Hogwarts Mafia: Day Four

[Millacol88]

If you such highly suspected him of being scum then why didn't you first vote out Jolie instead of bulltoad It seems you are now against her just because she made very good points against you.

Also I think that if she could vote then she would, why would she not vote out the person who she made a full argument against and whom she most suspects?

I do not suspect Jolie of being scum. I think she is a very stupid loyal.

[Eskallon]

The "crowd" you are voting with is someone who I highly suspect of being scum and someone saying a lot of stuff but neglecting to vote yet. Don't go with the "crowd"!

I do not suspect Jolie of being scum. I think she is a very stupid loyal.

So the top quote is about who?

[Millacol88]

So the top quote is about who?

ROCKY.

[Lord Arjay]

*Sigh*

Nene, you are our best bet. This is the only true evidence that has been built up. Do you see any better options? No, I think that you are our most likely a hallowed. You have not put enough forward for Rocky either.

Don't call me stupid either.

[CMP]

I am sorry but I can't convict Bulltoad yet. He did use something on you which I have revealed in private Madame Kingston. Even if he is hallowed there is a bigger threat.

On night two Madame Kingston sent me her foe glass. The foe glass tells me if anyone uses a night action on me if they have malicious intents. So yes I know who blocked me. I did not know who investigated me until they contacted me privately as the investigator did not have malicious intents. However I was told who tortured me; Nene Grandstaff.

I am convinced she is hallowed for the following reasons:

-She tortures. Does that sound like something an innocent would do?

-Shortly after she contacted me. She must have forgotten that the foe glass only shows me foes so she asked me to reveal the investigator. Wanting to get rid of him/her.

-She claimed that I was the first she tortured. Madame Kingston has told me that a blocker was tortured the first night. Therefore Nene is a lier.

-She has started the voting twice now:

-She trying to throw suspicion on people to me in private.

-She first contacted me, saying that Rocky was forming an alliance of innocents and is therefore hallowed. She then said she was trying to form an alliance of innocents.

-Yesterday, I noted that I now find someone relatively innocent. Thinking I was an investigator she tried to find out how I knew that.

-She stated to me in private that she would investigate Rocky, knowing I would have no way of telling. Unfortunetly she didn't think that I would find out she chose me instead.

-She first claimed to be the investigator, knowing I could not tell. I don't believe for one moment that she didn't know that she only found out night actions.

-She wants to torture Bulltoad tonight if he is not voted off. If Bulltoad is A)Innocent then Nene would simply say he is a killer or B)Hallowed Nene would say nothing unusual.

-She TORTURES!! She is a LIER!!

-I let slip to Bulltoad that Nene was an investigator yesterday, yet she did not die. This means either A)Bulltoad is innocent or B)They're both hallowed.

I know that some of you don't trust me and I admit I haven't exactly been a model innocent. This time though I am sure. Many of you also suspect Nene as well. I am convinced that she is hallowed now and would prefer to vote out her. This has put a target on my back but please look over my points and if you don't want to vote for her, then argue them. This is our best option today I think.

I was not going to reveal this but I'm not sure you'd agree otherwise.

Hah, you are a lier! You have tried to manipulate me! He was trying to save me from giving my arguement!

Why would you lie to me in private? Or do you not remember that you also were trying to make a little group of townies?

I admit that I was not going to act against you but when I found out that you lied to me, well that's the last straw.

You are hallowed and a lier!

Whoa.

THAT'S a convincing argument. Enough said.

Vote:Nene Grandstaff/Millacol88

[Eskallon]

ROCKY.

Am I missing something because Rocky is not part of the crowd and has not voted yet.

[Lord Arjay]

Am I missing something because Rocky is not part of the crowd and has not voted yet.

Actually he was the first. He wanted to try and help me keep my action secret. An effort that was wasted thanks to Nene and her deliberate loose tongue.

Therefore, I vote:Nene Grandstaff/Millacol88

[Inconspicuous]

...and I do not believe Bulltoad was framed...

But the fact that she has not even considered any possibilite where Mr. Bullstrode might have been framed, or anyhting is enought to make me think she is Hallowed...

Your argument is a joke, and you have been trying to manipulate me.

Looking at these three quotes makes it clearer to me who is being more reasonable. I mean honestly Rocky, you're spewing some blatant lies here. I had already been a tad suspicious of you from yesterday, but now you're raising a red flag in my mind. You're either an innocent backing up a hunch with lies or a Hallowed creating chaos sloppily.

