LEGO Star Wars 2025 Set Discussion - READ FIRST POST!!!

[Something_Awesome]

15 hours ago, AD_Bricks said:

Why? I mean, the Disney canon is definitely the "official" canon, right? But even then, no one's saying that that makes it the "technically correct" canon or anything; the media you personally consume and enjoy is up to you. No canon is more "technically" Star Wars canon than any other, and I fail to see why George just having the primary role in creating the first few Star Wars properties makes those things the only legitimate Star Wars. Not trying to start an argument or anything, just curious about your reasoning.

Technically, the art comes from the art's artist. LotR comes from Tolkien, Star Wars from George Lucas, Harry Potter from JK Rowling. All Disney did was convince George to sell his legal right to using what he created so that Disney can put George's Star Wars skin over their own stories. In short, a Fortune 500 company bought the rights to an IP so they can place a skin over their own stories. A skin like in Fortnite, Marvel Rivals, or Overwatch. The Disney company can now use the names, the sounds, and even the lightsabers, exclusively. The skin does not make Star Wars, George does (for better or worse).

I suppose a counter argument could be that Filoni is George's protege (he's not, but let's assume he is) and that whatever Filoni writes is also canon. Well, let's assume that you studied art under Picasso for your entire life up until the point he passed away. And let's say you made an art piece precisely as you believe Picasso would have created it. It's not a Picasso, it's an AD_Bricks. Of course, I am being generous with my example as Filoni has never tried to make a work of Star Wars precisely as George would have. 

Hence episodes 1-6 are the canon. I think two names from the franchise are appropriate: Star Wars and Disney Star Wars.

[Mandalorianknight]

12 hours ago, CloneCommando99 said:

Hey now. I’m not complaining about that. I’ll take it any day of the week over Acolyte, TBoBF, SC, Mando S3 and the ST.

I can't respond to the first part here without getting into more spoilery territory for the episode, but I'll shoot you a PM on why I think lego would consider it a different case.

This is where it comes down to personal preference, but I honestly would vastly prefer star wars shoot for a skeleton crew approach, even if I think most of Andor S2 is better than skeleton crew. Skeleton Crew has the star wars spirit, and even though I felt the ending wasn't as satisfying as I was expecting it to be, I think it's a good star wars story for kids. I loved Andor S1, but I did understand the complaints that it didn't feel as much like star wars, and I think Season 2 exacerbates that significantly. Whether it's Tony Gilroy or some exec at disney, I think between seasons 1 and 2 the goalpost shifted from "let's make good star wars" to "Oh, shoot, critics like this one, we might be able to get some emmys". I despise award culture in media in general, I think it's full of pseudointellectuals who pretend that a movie being depressing, shocking, or covering hot-button issues makes it automatically a good story (I'll add that I think TLJ was in part an attempt at this with all the "subverting expectations"), and while Andor's so far still a good story, it's also falling into those award culture tropes, and usually that gets worse over time, not better. I hope I'll be proven wrong- I loved season 1 and season 2 is still, as you say, miles better than something like Acolyte. 

At the end of the day I just think that onscreen star wars should strive for being generally family-friendly and keeping a slightly consistent tone. It's not that I dislike media in general covering certain things- I love Invincible, which in short order will be much more depressing, shocking, and explicitly paralleling of real-world issues than Andor- but at the end of the day I think when star wars tries for the emmy-bait strategy, it stops feeling as much like star wars.

12 hours ago, AD_Bricks said:

Which means not only does it fail to contain any big, expensive parts to help justify the price, but significantly less pieces will be left over to go into the actual tank. How on Earth are they going to pull this off??

They won't. This is a nearly $0.2 PPP, even before any increases were added, that we now know isn't containing 10 giant wheel pieces, and seems to include a small number of figures. I look forewords to picking it up for $56 like the skeleton crew set.

10 hours ago, BrickPrick said:

Well yeah, don't get me wrong. There are obviously lots of people involved. And everybody makes mistakes. Or their may be some misunderstandings between several sources. This is what fuels the speculation which we are all here for. Sometimes it's funny to see the huge leaking history of a single set and what it actually ends up being... for better or worse. The annoying part was solely in reference to the clickbait culture. Which is not exactly something new... but annoying nonetheless. 

This seems familiar to me... I gotta look that one up. Personally, i tend to enjoy the Emporer's parody quite a lot. Like when Palpy goes to the barber shop and the Ithorian owner pulls off his hood and he looks like freaking Einstein.  

Oh okay. Well, this will be only my second May the 4th promo i have been participating (2024/2025) in. I got some bigger sets in May in years prior to this, but outside of the Lego shop. As i wasn't exactly pleased with the GWP's in this decade. The way it is now, minifigs plus some actual builds, is a welcome return to form. Maybe not quite reaching absolute peak performance from the early days, but still miles ahead of what we used to get for a period of time. 

Of course, the clickbaity leakers who, say, drag out a tiny bit of information over a multi-hour podcast, or the ones who just completely make stuff up are a real annoyance.

All the Palpatine stuff is great, like the phone call from vader after the death star gets destroyed.

