Heroica RPG General Discussion

[Khorne]

Indeed: !

I was wondering, how permanent is the "permanent mutation"? Like, as in the rest of the battle or the quest or ...? All I wanted was that Lizard Tail .

[Sandy]

I'm certain the party will have an opportunity to remedy those mutations at some point.

Right?

We'll just have to see about that.

[UsernameMDM]

Oh, alright, I'll change his spear to some sort of staff. And add a potion, of course.

Go broomstick. It's ranged so if needed you can attack from the back row with full WP.

[Duvors]

We'll just have to see about that.

You sadistic...

Yeah, right.

[Flipz]

Can I just reiterate how overused "immune to negative effects" is these days?

[Endgame]

It really is frustrating. The worst way to make a battle is to make a battle where players don't have options. One or two, maybe, all of them, no. And Poison should almost never be an immunity, unless it fits thematically.

Edited June 14, 2014 by Endgame

[-obelix-]

Can I just reiterate how overused "immune to negative effects" is these days?

Second that, there is too much of it going around in the quests I have checked out in the past several months...

[CMP]

Can I just reiterate how overused "immune to negative effects" is these days?

I kind of agree. I try and limit to mini/bosses or in special cases like the Shades. Otherwise enemies often have a handful of immunities suited to them, but not to the heroes.

[Kintobor]

I'll fourth the sentiment. I'll often add a few immunities to my own opponents, but Immune to Negative Effects is really frustrating as a witch who specializes in dishing out negative effects. What's the point if I can't do anything?

[-obelix-]

I'll fourth the sentiment. I'll often add a few immunities to my own opponents, but Immune to Negative Effects is really frustrating as a witch who specializes in dishing out negative effects. What's the point if I can't do anything?

Adding some immunities is perfectly fine for a tough enemy (tough - roleplaying-wise: final boss in the quest, or an important character for the story, for example), and even then not overdo it. To me, it makes sense for a blind enemy (troglodyte) to have "Immune to Blind" but not have it be "immune to negative effects" even if it is a king of troglodytes, because enemies are already getting pumped in health ridiculously, so adding immunities just limits the players that much more, which I feel, is bad.

Edited June 14, 2014 by -obelix-

[Daeth]

Wait, for immune to effects, can you just choose them right off the bat? Of course I would only choose those that fit my character, but when can you choose them?

[UsernameMDM]

Can I just reiterate how overused "immune to negative effects" is these days?

Agreed. I would be OK with a shortened duration like "Negative effects only last 3 rounds" or something like that, but not total immunity.

[swils]

No, you have to acquire an artifact that has the immunity already, or acquire a scroll of that particular effect and imbue it into an artifact in order to get the immunity (see: Marketplace thread)

[UsernameMDM]

Wait, for immune to effects, can you just choose them right off the bat? Of course I would only choose those that fit my character, but when can you choose them?

No. We are talking about enemies that are immune to negative effects caused by PCs. A PC's immunities come from their equipment that grants them.

[Flipz]

Wait, for immune to effects, can you just choose them right off the bat? Of course I would only choose those that fit my character, but when can you choose them?

We're talking about immunities on enemies, which are chosen by the QM as part of creating the battle. For Heroes (player characters), you have to find/earn/buy either a gem (for immunity to an element) or a Scroll (for immunity to an effect) and then have it imbued into an Artifact at the Marketplace for 50 gold apiece (so for example, someone with a Scroll of Confusion could imbue it into one of their Artifacts for 50 Gold, and from then on they'd be Immune to Confused as long as they wore that Artifact).

[Brickdoctor]

Yeah, I generally try to limit the immunities my enemies have. I don't think I've every used an enemy that was Immune to Negative Effects, actually. Going with the high-Power, low-Defense style of enemy generally makes the battle more enjoyable for everyone, and I try not to do anything that would nullify the creative advantages of a player's carefully set up stats and equipment.

[Flipz]

Endgame, was Minoid supposed to be speaking in Courier font this entire time? Because your font tags are really messed up if that's the case.

[Endgame]

He was not! Only machine in the quest that doesn't, for whatever reason, despite the fact The Giant has more organic speech...

You are correct about my fonts, however. How did quoting something cause the font to change?

