I don't really see why, because the night troopers and the current Andor trooper + Dedra from the U-Wing count as Imperial to mee. Like, the Rogue One or Solo waves did not technically have much in the way of original trilogy characters either to be exact, but they were easy to convert into ones, if one so wanted. I see the same is true now. Night troopers probably can go as battle worn stormtroopers in the minds of the kids at least, or at least in the mind of mine. Though, I still dislike the Family guy helmet as many others. Edited March 5 by Samppu Quote
Lordhelmet Posted March 5 Posted March 5 38 minutes ago, Samppu said: Many people seem to wonder about the exclusion of OT Imperial forces this year, but I don't really see why, because the night troopers and the current Andor trooper + Dedra from the U-Wing count as Imperial to mee. Like, the Rogue One or Solo waves did not technically have much in the way of original trilogy characters either to be exact, but they were easy to convert into ones, if one so wanted. I see the same is true now. Night troopers probably can go as battle worn stormtroopers in the minds of the kids at least, or at least in the mind of mine. Though, I still dislike the Family guy helmet as many others. I think the part that is most interesting to me around this discussion is that it has been a very long time, so breaking a trend that has been around since the first or third year out of 26 years is fairly significant. I am curious how the increase in 18+ sets has contributed to the change (as many do not have minifigures). It would be interesting to see if we exclude MBS/UCS/Promos how many play sets we get each year and how many minifigures to see the trend. I would assume we have an overall trend downward in minifigures but it would be interesting to see the details. Also I don't care for the family guy helmets, if we had the older ones I would have bought more of the drop ship. Quote
Mandalorianknight Posted March 5 Posted March 5 9 hours ago, Darth Malgus said: I just wish we had the old stormies back as opposed to the family guy ones in present circulation. You gotta let this one go. It's been 6 years. The accident wasn't your fault. (But in all seriousness, they aren't changing back. The rebel pilot helmet turned after one set- it's pretty clear the family guy helmets are here to stay.) 9 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said: Just to play devil‘s advocate, the „no OT troopers in retail sets“ observation has a potential blind spot: the AC. Sure, it‘s not a playset and has a very short shelf life, but it is a retail set And they love to include Imperial troopers here! Sure. That's fair. If they drop a stormie or something in the AC, while it'll still be insane that there isn't a single OT playset, at least we won't have broken the 25 year imperial trooper streak. 7 hours ago, THELEGOBATMAN said: But imagine if they don't do it this year. The most iconic and popular faction in all of Star Wars, simply gone in favour of Clone extravaganza. Yup. 5 hours ago, Llewop said: I get it the OT is iconic and should always do stuff from it but also we are at a point where we have had 3 separate trilogies of films multiple animated and live action series set in between and during said trilogies and within the next 5-10 years there is a strong possibility of another trilogy or films set beyond what we’ve had at some point the demand is just not going to be there. I would be tempted to agree with this argument if not for two major points: 1. The OT is what started it all, it's still the most iconic part of the franchise. The people who don't really know star wars still know Vader/Stormtrooper/Yoda/Luke. 2. It's not like this year has no OT playsets because there's just so much variety. We aren't getting a single playset for two of the three trilogies. This isn't "there's just so much content to cover" it's "one specific faction is dominating the year" 2 hours ago, Samppu said: Many people seem to wonder about the exclusion of OT Imperial forces this year, but I don't really see why, because the night troopers and the current Andor trooper + Dedra from the U-Wing count as Imperial to mee. Like, the Rogue One or Solo waves did not technically have much in the way of original trilogy characters either to be exact, but they were easy to convert into ones, if one so wanted. I mean Rogue One and solo contained fairly large numbers of identical costumes- officers, TIE pilots, stormtroopers, AT-ST drivers, etc. Night Troopers/Hat Stormtrooper weren't designs in the OT and don't really look like standard units either. Quote
TheScaryDoor Posted March 5 Posted March 5 New "trailer" for Andor S2 with a better look for the Tie and also including the U-Wing. And of course the one and only Dedra and I'm also happy to see B2EMO. This looks really great. Can't wait for S2. Quote