It is nice to get more set-like GWPs again. I didn't mind stuff like the mini death star or Beru's kitchen, and to be honest I didn't hate the microbuilds, but minifigures are nice to get.

8 hours ago, ArrowBricks said:

Welp, let’s hope the Turbo Tank figures are good. 

Honestly? At this point, if I thought lego would learn the right lesson from this, I would want them to be bad so lego realized they can't price sets like this. But the lesson they'd learn is probably something like "Oh, this is too many minifigures in the set", or just swinging the pendulum around and not making any clone sets at all for half a decade.

14 minutes ago, Something_Awesome said:

Technically, the art comes from the art's artist. LotR comes from Tolkien, Star Wars from George Lucas, Harry Potter from JK Rowling. All Disney did was convince George to sell his legal right to using what he created so that Disney can put George's Star Wars skin over their own stories. In short, a Fortune 500 company bought the rights to an IP so they can place a skin over their own stories. A skin like in Fortnite, Marvel Rivals, or Overwatch. The Disney company can now use the names, the sounds, and even the lightsabers, exclusively. The skin does not make Star Wars, George does (for better or worse).

I can feel the off-topic warning coming, so all I'll say is that while I think your interpretation is a valid one, it's A: Just an interpretation. It's a fine way to view the franchise, but not the only one or the "true" one, and B: in your interpretation, most of the EU, including the excellent game your own profile picture is from, wouldn't have ever been canon.

[BrickPrick]

1 hour ago, Mandalorianknight said:

Of course, the clickbaity leakers who, say, drag out a tiny bit of information over a multi-hour podcast, or the ones who just completely make stuff up are a real annoyance.

All the Palpatine stuff is great, like the phone call from vader after the death star gets destroyed.

It is nice to get more set-like GWPs again. I didn't mind stuff like the mini death star or Beru's kitchen, and to be honest I didn't hate the microbuilds, but minifigures are nice to get.

I can generally not stand this stance of waving your hands in order to gain cheap attention everywhere you look, but that's social media for you. And they all for sure like their colored thumbnails. Oh, it's beautiful. 

As for the legit leakers, every so often they do not spill any more beans as they can or want to. Regardless of reasoning, i am fine with that. I don't own any claim over their way of when and where to share new details. As far as i'm concerned, they should do as they please. More than anything else, i'm grateful that they feed us all this information. Without their efforts, so many speculations as we know them, would simply not be possible. So it's not to be taken for granted. Especially considering the fact that it takes ages for Lego to reveal Lego Star Wars stuff in particular. 

Haha, yes, this scene is hilarious as well. The german dub is very good, too. 

With the current direction of May the 4th GWPs, basically combining the best of both worlds, i feel like Lego is definitely on the right track again. Those microbuilds have been okay for me in the past, but what can i say... i am a minifigure aficionado. What i could not stand at all were the buildable R2-D2 and BB-8. I hope they will never do those for Star Wars Day ever again... not for the highest tier, that is. But yeah, really looking forward to my trio of Clone Cadets. Even though they might not make it in time for next sunday. 

Edited April 26 by BrickPrick

[BrickBob Studpants]

1 hour ago, Something_Awesome said:

Hence episodes 1-6 are the canon.

Not how that works tho. Official canon is what the IP owner says it is. Fans don‘t like to hear it, but their opinions are only head canon  

Also, while Lucas is the creator, you cannot really compare a multimedia franchise to two book series that got adapted. A book has (usually) one author who determines the canon, whereas SW has been a multimedia franchise with many cooks in the kitchen from the getgo. The first comics and books came out very soon after ANH, after all!

Lucas himself never gave a single **** about what is and isn’t canon and frequently overrode stuff. Also, you cannot ignore his contributions to TCW (in regard to your stance that only the OT and PT are canon from Lucas‘ perspective) 

[CloneCommando99]

1 hour ago, Mandalorianknight said:

This is where it comes down to personal preference, but I honestly would vastly prefer star wars shoot for a skeleton crew approach, even if I think most of Andor S2 is better than skeleton crew. Skeleton Crew has the star wars spirit, and even though I felt the ending wasn't as satisfying as I was expecting it to be, I think it's a good star wars story for kids. I loved Andor S1, but I did understand the complaints that it didn't feel as much like star wars, and I think Season 2 exacerbates that significantly. Whether it's Tony Gilroy or some exec at disney, I think between seasons 1 and 2 the goalpost shifted from "let's make good star wars" to "Oh, shoot, critics like this one, we might be able to get some emmys". I despise award culture in media in general, I think it's full of pseudointellectuals who pretend that a movie being depressing, shocking, or covering hot-button issues makes it automatically a good story (I'll add that I think TLJ was in part an attempt at this with all the "subverting expectations"), and while Andor's so far still a good story, it's also falling into those award culture tropes, and usually that gets worse over time, not better. I hope I'll be proven wrong- I loved season 1 and season 2 is still, as you say, miles better than something like Acolyte. 