[Flipz]

You have stacked font tags, which I cleaned because that's one of my things I'm OCD about. Here's what your last post of that battle looks like in plaintext:

[quote name='Endgame' timestamp='1402767852' post='1915804']
[u][u][u][u][u][u][u][u][u][b][i][u]Round Nine of the Primordial Pummel![/u][/i][/b][/u][/u][/u][/u][/u][/u][/u][/u][/u]
>Arthur retrives Zoot's Rebel (back)
>Claire (Tritech Handcannon) VS Trian (back): [s]Aim[/s] [s]Aim[/s] [s]Hit[/s] Critical Hit (15x2=30+21=51x4=204-6=198 damage, 144 gold Overkill)
>Grimwald (Knotted Broom) VS Pont (back): Miss
>Minoid VS Pont (back):[b] [/b]Critical Hit (6x2=12+20=32x2=64 damage)
>Arthur VS Pont (back): Critical Hit (20x2=40+31=71-6=65 damage)

>Pont VS Arthur (back): 5 HP healed

[i]Trian is fatally shot, Claire repeaing some gold from his corpse.[/i]

[b][u][i]Round Ten of the Primordial Pummel![/i][/u][/b]
>Erdathcath VS Pont (back): [s]Special Damage[/s] Critical Hit (15x2=30+21=51x2-102-6=96 damage, 9 gold earned)

[i]Like the other two devils before him, Pont is felled by a handcannon shot from Claire. the savage viking girl[/i][i] lets loose a shattering blast, the cannonball tearing through Pont's head. he collapses to the ground, black ooze slowly bubbling out of his neck.[/i]

[i]The party steps back to bear witness to the inky carnage. [b]Grimwald, struggling between his two personalties, grips onto his weapons, and clutches his scrolls. he had seen many horrors these past few hours, but now the gnome - or, perhaps, the ogre - felt ready for a new job class.[/b][/i]

[i][b][u]The Battle Was Victorious![/u][/b][/i][b][u] [i]All Heroes gain EXP.[/i][/u][/b]

[b][u]Party Leader, please distribute the loot:[/u][/b]

[img=http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/SamSandy/LEGO/Heroica/heroica-smellingsalts.jpg][b][img=http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/SamSandy/LEGO/Heroica/heroica-smellingsalts.jpg] Smelling Salts x2[/b]

[img=http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/SamSandy/LEGO/Heroica/heroica-heavyarmor.jpg][b] Heavy Armor[/b] (SP:5, protects from fragile-effect, suitable for barbarians, knights, dragoons, skirmishers and regulators.)

[img=http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/SamSandy/LEGO/Heroica/heroica-goldpile.jpg] [b]120 gold[/b]

[u][u][u][u][u][u][u][u][u][b][u]The Party:[/u][/b][/u][/u][/u][/u][/u][/u][/u][/u][/u]

