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[BrickBob Studpants]

S2 of Andor was great and led to a satisfying conclusion, but I’m really disappointed K2 only properly showed up in 2 episodes out of 24 in total  

[CF Mitch]

Andor really was an amazing show! Every character arc was properly finished/solved (whatever you wanna call it) and/or lines up with how things will turn out in Rogue One.
Though I kinda feel Bail Organa was a little more aggressive than we've seen him so far...? Verbally, that is, of course, but still.

1 hour ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

S2 of Andor was great and led to a satisfying conclusion, but I’m really disappointed K2 only properly showed up in 2 episodes out of 24 in total  

It would've been fun to see more of him, indeed.
I read somewhere there was an episode written of a horror-style story about him just waking up after being reprogrammed, that might've been cool to see.

Regards,
Mitch

[MKJoshA]

I thought the 2nd arc of Andor season 2 was the weakest, but overall I loved it. One thing I don't quite agree with is Cyril's ending. Maybe I missed the clues in the 2nd arc, but his sudden realization of what the Empire was doing and then his revulsion at it doesn't seem to fit his character. I get it was a crisis of conscience, but that doesn't fit with how I saw him portrayed throughout season 1 and the first part of season 2. Can anyone point out some clues I might have missed?

[Kaijumeister]

59 minutes ago, MKJoshA said:

I thought the 2nd arc of Andor season 2 was the weakest, but overall I loved it. One thing I don't quite agree with is Cyril's ending. Maybe I missed the clues in the 2nd arc, but his sudden realization of what the Empire was doing and then his revulsion at it doesn't seem to fit his character. I get it was a crisis of conscience, but that doesn't fit with how I saw him portrayed throughout season 1 and the first part of season 2. Can anyone point out some clues I might have missed?

I’ve always seen Syril as someone who wants to see themselves as the hero and who genuinely thinks they’re doing the right thing. Pair that with a desperate need for validation (thanks Eedy…) and voila.

In Season 2 Arc 2, I think he’s all caught up in the idea of helping the ISB catch ‘outside agitators’ on Ghorman. He thinks he’s doing the right thing. But one year later by Arc 3, the Empire has been pretending less and less about their true intentions and that’s what makes him snap. He rushes back into the crowd of protestors but almost reflexively, as soon as he sees Cassian his old programming of ‘this is the man who ruined my life’ kicks in and all he can do with his rage and sense of betrayal is attack him. Just my take anyway - I do think the one year time jumps means there’s a lot we don’t see happening and just have to infer.

But yeah, this is one of my favourite pieces of Star Wars media (objectively speaking, I don’t think anything in the franchise has been as competently made as Andor). Where Rogue One adds so much weight to ANH, Andor now adds so much weight to Rogue One and the Rebellion as a whole - the sheer amount of sacrifice it took for the Alliance to form. 

It’s amazing to hear Tony Gilroy, Dan Gilroy, Beau Willimon etc. talk about the scriptwriting process and the sheer amount of thought and collaboration that goes into it. So much work went into this show upfront and it truly shows. I would love to see this sort of due diligence applied to other shows and films too - not everyone is Tony Gilroy and his team nor should they be, but Lucasfilm could learn a lot from this.

[Mandalorianknight]

7 hours ago, MKJoshA said:

I thought the 2nd arc of Andor season 2 was the weakest, but overall I loved it. One thing I don't quite agree with is Cyril's ending. Maybe I missed the clues in the 2nd arc, but his sudden realization of what the Empire was doing and then his revulsion at it doesn't seem to fit his character. I get it was a crisis of conscience, but that doesn't fit with how I saw him portrayed throughout season 1 and the first part of season 2. Can anyone point out some clues I might have missed?

Syril's always wanted to do the right thing- he doesn't know that the imperials are the bad guys and from that perspective, he's the "good guy"-

he starts hunting Andor because he killed two coworkers and his boss tried to cover it up. He keeps going after being fired because he knows no one else will bring him to justice, and ends up falling in love with one of the only people in his government who seems competent at her job.