At the end of the day I just think that onscreen star wars should strive for being generally family-friendly and keeping a slightly consistent tone. It's not that I dislike media in general covering certain things- I love Invincible, which in short order will be much more depressing, shocking, and explicitly paralleling of real-world issues than Andor- but at the end of the day I think when star wars tries for the emmy-bait strategy, it stops feeling as much like star wars.

I get where you’re coming from. And I respect your opinion. Like you said it comes down to personal preferences.

But then again, only the first 3 episodes have released and this arc is supposed to be the season’s weakest  so maybe the Emmy-bait is something to do with that.

Now, you drive a very good point. And I’m struggling to figure out a good counter argument (which further suggests it’s down to personal preferences.) So forgive me if I’m just blabbering here.

Honestly I never got around to liking Skeleton Crew that much, it didn’t feel that much like SW to me for some reason. Whilst Andor does. (Am I stupid?)

I don’t know if that’s because i’m just a history buff and see the historical parallels in the OT and PT. Much like how elements of Andor feel like the Russian revolution and 17th-20th century colonial oppression. Or that there’s sneaky little aesthetic details which harken back to the late 70s/ early 80s which had made its way into the OT (Lonni’s hair and stache combo for instance)

 

You’re right though, Star Wars at heart should always cater to the family. I guess that’s why so many people loved SC and Mando. But I think every so often, SW should try something a bit different such as Andor. That way it’ adds a bit of differentiation and brings new fans who might have never considered liking SW into the fold.

I personally think that Disney + SW thrives when it dares to do the unexpected (with the exception of Acolyte.) Mando S1 fully embraced the space western whilst the OT was a mixture of western and war themes. It worked really well and was praised by fans. Mando S2 switched things up and started delivering unexpected cameos in a capacity in which a live action SW project had never done before. Again, adored by fans. Andor S1 changed the narrative entirely removing lightsabers, the force and focused purely on the struggle of the galaxy’s normal people. Result: universal praise. SC does a similar thing, focusing on kids having an adventure and not rebels/ Jedi fighting in massive battles with the galaxy at stake. Loads of fans liked it. Andor S2 may be going for Emmy-bait but so far the general consensus by fans is well received, granted the season isn’t over yet so we can’t make a full judgement.

Compare that with the constantly reused trope of “sad old version of fan-favourite character who is constantly gripped by their past guilt” seen in TFA, TLJ, Kenobi and TBoBF. The fans and critics did not receive any of those all that well (it might also be something to do with fan expectations being too high if it’s characters with an already large following).
 

I just think that a variety in themes and tone allows for a more fleshed out SW universe, I mean it’s a large galaxy after all. One which many different types of fans can enjoy. For every Andor you have YJA. For every Umbara arc of TCW you have C3P0 and R2 D2 reenacting Gulliver’s Travels/ Wizard of Oz. For every Maul and Savage you have the Martez sisters. For every Vader you have Jar Jar. I find a difference in tones is not only good for fan engagement, but it also highlights how expansive the SW galaxy really is and no character’s story is the same.

My apologies for the yapping. And thank you to those who took the time to read.

 

But I digress, back to Lego

AC is rumoured to be revealed on May 1st-4th. Any final minifig predictions.

[icm]

1 hour ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Not how that works tho. Official canon is what the IP owner says it is. Fans don‘t like to hear it, but their opinions are only head canon  

Also, while Lucas is the creator, you cannot really compare a multimedia franchise to two book series that got adapted. A book has (usually) one author who determines the canon, whereas SW has been a multimedia franchise with many cooks in the kitchen from the getgo. The first comics and books came out very soon after ANH, after all!

Lucas himself never gave a single **** about what is and isn’t canon and frequently overrode stuff. Also, you cannot ignore his contributions to TCW (in regard to your stance that only the OT and PT are canon from Lucas‘ perspective) 

That's why the old EU had a lot of complicated layers of canonicity. People used to mock it for that, but it wasn't without reason. For me, the films and TV shows are of roughly decreasing canonicity in production order, which seems to me like the simplest commonsense approach.

[BrickPrick]

12 hours ago, CloneCommando99 said:

My apologies for the yapping. And thank you to those who took the time to read.

 

But I digress, back to Lego

AC is rumoured to be revealed on May 1st-4th. Any final minifig predictions.

I don't wanna go any more off-topic than we already are, so no specifics from me. But what i will say is, from my point of view, you were just dropping numerous truth bombs. I agree with quite a lot of what you just said. It was well worth a read. 

Finally, my minifig prediction remains unchanged: B1 Battle Droid, Clone Shock Trooper, Sabine Wren/Ezra Bridger, Night Trooper, Ahsoka and Anakin for the ugly christmas sweater fix. Potentially some extra buildable droids. 

Edited April 27 by BrickPrick

[TotoMagnus]

1 hour ago, CloneCommando99 said:

Compare that with the constantly reused trope of “sad old version of fan-favourite character who is constantly gripped by their past guilt” seen in TFA, TLJ, Kenobi and TBoBF. The fans and critics did not receive any of those all that well (it might also be something to do with fan expectations being too high if it’s characters with an already large following).

But I digress, back to Lego

AC is rumoured to be revealed on May 1st-4th. Any final minifig predictions.

