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[gman42]

6 hours ago, Max_Lego said:

K2 openly states he didn't finish calculations.

My main problem is not only the inconsistency between the OT and RO, but the gravity well theory, which explained hyperspace travel in the OT and was ruined by subsequent  installments. SW may be an imaginary universe, but every imaginary universe has its rules, which shouldn't be subjects of violation for the sake of storytelling.

I don't really get this particular complaint, it's clear that what Cassian was doing was rash and dangerous, but also that K2 was being too pedantic and ignoring the fact that their ship was about to be swallowed up by a debris cloud in about five seconds.  His flippant "I'll make them for you" response was his way of saying "yeah I know this is like a coinflip that we die but if we don't do anything we're dead anyway".

I do fully agree that the whole aspect of Galen intentionally putting in a vulnerability totally sucks and should have been changed.  I'm not sure how easy it would have been to express this without too much exposition, but a better solution would be to show him poring over 'blueprints' of the station and finding the vulnerability, starting to fix the design, and then having a come-to-Jesus moment and quietly undoing the changes.  Then just tell Jyn more or less that he's sitting on a dangerous secret about the vulnerability of the DS instead of having put it there.

Overall I get what you're saying about RO fan service.  It's hit or miss for me, Dr. Ezavan and Ponda Baba can be explained away as them being on their way to their ship to take off and they were long gone before the blast, but it's stupid and they add nothing.  The brief little scene of R2 and 3PO was silly and clearly just an opportunity to say they've been in every SW movie to date.  Other stuff I enjoyed more like the lost footage of Red/Gold leader in the battle over Scarif.  Personally I enjoy the movie a lot, it's a flawed but very entertaining watch.

Edited May 14 by gman42

[Mandalorianknight]

15 hours ago, BrickPrick said:

Yes....exactly. Written as fine as beskar armour is durable. 

Thank you!

9 hours ago, MKJoshA said:

Stop it! You're ruining one of my favorite Star Wars films!

To try and fix it, and respond to Max_Lego's second round-

7 hours ago, Max_Lego said:

Alright, I think I should explain further:

K2 openly states he didn't finish calculations.

My main problem is not only the inconsistency between the OT and RO, but the gravity well theory, which explained hyperspace travel in the OT and was ruined by subsequent  installments. SW may be an imaginary universe, but every imaginary universe has its rules, which shouldn't be subjects of violation for the sake of storytelling.

I think you missed my point. In ANH, the Rebel supreme command determined the mission and instructed the pilots. Wedge doesn't believe in the mission's success, but he understands that "a good soldier follows orders" and obeys. In RO, they have a 'council', which consists of senators, generals, droids, pilots and technicians and makes decisions based on voting (?!). One character openly expressed unwillingness to confront the Empire (?!!! Aren't you an armed opposition?!). There is a significant difference between the two portrayals.

My point was that the exhaust vent is too well-protected and hard to hit to be a deliberate flaw. It's heavily implied in ANH that had Luke used the computer, he would've failed just like Garven Dreis. Only the Force helped him succeed. There's no way Galen Erso could seriously count on Jedi assistance  

This is Jedha, right? If I remember right, this is seen as a big risk they were taking that was only done because the other option was a 100% chance of exploding. I'd assume there was significant risk involved- it doesn't make han solo look like an idiot, as there's no situations in the OT where the only options are "uncalculated hyperspace jump" or "immediate fiery death". Is the gravity well theory ever explicitly stated in the OT? Because if not, it's not an inconsistency with those films, just supplemental material.

There's a few things here- For one thing, the actual voting leadership of the rebel council does not include droids or your average joe technicians- it's a few senators and generals led by Mon Mothma. There's nothing in the OT that would imply the remaining members of the council didn't make the plan for the trench run offscreen- indeed, Dodanna is a member of that council and we see Mon Mothma running the show in ROTJ. Yes, the characters have disagreements on how to deal with the enemy forces- this is a real thing that exists even in my own country's military structure. It's not inconsistent to assume any argument would have been hashed out by that council before the plan was told to the low level troops, and it's also pretty reasonable to assume that the rebels were galvanized to act after scarif. (And as a side note, "good soldiers follow orders" is not a "good guy" thing in star wars- it's quite literally what the clones say when brainwashed to commit genocide upon a religious order.)