During the Ghorman arc, while undercover, he's able to see the truth of what's going on without the empire restricting his information. So when he realizes the empire's just making a ploy to destroy the planet, he flips out, because his whole worldview is flipped upside down- the government he's been fighting for isn't one just riddled with incompetence, but one where the competent people, including the woman he loves, are actively committing false flag operations so they can destroy a planet. He essentially starts to break free of imperial conditioning, and tragically, while he's still struggling with the shock of this runs into Cassian- who's essentially this guy's Boogeyman- and tries to kill him.

9 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

S2 of Andor was great and led to a satisfying conclusion, but I’m really disappointed K2 only properly showed up in 2 episodes out of 24 in total  

He is fun, but doesn't fit the tone of the show much- I couldn't see K quipping his way through the Ghorman Massacre or Bix leaving or Brasso's death. And ironically, he isn't in the two funniest moments in the show (Melshi walking directly into the ISB beams and then just staring at them or Saw's whole "you don't know me, I'm in the wind, I'm a shadow in the night" speech while the rebels are repeatedly telling them they know exactly where he is)

[TeddytheSpoon]

1 hour ago, Mandalorianknight said:

He is fun, but doesn't fit the tone of the show much- I couldn't see K quipping his way through the Ghorman Massacre or Bix leaving or Brasso's death. And ironically, he isn't in the two funniest moments in the show (Melshi walking directly into the ISB beams and then just staring at them or Saw's whole "you don't know me, I'm in the wind, I'm a shadow in the night" speech while the rebels are repeatedly telling them they know exactly where he is)

Honestly, I'm not too bummed about getting less K2 than might have been expected. Obviously Rogue One is meant to be watched straight after Andor, but when I did that yesterday I found the difference in tone to be noticeable to the point of jarring. RO is a lot more pulpy, and there are a lot more funny one-liners, mostly from K2-SO. So yeah, I agree it would've felt out of touch for much of Andor. (although to clarify RO and Andor are still a comfortable 1-2 in my list of favourite Star Warses.)

Another thing Andor has made me think about - and with discussions had elsewhere online - is how people experience Star Wars. I've always elected to see it as a mythology: historical in nature, but with enough vagaries for the fantastical elements. (it's a very useful tool to explain inconsistencies and retcons - it's just 'oh there are conflicting sources on this one, believe whatever one you want'). Specifically, Andor reminded me of the adage that history is written by the victors. Since in the OT, that was the Rebel Alliance, the stories we get are heroic ones about Luke, Han etc; the dodgier aspects like Cassian, Luthen, Saw etc get swept under the rug, or forgotten/erased altogether. IMO it's fun to think about it as historical sources in this way, biases and flaws and all.

Edited May 15 by TeddytheSpoon

[Darth_Bane13]

For me, Andor is the best live action Star Wars since 2005.

[ArrowBricks]

Andor was sensational. Genuinely felt connected to most of the characters. 
 

I think the 3 episode per week releases worked exceptionally well. If one episode was more slower, the next one made sure the payoff worked. 
 

Disney needs to implement it more often in shows, even if the story does not make sense for it to be 3 at once - in order words any 3 episodes that happen to be chronological rather than 1 per week.

[Mandalorianknight]

1 hour ago, TeddytheSpoon said:

Honestly, I'm not too bummed about getting less K2 than might have been expected. Obviously Rogue One is meant to be watched straight after Andor, but when I did that yesterday I found the difference in tone to be noticeable to the point of jarring. RO is a lot more pulpy, and there are a lot more funny one-liners, mostly from K2-SO. So yeah, I agree it would've felt out of touch for much of Andor. (although to clarify RO and Andor are still a comfortable 1-2 in my list of favourite Star Warses.)