ZeldaTheSwordsman Posted March 5 Posted March 5 (edited) I'm sure we'll have Imperial troops amongst the Andor and Mando and Bad Batch stuff. And I know we've gotten an Imperial Commando polybag. As for the seeming lack of minifig-scale OT sets, A. it's too early to call that when most of the 2025 line is pending reveal and B. I think it's worth noting that iconic though the OT may be, there seems to be plenty of 2023 and 2024 OT stuff still in stock both in stores and on Lego's website. If you don't like the new Stormie helmet, write in to Lego. Point out that unlike Clone Troopers it doesn't serve an accessory accommodation purpose, and that the new design is a bit of a needless space hog - looks like it might be on par with the original Phase II clone helmets. For my part, I'm happy we've gotten a new ARC-170 this year; that one's on my "must get" list. I'm also very much enjoying Ahsoka's interceptor; the switch to Technic pieces to angle the wings is a welcome move, especially after Anakin's otherwise-excellent one from 2020 foolishly regressed from three ratchets per wing to two. Although ye gods do we need a new Vulture Droid set already, the prices on the 2014 one are insane except for the odd Bricklink listing now and then. Edited March 5 by ZeldaTheSwordsman Quote
Mandalorianknight Posted March 5 Posted March 5 I think I'm reading this comment wrong: 38 minutes ago, ZeldaTheSwordsman said: I'm sure we'll have Imperial troops amongst the Andor and Mando and Bad Batch stuff. And I know we've gotten an Imperial Commando polybag. As for the seeming lack of minifig-scale OT sets, A. it's too early to call that when most of the 2025 line is pending reveal and B. I think it's worth noting that iconic though the OT may be, there seems to be plenty of 2023 and 2024 OT stuff still in stock both in stores and on Lego's website. We have one unhelmeted stormtrooper variant in the Andor set. No stormtroopers in mando playsets this year- only one mando playset, actually, IIRC, and no imperials in it. There are no bad batch sets this year. Not sure what you mean by the imperial commando polybag. The closest I can think of is the Shadow ARF about 15 years ago, which was a clone trooper? Definitely not too early to call, we've had the list leak already and there are no OT playsets this year. Sure. That one is a good point. There are still some OT sets in stock. But nobody's saying that's not the case. Quote
ZeldaTheSwordsman Posted March 5 Posted March 5 24 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said: We have one unhelmeted stormtrooper variant in the Andor set. No stormtroopers in mando playsets this year- only one mando playset, actually, IIRC, and no imperials in it. There are no bad batch sets this year. I see. I had assumed there would be Bad Batch stuff, due it being current. 24 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said: Not sure what you mean by the imperial commando polybag. The closest I can think of is the Shadow ARF about 15 years ago, which was a clone trooper? I mean THIS Imperial Commando polybag that's listed on Brickset. 26 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said: Definitely not too early to call, we've had the list leak already and there are no OT playsets this year. Ah, so it's only image leaks that are forbidden here then and list leaks are still fair game? I was going off Brickset, where the majority of the 2025 range is still in the "dot dot dot question mark" state for want of official reveal. 27 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said: Sure. That one is a good point. There are still some OT sets in stock. But nobody's saying that's not the case. I bring it up because it kinda feels like a factor people aren't considering in why the OT (which is evergreen) might be at the bottom of the priority list compared to current stuff and the need to honor the 20th Anniversary of Revenge of the Sith. Speaking of, was there any RotS stuff in that list leak? Not counting the ARC-170, because that's already out and known. Also wondering if there's any TFA stuff, since it's also the tenth anniversary of that. Quote