...but please look over my points and if you don't want to vote for her, then argue them...

And I will. I'm not sure which one of you two is right yet, but let me point out what I find odd, suspicious, or illogical.

-She tortures. Does that sound like something an innocent would do?

I don't think that's the best of logic. In stressful times, everyone uses desperate measures. I recall that Auror Potter actually attempted to torture the infamous Bellatrix Lestrange at one point. Given, it wasn't the exact same circumstances, but I still think we shouldn't rule her off because of that.

-Shortly after she contacted me. She must have forgotten that the foe glass only shows me foes so she asked me to reveal the investigator. Wanting to get rid of him/her.

I'm a bit confused by this. When you say she had forgotten, are you implying that she already knew about it? What am I missing here?

-She TORTURES!! She is a LIER!!

I'm sorry, what? How do these two statements relate? When has she ever lied about being a torturer? Evidence please.

-I let slip to Bulltoad that Nene was an investigator yesterday, yet she did not die. This means either A)Bulltoad is innocent or B)They're both hallowed.

Tell me why they can't both innocent.

Hah, you are a lier! You have tried to manipulate me! ...You are hallowed and a lier!

Can you spell 'liar' correctly for once?

I know that I've made it sound like I'm confident Nene is innocent, but I'm really not. Jolie's arguments are flawed in their logic, but I have no reason to believe they're lies. If you can address my points properly, I may be convinced. Nene's apparent pursuit for knowledge of another investigator sounds suspicious, but I want a better explanation.

Thanks.

[Lord Arjay]

I don't think that's the best of logic. In stressful times, everyone uses desperate measures. I recall that Auror Potter actually attempted to torture the infamous Bellatrix Lestrange at one point. Given, it wasn't the exact same circumstances, but I still think we shouldn't rule her off because of that.

No we should not. Yet I don't know how someone could feel that torturing is innocent.

I'm a bit confused by this. When you say she had forgotten, are you implying that she already knew about it? What am I missing here?

You don't seem to understand. She knew about the foe glass. It is her ability to find out night actions. The thing about the foe glass is that it only shows those who have malicious intents. She must have forgotten that it would not show me the identity of the investigator. This also tells me that she had bad intents. The investigator stayed hidden to me because they are innocent. Nene was not hidden though.

I'm sorry, what? How do these two statements relate? When has she ever lied about being a torturer? Evidence please.

Did you listen? She told me that I was the first to be tortured by her. Madame Kingstin told me that a blocker was tortured during night one. That is why she lied.

Tell me why they can't both innocent.

What? This is an arguement against her. Did you not read the rest? All I was meaning to say there was that we should not vote of Bulltoad yet.

Can you spell 'liar' correctly for once?

Whoops. I hardly think that's an arguement against voting her off though.

I know that I've made it sound like I'm confident Nene is innocent, but I'm really not. Jolie's arguments are flawed in their logic, but I have no reason to believe they're lies. If you can address my points properly, I may be convinced. Nene's apparent pursuit for knowledge of another investigator sounds suspicious, but I want a better explanation.

Actually, you haven't argued against a lot of my points. Most of your arguements back are just you misunderstanding as well.

[Matn]

Good nothing happened tonight! I'm still wondered how a squib can be resistant to magic. I think someone protecting her on the right time, but I'm going to take miss Kingston's word for it.

I have a big feeling Jolie is trying too hard to convince us all to vote off Nene... Yesterday the same happened, too much investigation which goes too far sometimes. All I see is that she's repeating the same 'points' for convicting Nene. The ability to torture people could be used to protect others, or perhaps to reveal some things about the tortured person. I don't know. But I can say I'm not yet convinced to vote off Nene. You'll have to come with better (which does not mean far-fetched) arguments against her.

[Professor Flitwick]

Good nothing happened tonight! I'm still wondered how a squib can be resistant to magic. I think someone protecting her on the right time, but I'm going to take miss Kingston's word for it.

I have a big feeling Jolie is trying too hard to convince us all to vote off Nene... Yesterday the same happened, too much investigation which goes too far sometimes. All I see is that she's repeating the same 'points' for convicting Nene. The ability to torture people could be used to protect others, or perhaps to reveal some things about the tortured person. I don't know. But I can say I'm not yet convinced to vote off Nene. You'll have to come with better (which does not mean far-fetched) arguments against her.