Another thing Andor has made me think about - and with discussions had elsewhere online - is how people experience Star Wars. I've always elected to see it as a mythology: historical in nature, but with enough vagaries for the fantastical elements. (it's a very useful tool to explain inconsistencies and retcons - it's just 'oh there are conflicting sources on this one, believe whatever one you want'). Specifically, Andor reminded me of the adage that history is written by the victors. Since in the OT, that was the Rebel Alliance, the stories we get are heroic ones about Luke, Han etc; the dodgier aspects like Cassian, Luthen, Saw etc get swept under the rug, or forgotten/erased altogether. IMO it's fun to think about it as historical sources in this way, biases and flaws and all.

Yeah, exactly. Including him towards the end works to bridge the tonal gap to RO, but like I said, awakened K2 in the Ghorman Massacre or watching Brasso die would be jarring. 

I don't hate the concept, but I never like the idea that the original trilogy is some sort of propaganda or manipulating the truth in some way because, like, it's the star wars. I'm fine with stuff like Andor adding context, but I don't like the idea that it's the "truth" any more than the rest. That actually bugged me about the show- in the Mon Mothma escape episode, we know from behind the scenes that Gilroy was pretty dismissive of Rebels and frustrated that he couldn't fully overwrite it, and it clearly leaked into the actual writing with some of the yavin characters saying that Andor can't keep helping Mon and Gold Squadron has to step in because "that has to be the story". It makes it seem like Gold Squadron was just some PR heroic thing rather than the important operation- and sacrifice of more people and material than Andor's part of the escape- that it really was.

[TeddytheSpoon]

1 hour ago, Mandalorianknight said:

I don't hate the concept, but I never like the idea that the original trilogy is some sort of propaganda or manipulating the truth in some way because, like, it's the star wars. I'm fine with stuff like Andor adding context, but I don't like the idea that it's the "truth" any more than the rest. That actually bugged me about the show- in the Mon Mothma escape episode, we know from behind the scenes that Gilroy was pretty dismissive of Rebels and frustrated that he couldn't fully overwrite it, and it clearly leaked into the actual writing with some of the yavin characters saying that Andor can't keep helping Mon and Gold Squadron has to step in because "that has to be the story". It makes it seem like Gold Squadron was just some PR heroic thing rather than the important operation- and sacrifice of more people and material than Andor's part of the escape- that it really was.

That's fair. That's where the mythology comes in for me - it's all just versions of the same story that's been passed down to us, so there's gonna be variations depending on who tells it, regardless of what the 'true' version of events is. Like a galaxy-wide game of telephone. I see your POV, though.

Admittedly I haven't seen Rebels since it came out but the Gold Squadron thing didn't bother me. The Rebel alliance at this point seems very cliquey and distrusting, which also feeds into RO a bit, with everyone still arguing about things right up until the last second. So to me it didn't seem too out of place for them to go 'yea we're the cool kids, we'll take it from here'. But I might change my tune on that when I finally do a Rebels rewatch.

And tbf, I assume plan A would've been for her to go with Gold Squadron from the start, assuming that's who Bail was in contact with.

[Tariq j]

I thought Andor was great. I do wish Season 2 was longer though, it felt like at times they obviously had to cut a lot of stuff since the show was initially meant to be 5 seasons long. 

[lowlead]

Glad to see this thread.

Farewell to the best thing that happened to Star Wars since LEGO - so long Andor series, we hardly knew ye.

For my part I'm in the camp that's sorely disappointed with most of the Disney Star Wars output - but have retained just enough faith and interest to give Andor plenty of attention.  It's not a series you should watch if tired, as the [brilliant] dialogue is so crucial to understanding all the story arcs.  Despite some pacing issues here and there, I stayed with it from the very beginning and I have been rewarded with a production that was expertly crafted with care, precision and a high degree of competence.  How refreshing.  Across the fanbase, Star Wars is clearly regarded a bit differently depending on perspectives, tastes, etc...right?  I keep Star Wars the way I wish, and I'll add this series to my own 'head canon' and just discard the rest of it.