Well, Galen couldn't put a giant self destruct button on the battle station without the empire noticing, right? It had to be something they wouldn't spot, which means it would be hard to hit. If you're saying it's an inconsistency because you personally think it would be completely impossible without the force, I don't think that's on the movie, I think that's on your interpretation of it. Luke using the force to make that shot doesn't mean it would have been literally impossible without it- clearly even in ANH the rebels think it's possible even without knowing Luke has the force.

Overall it seems like RO doesn't contradict anything actually stated or explicitly shown in the OT, and moreso your personal interpretation of the movie and implications you wanted to draw from it.

Edited May 14 by Mandalorianknight

[Mandalorianknight]

8 hours ago, Swordy said:

As the crawl to the third episode in the Star Wars saga goes, “There are heroes and villains on both sides.” The advantage Andor has over Ep III is that the former has ten more hours with the same cast of characters than the other with its. Nonetheless, the complexities have always been there—especially with characters like Mace vs Obi-Wan, Dooku vs Grievous, even yet Vader vs Tarkin, Piett vs Motti, why just Lando Calrissian for the sake of it—but given the two hour length of each Saga film, generalizations have to occur.

Saw is absolutely an anti-villian, to use such a phrase, and post-CW has always been depicted as such; that is not the least bit controversial. Syril is a flawed individual with a good heart, a man who wishes to live a life of conscience, twisted by a sinister empire… reminds me of another tragic villain in a previous Star Wars.

Yes, they have, but TLG still remain hesitant toward zombies—ghouls, vampires, werewolves a plenty, but only a limited run CMF introduced the zombie. (Even the 3in1 Haunted House excluded them.) However, this case in SW is unique in that the zombies’ faces are covered, only the heads are truly zombified, and LEGO minifig heads aren’t all that scary anyway. (The previous zombie was Cap from, again, a CMF, right?)

That’s a good point. However, parents themselves can be discerning enough to turn off Andor once he steps in the club on Morlano. (I’m still back at Twilight getting a set, albeit an 18+ one—what’s next, Firefly?)

LSW:RtB seemed pretty keen on using Andor iconography (Tac-Pod and Narkina jumpsuits) so I wouldn’t discount the osmosis effect from the love people have for the show seeping into media kids enjoy. Regardless of that, something like the U-Wing works: a cool and well-known ship with fresh new characters from a beloved show. I know everyone keeps harping on the TIE Avenger, but that’s because it would work so well as an additional set.
Meanwhile, I’ll continue campaigning for a playscale Fondor—a midi-scale version would lack in size and obviously minifig potential, in my opinion.

Yes, exactly- nobody's saying it's the first time moral greyness has been in the franchise, just that andor's able to explore it a lot more than most shows.

I agree that that's who he is, but unfortunately I know there are some people out there who think fighting the empire justifies him being "a little extreme"- I am absolutely not one of them. The whole "he killed tech" thing aside objectively speaking saw is the terrorist the empire wishes all the rebels were.

This is totally off-topic, but we have had plenty of zombies in lego before- whenever lego does a spooky theme, like CMF 14 or the Monster Fighters theme, we get a rash of zombies- four in Monster Fighters and three in CMF 14, plus the occasional one in Vidyo or the halloween exclusives. They even put a zombie-like Mummy in the indiana jones well of souls a few years back despite the mummy not actually being an animate creature in that movie.

This is true but the same with any mature property parents wouldn't be OK with their kids watching, and lego still likes to avoid them.

This is also true, though I'd argue it wouldn't translate much- the Tac Pod was there as part of lego's time honored tradition of their tie in material containing recent sets no matter how well they connect. The Narkina jumpsuits are a fun easter egg but no kid is going to buy a Kino Loy Prison Monologue set just because Yoda wore the same jumpsuit in RTG. (On the flip side of this, I don't think there'd be any issue throwing one of the Narkina suited jedi into an RTG set.)

Edited May 14 by Mandalorianknight
Sorry for double post, thought the replies would merge.

[CallumPears]

2 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

On the flip side of this, I don't think there'd be any issue throwing one of the Narkina suited jedi into an RTG set.