[font=courier new,courier,monospace][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][img=https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7224/13420418593_2f10c929e7_o.jpg]
[size=2][b]Arthur Justus Regulus VII[/b], a Hero Who Is Actually Worth Something (played by Flipz), Level 32.25 Skirmisher, 22-year-old male Human [b]*Immune to [color=#008080]Fragile[/color] and all [color=#808000]Poisons[/color]*[/b] [b]*Only Receives One Negative Effect At A Time*[/b]  [ [i]Currently in:[/i] [b]Six Thousand Feet Under[/b]] [b][color=#B22222] [/color][/b][b][color=#006400]*Party Leader!* [/color][color=#008080]*Hastened!*[/color][/b][/size]
[size=2][b]Power:[/b] 42 [color=#808080](31 + WP:11)[/color]
[b]Health:[/b] 54/54 [color=#808080](Basic Health: 5 + Level Bonus: 30 + Class Boost: 15 + Permanent Boost: 4*)[/color]
[s]Ether:  36/36 [color=#808080](Basic Ether: 5 + Level Bonus: 30)[/color][/s]
[b]Defense:[/b] 20[color=#808080] (Arm Shield: 14 + Duke's Coat-of-Arms: 5 + Unicorn Helmet: 1)[/color]
[b]Gold:[/b] 233 [color=grey](Owed 128 gold by Boomingham)[/color]
[b]Equipment:[/b] Gladiator Trident (WP: 11, Spear, causes bleeding effect), Arm Shield (SP:14), Duke's Coat-of-Arms (Protects against [color=#008080]Fragile[/color] and all [color=#808000]Poisons[/color], SP; 5, suitable for knights, dragoons, skirmishers and regulators; bodywear), Unicorn Helmet (SP:1; the wearer can only receive one negative effect at a time, with a new effect replacing the old one; usable by barbarians, knights, dragoons, infiltrators, regulators, skirmishers, and winged warriors; headwear), Zap-Tap Badge (Artefact, Accessory.  Has a 1/2 chance to deal [color=#DAA520]Electric[/color] damage to an opponent who has dealt damage to a hero, equal to the hero's level.),[/size] [size=2]Cloak of Deception (Backwear, Free hits against the wearer have a 1/6 chance to be redirected to a random opponent[/size]
[size=2][b]Inventory:[/b]
[i]Weapons:[/i] Zoot's Rebel (WP:20 broomstick, suitable to Arthur only), Sir Roderick's Sword (WP:12, Longsword), Sword of the Vampir (WP:17, user is [color=#800080]Jinxed[/color]), Duplovian Swift Halberd (WP:3, [color=#FF8C00]stuns[/color] on successful hits, Hollow [Ambrosia] halberd),Spider Leg (WP:8, doubled against flying enemies; spear), Dauntlet Index (Spear, WP: 8, WP dobuled against humanoids)
(Unsuitable weapons: Ammit (Greatsword, WP 6, gains 5 Ether for each kill),
[i]Artifacts:[/i]  Duplovian Helmet of the Guard (SP:2, Immune to Magic and Healing), Shackles of War (Accessory, Prevents anyone from fleeing battles), Jester's Hat (Headwear, Wearer may choose to gain one immunity from targeted enemy), Stingy Gloves (Handwear, wearable by everybody. Prevents enemies from ever stealing gold from you.), Minoid Card Key, [/size][size=2][size=2]Cloak of Deception (Backwear, Free hits against the wearer have a 1/6 chance to be redirected to a random opponent[/size][/size]
[size=2](Unsuitable Artifacts: [s]Sticky Gloves (Handwear, Increases the amount of gold stolen by 50% (rounded up), suitable for rogues and beast warriors)[/s] (sent to Isaac Shawe) )
[i]Gems:[/i] Opal ([b][color=#3399FF]Ice[/color][/b]), Amethyst ([b][color=#4B0082]Darkness[/color][/b]), Topaz ([b][color=#DAA520]Lightning[/color][/b]), Diamond ([color=#F5DEB3][b]Light[/b][/color]), Garnet ([b][color=#8B4513]Earth[/color][/b]),
[i]Tools:[/i] Bedroll, Telescope, Shovel, Magnifying Glass, Pickaxe, Magic Compass
[i]Scrolls:[/i] [color=#CC6666]All Lent![/color]
[i]Consumables:[/i]
*Healing: Potion, Tonic, Grand Tonic , Ether Core, Remedy x6, Elixir x4, Sushi x3
*Status: Nostrum x2, Hurricane, Mead x2, Ambrosia x2, Dragon Scale, Jinxy Juice, Blind Fury, Love Potion
*Venoms: Exterlate, Noxious Venom (When used on a weapon, the weapon deals the [color=#666600]Poisoned-by-10[/color] effect for the duration of the battle and the [color=#FF8C00]Confused[/color] effect for the next three rounds, for the duration of one battle.), Crumbling Venom (-3 HP/-1 SP per round)
*Permanent Improvement: Bright Polish x2, Grating Stone, Ella's Pie (Permanently boosts max. ether by 5 but permanently decreases max. health by 5 when consumed.),
*Bombs: Smoke Bomb x5, 3 Bones, Chaotic Bomb (Causes 100 random elemental damage to all opponents), Pumpkin Bomb (Causes stunned-, poisoned-, asleep-, blinded-, sealed- and confused-effects to all opponents when used.),
*Currency: Scrap Metal x2[/size], [size=2]Silver Ore[/size] [size=2]x2[/size][/font][/font]
[b][size=2][color=#4B0082]Bookmark is hitching a ride.[/color][/size][/b]