In the interest of brevity, some random thoughts:
• I was entertained by Krennic's character a lot more after his Andor appearances
• Can't get enough of K2SO
• I like that the writing team tried some very new approaches - and succeeded.  The domestic scenes with Syril, Eedy and Dedra come to mind
• I so very much appreciate that Luthen and Kleya got a backstory.  From the beginning I was intrigued by Kleya's surgical, calculating strategy.  Such a great payoff that we got to see where that came from!
• Who would have thought Genevieve O'Reilly's Mon Mothma would prove such a powerhouse character?  She steals every scene.
• ...and so does Partagaz - damn!  The CAST!!!
• Luthen and Dedra's face off in the gallery was intense and gripping, and Kleya's dutiful action thereafter was heartbreaking - scenes like this were moving...in a Star Wars show!

Anyway, I could go on for pages.  For this series alone, Disney+ is allowed a few more months of my sub (until the BluRay drops, that is)

$ .02

[Mandalorianknight]

On 5/15/2025 at 4:08 PM, TeddytheSpoon said:

That's fair. That's where the mythology comes in for me - it's all just versions of the same story that's been passed down to us, so there's gonna be variations depending on who tells it, regardless of what the 'true' version of events is. Like a galaxy-wide game of telephone. I see your POV, though.

Admittedly I haven't seen Rebels since it came out but the Gold Squadron thing didn't bother me. The Rebel alliance at this point seems very cliquey and distrusting, which also feeds into RO a bit, with everyone still arguing about things right up until the last second. So to me it didn't seem too out of place for them to go 'yea we're the cool kids, we'll take it from here'. But I might change my tune on that when I finally do a Rebels rewatch.

And tbf, I assume plan A would've been for her to go with Gold Squadron from the start, assuming that's who Bail was in contact with.

There are ways where I like it- such as TCW Dooku's appearance being stated to be how republic propaganda portrays him in live-action in the propaganda book- but I mainly prefer it just to explain stylistic choices like that. I don't like the idea that the events we're seeing on screen aren't real to that universe.

I don't necessarily have an issue with there having been some sort of inter-cell squabble beforehand, but I dislike how the show was portraying and talking about gold squadron like Luthen's group took all the real risk and gold squadron was just a PR stunt "for the story". If they'd followed it up with one of the people saying that hearing that half of gold squadron died protecting Mon from a new type of TIE fighter, I wouldn't mind it, but as-is anyone who just watches andor is coming off with the impression that the rebellion we see in ANH are just gloryhounds whereas the Andor crew was taking all the risks. It felt like Gilroy was mad he had to work around a cartoon- which we know is true, given what he's said about Rebels's version of Mothma's speech- and letting it bleed into the show too much.

On 5/15/2025 at 4:21 PM, Tariq j said:

I thought Andor was great. I do wish Season 2 was longer though, it felt like at times they obviously had to cut a lot of stuff since the show was initially meant to be 5 seasons long. 

I do at times wish we could have had a full show, but I also think that things would have taken too long to pay off for a lot of people. I'm not sure I could sit through two full seasons of Ghorman before the massacre.

23 hours ago, lowlead said:

 I so very much appreciate that Luthen and Kleya got a backstory.  From the beginning I was intrigued by Kleya's surgical, calculating strategy.  Such a great payoff that we got to see where that came from!
 ...and so does Partagaz - damn!  The CAST!!!

I didn't have your foresight on Kleya- I thought she was a bit of a nothing character in S1, and while I realized they were giving the actress a bit more to do in season 2 I wasn't expecting her to come out swinging as the MVP of that final arc.

Same on Partagaz- I liked him but had no idea his final scene in the show was coming- what he's able to convey with just his movements and a few words is incredible.

[CloneCommando99]

Just finished it. I’m lost for words. I don’t think I’ve ever come across a live action TV show, let alone a SW one, that’s played with my emotions as much as Andor has. The endings of the last two arcs had me shedding a tear.