Llewop Posted March 5 Posted March 5 (edited) 4 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said: I would be tempted to agree with this argument if not for two major points: 1. The OT is what started it all, it's still the most iconic part of the franchise. The people who don't really know star wars still know Vader/Stormtrooper/Yoda/Luke. 2. It's not like this year has no OT playsets because there's just so much variety. We aren't getting a single playset for two of the three trilogies. This isn't "there's just so much content to cover" it's "one specific faction is dominating the year" I mean Rogue One and solo contained fairly large numbers of identical costumes- officers, TIE pilots, stormtroopers, AT-ST drivers, etc. Night Troopers/Hat Stormtrooper weren't designs in the OT and don't really look like standard units either. I agree it is what started it all but ithas some of the most iconic parts. Other fans would argue what they like has more iconic parts. I don’t want to go down that rabbit hole because we all as SW fans have our own favourites. But again no one area should dominate the line up be that Clones, OT, or buildable droids etc. I agree with most people about the lack of empire and OT stuff and also those who says about the lack of ST and CIS sets/figures but the bigger problem is that there are fewer sets that are in the traditional system scale and more gimicy and adult focused ones and when there are more content each area has a smaller window to be represented. For me I’d absolutely loathe this years line up if it wasn’t for the fact that for me I’ve never had a chance to get an MTT let alone one in the CW style, I’ve always wanted the clone snow troopers in the UTAT and ever since seeing the image of the cancelled set I thought it looked like a cool set. For me unfortunately I’m probably the only one who thinks it’s a great line up. But please believe me when I say after this year I’m done with Clone focused things. We’ve got new content next year hopefully brings around a wave of two of new interesting sets and builds. could you imagine a world where the empire got the same treatment clones had in recent years. Battle packs to cover purge troopers, ISB, even just plain Stormtroopers. Playsets covering drop ships, fighters and tanks that have barely featured in live action. It would be bliss Edited March 5 by Llewop Quote
Rwbricks Posted March 5 Posted March 5 It’s interesting to see that Syril is working with Dedra. (I’m joking, probably. Couldn’t they have used the Bruce Wayne/Lex Luthor head if it isn’t him?) It’s good to see that they went (almost) all-out on Dedra. I’m most interested in seeing the interior space. My hope was that it would be able to fit six, the full Rogue One crew, but it’s not looking like that so far. Quote
Mandalorianknight Posted March 5 Posted March 5 53 minutes ago, ZeldaTheSwordsman said: I see. I had assumed there would be Bad Batch stuff, due it being current. I mean THIS Imperial Commando polybag that's listed on Brickset. Ah, so it's only image leaks that are forbidden here then and list leaks are still fair game? I was going off Brickset, where the majority of the 2025 range is still in the "dot dot dot question mark" state for want of official reveal. I bring it up because it kinda feels like a factor people aren't considering in why the OT (which is evergreen) might be at the bottom of the priority list compared to current stuff and the need to honor the 20th Anniversary of Revenge of the Sith. Speaking of, was there any RotS stuff in that list leak? Not counting the ARC-170, because that's already out and known. Also wondering if there's any TFA stuff, since it's also the tenth anniversary of that. Nope, no bad batch- haven't had anything since 2022 or not based on season 1, actually. Oh, you mean the magazine foil pack of the mandalorian character? Sure. Fine. There are still no OT imperial troopers in playsets this year, but yes, an armored character affiliated with the empire appears in a region-locked magazine. Yes. You cannot upload leaked images but there's no issue discussing leaked information. Most of the stuff this year is evergreen. We got plenty of clone sets the last few years. This year has THREE playsets based on "current stuff"- the Andor set, Ahsoka set, and RTG set. None of the clone sets- which comprise the vast majority of the year's sets- are based on new content. Sort of, it's weird. There's a Blade of Dorin Microfighter but that's the only thing we know 100% for sure is an ROTS (or at least something like the ARC-170 where it fits both ROTS and TCW) set. Other sets that are connected but not necessarily 1:1 ROTS include: Probable UT-AT: There's a $150, 830 piece set coming with Ki-Adi, Bacara, and the Galactic Marines. Initially rumored to be a UT-AT, there are rumors this may instead be an RFT, although personally I assume it's just them calling the UT-AT a republic tank to generalize the term like lego enjoys doing. 327th battle pack: Rumored to include an AT-RT, which wasn't present onscreen in ROTS on felucia, but c'mon. It's a battle pack. The figs are ROTS figs. MTT: The MTTs do not appear in CIS coloration in ROTS, so it's not an ROTS set, but it does include Aalya and Bly to go along with the 327th pack so it bears mentioning. All in all it's looking like ROTS is getting a better anniversary playset wise than any other recent anniversary, with the possible exception of 2023 if you want to count the "clone wars anniversary" for the clone wars as a concept/era rather than the 2003 microseries that received no coverage that year. As for TFA, no, no playsets at all. A few 18+ subline sets- a helmet and midi-scale shuttle I think. 