[font=courier new,courier,monospace][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][url="http://www.flickr.com/photos/the_custom_ones_photos/7658311678/"][img=http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8167/7658311678_af277ff22a_t.jpg][/url]
[size=2]Claire, 23 Year Old Northern Human [color=#800080][b]*Immersed!* [/b][/color][/size]
[size=2][b]Level 22 Druid[/b][/size]
[size=2][b]Power:[/b] 37
[b]Health:[/b] 36/36
[b]Ether:[/b] 15/25
[b]Gold: [/b]958[/size]
[size=2][b]Equipped:[/b] Tritech Handcannon (WP:15, [color=#FF0000]Fire-elemental [/color][color=#4b0082][b]*Poisoned 10!*[/b][/color]), Satchel of Awesomeness (Permanent [color=#DAA520]Lucky[/color][color=#282828]-effect; bodywear)[/color][color=#282828], Overkill Gloves, [/color][/size][size=2][color=#282828][size=2][color=#282828]Mage's muffler (protects from sealing)[/color][/size][/color]
[b]Inventory[/b][color=#282828]: [/color][color=#282828]Longbow (WP:7), Helmet (+1 max. health), 6 Potions, 3 Grand Potions, 6 Mead, 2 Smelling Salts, 15 Venoms, 3 Deadly Venoms, 2 Floral Bombs, 2 Ice Bombs, 2 Lightning Bombs, 1 Fire Bomb, 3 Smoke Bombs, 2 Water Bombs, 2 Holy Bomb, 2 Dirt Bombs, 2 Air Bombs, Bone, Skeleton Decoy, Bedroll, Shovel, Pickaxe, Telescope, Saber teeth, Scroll of Weakening, Snake Eye Charm (protects from petrified), , Jinxy Juice, Grand Tonic x2, Love Potion, Blind Fury[/color][color=#282828], Grating Stone, Jinxy Juice, Mythril Shard[/color][/size], [size=2] Unlucky Horseshoe (WP:13, retrievable, causes [color=#800080]Jinxed[/color]-effect; throwing weapon),[/size] [size=2]Staff of Ennon - (WP: 5, [color=#F5DEB3]Light[/color]-Elemental, Restores 2 ether on a roll of 2, 3, or 4)[/size], [size=2]Scroll of Sleep, Scroll of Frailty, Scroll of Blindness, Scroll of Confusion, Healing Staff (WP: 5)[/size],[size=2] Silver Ore[/size], [size=2][color=#282828]Amulet of Optimism (Adds the [/color][color=#FFD700]confused[/color][color=#282828]-effect to all attacks; suitable to Erdathcath only; accessory)[/color][/size], [size=2]Elixir, Emergency Essence, Qlice (WP: 8, permanent [color=#008000]Poison 4[/color], Club), Agni Bomb[/size][/font][/font]

[font=courier new,courier,monospace][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][color=#282828][size=2][img=http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8123/8605602704_4e09abb709_t.jpg][color=#000000] [/color][/size][/color]
[size=2]Cliff, 42 Year Old Ogre [color=#4b0082][b]*Immersed!* [/b][/color][b][color=#4b0082]*Poison 10!*[/color][/b][/size]
[size=2][color=#282828][color=#000000][b]Level: [/b]15[/color][/color]
[color=#282828][color=#000000][b]Power:[/b] 23 (14 + 8 + permanent boost of 1)[/color][/color]
[color=#282828][color=#000000][b]SP: 0[/b][/color][/color]
[color=#282828][color=#000000][b]Health:[/b] 13/23[/color][/color]
[color=#282828][color=#000000][b]Ether: 7[/b]/19[/color][/color]
[color=#282828][color=#000000][b]Gold:[/b] 271[/color][/color][/size]
[size=2][color=#282828][color=#000000][b]Equipment: [/b] Knotted Broom (WP: 6), [/color][/color][/size][size=2][color=#282828][color=#000000][size=2]Noble Mask (Wearer gains gold equal to the number of enemies after each victorious battle; headwear),[/size] [/color][/color][/size][size=2][color=#282828][color=#000000][size=2]Lens of Speed Reading ([i]Accessory, Allows a scroll to be read in addition to a normal action.  Suitable for scroll users[/i].),[/size][/color][/color]
[color=#282828][color=#000000][b]Inventory:[/b] Shovel, Pickaxe, Scroll of Frailty, Scroll of Sleep, Mead, Remedy x3, Potion x2, Bone x2, Grand Potion, Bunch of Cherries (10/10 cherries that each restore 1 ether when eaten), Chaotic Bomb (Causes 100 random elemental damage to all opponents), Bedroll, Ice Bomb, Root beer [color=#282828](Restores 10 health, or can be used as a bomb against Undead enemies for 20 damage (Does not affect non-Undead enemies)), Ambrosia, [/color][/color][/color]Scroll of Blindness, Scroll of Confusion, Scroll of Armor Sundering (Reduces target’s SP by 5 and has a 50/50 chance of success), Scroll of Poisoning (Grants target’s weapon the Poisoned 10 effect for one battle at the cost of 5 ether), Scroll of Luck (Grants target the Lucky-effect for one battle. Costs 10 ether.), Scroll of Weakening, Healing Staff (WP: 5), Smoke Bomb, Plague Venom, Staff of the Cultist Battlemage (WP: 7, 50% chance of Fleeing upon being KO'd; suitable for Mages and Clerics),[/size] [size=2][color=#282828][color=#000000]Tricorne (suitable for anyone, SP: 3, headwear),[/color][/color][/size] [size=2]Grand Tonic x2[/size], [size=2]Pugilist's Gloves (+2 power/immune to Weakened)[/size], [size=2][size=2]Scarf of Misfortune (Accessory, Wearer deals the [color=#800080][b]Jinxed[/b][/color] effect on every third round)[/size][/size], [size=2]Splinter Broom (WP: 8, defies SP)[/size], [size=2]Opal, Amethyst, Diamond, Nostrum[/size]