Stellar performances all round. I hope Lucasfilm learns what a well thought out project can do.

I agree with @THELEGOBATMAN. I can confidently say that Andor has usurped Brooklyn 99 as my favourite TV show ever.

Cassian and Mon Mothma are now definitely in my top 10 SW characters. With the rest of the Andor cast being joint 11th.
 

What did Cassian sacrifice for the rebellion? Calm, kindness, kinship… love. By the time of Rogue One he’s given up all chance of inner peace. He’s made his mind a sunless space. He shares his dreams with ghosts (Maarva, Brasso, Kino, Luthen, Nemik, the Ghor.) He’s condemned to use the tools of his enemy (literally K2S0 and the uniforms he steals). So what did he sacrifice? Everything!
 

The writing and parallels are constantly on point..

 

We need more Lego sets for Andor. 100%. I have a few ideas.

 

I honestly don’t think words cannot fully describe how much I love this show. I was afraid that I was losing interest in the franchise after Acolyte. I couldn’t even bring myself to finish SC. But Andor S2 has restored my faith in the franchise’s future.

 

Bravo Gilry and Co. Just bravo.

 

[lowlead]

14 hours ago, CloneCommando99 said:

Bravo [Gilroy] and Co. Just bravo.

Indeed!

So, I'll say it....
Remake 4, 5 & 6??  *dodges rotten vegetables*

Now that we've seen what Lucasfilm is capable of when putting talented people in place...or leave it alone?  I'm torn now!  It could be so good if done properly....

• Get Anthony Daniels and Frank Oz as acting coaches for their protégés
• Make the Ewoks of 6 more formidable - like Wookies -  and have a plausible battle on Endor, making ROTJ a better film
• Modern lightsaber duels
• A seamless CG Yoda
• Streamline the dialogue here and there

What else?

Whaddaya got to lose, Disney?  You pretty much ruined everything else.  Take your shot for the Ultimate Redemption Arc.

Edited May 17 by lowlead
phrasing

[Max_Lego]

1 hour ago, lowlead said:

Indeed!

So, I'll say it....
Remake 4, 5 & 6??  *dodges rotten vegetables*

Now that we've seen what Lucasfilm is capable of when putting talented people in place...or leave it alone?  I'm torn now!  It could be so good if done properly....

• Get Anthony Daniels and Frank Oz as acting coaches for their protégés
• Make the Ewoks of 6 more formidable - like Wookies -  and have a plausible battle on Endor, making ROTJ a better film
• Modern lightsaber duels
• A seamless CG Yoda
• Streamline the dialogue here and there

What else?

Whaddaya got to lose, Disney?  You pretty much ruined everything else.  Take your shot for the Ultimate Redemption Arc.

I unironically love this idea. Finally separating the masterpieces from trash by replacing the OT with crappy Sequel-esque remakes is something I can only welcome. At least, everyone shall see that there is no place for good movies in Disney's deranged, self-contradictory 'Canon'. 

'Modern lightsaber duels' is my favourite part. Replace Vader and Ben's lore-accurate duel with something like this stupid video on YouTube, with Force-lifting and unnecessary powerful chopping blows, only because so-called "SW fans" hate watching lore-accurate lightsaber duels ("they aren't spectacular enough!")? Or, even better, make it look like Rey and Kylo's so-called "fight" in TROS! 

Overall, I believe such remakes would fit perfectly in Disney's so-called "lore", created by people who don't understand (and, most importantly, don't want to) how the Star Wars universe works 

After all, who needs those old, quality movies anymore? R1 fans? Prequel fans who mock the OT for 'crappy practical visuals' and contradicting their beloved meme-factories ("Leia remembers her mother? - Dumb!",  "Darth Vader isn't a whiny psychopathic kid butcher? - Dumb!")? 

