Mr Man Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 I don't know why they went a step backwards in designing it, the old one was so much better. (not perfect but better) Quote
brickbuilder Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 I don't know why they went a step backwards in designing it, the old one was so much better. (not perfect but better) Well the old one was a lot bigger, and I don't think they could fit that much in a set with the $3.49 price point. Quote
Flare Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 Well the old one was a lot bigger, and I don't think they could fit that much in a set with the $3.49 price point. Who cares, if they can't build it good enough then don't build it at all! I bet I could build it better than them Quote
BrickArtist Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 (edited) Who cares, if they can't build it good enough then don't build it at all! I bet I could build it better than them Something that I feel like a lot of people forget, never blame the designers. Those poor designers build with low part limits(Whch is very, VERY, hard), high stability standards, and a ton of playability features in all the sets. Believe me, If the designers decided what the sets were going to be, and built them without a part limit, they would just be amazing. These sets are minis, they aren't going to be any-where close to spot on.Just something to keep in mind, before we diss designers. Edited January 8, 2011 by brickartist Quote
Masked Builder Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 Something that I feel like a lot of people forget, never blame the designers. Those poor designers build with low part limits(Whch is very, VERY, hard), high stability standards, and a ton of playability features in all the sets. Believe me, If the designers decided what the sets were going to be, and built them without a part limit, they would just be amazing. These sets are minis, they aren't going to be any-where close to spot on.Just something to keep in mind, before we diss designers. Very true. But still some of the designs are quite lacking. Quote
Brickdoctor Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 Something that I feel like a lot of people forget, never blame the designers. Those poor designers build with low part limits(Whch is very, VERY, hard), high stability standards, and a ton of playability features in all the sets. Believe me, If the designers decided what the sets were going to be, and built them without a part limit, they would just be amazing. These sets are minis, they aren't going to be any-where close to spot on.Just something to keep in mind, before we diss designers. They also pretty much have to build what Lucas Licensing tells them to. Licensing goes to Animation and finds out what vehicles are important, and TLG takes that info and they have to make a set. They are given choices when it comes to iconic ships, but the rest are all Licensing's decision. Quote
BrickArtist Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 They also pretty much have to build what Lucas Licensing tells them to. Licensing goes to Animation and finds out what vehicles are important, and TLG takes that info and they have to make a set. They are given choices when it comes to iconic ships, but the rest are all Licensing's decision. Yeah, watch any video of a designer discussing a licensed exclusive(Diagon Alley) the designer say that the makers of the movie/show have to say they are pleased with the outcome. Which is why some sets are so outstanding... Quote
Fallenangel Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 Something that I feel like a lot of people forget, never blame the designers. Those poor designers build with low part limits(Whch is very, VERY, hard), high stability standards, and a ton of playability features in all the sets. Believe me, If the designers decided what the sets were going to be, and built them without a part limit, they would just be amazing. These sets are minis, they aren't going to be any-where close to spot on.Just something to keep in mind, before we diss designers. Indeed... I remember seeing some MOCs by professional designers on the Net once, and one had built a large B-wing fighter which was simply mind-blowing. Of course, that isn't to say some recent sets have been, in fact, disappointing... though I know now that it isn't a fault on the designer's part. They also pretty much have to build what Lucas Licensing tells them to. Licensing goes to Animation and finds out what vehicles are important, and TLG takes that info and they have to make a set. They are given choices when it comes to iconic ships, but the rest are all Licensing's decision. Learn something new every day, huh? I wonder who's in charge of rehashes... Quote
BrickArtist Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 Indeed... I remember seeing some MOCs by professional designers on the Net once, and one had built a large B-wing fighter which was simply mind-blowing. Of course, that isn't to say some recent sets have been, in fact, disappointing... though I know now that it isn't a fault on the designer's part. Which is pretty much my point, make sure you always blame the people setting limits, not the designers. They are, after all, working for TLG. Quote
Brickdoctor Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 Learn something new every day, huh? I wonder who's in charge of rehashes... For that, I think the majority of the blame is on TLG. As I've said, for classics/iconics, TLG has a lot of the choice, and most remakes are classic or iconic. (MF, TIE, X-wing, etc.) Before you start complaining about the current T-65 design (and I could do the same for the T-47), LEGO has to spend time and money in the form of paying their designers to redesign a vehicle from the ground up. In both cases, they and most of the targeted audience evidently are satisfied with the design, so there's not much reason other than us accuracy-complainers to use resources to redesign it. Besides, if all there sets were perfect, MOCing and creativity would decline a lot. It's like computers. I could go to a computer store and research and buy all the parts to try assemble a modern, stylish, yet powerful PC, or I could go down to the Apple store and pick up a Mac (like the one I'm writing this on) that has all those factors built in to it. Were TLG to create new parts and make all sets perfect, I think that two things would happen. The first is that LEGO would look like MegaBloks and Hasbro. The second is that other than those who want the distinction of having built the thing by themselves, nobody would create their own version of the set. Back to the computer analogy, the only people who build computers are either hired to do it for a company, want to do it because they want to do it themselves, or need exceptional power. Were LEGO to become like that, the only people who would build their own X-wings would be people who are hired to do it (product designers) and people who want to do it by themselves. (Dedicated FOLs like us) Then the kids who don't grow up fiddling with LEGO instead of building solely from kits wouldn't exist, and the next generation of Dedicated AFOLs would be non-existant. Anyways, rant aside, back on topic. I read on our blog that that TRU is carrying a Geonosian action figure, and that the staff (I suspect the poster was KimT) is wondering if that means the Geonosian LEGO figure will be the same color (dk. sand green) Personally, having never owned a Geonosian from '02-'03, I don't really care what color the new one is. I assume, though that those who have the old one will want it in the same general color, right? Quote
