Heroica RPG General Discussion

[Scubacarrot]

I just realised something, Nagure the yeti, got a yeti-coat. Is that a coat for yeti's or a coat made out of yeti's?

[Rumble Strike]

Is Nagure wearing a relative as a coat? That's hardcore! And thanks again WBD for the Swashbuckler class, from which I have incorporated some of your ideas.

[Scubacarrot]

I'd hoped Hlin had the shield he had earlier, but I guess he's an adventurer now, and no longer a guardsman!

[Rumble Strike]

You mean the 50% health removal Shield roll? For a minute I thought you meant an actual shield, and went back to the first pic of him from the Darkstar Quest to see if he had one! I thought that special was too powerful in use for an NPC, and wanted to try out some of WBD's Swashbuckler ideas.

[Flipz]

Holy heck, Thormy, you're like a front-row Sorcerer with that sword! And you do damage on a SHIELD and gain Gold on a Miss!

...nice stat build!

In other news, I know it's a pain waiting, but I really, really, really want to wait for that item switcheroo I mentioned in 53. Now that permadeath is about to happen, we need to have our builds optimized; after Hoke and Arthur are both Level 20, I'll ask Alexis for the Lens back and let Hoke use the Counterstrike Gloves, which will make him a Free Hit champion (has SP AND Counterstrikes AND has a 1/6 chance of dodging Free Hits).

Edited January 5, 2013 by Flipz

[swils]

Yeah, I only had to give Doc the Armor Sundering Scroll, a couple hundred gold, and my soul. Pretty solid combo though. Now I just need a pair of Lucky Dice or similar...

E:

To clarify: I feel as though, by giving Doc the scroll, I have contributed to the making of a min-maxing monster. Mixed feelings, heh.

Edited January 5, 2013 by swils

[Pyrovisionary]

I just realised something, Nagure the yeti, got a yeti-coat. Is that a coat for yeti's or a coat made out of yeti's?

I think it is a coat for yetis, pretty pointless seeing as they already have fur! But it was for the sake of it!! Edited January 5, 2013 by Skyrimguy

[Scubacarrot]

I don't see 12 SP as pretty pointless.

[Pyrovisionary]

Also, Talking of optimizing builds, What do you mean by that? I know you want to get to max efficiency but.. How would you plan to do that? Ok, Gimme an example on how to optimize Sarge?

[Flare]

Everyone pick an artist to steal lyrics from.

Can do

[Scubacarrot]

I think people just mean to be the most powerful for the class they are, the way to optimize that is through items, for example: A druid should get items that enhance their healing and make sure they aren't stopped healing. A spellcaster that focusses on scrolls (Flipz), should get items that help that, Skrall, having a 20WP weapon that is also slowed, optimized that weapon by getting an item that stopped him from being slowed.

Sarge is already pretty powerful, he got an extremely powerful artifact and a very cool weapon, he can always attack four enemies now. What I would do is try to figure out ways how to enlarge the usefulness of that. With the items that you have now, Witch would be a great advanced class for Sarge, Get a Witch's amulet, and you are able to deadly poison four enemies in one turn.

[Scorpiox]

Scorpiox, I think we just out-Flipzed Flipz.

Flawless victory!

One knows one's done well when Flipz can't wall of text one's wall of text.

[Pyrovisionary]

I think people just mean to be the most powerful for the class they are, the way to optimize that is through items, for example: A druid should get items that enhance their healing and make sure they aren't stopped healing. A spellcaster that focusses on scrolls (Flipz), should get items that help that, Skrall, having a 20WP weapon that is also slowed, optimized that weapon by getting an item that stopped him from being slowed.

Sarge is already pretty powerful, he got an extremely powerful artifact and a very cool weapon, he can always attack four enemies now. What I would do is try to figure out ways how to enlarge the usefulness of that. With the items that you have now, Witch would be a great advanced class for Sarge, Get a Witch's amulet, and you are able to deadly poison four enemies in one turn.

Thanks man! I never really considered going witch properly. I may choose that path!

[Flipz]

I think people just mean to be the most powerful for the class they are, the way to optimize that is through items, for example: A druid should get items that enhance their healing and make sure they aren't stopped healing. A spellcaster that focusses on scrolls (Flipz), should get items that help that, Skrall, having a 20WP weapon that is also slowed, optimized that weapon by getting an item that stopped him from being slowed.

Sarge is already pretty powerful, he got an extremely powerful artifact and a very cool weapon, he can always attack four enemies now. What I would do is try to figure out ways how to enlarge the usefulness of that. With the items that you have now, Witch would be a great advanced class for Sarge, Get a Witch's amulet, and you are able to deadly poison four enemies in one turn.