The Star Wars OT is indeed, a masterpiece from an time period when talented people could produce thought-out quality content. There's no place for such 'oldschool garbage" in the soyjack 21st century. 

Mod is welcome to ban me as always 

[BrickBob Studpants]

2 hours ago, lowlead said:

So, I'll say it....
Remake 4, 5 & 6??  *dodges rotten vegetables*

The force has to be strong in you for you to dodge what’s headed your way. *loading a bunch of trebuchets*

11 minutes ago, Max_Lego said:

There's no place for such 'oldschool garbage" in the soyjack 21st century. 

You must be fun at parties.

[lowlead]

  LOL!

*returns to the table dripping with tomato juice, wilted lettuce*

@Max_Lego I unironically loved that reply.  But Max!  Imagine all the HYPE on social media!! ;o)  Ugh, I just threw up a little.

[Mandalorianknight]

5 hours ago, lowlead said:

Remake 4, 5 & 6??  *dodges rotten vegetables*

Get Anthony Daniels and Frank Oz as acting coaches for their protégés

The quantity of vegetables coming at you is going to be too large to dodge.

Though I do like the implication that either Mark Hamill/Harrison Ford/Billy Dee Williams/etc shouldn't coach their replacements, or would just be appearing in the films themselves as 20 yr old Luke/30 year old Han/Lando.

[Darth_Bane13]

9 hours ago, lowlead said:

Indeed!

So, I'll say it....
Remake 4, 5 & 6??  *dodges rotten vegetables*

Now that we've seen what Lucasfilm is capable of when putting talented people in place...or leave it alone?  I'm torn now!  It could be so good if done properly....

• Get Anthony Daniels and Frank Oz as acting coaches for their protégés
• Make the Ewoks of 6 more formidable - like Wookies -  and have a plausible battle on Endor, making ROTJ a better film
• Modern lightsaber duels
• A seamless CG Yoda
• Streamline the dialogue here and there

What else?

Whaddaya got to lose, Disney?  You pretty much ruined everything else.  Take your shot for the Ultimate Redemption Arc.

Bait used to be believable.

Anyway for those who liked Andor I recommend watching Michael Clayton which is also written and directed by Tony Gilroy, very underrated movie.

[TheScaryDoor]

Finished Andor yesterday. Overall fantastic series 😃.

I feel that episode 8 and 9 were already the final of the series and E10-12 more of a closure for the great characters and the road to Rogue One. Which feels now even more devastating with the last scene from Andor.

The series has a great build up of at the beginning more chaotic but necessary rebellion against a dark empire. With fantastic characters on both sides. I liked the more gray aspect that the good guys sometimes have to make ugly, not noble decision to archive the necessary goals. The slow-burn episodes were also important to give the story and characters more room.

I'm also fine with two compact, great seasons instead of more as planed. Might worked as well but maybe not and also not sure if Disney would be willing to approve the budget.

 

[BrickBob Studpants]

Personally, I’m really glad they went with 2 rather than 5 seasons. I can’t really imagine each arc of S2 being stretched into a full season, unless they added a ton of other missions and subplots. There are some things that felt a bit rushed or happened offscreen, but 5 seasons still would’ve been overkill in my opinion  Maybe 3 at the most, but it worked very well in the end.

[Kaijumeister]

11 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Personally, I’m really glad they went with 2 rather than 5 seasons. I can’t really imagine each arc of S2 being stretched into a full season, unless they added a ton of other missions and subplots. There are some things that felt a bit rushed or happened offscreen, but 5 seasons still would’ve been overkill in my opinion  Maybe 3 at the most, but it worked very well in the end.

3 seasons would have been the sweet spot IMO, sometimes so much has been happening in between the time jumps that pacing the story out more would have helped. All the same, I’m thoroughly happy with getting 2 seasons of this quality and the approach of S1 being an exploration of Cassian becoming a revolutionary and S2 tracking his growth as a Rebel worked perfectly.

[Darth_Bane13]

Hopefully we get Battlefront 3