The Legonater Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 As I've said, for classics/iconics, TLG has a lot of the choice, and most remakes are classic or iconic. (MF, TIE, X-wing, etc.) Personally, i think we could use a new TIE- we haven't had one since 2005, and that was only our third or fourth. Besides, we need a grey one. Quote
shijima Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 I wouldent mind seeing another TIE as well, with the updated pilot from the TIE-D, theres no reason not to release a small TIE fighter set. Quote
Masked Builder Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 I read on our blog that that TRU is carrying a Geonosian action figure, and that the staff (I suspect the poster was KimT) is wondering if that means the Geonosian LEGO figure will be the same color (dk. sand green) Personally, having never owned a Geonosian from '02-'03, I don't really care what color the new one is. I assume, though that those who have the old one will want it in the same general color, right? That's what I would guess too. It's really hard to tell what color they really are in The Clone Wars. I mean just look at this picture: See? No idea what color they're supposed to be. Quote
playwithbricks Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 (edited) Time to start saving money, so I can buy all new sets :) Edited January 9, 2011 by playwithbricks Quote
Ceroknight Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 That's what I would guess too. It's really hard to tell what color they really are in The Clone Wars. I mean just look at this picture: See? No idea what color they're supposed to be. I'm hoping it'd be gray, and have the normal minifig body, not some skinny body mold. I've also heard there are these 'zombie Geonosians' don't know what they are but they could be green.. And playwithbricks? You could have just wrote what you said without replying to the first post Quote
Brickdoctor Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 That's what I would guess too. It's really hard to tell what color they really are in The Clone Wars. I mean just look at this picture: [snip] See? No idea what color they're supposed to be. Woah. They're like, the same color as the wall. Looking at this, I'm thinking dk. grey, but that color doesn't exist, or a dark olive green, which also doesn't exist. The problem is that dk. grey's bley replacement would look horrible as a Geonosian, so I think TLG would have to use a greenish color. Time to start saving money, so I can buy all new sets :) Welcome to EB! You might want to edit your post-that's a mighty big quote there. Quote
playwithbricks Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 And playwithbricks? You could have just wrote what you said without replying to the first post Sorry! I hope it´s better now Quote
Forresto Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 (edited) I'm hoping it'd be gray, and have the normal minifig body, not some skinny body mold. I've also heard there are these 'zombie Geonosians' don't know what they are but they could be green.. And playwithbricks? You could have just wrote what you said without replying to the first post The funny thing, is that pic is of zombie geonosians! Here's the present lego Geonosians: The new Clone Wars Geos: Edited January 9, 2011 by Forresto Quote
djmangunz Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 I was watching the second season of The Clone Wars on blu ray. In the Landing at Point Rain episode, you can see that the drone Geonosians( the dudes without wings) are green while the winged fellas are brown. Since the drones are the ones who fly the fighters, that would be my guess why we are getting a green Genosian in the Geonsian fighter set. Quote
Fallenangel Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 For that, I think the majority of the blame is on TLG. As I've said, for classics/iconics, TLG has a lot of the choice, and most remakes are classic or iconic. (MF, TIE, X-wing, etc.) Before you start complaining about the current T-65 design (and I could do the same for the T-47), LEGO has to spend time and money in the form of paying their designers to redesign a vehicle from the ground up. In both cases, they and most of the targeted audience evidently are satisfied with the design, so there's not much reason other than us accuracy-complainers to use resources to redesign it. Besides, if all there sets were perfect, MOCing and creativity would decline a lot. It's like computers. I could go to a computer store and research and buy all the parts to try assemble a modern, stylish, yet powerful PC, or I could go down to the Apple store and pick up a Mac (like the one I'm writing this on) that has all those factors built in to it. Were TLG to create new parts and make all sets perfect, I think that two things would happen. The first is that LEGO would look like MegaBloks and Hasbro. The second is that other than those who want the distinction of having built the thing by themselves, nobody would create their own version of the set. Back to the computer analogy, the only people who build computers are either hired to do it for a company, want to do it because they want to do it themselves, or need exceptional power. Were LEGO to become like that, the only people who would build their own X-wings would be people who are hired to do it (product designers) and people who want to do it by themselves. (Dedicated FOLs like us) Then the kids who don't grow up fiddling with LEGO instead of building solely from kits wouldn't exist, and the next generation of Dedicated AFOLs would be non-existant. *nod nod* So to paraphrase, LEGO sets can't be perfect, as inspiration would die and most consumers don't care if they aren't? Makes sense to me. Guess all those ravin' Amazon reviews have something to them after all. (AFOLs do buy a lot of LEGO, after all...) Still, that doesn't explain why LEGO doesn't rehash some of their less aesthetically pleasing sets... Those are Geonosians?! Quote
prateek Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 Those are Geonosians?! What do you mean by ? Maybe their eyes are similar to those of cats. They glow when you shine light at them in the dark. Quote
The Legonater Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 What do you mean by ? Maybe their eyes are similar to those of cats. They glow when you shine light at them in the dark. Actually, the white eyes are caused because they've been 'brain invaded'. Quote
Fallenangel Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 What do you mean by ? Maybe their eyes are similar to those of cats. They glow when you shine light at them in the dark. Their faces look oddly grotesque... and I didn't know they had mouths there. Quote
The Legonater Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 Their faces look oddly grotesque... and I didn't know they had mouths there. Again, the grosteque-ness is cause by the 'brain invaders.' And if you mean those slots about halfway up the head, that's their noses. Quote
prateek Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 Their faces look oddly grotesque... and I didn't know they had mouths there. Didn't you see them open their mouths in AotC? Quote
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