I agree with most of your comment, just a small correction: The critics kinda adore(d) Episodes 7 & 8, judging by this list: https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/guide/all-star-wars-movies-ranked/

Personally I can quite live with this list, maybe switching Episodes 5 and 4 + 8 with 6.

For the AC: I just hope that Lego finally retires the ugly sweater trope. It feels lazy and boring to me in the meantime. 

[CallumPears]

Someone's posted what they say is the build for the tank's wheels. 

Basically consists of some 6x6 round plates stacked on top of each other with some smooth round bits on top (basically looks like the "shoulders" of the middle legs on the 75337 AT-TE). They also suggest that the smooth parts might be a new mould and they're just using placeholders in their mock-up of it.

The previous one from 2016 used the old Viking wheels which are slightly under 7x7 studs, so if they scale it with the wheels then the overall build will be a little smaller. 

Loks to be about 10 pieces per wheel (possibly as few as 8 depending on what happens with those smooth parts they mentioned), so 10 wheels means ~100 parts in total with ~700 for the rest of the tank itself.

Edited April 26 by CallumPears

[Mandalorianknight]

2 hours ago, CloneCommando99 said:

I get where you’re coming from. And I respect your opinion. Like you said it comes down to personal preferences.

But then again, only the first 3 episodes have released and this arc is supposed to be the season’s weakest  so maybe the Emmy-bait is something to do with that.

But I digress, back to Lego

AC is rumoured to be revealed on May 1st-4th. Any final minifig predictions.

That's all fair- I think we largely agree, the biggest difference for me is that I just would draw the line in where we cross over from variety to too far before some of the andor s2 stuff, not after. I assume most people wouldn't want, say, a straight-up sex scene in star wars, or nudity. I know there are some calls for it (and rumors it's in development) but I personally would never want them to make a full on R-rated star wars horror movie, either. (Also as a super minor nitpick to an otherwise very well put together statement, a lot of critics LOVED TLJ precisely for those "we've made the heroes depressed and not heroic" expectation subversion)

I'm still thinking one of the Peridea exclusives shows up, but beyond that I don't know.

1 hour ago, icm said:

That's why the old EU had a lot of complicated layers of canonicity. People used to mock it for that, but it wasn't without reason. For me, the films and TV shows are of roughly decreasing canonicity in production order, which seems to me like the simplest commonsense approach.

Honestly for better or worse this is still clearly true- Filoni's overwritten books and novels, and the same assumably is happening in Andor S2, there's no way they just adapt the comic showing him and K2 meeting.

41 minutes ago, CallumPears said:

Someone's posted what they say is the build for the tank's wheels. 

Basically consists of some 6x6 round plates stacked on top of each other with some smooth round bits on top (basically looks like the "shoulders" of the middle legs on the 75337 AT-TE). They also suggest that the smooth parts might be a new mould and they're just using placeholders in their mock-up of it.

The previous one from 2016 used the old Viking wheels which are slightly under 7x7 studs, so if they scale it with the wheels then the overall build will be a little smaller. 

Loks to be about 10 pieces per wheel (possibly as few as 8 depending on what happens with those smooth parts they mentioned), so 10 wheels means ~100 parts in total with ~700 for the rest of the tank itself.

I owe @Darth_Bane13 an apology (I think it was him? Whoever I was saying this tank wouldn't necessarily be that much smaller to). I was wrong to assume lego was capable of pulling anything quality off with a set like this anymore. 

 

Make sure to add a bare minimum of 21 more pieces for the figures (Assuming only 4 figures, no droids, no backpacks and single-piece guns for the troopers)

[CallumPears]

1 hour ago, CallumPears said:

The previous one from 2016 used the old Viking wheels which are slightly under 7x7 studs, so if they scale it with the wheels then the overall build will be a little smaller. 

Going back to this I've done the maths and if it's exactly scaled with the wheels then the new tank will be 87% of the 2016 model's length (6 stud wheels vs 6.875 stud wheels). 

3 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

I owe @Darth_Bane13 an apology (I think it was him? Whoever I was saying this tank wouldn't necessarily be that much smaller to). I was wrong to assume lego was capable of pulling anything quality off with a set like this anymore. 

 

Make sure to add a bare minimum of 21 more pieces for the figures (Assuming only 4 figures, no droids, no backpacks and single-piece guns for the troopers)

Yeah at this point I just want to see it so we can laugh at it for a couple of days then move on.

I would say the Galactic Marines will surely have their backpacks... but they haven't done them for Imperial Snowtroopers since 2016 so maybe not. 

All the other versions of the Turbo Tank have included smaller builds (turret and speeder in 2005, command station and AT-RT in 2010, AT-RT in 2016). Imagine if they use a significant proportion of the parts on some (probably ridiculously oversized) speeder bikes like they did with the Bad Batch shuttle lol. 

7 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

Honestly for better or worse this is still clearly true- Filoni's overwritten books and novels, and the same assumably is happening in Andor S2, there's no way they just adapt the comic showing him and K2 meeting.