I agree. Whilst I don't believe Miss Grandstaff is innocent, she could be using her torturing ability to gain information. Intense investigation?

[Inconspicuous]

Thanks you so much for clarifying a lot of that! You're right about them being misunderstandings.

Did you listen? She told me that I was the first to be tortured by her. Madame Kingstin told me that a blocker was tortured during night one. That is why she lied.

What I was wondering was how those two statements were related. You claim she lied about who she tortured but imply that she lied about being a torturer. I thought you might be manipulating lies against her. Now, I'm not sure whether what you say is true or not, but I at least know what you're trying to say.

But I think Shiela and Professor Longbottom are correct here. You're a little intense with your arguments, many of which I don't agree with, as I've brought up. Thus, I will refrain from voting for Nene for the time being.

[Escape The Fate]

Yesterday I mentioned these people who I thought were most suspicious to me:

Sicilia Bathory, Head of Ravenclaw House (Eskallon) R

Xander Lovegood, (CallMePie) G

Nene Grandstaff (Millacol88) H

Rocky Broomwell, (sok117) G

Jolie Jadis, (Lord Arjay) S

I find it interesting that most of the people on this list are voting for Nene. Which makes me lean towards thinking that she is innocent. Having said that I was also tortured by her on the second night.

I will also add that last night I was forced to do something against my will, but that memory is blocked and I can't remember what it is.

[Lord Arjay]

Oh I see why you’re confused. Sorry, those statements were not connected. I was just repeating that she lied to me. If she was innocent then why would she do that? I have stated my reasoning and I really don't know how I can further prove to you that she is hallowed. Maybe I am too intense; I know that I'm being truthful. She has more against her than anyone else yet people don't want to vote her out. Why? A couple of you have only said that I'm arguing too much without giving any reasons for not voting her off. I am certain she is guilty. Professor Longbottom, you don't think she is innocent but you do not vote for her? I have given sufficient evidence. Nothing that I have said is "far-fetched" or if it is, state your reasons.

Finally, people seem to not be listening. So I'll say it out loud:

Nene can torture people into revealing their actions. She has already said what she found out about me.

I have also been found innocent by an investigator. If I was guilty then it would have been brought up.

Lies. I attempted to investigate on the first two nights but failed both times.

Having said that I was also tortured by her on the second night.

Isn't this contradictory? One of you is lying here and I think Rhubarb is innocent. This should convince you now at least. Those who still think she is being truthful are blind.

[Professor Flitwick]

Professor Longbottom, you don't think she is innocent but you do not vote for her?

Sorry, should have checked that statement before I said it. I meant to say I don't fully believe she is innocent, meaning I don't really suspect her.

I have also been found innocent by an investigator. If I was guilty then it would have been brought up.

Maybe because the investigator thought they would be killed if they were to reveal themselves?

[Eskallon]

Sorry, should have checked that statement before I said it. I meant to say I don't fully believe she is innocent, meaning I don't really suspect her.

Maybe because the investigator thought they would be killed if they were to reveal themselves?

I have just spoken to the investigator and confirmed that jolie is innocent. Oh and yes they do not want to reveal themselves publically.

[Professor Flitwick]

I have just spoken to the investigator and confirmed that jolie is innocent. Oh and yes they do not want to reveal themselves publically.

Tell us, or if you've got a good excuse, privately tell me who this investigator is. Or better yet, have them investigate me tonight! I could come into this little private gang we've heard so much about.

[Matn]

Oh, let's bring up an investigator. Again. I already heard that story. How can we all trust you? So, it seems there has been created a little gang of so called 'innocents'. For all I know, grouping together and declaring yourselves innocent, with an investigator in the gang, could just be a set-up by the Death's Hallowed. Shouting out you're innocent, that you have been investigated and that you know for sure someone is Death's Hallowed makes you get a lot of attention, and in my eyes it's not in the good way.

I still don't see any really good reasons to vote Nene off. I wouldn't be much surprised when Nene is send to New Azkaban and she's revealed to be an innocent.