[size=2][img=http://i.imgur.com/5kv3dx9.png] "VICTORY: Achieved."[/size]
[size=2][b]Minoid, Level 20.33 [/b][b]Drilling Automaton [/b] [/size]
[size=2][b]HP:[/b][b] [/b]32/32[/size]
[size=2][b]Power: [/b]33[/size]
[size=2][b]SP: [/b]2[/size]
[size=2][b]Equipment: [/b]Minoid Drill Arm (WP: 13), Iron Shell (SP: 2), Scanning Eye (Allows the Minoid to analyze most foes before battle. If in battle, it can spend a turn to analyze the fight)[/size]
[size=2][b]Inventory: [/b]Remedy x2,[/size] [size=2]Hollow Blade Dagger (WP:6, dagger, hollow-blade [Phoenix Essence]), [/size] [size=2][color=#282828]Quick bow (WP: 6, Suitable to rangers, provides hastened effect for one round each battle)[/color][/size][/font] [/font]

[i]Lynne looks around the room like a frightened child.[/i]

[img=http://i.imgur.com/eVwFhDF.png]
"Take me with you, please... I can't be alone... Not here, not now..."

[font=courier new,courier,monospace][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][size=2][img=http://i.imgur.com/5kv3dx9.png][/size][/font][/font]
[font=courier new,courier,monospace][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][size=2][size=4][b]"STATEMENT: The door upwards should be open. The six pedestals have been pressed, and [/b][/size][/size][/font][/font][b]the light seems to be reflected properly."[/b]
[/quote]

As you can see, the rich-text editor is really messed-up.

[Kintobor]

"If I may offer some advice, Lynne? You're never going back, the past is in the past. Let it go...let it go. Don't hold it back anymore. It's funny how some distance makes everything seem small, but the things that once controlled you can't get to you at all. It's time to see what you can do, to test the limits and break through. His rules were wrong, trust me, you see...you're free."

OOC: I regret nothing!

My reaction:

I'm going to assume the cold doesn't bother her anymore as well?

Edited June 14, 2014 by Kintobor

[The_Customizer]

I'm going to assume the cold doesn't bother her anymore as well?

Of course it doesn't! Now that we saved her, nothing bothers her anyway.

[Sandy]

Can I just reiterate how overused "immune to negative effects" is these days?

Point taken. It's just that negative effects are damn effective, and if there's only one enemy in the battle (as boss battles usually go), it's easy for the party just keep the boss from hurting them with effects while chipping away it's health.

And if the boss is given immunity to all those crippling effects, there's not many left (poisoned, bleeding and cursed), so it's simpler to just make it immune to them all. That way the party will have to rely on their own strength and positive effects, which is the whole point of having a "big bad boss" in the first place - the heroes need to give all they've got, at the risk of losing everything.

[Endgame]

Wouldn't relying on the party's strength include the items and weapons they have obtained? Using "immune to all negative effects" rarely increases the challenge, it just makes them a lot less approachable. It simplifies what may have otherwise been a good fight with a few tweaks to severals rolls of the die for a week or two. It removes a significant amount of strategy, and can just make battles long slogs.

Also, now that poison stacks, it can actual deal a fair bit of damage, while not being crippling. Had we been allowed to use poison on Aureole, it would've made the fight so much less stressful.

[Actaeon]

I'm beginning to realize this game is way more complicated and takes way more strategy that I suspected

[CMP]

I blame Flipz for spamming scroll effects.