Alternatively, you could go Assassin and have a shot at Assassinating up to four enemies per turn. It's all in where you want to go: Witch can self-heal, and is great if you want to inflict a lot of Effects (Witch works well with Scrolls and weapons that deal effects), but that's going to come at something of a cost as you buy artifacts and items you'll need. On the other hand, Assassin wouldn't really need much investment (since you'd obviously not care too much about using a bow since your scissors have that useful dual-strike effect), but it comes at the cost of less assured damage and a SHIELD that does no direct damage at all.

As yet another alternative, you could even stick with Rogue past Level 15 and build your strategy around super-powerful Mugs, coupled with the Nostrum-Mead strategy; it's all in how you want to play your cards.

Flawless victory!

One knows one's done well when Flipz can't wall of text one's wall of text.

Also, nice touch, WBD--those two cadets don't have uniforms because Arthur stole them.

[Scubacarrot]

I think it was decided for Hybros that weapons that hit multiple enemies on a hit or crit only give the assassination chance on the main target, I'm assuming it'd would work the same for dual weapons, so that's why I did not say assassin.

[Wedge09]

I saw that you were talking about optimizing builds; can I ask you, as Skyrimguy, an exemple of strategy to optimize my character??

[Flipz]

I think it was decided for Hybros that weapons that hit multiple enemies on a hit or crit only give the assassination chance on the main target, I'm assuming it'd would work the same for dual weapons, so that's why I did not say assassin.

Oh, that's right. But the weapons that hit all enemies still have the Assassination chance on all (at least, that's how Sandy seems to have been running it in Q50 ).

[Pyrovisionary]

I saw that you were talking about optimizing builds; can I ask you, as Skyrimguy, an exemple of strategy to optimize my character??

Try and get the best you can with the best stuff you have and make that the best! Or something like that!

As yet another alternative, you could even stick with Rogue past Level 15 and build your strategy around super-powerful Mugs, coupled with the Nostrum-Mead strategy; it's all in how you want to play your cards.

Yeah, Rouge is the perfect class for sarge, but I wouldn't get any health bonuses. I've weighed up the pros and cons and losing the chance to get gold doesn't really matter when I have other pros such as increased health and the ability to heal and poison or whatever.

Edited January 5, 2013 by Skyrimguy

[Endgame]

I just got some rather unpleasant dental work, 48ers, shlo noww ay tallk lyk thlish. I'll try to update later today.

[The Legonater]

Oh, that's right. But the weapons that hit all enemies still have the Assassination chance on all (at least, that's how Sandy seems to have been running it in Q50 ).

I didn't even think about that. Okay, I'm definitely more willing to set aside my bow now

[Scubacarrot]

Oh, that's right. But the weapons that hit all enemies still have the Assassination chance on all (at least, that's how Sandy seems to have been running it in Q50 ).

Oh? I must admit that I can't find it in Quest 50 when I just looked.

Yeah, Rouge is the perfect class for sarge, but I wouldn't get any health bonuses. I've weighed up the pros and cons and losing the chance to get gold doesn't really matter when I have other pros such as increased health and the ability to heal and poison or whatever.

And Mirror AND Hex. The Witch class is awesome, dude. Look through Quest 40 and you see Atramor is really spicing up the battles, very fun to QM, as well. Angry Seaweed allies, they might be the best thing.

[CMP]

And Mirror AND Hex. The Witch class is awesome, dude. Look through Quest 40 and you see Atramor is really spicing up the battles, very fun to QM, as well. Angry Seaweed allies, they might be the best thing.

Hex is one of the the most underpowered Shields out there, but like you say it pales in comparison to the other features anyway, namely Special Mirror.

And yes, spawning new allies is fun. Most of them put elemental summons to shame.

[Zepher]

Oh? I must admit that I can't find it in Quest 50 when I just looked.

The Bladearang had a chance to assassinate all enemies when it hit them in Q39, as per Sandy's ruling.

EDIT: I also can't remember, but I'm pretty sure, ALL weapon's effects are only used if it's a physical attack, spells disregard them, right? So the explosive staff and book, when used by Nyx, would only have the ability to do it's 1/2 to everyone or summon when she physically attacks?

Edited January 5, 2013 by Zepher

[Pyrovisionary]

EDIT: I also can't remember, but I'm pretty sure, ALL weapon's effects are only used if it's a physical attack, spells disregard them, right? So the explosive staff and book, when used by Nyx, would only have the ability to do it's 1/2 to everyone or summon when she physically attacks?

Unless you have Dekra's Kunoi mask.

Hex does need to be powered up Maybe for the rest of the battle rather than the next round. Then again...

Edited January 5, 2013 by Skyrimguy

[CMP]

Hex does need to be powered up Maybe for the rest of the battle rather than the next round. Then again...

Now that would be overpowered.