In the hypothetical case that this happens I hope they'd change the design slightly to not have the green skin showing around his neck since that would ruin the reusability. 

2 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

This is totally off-topic, but we have had plenty of zombies in lego before

Yeah as you listed there have been a LOT of them. 

10 hours ago, Max_Lego said:

My main problem is not only the inconsistency between the OT and RO, but the gravity well theory, which explained hyperspace travel in the OT

I love Rogue One, but yeah I hated that scene too for exactly this reason. You can't hyperspace while still being so close to a planet due to the gravity. It's how interdictors work. 

Edited May 14 by CallumPears

[Llewop]

Without spoiling, I loved Andor finale it saddens me that I will Never enjoy a piece of SW media like I have this series and R1. It’s crazy that Disney can produce quality like this but then also throw out series that don’t quite hit the mark. Never had an emotional attachment the way I did with this, I wish they’d stuck with the original 5 series plan. 

But back to Lego - Andor could easily provide inspiration for numerous sets from multiple possible Imperial BPs to small imperial land or air/space vehicle sets. I just hope that some of the designers at Lego share the same feeling and have the creative freedom to do so over the coming years. 

last thing about Andor it’s mad just how many like small time random British actors that were in like eastenders or phone shop suddenly ended up being in Star Wars like must be pretty cool. 

if I didn’t have work in the morning or kids who wake up at silly o clock I’d be watching R1 right now but that’ll have to wait until another day 

[BrickPrick]

Speaking of the new MTT,  would the total amount of two rumoured minifigures reach a new low ground for a play set of this price point? I can not for the life of me remember anything this low... not in this price range. Even though the 2014 MTT had just three true minifigs and eight B1s (plus an additional droid). So going from that, i don't find it that hard to believe. Of course, it makes a lot of sense to include a bunch of B1s in a Multi-Troop Transport. And the rumoured ten Battle Droids, which might bode well for a much bigger carrying capacity this time around, could make up for the lack of characters to some extent. The question is... is it enough? Because no matter how you slice it, 2 minifigs for a $160 play set sounds really rough on paper. I mean, all this time you get all these big Republic vehicles with very little Seperatist side as a counterpart to fight against. Now you actually get something for once, yet neglecting a rare opportunity to finally include a Seperatist leader in a fitting set, screams like wasted potential to me. Speaking of which...

Day #10 of asking Lego not to violate the upcoming Clone Turbo Tank. 

Edited May 15 by BrickPrick

[Nobricksleft]

5 hours ago, Llewop said:

But back to Lego - Andor could easily provide inspiration for numerous sets from multiple possible Imperial BPs to small imperial land or air/space vehicle sets. I just hope that some of the designers at Lego share the same feeling and have the creative freedom to do so over the coming years. 

I'm halfway through the last block of episodes and I also feel confident we will get more Andor sets. It's just too good for Lego to ignore this show like they did during season 1. They will either smell the money or want to be associated with the hype. Maybe not full playset waves like the movies but I am counting on something more. Come on Lego, move.

[Darth_Bane13]

2 hours ago, BrickPrick said:

Speaking of the new MTT,  would the total amount of two rumoured minifigures reach a new low ground for a play set of this price point? I can not for the life of me remember anything this low... not in this price range. Even though the 2014 MTT had just three true minifigs and eight B1s (plus an additional droid). So going from that, i don't find it that hard to believe. Of course, it makes a lot of sense to include a bunch of B1s in a Multi-Troop Transport. And the rumoured ten Battle Droids, which might bode well for a much bigger carrying capacity this time around, could make up for the lack of characters to some extent. The question is... is it enough? Because no matter how you slice it, 2 minifigs for a $160 play set sounds really rough on paper. I mean, all this time you get all these big Republic vehicles with very little Seperatist side as a counterpart to fight against. Now you actually get something for once, yet neglecting a rare opportunity to finally include a Seperatist leader in a fitting set, screams like wasted potential to me. Speaking of which...

Day #10 of asking Lego not to violate the upcoming Clone Turbo Tank. 

They should've put Wat Tambor and Count Dooku in the set instead of Aayla and Bly, would've liked a few more battle droids as well.