Yeah the only way I can see them avoiding that is if they say it happened during one of the timeskips. Possible, but I kinda doubt they'd skip over something like that. I hate when retcons happen, especially nowadays when they said they were restarting the whole EU specifically to have a consistent continuity where they wouldn't need to retcon stuff, but hopefully it'll at least be done well (and with Andor I have no doubts about that). 

[Darth_Bane13]

32 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

That's all fair- I think we largely agree, the biggest difference for me is that I just would draw the line in where we cross over from variety to too far before some of the andor s2 stuff, not after. I assume most people wouldn't want, say, a straight-up sex scene in star wars, or nudity. I know there are some calls for it (and rumors it's in development) but I personally would never want them to make a full on R-rated star wars horror movie, either. (Also as a super minor nitpick to an otherwise very well put together statement, a lot of critics LOVED TLJ precisely for those "we've made the heroes depressed and not heroic" expectation subversion)

I owe @Darth_Bane13 an apology (I think it was him? Whoever I was saying this tank wouldn't necessarily be that much smaller to). I was wrong to assume lego was capable of pulling anything quality off with a set like this anymore. 

 

Make sure to add a bare minimum of 21 more pieces for the figures (Assuming only 4 figures, no droids, no backpacks and single-piece guns for the troopers)

I'd be ok with a rated R Star Wars nowadays just because there's so much content anyways. Kids can still watch most of the shows like skeleton crew, Mandalorian, etc. A rated R Star Wars horror movie would be insanely cool to me, like imagine "The Thing" or "Alien" done in Star Wars. Marvel did an R rated and I'd say they're similar franchises in terms of demographics, heck Star Wars probably has more adult fans these days. 10 years ago I would've been against it but Disney has done so much irreparable damage at this point, I don't care about the current canon, I just want anything cool or interesting I can get.

 

Yeah it's a shame about the Turbo tank, it seems like every remake these days is worse than its predecessor. 

[Coryo]

4 hours ago, CloneCommando99 said:

AC is rumoured to be revealed on May 1st-4th. Any final minifig predictions.

If we're going to be getting another 'ugly sweater duo', I'm predicting it'll be Han and Lando reusing their faces from last year's Desert Skiff, with sweaters depicting the Falcon and Cloud City.

Although I'd much prefer if they returned to their approach from 2017/18 (Blue Leader, Ahch-To Luke), just a unique non-holiday minifig that the designers wanted to make but didn't necessarily have an opportunity to include in a normal set.

Mon Mothma would be at the top of my list in that case.

 

[Something_Awesome]

8 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

I can feel the off-topic warning coming, so all I'll say is that while I think your interpretation is a valid one, it's A: Just an interpretation. It's a fine way to view the franchise, but not the only one or the "true" one, and B: in your interpretation, most of the EU, including the excellent game your own profile picture is from, wouldn't have ever been canon.

Correct. EU and KotOR are not canon. Does not make sense for them to be. Just like it would not make sense to consider seasons 7 and 8 of Game of Thrones on HBO to be canon. Those seasons were written by HBO. 

[Something_Awesome]

7 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Not how that works tho. Official canon is what the IP owner says it is. Fans don‘t like to hear it, but their opinions are only head canon  

Yes, because a court says the Fortune 500 company legally purchased the right to use the creation of the artist, while further barring that artist from ever using his/her own creation to expand his/her story (should he/she choose). You are speaking in a contract-law sense. 

This is why we have Star Wars and Disney Star Wars (Disney being the modifier). The problem with Disney's canon is that it will always lack the thing that matters, for better or worse, and that is George Lucas. The analysis would be the same if Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo formed a joint venture to buy Star Wars from Disney because they have always wanted to create a movie based on KotOR.

Disney's Star Wars Canon = Star Wars + (Star Wars Skin)Disney Stories

You can call it head canon. It's not. Episode 1 - 6 is the canon.

[AD_Bricks]

9 hours ago, Something_Awesome said:

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Hence episodes 1-6 are the canon. I think two names from the franchise are appropriate: Star Wars and Disney Star Wars.

8 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

I can feel the off-topic warning coming, so all I'll say is that while I think your interpretation is a valid one, it's A: Just an interpretation. It's a fine way to view the franchise, but not the only one or the "true" one, and B: in your interpretation, most of the EU, including the excellent game your own profile picture is from, wouldn't have ever been canon.

Just to wrap this up

I think @Mandalorianknight is right here; the set of things people consider canon is subjective and up to interpretation. I get that you see only the original artist's contributions to the universe as the legitimate parts of that universe, but there's really no objective standard that makes that the "true" canon over any other. You could say that only the parts of the franchise that George Lucas made are the original, George-approved canon, and that that's your preferred interpretation of the fictional Star Wars universe, and that would be completely valid, but I don't think you're right in purporting that that's the only "true" canon or anything like that. Any one interpretation is as valid/correct as any other; regardless of if one of them was the original intention, one is the accepted list adhered to by the current rights holder, or one is whatever some random person has found the time to watch and decided that they like.

10 minutes ago, Something_Awesome said:

... while further barring that artist from ever using his/her own creation to expand his/her story (should he/she choose). ...

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You can call it head canon. It's not. Episode 1 - 6 is the canon.