8 minutes ago, Llewop said: I agree it is what started it all but ithas some of the most iconic parts. Other fans would argue what they like has more iconic parts. I don’t want to go down that rabbit hole because we all as SW fans have our own favourites. But again no one area should dominate the line up be that Clones, OT, or buildable droids etc. I agree with most people about the lack of empire and OT stuff and also those who says about the lack of ST and CIS sets/figures but the bigger problem is that there are fewer sets that are in the traditional system scale and more gimicy and adult focused ones and when there are more content each area has a smaller window to be represented. Yes. No one area should dominate the lineup. I agree. Currently one area is dominating the lineup this year. I also agree that the larger issue is the massive amount of 18+ sets. I think under the constraint of half the sets being 18+ lego should have had more playset variety, at least ONE playset based on what is literally the core trilogy of star wars, but yeah, if we replaced half the 18+ sets with some OT and TFA stuff 2025 would look much better as a year. 3 minutes ago, Rwbricks said: It’s interesting to see that Syril is working with Dedra. (I’m joking, probably. Couldn’t they have used the Bruce Wayne/Lex Luthor head if it isn’t him?) It’s good to see that they went (almost) all-out on Dedra. I’m most interested in seeing the interior space. My hope was that it would be able to fit six, the full Rogue One crew, but it’s not looking like that so far. If it's the guy from the trailer the Lex head might actually not fit terribly poorly, unlike most people it's used for, which is really funny that they chose their other generic one-sided white guy head instead. I think it's possible it could fit the entire crew of six. Obviously only one pilot can sit on top (For $70 I wouldn't expect them to get it to fit two, to be fair), but then I think there are four seats below, and it looks like at least one side has room for Baze and Bodhi's backpacks. The only issue is K2. It appears that there's a row of studs behind the backwards-facing seats in the image where he could be placed. He'll likely have to lean over at the waist, but I think you could fit him in there. I would also bring up that the 2016 model, while having more accurately opening doors, is notoriously difficult to fit figures in the underside of. With the pintle guns present you're hard-pressed to get even 4 guys below while closing the doors, and even removing them, your max is going to be one pilot and 5 below, and you'll have to remove Baze and Bodhi's backpacks. Quote
Darth_Bane13 Posted March 5 Posted March 5 20 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said: This is fair. I will say I think your iconicity point is actually the other way around- we've seen in the past that making the big sets less iconic things leads to poor results, whereas smaller sets have a larger margin of people who might not be as familiar with the ship but still pick it up- but it's a moot point as I think the U-wing is known well enough and fits the rebel design scheme well enough that a $100 set would be fine. That said, I'm sure lego was just told "Make a set for andor" and some exec picked the $70 price point off which the specific model was then chosen, so I'd rather we get this than no U-wing at all. Though a TIE Avenger could also have worked... A very strange choice- though to be honest, the early years of lego star wars were an interesting selection. Why did we get Vader's TIE before a normal one, for instance? Yeah I guess I was just saying some sets should be more affordable so kids aren't priced out of an X-wing or Tie fighter. To your point though I think the justifier is a good example of a set that was too expensive for a ship no one really cared about. And why didn't Lego make clones until 2002? They must truly hate clone fans. 4 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said: You gotta let this one go. It's been 6 years. The accident wasn't your fault. It's kind of funny how often this is brought up here, even all these years later since the change. I am guilty of this myself, kind pf goes to show how many dislike the current helmet. Quote
Llewop Posted March 5 Posted March 5 Does anyone know how much the U wing will be in GBP? this is my wild prediction (well I have two) one we are going to get one of those ISB troopers in a magazine next year. And 2 we will get another Andor set in 2026 probably the reaper. We get follow up sets all the time 6-18 months after release I wouldn’t be surprised if we got one or two more. Quote