[Eskallon]

Oh, let's bring up an investigator. Again. I already heard that story. How can we all trust you? So, it seems there has been created a little gang of so called 'innocents'. For all I know, grouping together and declaring yourselves innocent, with an investigator in the gang, could just be a set-up by the Death's Hallowed. Shouting out you're innocent, that you have been investigated and that you know for sure someone is Death's Hallowed makes you get a lot of attention, and in my eyes it's not in the good way.

I still don't see any really good reasons to vote Nene off. I wouldn't be much surprised when Nene is send to New Azkaban and she's revealed to be an innocent.

Well then thinking, vote off Nene. If she is hallowed then we all know that we can definatly trust Jolie and if not then we know who to blame. Also if she is not then we may have lost an innocent but it will help us to decide who is hallowed and will give us something which we can easily base ourselves on and something we can easily use to vote someone out straight away.

[Lord Arjay]

I still don't see any really good reasons to vote Nene off. I wouldn't be much surprised when Nene is send to New Azkaban and she's revealed to be an innocent.

You are either hallowed or choose to be ignorant. Let's think that someone who tortures is innocent then and look at everything else:

-Nene Grandstaff has lied publicly. When I brought it up she denied it, however Madame Kingston and Rhubarb Uxley say otherwise. I doubt both are hallowed so Nene is clearly lying. There is no escaping that fact.

-Nene Grandstaff tried to get me to reveal the identity of the investigator.

-Nene Grandstaff tortured me with bad intentions. The foe glass shows me those who wish me harm, not innocents. Therefore she must be hallowed.

There is no debate about any of the above. It is fact. If you are so sure that she is innocent then explain that.

[Professor Flitwick]

-Nene Grandstaff tried to get me to reveal the identity of the investigator.

I've tried to find out who it is to, are you going to come after me, too? You, and several others, keep using the investigator as your hidden alibi. I can hardly blame her for trying to find out your loyalties!

[Lord Arjay]

I've tried to find out who it is to, are you going to come after me, too? You, and several others, keep using the investigator as your hidden alibi. I can hardly blame her for trying to find out your loyalties!

What?! How is her finding out the identity of the investigator got anything to do with my loyalties?

If the investigator revealed themselves publicaly then wouldn't they be attacked the next night? How is that helpful?

You were fine with voting out Angela before yet suddenly your against voting out someone who has more against them.

[Matn]

Well then thinking, vote off Nene. If she is hallowed then we all know that we can definatly trust Jolie and if not then we know who to blame. Also if she is not then we may have lost an innocent but it will help us to decide who is hallowed and will give us something which we can easily base ourselves on and something we can easily use to vote someone out straight away.

You're right there. If she's indeed an innocent, we know who to point our fingers at.

You are either hallowed or choose to be ignorant.

-snip-

If you are so sure that she is innocent then explain that.

So now you are, again, starting to randomly accuse people of being Death's Hallowed. I'm not ignorant, I just don't agree with the way you look and observe things, and how you translate them to arguments.

The thing is, I'm not even sure she's innocent. The lying is the only thing I see as a decent argument, as it can be assumed miss Kingston is innocent now.

[sok117]

You suspect me because you think I have a night action. I'm willing to bet the majority of peop,e have one. Tell em you don't! And you think because I've been active in the voting I'm Hallowed? Maybe we can sit around and twiddle our thumbs when it comes time to vote, and then you wouldn't be suspicious of me anymore. Your argument is a joke, and you have been trying to manipulate me. You talk to me in private because you are trying to gather up a group of supposed loyal townies then you come up with this crap? Whats your goal? To spread confusion and misinformation?

When I spoke to you in that message, I was trying to find out wether I could trust you, you turned me down saying that it was to early in the game to start forming an alliance, and I respected that. I have come up with this supposed "crap" as you so crudely put, because I have disscused with someone who had reasoning against you, however, the person with the hard evidence against you did not want to come out and vote first, because then suspiccions would be raised and they might have started to be voted for. So, I, with nothing to lose, became the fall guy of this operation. I would be the first to vote for you and as I suspected, be voted against for putting out a new suspect. But at least now, people can look at the evidence against you and make their own choice as to wether or not you are innocent.

1.Lies. I attempted to investigate on the first two nights but failed both times.

2.Stretching the truth again. I said we should watch out for Rocky because if he is scum, and has a team of townies doing his bidding, they would be very successful in the voting, a sentiment which you quickly echoed.

3.I honestly did not know. Traditionally, that's what an investigator figures out.