Replying again because this was sent while I was typing my last one but this is probably the last of what I'll say for the sake of the topic

Pro tip: "their" and "they" would save you a lot of time here

You probably haven't read my last post yet, but either way, there's no objective standard to say what "the canon" or "the true canon" actually is. The "Disney canon" is easy to define, and is probably also what you'd call the "official canon". You could easily argue that the "original canon" is 1-6, no problems. It just doesn't make sense to pick one of those and call it the one true canon when all of them are just as much of an interpretation of the fictional universe in question as any other.

Edited April 27 by AD_Bricks

[Something_Awesome]

16 minutes ago, AD_Bricks said:

Just to wrap this up

I think @Mandalorianknight is right here; the things people consider canon is subjective and up to interpretation. I get that you see only the original artist's contributions to the universe as the legitimate parts of that universe, but there's really no objective standard that makes that the "true" canon over any other. You could say that only the parts of the franchise that George Lucas made are the original, George-approved canon, and that that's your preferred interpretation of the fictional Star Wars universe, and that would be completely valid, but I don't think you're right in purporting that that's the only "true" canon or anything like that. Any one interpretation is as valid/correct as any other; regardless of if one of them was the original intention, one is the accepted list adhered to by the current rights holder, or one is whatever some random person has found the time to watch and decided that they like.

Episodes 1 - 6 is literally the canon. For example, you couldn't possibly proclaim "Star Wars isn't about George Lucas. That's not who we care about. It's about characters like Anakin/Vader, Luke, Leia, Qui-Gon, etc." Such a proclamation does not make sense as George, and any person he may have received input from to flesh things out (his wife?), is who birthed the characters and gave them the lives you may have enjoyed. Compare/contrast George's Luke and Disney's Luke. Such a comparison should not be needed, philosophically, but it illustrates how jarring it can be when the rights to an IP is sold.

Nothing about this is controversial. To be clear, my favorite Star Wars is Knights of the Old Republic. I am OK with it not being canon. I actually considered Star Wars, on the balance, to be bad until Bioware (one of the best story tellers until about 2008) came a long and gave us a Star Wars story.

Edited April 27 by Something_Awesome

[CloneCommando99]

5 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

(Also as a super minor nitpick to an otherwise very well put together statement, a lot of critics LOVED TLJ precisely for those "we've made the heroes depressed and not heroic" expectation subversion)

6 hours ago, TotoMagnus said:

I agree with most of your comment, just a small correction: The critics kinda adore(d) Episodes 7 & 8, judging by this list: https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/guide/all-star-wars-movies-ranked/

Ah mb 

6 hours ago, BrickPrick said:

I don't wanna go any more off-topic than we already are, so no specifics from me. But what i will say is, from my point of view, you were just dropping numerous truth bombs. I  agree with quite a lot of what you just said. It was well worth a read. 

Thanks.

 

The Turbo tank is going to be absolutely horrendous. Who greenlit this? Is this the LSW equivalent of DC’s Harley Quinn fart comic?
 

Fun fact: in the Most Beloved SW Characters page on Lego.com, Leia and Han are not represented by their minifigs unlike all the other characters, but rather by the midi scale Tantive and MF respectively.

This is a reference to how neither of them currently have on shelves minifigs of their base outfits. Or in Leia’s case an OT appearance whatsoever.

 

 

 

[BrickBob Studpants]

1 hour ago, Something_Awesome said:

Just like it would not make sense to consider seasons 7 and 8 of Game of Thrones on HBO to be canon. Those seasons were written by HBO. 

They are canon to the show tho  Not the books of course, but again, Star Wars is different. It never was a book adaptation to begin with, so that‘s a strange comparison.

Again, what you personally consider canon and actual, official canon aren’t the same. Official canon is only up to debate if events contradict each other.

4 hours ago, Darth_Bane13 said:

A rated R Star Wars horror movie would be insanely cool to me, like imagine "The Thing" or "Alien" done in Star Wars. 

Why exactly? If I want to see horror sci-fi, I‘ll watch a horror sci-fi film. Not sure what a SW horror film could provide that horror sci-fi doesn‘t already have. The victims wearing familiar armour? Implementing the force somehow? I honestly don‘t see the appeal here  Horror elements and tropes have been done in SW before, but an entire R-rated movie just feels off.

Besides, I want all SW shows and movies to have LEGO representation, and such a film obviously wouldn‘t, so no thanks.

[Mandalorianknight]

5 hours ago, CallumPears said:

Going back to this I've done the maths and if it's exactly scaled with the wheels then the new tank will be 87% of the 2016 model's length (6 stud wheels vs 6.875 stud wheels). 

Yeah at this point I just want to see it so we can laugh at it for a couple of days then move on.

I would say the Galactic Marines will surely have their backpacks... but they haven't done them for Imperial Snowtroopers since 2016 so maybe not. 

All the other versions of the Turbo Tank have included smaller builds (turret and speeder in 2005, command station and AT-RT in 2010, AT-RT in 2016). Imagine if they use a significant proportion of the parts on some (probably ridiculously oversized) speeder bikes like they did with the Bad Batch shuttle lol. 