Brickwraith Posted March 5 Posted March 5 5 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said: Sure. That's fair. If they drop a stormie or something in the AC, while it'll still be insane that there isn't a single OT playset, at least we won't have broken the 25 year imperial trooper streak. I don't get why this fun fact about imperial troopers you discovered today is now a hard and fast rule you're upset about being broken. Up until the U wing picture everyone was complaining about the fact that we were only getting stormtroopers in that set instead of something more unique. I feel like in most peoples eyes night troopers are stormtroopers (Especially kids), and while you can't use them in as massive amounts as regular troopers they will still function the same and are a full army in Ahsoka. This really just feels like hair splitting Quote
Lordhelmet Posted March 5 Posted March 5 (edited) 1 hour ago, Brickwraith said: I don't get why this fun fact about imperial troopers you discovered today is now a hard and fast rule you're upset about being broken. Up until the U wing picture everyone was complaining about the fact that we were only getting stormtroopers in that set instead of something more unique. I feel like in most peoples eyes night troopers are stormtroopers (Especially kids), and while you can't use them in as massive amounts as regular troopers they will still function the same and are a full army in Ahsoka. This really just feels like hair splitting I don’t know if identifying a trend that is broken after 25 years is the same as identifying a “fun fact”. Being disappointed about something that has been consistent for so long in the theme (I think more than the imperial thing is the lack of any OT playsets) is fair. The OT is the core of Star Wars (not knocking other media some of which is great and some not great). But not having any OT playsets in a year is a big deal. Here is a list of OT playlets from each year 1999 (5). 2000 (5) 2001 (4). 2002 (6). 2003 (7). 2004 (5) 2005 (3) 2006 (7) 2007 (5) 2008 (0*) 2009 (5) 2010 (6) 2011 (3) 2012 (7) 2013 (4) 2014 (6) 2015 (3) 2016 (3) 2017 (3) 2018 (7) 2019 (10) 2020 (5) 2021 (3) 2022 (4) 2023 (2) 2024 (3) 2025 (0) *0 in 2008 excludes the Imperial dropship battle pack and rebel battle pack that we just had the remake for. These numbers are based on brickset for each movie and would exclude 0T themed things that were not from the a particular movie. These number include retail sets from the year for episodes 4-6 and exclude things like midi scale, poly bags, UCS, MBS etc. (so just looking at play sets). Also interesting that 2008 was the Death Star so no specific OT sets, but a Death Star, the biggest difference is the battle packs were OT that year. - Also if we do have a massive Death Star coming out this year having an imperial battle pack seems like it should have been a no brainer (like two storm troopers, a navy trooper and an officer). Would have been a good companion battle pack. Edited March 6 by Lordhelmet Quote
Mandalorianknight Posted March 5 Posted March 5 41 minutes ago, Brickwraith said: I don't get why this fun fact about imperial troopers you discovered today is now a hard and fast rule you're upset about being broken. Up until the U wing picture everyone was complaining about the fact that we were only getting stormtroopers in that set instead of something more unique. I feel like in most peoples eyes night troopers are stormtroopers (Especially kids), and while you can't use them in as massive amounts as regular troopers they will still function the same and are a full army in Ahsoka. This really just feels like hair splitting It's an example of how absurd this year is. I'm not saying it's some sort of written rule, you're obfuscating the issue. The fact that this is the first year either ever or since 2000 without imperial troopers in a playset is a big deal. As is the fact that this will be the first year, Interesting point that "night troopers are (basically) stormtroopers". By this logic, in august 2025 we'll have had 4 battle packs of the same figure released over the course of two and a half years. After all, just like night troopers are the same as stormtroopers, all clone troopers are the same, right? All it is is a difference in some colors on the armor For that matter, we don't need galactic marines. If kids want them, they can just get snowtroopers, since they're the same. (This might be a bit blunt, but to be fair so were you. Point being, any kid over the age of 8 can see that stormtroopers usually don't have red cloth, gold cracks, and grey plating all over them.) And as I've mentioned in at least one previous post, my stormtrooper/imperial trooper point is being used to illustrate how uncommon and absurd it is that there are ZERO OT playsets this year. Depending on whether or not you count the rebel scout speeder (I personally would, battle packs never have canon builds), this is either the first or second time ever, in the history of the theme, that that's happened. 