[MKJoshA]

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[CF Mitch]

5 hours ago, Darth_Bane13 said:

They should've put Wat Tambor and Count Dooku in the set instead of Aayla and Bly, would've liked a few more battle droids as well.

Excuse me? What do you mean 'instead of'?  Don't you mean 'as well as'?  

1 hour ago, MKJoshA said:

Everyone, I've created a new Media topic here in the Star Wars part of the forum. No one (myself included) was using the old media topic so I've made a new one here for faster access. Please continue any and all media discussion there. For that topic, please wait 24 hours before discussing new content. Right now that means all Andor episodes are fair game. Read the topic at your own risk. Spoilers are likely.

Thank you!

About the expected August wave news... 
We've established SW is one of the last to receive it, but can anyone tell about when we should be getting it?  

Regards,
Mitch

[BrickPrick]

7 hours ago, Darth_Bane13 said:

They should've put Wat Tambor and Count Dooku in the set instead of Aayla and Bly, would've liked a few more battle droids as well.

For the money they are charging, i say these would have been admirable additions, rather than just reasonable replacements. Although the latter would still be an improvement. A few more Battle Droids would not have hurt as well. For the sake of the maker, please don't let them be all regular ones. There needs to be a Commander at the very least.

3 hours ago, MKJoshA said:

Everyone, I've created a new Media topic here in the Star Wars part of the forum. No one (myself included) was using the old media topic so I've made a new one here for faster access. Please continue any and all media discussion there. For that topic, please wait 24 hours before discussing new content. Right now that means all Andor episodes are fair game. Read the topic at your own risk. Spoilers are likely.

Thank you. I've been carried away here and there as well. Who would have thought it could get kinda difficult joining a big forum that exists for the maker knows how long. And you just show up one day, ready to share all these different thoughts collected over the years, let alone talking about all the new impressions as well. Just so much stuff to catch up to.

We did it, guys. 

1 hour ago, CF Mitch said:

About the expected August wave news... 
We've established SW is one of the last to receive it, but can anyone tell about when we should be getting it?  

Regards,
Mitch

June sounds realistic to me. You know, from a certain point of view. 

Edited May 15 by BrickPrick
Yes.

[BrickBob Studpants]

Who knows, the MTT minifig list may be incomplete still! Not getting my hopes up though. Just because we were pleasantly surprised before doesn’t mean it’s likely to happen again here

[CF Mitch]

44 minutes ago, BrickPrick said:

June sounds realistic to me. You know, from a certain point of view. 

That sounds somewhat encouraging, at least  

40 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Who knows, the MTT minifig list may be incomplete still! Not getting my hopes up though. 

I believe, so far, the minifig list for the MTT consists of Aayla Secura, Commander Bly and ten (super) battle droids, right? If you don't count BD's as minifigures I realize that doesn't sound like a lot at all, and even then, 10 BD's sounds like a LOT.
My estimate is that there will be at least one more minifigure and about 5 battle droids in total, in the end.

But yeah, let's not get our hopes up too much  

Regards,
Mitch

[AD_Bricks]

It's going to be crazy buying two of the most expensive playsets of the year (~$140-180) this August and only getting the number of minifigs that you'd usually get from buying only one playset in that price range (six-ish) instead of double that

(CTT and MTT if that wasn't clear - Aayla, Ki-Adi, Bly, Bacara, and 2 generic troops should be what comes in one large set, not spread out over two)

Edited May 15 by AD_Bricks

[Max_Lego]

4 hours ago, MKJoshA said:

Everyone, I've created a new Media topic here in the Star Wars part of the forum. No one (myself included) was using the old media topic so I've made a new one here for faster access. Please continue any and all media discussion there. For that topic, please wait 24 hours before discussing new content. Right now that means all Andor episodes are fair game. Read the topic at your own risk. Spoilers are likely.

Thanks! 

[BrickPrick]

3 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Who knows, the MTT minifig list may be incomplete still! Not getting my hopes up though. Just because we were pleasantly surprised before doesn’t mean it’s likely to happen again here

That's the thing, at one hand you've got suspension of disbelief, as the minifigure line-up leaves quite a lot to be desired. On the other hand, this is exactly why, in a "yep, sounds like Lego alright" kinda way, it's not hard to believe at all.