Yeah the only way I can see them avoiding that is if they say it happened during one of the timeskips. Possible, but I kinda doubt they'd skip over something like that. I hate when retcons happen, especially nowadays when they said they were restarting the whole EU specifically to have a consistent continuity where they wouldn't need to retcon stuff, but hopefully it'll at least be done well (and with Andor I have no doubts about that). 

They need to sit down! (I never understood this- there are plenty of times where lego throws a "2x2 tile, modified with studs on edge" on the floor of a vehicle with no backing and goes "behold, a seat". No reason not to actually use that with figs who wear backpacks- people take off their backpacks to sit down in real life, and backless seats on military vehicles exist in real life...)

Yeah, there's a non-zero chance the tank itself (minus the wheels) ends up being ~600 pieces, which is just not enough. We might be getting the rumored Tiny Tank after all, just at triple the price.

I thought I'd seen some interview or something where they explicitly said they're redoing the meeting, but I might have been wrong. Either way it irks me a bit, but I've come to understand that we are back to tiered canon, so at this point I'm OK with it. Especially because there's a LOT of stuff in comics and novels I'm not a fan of, such as how they've fit like five massive galaxy-threatening events in the year gap between ESB and ROTJ which is just laughable to me.

4 hours ago, Darth_Bane13 said:

I'd be ok with a rated R Star Wars nowadays just because there's so much content anyways. Kids can still watch most of the shows like skeleton crew, Mandalorian, etc. A rated R Star Wars horror movie would be insanely cool to me, like imagine "The Thing" or "Alien" done in Star Wars. Marvel did an R rated and I'd say they're similar franchises in terms of demographics, heck Star Wars probably has more adult fans these days. 10 years ago I would've been against it but Disney has done so much irreparable damage at this point, I don't care about the current canon, I just want anything cool or interesting I can get.

Yeah it's a shame about the Turbo tank, it seems like every remake these days is worse than its predecessor. 

The thing (haha) is I don't think we need Star Wars alien or thing when we have Alien or thing. I don't mind novels like Red Harvest or Death Troopers as I think that the novels and comics aren't to the same standard as the onscreen media. I'd also be ok with something like the Screaming Citadel arc in the first run of canon Marvel SW comics, where it has spooky/gothic themes but is still primarily a Star Wars story rather than a horror story set in the star wars universe.
I also think that marvel is different- it as a universe is much more varied. It's universe first rather than story first, and it also has hundreds of different universes of characters, which can vary wildly in tone and characterization. It's how you can have a Logan (2017) about a character kids used to watch in X-men cartoons. This is also where I get into stuff like the marvelization of star wars- that's often used to just mean "quippy and lots of crossover" but in my case here I mean it as treating star wars as a universe in which any level of story or tone can be dropped in. This is personal preference but I prefer my star wars to feel like star wars, and to be within a rough range of tone and story type. This isn't to say I want it to all be homogenized- I think Clone Wars is a great example of the variety of tones you can get that all feel like star wars- but there's a limit to what I think should be allowed in star wars. I don't think star wars should have full on R-rated horror, or sexual content, or R-rated levels of graphic violence. That's not to say I'm against them in media in general- two of my favorite shows are Invincible and Netflix's Daredevil, which are both known for graphic violence and contain more explicitly sexual content than I'd want to see in star wars- they just don't fit what I think Star Wars should mean as a story.

3 hours ago, Coryo said:

If we're going to be getting another 'ugly sweater duo', I'm predicting it'll be Han and Lando reusing their faces from last year's Desert Skiff, with sweaters depicting the Falcon and Cloud City.

Honestly I'm not generally a fan of them using the print budget for the ACs on sweaters- I'd prefer either non-holiday exclusives or the santas- but something about the idea of Han and Lando being sweater bros is a lot of fun to me. Especially if Lando's sweater inexplicably has a knitted cape on it.

20 minutes ago, CloneCommando99 said:

The Turbo tank is going to be absolutely horrendous. Who greenlit this? Is this the LSW equivalent of DC’s (Redacted because nobody deserves to find out about that atrocity in a lego star wars thread)

Fun fact: in the Most Beloved SW Characters page on Lego.com, Leia and Han are not represented by their minifigs unlike all the other characters, but rather by the midi scale Tantive and MF respectively.

This is a reference to how neither of them currently have on shelves minifigs of their base outfits. Or in Leia’s case an OT appearance whatsoever.

Yeah any excitement I had for that set was gone, and I'm back to the only 2025 SW sets I'll be buying as two copies of the battle pack. And maybe that GWP if I end up getting the Ghost for the May 4th event.

If that isn't just a perfect example of how lego sees the theme "eh, who cares about minfigs of han and leia. the 50 year old men, the demographic comprising the only OT fans of course, prefer having model ships on their desk over normal lego sets. That's why they're buying our lego model ships, rather than normal model spaceships."

15 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

They are canon to the show tho  Not the books of course, but again, Star Wars is different. It never was a book adaptation to begin with, so that‘s a strange comparison.

Again, what you personally consider canon and actual, official canon aren’t the same. Official canon is only up to debate if events contradict each other.