1 hour ago, Darth_Bane13 said: Yeah I guess I was just saying some sets should be more affordable so kids aren't priced out of an X-wing or Tie fighter. To your point though I think the justifier is a good example of a set that was too expensive for a ship no one really cared about. It's kind of funny how often this is brought up here, even all these years later since the change. I am guilty of this myself, kind pf goes to show how many dislike the current helmet. Yeah that's absolutely fair as well, it's a mix of factors. You want to keep something like the X-wing or TIE affordable but you also don't want your expensive sets to be stuff like the Justifier that no one recognizes. My guess is people were upset when the change was first made and are just moving off inertia and the fact that the rebel pilot helmet change was scrapped. But lego clearly won't be changing the stormtrooper helmet over fan feedback. 1 hour ago, Llewop said: And 2 we will get another Andor set in 2026 probably the reaper. We get follow up sets all the time 6-18 months after release I wouldn’t be surprised if we got one or two more. I hope so but doubt it. Andor doesn't seem like it's gonna have any big marketable surprises- the most I can see in that regard is the Avenger, which I would assume lego knew about when making the U-wing set. 7 minutes ago, Lordhelmet said: I don’t know if identifying a trend that is broken after 25 years is the same as identifying a “fun fact”. Being disappointed about something that has been consistent for so long in the theme (I think more than the imperial thing is the lack of any OT playsets) is fair. The OT is the core of Star Wars (not knocking other media some of which is great and some not great). But not having any OT playsets in a year is a big deal. Thank you. It's not like I'm saying "we've had the THX-1138 paycheck destroyer with glup shitto minifigure every 7.32 waves and this is the first year it's missing". This is a 25 year trend that also feels like a pretty basic checkmark (any form of the bad guy foot soldiers shown onscreen in the core trilogy) that best case scenario will only be fulfilled by one guy plopped into an advent calendar. (And even then I would not at all be surprised if that was missing. While some form of OT imperial foot soldier used to be more or less guaranteed, 2023 and 2024 both didn't have them.) Quote
ZeldaTheSwordsman Posted March 5 Posted March 5 (edited) 2 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said: Oh, you mean the magazine foil pack of the mandalorian character? Sure. Fine. There are still no OT imperial troopers in playsets this year, but yes, an armored character affiliated with the empire appears in a region-locked magazine. It's still an Imperial trooper. And it's the only Imperial unit currently visible on Brickset for this year. Although if we're getting Night Troopers, I'd agree that that's close enough to regular OT Imperial troops. Armor-wise, they're clearly "regular Stormies who've had to make do when it comes to repairs". 2 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said: Nope, no bad batch- haven't had anything since 2022 or not based on season 1, actually. That's disappointing. Especially given something I'll get into later. 2 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said: Sort of, it's weird. There's a Blade of Dorin Microfighter but that's the only thing we know 100% for sure is an ROTS (or at least something like the ARC-170 where it fits both ROTS and TCW) set. Hey, it's something. And it's better access to Plo Koon. 2 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said: Probable UT-AT: There's a $150, 830 piece set coming with Ki-Adi, Bacara, and the Galactic Marines. Initially rumored to be a UT-AT, there are rumors this may instead be an RFT, although personally I assume it's just them calling the UT-AT a republic tank to generalize the term like lego enjoys doing. With that piece count, it's definitely going to be UT-AT. The only way the Republic Fighter Tank gets a set with that piece count is if a designer is told to choose between doing a UCS RFT, or any of Padme's ships. Also, I don't think Lego "enjoy generalizing terms" or would call a UT-AT an RFT. The only times AFAIK they've used a generic name for a walker have been the first AT-RT set and a deliberate callback to the first AT-RT set. Yes, the Juggernaut tanks are consistently called Turbo Tanks, but that's more due to the name Juggernaut being too associated with a certain X-Men character. 2 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said: 327th battle pack: Rumored to include an AT-RT, which wasn't present onscreen in ROTS on felucia, but c'mon. It's a battle pack. The figs are ROTS figs. Have we had a battle pack AT-RT since Geonosis Troopers, though? It could easily be something else. Perhaps even an abstracted RFT. Which also isn't RotS, but does have some slight association by way of being previously associated with Aayla Secura. 