2 hours ago, CF Mitch said:

That sounds somewhat encouraging, at least  

My estimate is that there will be at least one more minifigure and about 5 battle droids in total, in the end.

Of course, this is merely speculation on my part. So don't quote me on that... anymore than you already did, that is. 

I would sacrifice a couple of Battle Droids in favour of a completely new character like Wat Tambor in a heartbeat. But i doubt Lego is gonna see it that way. 

2 hours ago, AD_Bricks said:

It's going to be crazy buying two of the most expensive playsets of the year (~$140-180) this August and only getting the number of minifigs that you'd usually get from buying only one playset in that price range (six-ish) instead of double that

(CTT and MTT if that wasn't clear - Aayla, Ki-Adi, Bly, Bacara, and 2 generic troops should be what comes in one large set, not spread out over two)

That's such a sad and true realization. To go a little beyond that, the same can almost be said about the piece count. For instance, the Imperial Star Destroyer has 1555 pieces and sells for $160. Both sets (CTT & MTT), will be just shy of 1800 pieces. The only difference... They will be sold at almost twice the price. This is just insanity. Not even larger pieces and a couple of new moulds can justify this enermous price gap. 

Edited May 15 by BrickPrick

[Kaijumeister]

I don’t know if I’m overreacting (probably am), but not getting a single substantial 1000 piece+ playset this year with a sizeable minifigure selection feels like genuine insanity. Just looking at the past few years: 

- 2024: Onyx Cinder, Dark Falcon, ISD, and the TIE Fighter & X-Wing mashup.

- 2023: Coruscant Guard Gunship, Ghost, E-Wing vs. Fiend Fighter, and Yavin IV.

- 2022: Justifier and AT-TE. But honourable mention to the Scythe due to having a good piece count, minifigure selection, and substantial build.

And now in 2025, the ‘biggest’ playsets we’re getting this year are the CTT and MTT.

@CF Mitch The beginning of July is probably a safe bet for getting those summer pictures. Last year was a little weird because we got some images in May (ISD if I recall), some in June (the Rebuild the Galaxy stuff), and then the rest in July (Desert Skiff and Duel on Peridea). 

Also @BrickBob Studpants, thanks for correcting me! Completely forgot we’re getting One Piece sets this year 

[Mandalorianknight]

13 hours ago, Darth_Bane13 said:

They should've put Wat Tambor and Count Dooku in the set instead of Aayla and Bly, would've liked a few more battle droids as well.

Seriously- the one separatist set to balance all the clone stuff and they still feel the need to put republic minifigs in instead of separatist ones. God forbid we be deprived of any more clone troopers.

6 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Who knows, the MTT minifig list may be incomplete still! Not getting my hopes up though. Just because we were pleasantly surprised before doesn’t mean it’s likely to happen again here

I feel like with all the big SW playsets recently, we get FEWER figs than initially leaked, not more. Yavin, the "death star playset", etc all had fewer figures than we were told.

5 hours ago, AD_Bricks said:

It's going to be crazy buying two of the most expensive playsets of the year (~$140-180) this August and only getting the number of minifigs that you'd usually get from buying only one playset in that price range (six-ish) instead of double that

(CTT and MTT if that wasn't clear - Aayla, Ki-Adi, Bly, Bacara, and 2 generic troops should be what comes in one large set, not spread out over two)

To be fair, while I agree they're both too low, a number of the sets you mentioned only had 5 minifigs or 4+ an astromech, which isn't that much of a leap.

Don't get me wrong though, I agree in general. Especially on the MTT- I'd be ok with only two minifigs if there were a ton of droids, but it's not even that many droids.

[BrickPrick]

2 hours ago, Kaijumeister said:

I don’t know if I’m overreacting (probably am), but not getting a single substantial 1000 piece+ playset this year with a sizeable minifigure selection feels like genuine insanity. Just looking at the past few years: 

- 2024: Onyx Cinder, Dark Falcon, ISD, and the TIE Fighter & X-Wing mashup.

- 2023: Coruscant Guard Gunship, Ghost, E-Wing vs. Fiend Fighter, and Yavin IV.