4.This makes no sense. If I'm hallowed like you think, why would I investigate a fellow hallowed? I'll have some of whatever you're smoking.

5.Your argument is mainly based on the nature of my action rather than on things that I said or did, and a lot of your assumptions are just wrong.

6.Trying to form together a group of loyals is not a bad thing. The difference between what I did and what Rocky did is that I didn't turn around and vote for the very person I was trying to recruit! Look at it this way:

7.Case A: Rocky is town and is trying to form together a group of fellow townies, myself included. W\This makes no sense, why would he vote for me directly after?

8.Case B: Rocky is scum trying to get some townies to vote with him which would make it much harder for the loyals to find out who the scum are. I think this is what happened. Why? Befcause after talking to Rocky, Jolie suddenly became suspicious of me. After inviting me into his little group, Rocky votes against me.

9.Because of this, I will unvote: Bulltoad/Ronconator, and vote: Rocky/Sok117

I'm gonna go on a bit of a rant here, so I will number each of the statments within this quote and do the same with my points.

1. You tried to investigate? this is not something that an Innocent would come out and say. Revealing this is sure to make you a target in the night if you are innocent. Unless you have nothing to fear during the night? As you and your friends may be the ones doing the killing?

2. If I had a "team" of townies doing my bidding, don't you think someone would have looked into me by now? By all means Investigate me if you wish, I have nothing to Hide.

3. This is contradictory with the first statment, you are investigating, but now you cannot investigate things that you think are important and should be investigated?

4. Perhaps Jolis has not read as many books (of life) as you have, and is unaware that the Hallowed no of each other. And I would prefer if you didn't use such vulgar statments against your fellow innocents, unless your trying to cause distrust and fights among us?

5. Well isn't that an easy way to deny any assumptions against you? there just wrong? Well I'm sure your innocent because you so clearly put that any assumptions against you were "wrong"

6. So If I was trying to recruit you, then found out you were hallowed, I shouldn't vote against you , You'd rather I help the Hallowed win?

7. Because I uncovered Evidence that suggests that you are not who you appear to be, perhaps?

8. I messaged you to find out if you were innocent before I allied with Jolie, and after that we came together and disccussed who we thought were Hallowed, and of course, we both had evidence against you, and now here we are, There was at ime when I thought you could be trusted, but then the evidence piled up and I knew that you couldn't be what you say you are.

9. I knew this would happen when I decided to vote for you, but perhaps when people see the evidence, they will see the truth of the matter.

Didn't Jolie steal it? That's one of her actions.

For an innocent, you don't seem to be bothered at throwing out peoples night actions, anything to save your own skin, sounds like a halloweds excuse if I ever heard one.

Honestly, the way the host worded it, I sincerely believed my action was to find out the alleciances of other people, not their actions.

All direct quotes, no paraphrasing. How did he convince you to suddenly change your tune? From thinking he is hallowed to completely truting him didn't take you long. And why haven't you voted for me yet? Do you still have some doubts? You should.

1. What? After having this action for three nights, you still don't know what it does? That point is very confuseing. Wouldn't you have found out when you did whatever it is you do to someone a clear awnser as to what you were to find?

2. Maybe it's because I confided everything I have into Jolie, a grave risk had she turned out to be Hallowed, but I knew the innocents needed to start takeing action against the Hallowed, and after we booth pooled are evidence, we realized you to be the most suspicious.

I do not suspect Jolie of being scum. I think she is a very stupid loyal.

That isn't the best way to talk to people who are supposed to be on your side, even if you are innocent, which I doubt, it is no reason to stoop as low as to throw around such rude terms.

I know many people have their reasons for not voteing, but I think That Nene is truly decieving us. Jolie and I have presented evidence, and I shall leave it up to you to decide her fate. We don't have many leads to go on besides this, so I advise you all to take action on these affairs.

[Inconspicuous]

-Nene Grandstaff has lied publicly...

-Nene Grandstaff tortured me with bad intentions....

These two things really jumped out at me; much more solid evidence. I'm not so sure about the investigator part, but the rest makes sense, and I trust Madame Kingston and Professor Uxley.

I previously said that if you can explain yourself and it's logical, you would convince me, and I think you have. Thus I will vote: Nene Grandstaff / Millacol88. I was a little unsure of this at first, so you better be right about this, Jolie. If not, voting will be easy for me tomorrow.