2 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said: MTT: The MTTs do not appear in CIS coloration in ROTS, so it's not an ROTS set, but it does include Aalya and Bly to go along with the 327th pack so it bears mentioning. So, still RotS-adjacent. And if RotS ever gets a Special Edition (which it could low-key use: there are some deleted proto-Rebellion scenes it would be better off having re-added, the sequence of Plo Koon getting shot down was a mess even before TCW introduced the Delta-7B because his cockpit footage is clearly of an Eta-2, and at this point the movie could really do with overt mention of Ahsoka's existence and the Siege of Mandalore) they probably should change that MTT in the Invisible Hand's hangar to CIS livery. It basically seems like they're using adjacency to current stuff or else to the RotS Anniversary to cover ground that's yet to be covered or overdue for a revisit. Case in point, I looked it up and apparently we're getting a UCS Jango Fett Slave I? Which is great news, because YE GODS are we overdue for a new version of Jango's Slave I. We've had SEVEN minifig-scale versions of it in Boba's colors (two of them BACK TO BACK!), including a UCS version, but nothing new for Jango's Slave I at ANY scale even though we've had two modern minifig-scale versions of Obi-Wan's fighter. Although on that note, the lack of a new V-wing is really conspicuous. That would tie into both the RotS 20th anniversary and The Bad Batch, and it's something overdue for a new set. Also disappointed at the lack of a new Boga. 2 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said: Yes. No one area should dominate the lineup. I agree. Currently one area is dominating the lineup this year. I think that's just a side effect of a lot of the uncovered or revisit-overdue (The 327th Star Corps haven't had new minifigs since the 2006 Clone Battle Pack set) ground happening to involve Clone Troopers & the Clone Wars. 2 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said: I also agree that the larger issue is the massive amount of 18+ sets. I think under the constraint of half the sets being 18+ lego should have had more playset variety, at least ONE playset based on what is literally the core trilogy of star wars, but yeah, if we replaced half the 18+ sets with some OT and TFA stuff 2025 would look much better as a year. Even with half of the adult-oriented model kit junk out of the way, I would prioritize neglected (*cough*Padme's ships*cough*) or overdue-for-a-refresh prequel & even CW stuff over OT stuff. Yes, the OT is the core trilogy and all that, but that has also made it the most well-worn ground (we've had SIX minifig-scale versions of Luke's landspeeder, for example) when it comes to Lego sets. Even for ships and vehicles that didn't actually do much in the original trilogy. It is the part of SW we can most afford a year off from, set-wise, especially when last year's models are still hanging around on the shelves. I love the Original Trilogy, my dad's 1994 box set that I grew up watching is why I'm such a big Star Wars fan. But I also grew up with and love the Prequel Trilogy, and I'm a fan of the Sequel Trilogy as well. And of those trilogies, the OT has eaten the best at Lego's table by a country mile, with most things from it receiving do-overs on top of do-overs. It can afford to sit to one side for a while while other parts of Star Wars get a turn. And if you can't deal with that? That is on you. 2 hours ago, Llewop said: could you imagine a world where the empire got the same treatment clones had in recent years. Battle packs to cover purge troopers, ISB, even just plain Stormtroopers. Playsets covering drop ships, fighters and tanks that have barely featured in live action. It would be bliss Arguably, that has been the majority of Lego Star Wars' lifespan. Also, the thing about plain Stormtroopers & Snowtroopers & Scout Troopers etc. is that because they're plain... they're a lot more universal than Clone Troopers with all their different legion liveries. 17 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said: This is a 25 year trend that also feels like a pretty basic checkmark (any form of the bad guy foot soldiers shown onscreen in the core trilogy) that best case scenario will only be fulfilled by one guy plopped into an advent calendar. (And even then I would not at all be surprised if that was missing. While some form of OT imperial foot soldier used to be more or less guaranteed, 2023 and 2024 both didn't have them.) Perhaps, although 2024 was not exactly hurting for Stormies on the shelves. Edited March 5 by ZeldaTheSwordsman Quote
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