- 2022: Justifier and AT-TE. But honourable mention to the Scythe due to having a good piece count, minifigure selection, and substantial build.

And now in 2025, the ‘biggest’ playsets we’re getting this year are the CTT and MTT.

I don't think this is a overreaction at all. The many recent examples you have stated for the sake of a direct, fair comparison beg to differ. 

37 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

Seriously- the one separatist set to balance all the clone stuff and they still feel the need to put republic minifigs in instead of separatist ones. God forbid we be deprived of any more clone troopers.

I feel like with all the big SW playsets recently, we get FEWER figs than initially leaked, not more. Yavin, the "death star playset", etc all had fewer figures than we were told.

Yeah, even i grow sick and tired of it all. 

That's true. It usually gets worse before it can get any better. The only relatives recent counterargument set i can think of is the last Republic Fighter Tank, which actually included an additional two Battle Droids. The new CTT might have a pair of them as well, but since we are talking about full minifigures, this isn't gonna help the case that much either. 

[Llewop]

6 hours ago, CF Mitch said:

I believe, so far, the minifig list for the MTT consists of Aayla Secura, Commander Bly and ten (super) battle droids, right? If you don't count BD's as minifigures I realize that doesn't sound like a lot at all, and even then, 10 BD's sounds like a LOT.
My estimate is that there will be at least one more minifigure and about 5 battle droids in total, in the end.

But yeah, let's not get our hopes up too much  

Regards,
Mitch

I imagine 10 is the right number of droids you’ll have some that are part of the MTT like the old one and then a couple on the outside. But I could have sworn there was a rumour that there was going to be one separatist figure in the set 

[Darth_Bane13]

10 hours ago, CF Mitch said:

Excuse me? What do you mean 'instead of'?  Don't you mean 'as well as'?  

I'm just being realistic here , ideally there would be more battle droids like the 2007 MTT.

2 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

Seriously- the one separatist set to balance all the clone stuff and they still feel the need to put republic minifigs in instead of separatist ones. God forbid we be deprived of any more clone troopers.

Yeah and of course the big clone set this year has no separatist figures 

[ArrowBricks]

4 hours ago, Kaijumeister said:

I don’t know if I’m overreacting (probably am), but not getting a single substantial 1000 piece+ playset this year with a sizeable minifigure selection feels like genuine insanity. Just looking at the past few years: 

- 2024: Onyx Cinder, Dark Falcon, ISD, and the TIE Fighter & X-Wing mashup.

- 2023: Coruscant Guard Gunship, Ghost, E-Wing vs. Fiend Fighter, and Yavin IV.

- 2022: Justifier and AT-TE. But honourable mention to the Scythe due to having a good piece count, minifigure selection, and substantial build.

And now in 2025, the ‘biggest’ playsets we’re getting this year are the CTT and MTT.

@CF Mitch The beginning of July is probably a safe bet for getting those summer pictures. Last year was a little weird because we got some images in May (ISD if I recall), some in June (the Rebuild the Galaxy stuff), and then the rest in July (Desert Skiff and Duel on Peridea). 

Also @BrickBob Studpants, thanks for correcting me! Completely forgot we’re getting One Piece sets this year 

I made the argument in the future Star Wars sets thread that there is a gap in the market currently for AFOLS that can’t afford UCS sets but want detailed sets with good features and figures.

Not sure a downscaled Turbo Tank and an MTT fill my desire to buy Lego Star Wars at an affordable, worthwhile price. 

[Mandalorianknight]

28 minutes ago, ArrowBricks said:

I made the argument in the future Star Wars sets thread that there is a gap in the market currently for AFOLS that can’t afford UCS sets but want detailed sets with good features and figures.

Not sure a downscaled Turbo Tank and an MTT fill my desire to buy Lego Star Wars at an affordable, worthwhile price. 

I think these two sentences perfectly exacerbate the problem lego does have. You want sets cheaper than UCS sets, but with-

-Larger

-More detailed

-Have good features (assuming play features)

-Better/more figures

The May UCS pricepoint has generally been $40-60 from the most expensive system price point- don't get me wrong, I think even without seeing the builds we know there are issues with both this year's flagship sets and that they're both overpriced, but "it needs to be more affordable and also better in every way" isn't really something that's realistic to expect out of any product. 