Why exactly? If I want to see horror sci-fi, I‘ll watch a horror sci-fi film. Not sure what a SW horror film could provide that horror sci-fi doesn‘t already have. The victims wearing familiar armour? Implementing the force somehow? I honestly don‘t see the appeal here  Horror elements and tropes have been done in SW before, but an entire R-rated movie just feels off.

Besides, I want all SW shows and movies to have LEGO representation, and such a film obviously wouldn‘t, so no thanks.

I mean, from a certain point of view, the novelization did release first, in which case from a certain interpretation the true canon would only be that novelization and Splinter of the Mind's Eye.  (I was going to make a joke about how messed up Splinter of the Mind's Eye ends up being in legends, but in this version of the canon ROTJ wouldn't be true canon, so I guess it's fine)

But yeah of course, the official canon is, as of now, the original saga, TCW 2008, and anything published by disney... except for parts of the Ahsoka novel... the Kanan comic.... the Cassian and K2 comic... assumably the Son of Dathomir comic will be overwritten... ( I agree in general- it's all up to interpretation what any person wants to consider canon, but officially the current canon includes all the disney stuff and the legends canon is the old tiered system, but it is funny that the new disney canon also has fallen into the tiered system it was set up to avoid.)

Yeah, exactly. Not everything needs to be in star wars. It doesn't intrinsically benefit from having shocking/edgy/horror/graphically violent content.

Edited April 27 by Mandalorianknight

[Something_Awesome]

39 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

They are canon to the show tho  Not the books of course, but again, Star Wars is different. It never was a book adaptation to begin with, so that‘s a strange comparison.

Yes, looks like we agree. There is HBO Game of Thrones and then there is Game of Thrones. There is Disney Star Wars, and then there is Star Wars.

46 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Again, what you personally consider canon and actual, official canon aren’t the same. Official canon is only up to debate if events contradict each other.

Nothing being debated. Just saying there is Star Wars and Disney Star Wars, which we seemed to agree on.

2 hours ago, AD_Bricks said:

You probably haven't read my last post yet, but either way, there's no objective standard to say what "the canon" or "the true canon" actually is. The "Disney canon" is easy to define, and is probably also what you'd call the "official canon". You could easily argue that the "original canon" is 1-6, no problems. It just doesn't make sense to pick one of those and call it the one true canon when all of them are just as much of an interpretation of the fictional universe in question as any other.

The canon is what the creator says is canon.

[MKJoshA]

Canon talk is way off topic now.

Stay on target

[lego the hutt]

15 hours ago, Something_Awesome said:

Technically, the art comes from the art's artist. LotR comes from Tolkien, Star Wars from George Lucas, Harry Potter from JK Rowling. All Disney did was convince George to sell his legal right to using what he created so that Disney can put George's Star Wars skin over their own stories. In short, a Fortune 500 company bought the rights to an IP so they can place a skin over their own stories. A skin like in Fortnite, Marvel Rivals, or Overwatch. The Disney company can now use the names, the sounds, and even the lightsabers, exclusively. The skin does not make Star Wars, George does (for better or worse).

I suppose a counter argument could be that Filoni is George's protege (he's not, but let's assume he is) and that whatever Filoni writes is also canon. Well, let's assume that you studied art under Picasso for your entire life up until the point he passed away. And let's say you made an art piece precisely as you believe Picasso would have created it. It's not a Picasso, it's an AD_Bricks. Of course, I am being generous with my example as Filoni has never tried to make a work of Star Wars precisely as George would have. 

Hence episodes 1-6 are the canon. I think two names from the franchise are appropriate: Star Wars and Disney Star Wars.

This is very short sighted to only give credit to one person.  Especially with the George example, you should be crediting writers and directors and artists etc.  You are under valuing the contributions of others.

[Max_Lego]

Personalities, who create Star Wars, do not matter. What matters is whether the next installment in the franchise directly contradicts the previous or not. That's why there is no single, uncontradictory Canon in the so-called "Star Wars universe", be it Legends or Disney.

The Prequels may have been created by Lucas, but it doesn't stop them from directly contradicting the Originals multiple times. I only consider the OT (their initial, pre-"special editions" versions, with a few minor changes made to ANH I already mentioned on this forum) as undoubtedly canon. Absolutely anything else SW directly contradicts the OT and, therefore, is not canon. 

Neither Kathleen Kennedy or even Lucas himself have the right to determine what is canon or not. I strongly oppose to the idea of blindly following someone else's decisions and not making your own conclusions. 

I am sorry for continuing this discussion, not authorised by our mod, but I had to say this because I believe it is important. Dixi

[CallumPears]

5 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

Especially because there's a LOT of stuff in comics and novels I'm not a fan of, such as how they've fit like five massive galaxy-threatening events in the year gap between ESB and ROTJ which is just laughable to me.

Yeah I've given up on following the modern comic run with all that stuff. 

 

As for Advent Calendar figures, I basically view them the same way as RTG, Freemakers, etc. I prefer when they're just normal figures that might be too obscure for a regular set, but if they do make them Christmas-themed then at least have some parts I can salvage for customs.