To use the turbo tank as an example- a lot of people point to the 2010 one as the best turbo tank. That set would be almost $180 today purely adjusting for inflation- and that's with significantly less detail than we have today. It included six minifigures- none of which have leg printing, and four of which are repeats. If lego released the exact same product today with the inflation adjusted price, people would be outraged. Realistically speaking, if we want more detailed figs, 2025 part density/detailing, etc, either we have to compromise in other places, or we're creeping dangerously close to justified UCS pricing, even discounting how much lego would actually charge for a product like that.

Now it's also absolutely true that the current turbo tank and MTT are almost certainly going to be overpriced and not good sets. But if lego's just hearing "we want bigger and more detailed and more figs and more accurate/detailed figs but is also has to be more affordable than UCS sets"... I don't have much faith in lego learning the right lessons in the best of circumstances, but how do they draw improvements from that?

[ArrowBricks]

1 hour ago, Mandalorianknight said:

I think these two sentences perfectly exacerbate the problem lego does have. You want sets cheaper than UCS sets, but with-

-Larger

-More detailed

-Have good features (assuming play features)

-Better/more figures

The May UCS pricepoint has generally been $40-60 from the most expensive system price point- don't get me wrong, I think even without seeing the builds we know there are issues with both this year's flagship sets and that they're both overpriced, but "it needs to be more affordable and also better in every way" isn't really something that's realistic to expect out of any product. 

To use the turbo tank as an example- a lot of people point to the 2010 one as the best turbo tank. That set would be almost $180 today purely adjusting for inflation- and that's with significantly less detail than we have today. It included six minifigures- none of which have leg printing, and four of which are repeats. If lego released the exact same product today with the inflation adjusted price, people would be outraged. Realistically speaking, if we want more detailed figs, 2025 part density/detailing, etc, either we have to compromise in other places, or we're creeping dangerously close to justified UCS pricing, even discounting how much lego would actually charge for a product like that.

Now it's also absolutely true that the current turbo tank and MTT are almost certainly going to be overpriced and not good sets. But if lego's just hearing "we want bigger and more detailed and more figs and more accurate/detailed figs but is also has to be more affordable than UCS sets"... I don't have much faith in lego learning the right lessons in the best of circumstances, but how do they draw improvements from that?

I did type out a much larger response than this, but thought better of it. I can think of many, many sets 10-15 years ago that met all these requirements, hence I do strongly believe what I am asking for is certainly realistic. 

For 2025, my options are buy a Slave One at £260, a Death Star at $1000, or some displayable buildable droids and/or helmets. 

1 is extremely expensive, 2 are designed to be mainly displayable, and 1 realistically meets most of my requirements detailed in my previous post, albeit still expensive. 

A downscaled Turbo Tank and MTT doesn’t satisfy me, and most would agree. Granted this assumes the figures match the stylistic choices of the past few years, which would be disappointing, and they are in fact downscales. 

The flagship system scale sets are getting smaller whilst UCS sets are getting larger and more expensive, leaving a big gap in the market for folks like myself. 

Ultimately, I don’t think I’m being unreasonable with my requests. There’s a gap, and it’s widening. 

“but how do they draw improvements from that” - I think you answered your own question in your own post. Stop producing naff downscaled sets - which such a decision ultimately feels like is designed to increase sales of increasingly pricier UCS sets.

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Regarding the MTT. if it can only rack 10 droids, it will be disappointing. I would hope we could supplement the set with our own droids for it to rack at least 16 to be a more convincing MTT. The 2007 MTT could rack 16 droids. In any case, if it racks 10 only, it will still be much better than the 2014 MTT. 

Regarding the Turbo Tank, it needs to be able to hold an adequate amount of troops. The 2016 CTT did not have adequate space in the interior; it was cluttered. and that was its biggest flaw and why it is a bad set. The 2006 CTT could hold a bunch of troops.

This is the funny thing. LEGO Star Wars should be better than it was 20 years ago, without exception; however, this is not the case. We have two beloved vehicles coming out (MTT and CTT) and it seems like the variants of these vehicles 20 years ago will end up being vastly superior. This should not be the case. Ever.