Zepher Posted December 10, 2011 Posted December 10, 2011 Quick observer critique: Story was awesome. Nice job hosts. I would never put actions with roles, it's too obvious. It would be like a classical game is the "town doctor" had the doctor role. How could he get out from that? That's my only host complaint, other than that, great pace, great presentation, nice story, the side missions seem cool! Players: def and Kiel dominated. def, I think you know why you can tick people off sometimes, you're a little.... blunt, and when you pick a target, you don't let them go. Doesn't mean you're not one of the most awesome players ever, but I feel like you could do it in a less brutal way sometimes. That being said, you were pretty awesome this game, and hit an agent... every day? Just don't get so irritated at people. Sure, people freak sometimes, but we all do, maybe be more forgiving? I understand your frustration is people don't pay attention, they're not pulling their own weight, and I get that, when you are as good of a player as you are and others aren't pulling their weight, it makes the game less fun for you! Kiel, basic same notes to you, you got your points across, did a great job, and seemed to be pretty nice to everyone, so 's to you two. Scum.... you pretty much were screwed from Day 1. Don't know why, but it may be do to a lack of effort. Not all of you went down easy, however. Brickdoctor, nice job staying alive for so long. Over-all nice game. I liked almost everyone's role playing. I have to say the part that confused me most about this game was the big issue over "swearing on the bible" and how huffy everyone got about "religion" being dragged into the game... it's a saying, relates to the US Court system, and everyone seemed to look at it like it was the worst thing someone could do or say...
Tamamono Posted December 10, 2011 Posted December 10, 2011 def, what put you on to me in the first place? Well, I can't speak for def, but the way you acted in voting tipped me off about you on Day 1. Both you and Doc were hasty to take back your votes for sok, but hesitant to jump on the Catwoman bandwagon. Nightshroud and Rumble Strike did pretty good jobs of bussing Pie, therefore keeping me from suspecting them early on, but they still voted pretty late.
Scorpiox Posted December 10, 2011 Posted December 10, 2011 Over-all nice game. I liked almost everyone's role playing. I have to say the part that confused me most about this game was the big issue over "swearing on the bible" and how huffy everyone got about "religion" being dragged into the game... it's a saying, relates to the US Court system, and everyone seemed to look at it like it was the worst thing someone could do or say... I'm pretty sure they swear on the Holy Bible in British courts as well, and why were people unhappy about me swearing on my Holy book? Who could I have been offending? Myself? I'm a Christian and I believe in the teachings of Christ and the Holy Bible.
CMP Posted December 10, 2011 Posted December 10, 2011 (edited) Scum.... you pretty much were screwed from Day 1. Don't know why, but it may be do to a lack of effort. Don't think it was that. Again, most of us assumed everyone was blindly following def - it was emphasized day in and day out as we got killed. It was basically whoever def suspected got lynched or killed, and that was a result of his fantastic gameplay. We did try hard - it's just not possible to gain a foothold when nearly everybody is against you. Edited December 10, 2011 by CallMePieOrDie
Peanuts Posted December 10, 2011 Posted December 10, 2011 I'm pretty sure they swear on the Holy Bible in British courts as well, and why were people unhappy about me swearing on my Holy book? Who could I have been offending? Myself? I'm a Christian and I believe in the teachings of Christ and the Holy Bible. I didn't find it offensive at all, I just think, it's a game which involves lying to such a big extend, so I think it's a bit inappropiate, and even more when done during a defense. No idea why people would find it offensive, though. Nothing against Christanity, so if you would have sworn in the conclusion, I wouldn't have minded at all. I didn't consider it a major faux pas, though. But it was a bit out of character, too. But on another note, about KDM, your point against Brickdoctor with the "He has to get a penalty or he's lying" argumentation was somewhat unfair in my opinion. And metagaming. Don't get me wrong, you were one of the most active townies, far more helpful than me, and it's good the very important role of Baby Doll was taken by you, but honestly, I think you shouldn't have done that. Good job anyway.
Tamamono Posted December 10, 2011 Posted December 10, 2011 (edited) I'm pretty sure they swear on the Holy Bible in British courts as well, and why were people unhappy about me swearing on my Holy book? Who could I have been offending? Myself? I'm a Christian and I believe in the teachings of Christ and the Holy Bible. I personally have no problem with it, but this is an international site, so religious/political topics should generally be avoided here. Edited December 10, 2011 by Captain Tamamono
def Posted December 10, 2011 Posted December 10, 2011 Well thanks to ADHO and Penguin! I realize this is your first mafia game, so there will definitely be some criticisms. Please take them in stride. At some points I really enjoyed the game, though toward the end there was a little more frustration. I think scum losing their night kill ability really handicapped them, and I've never seen a mafia where that happens. That fact takes away from some of my satisfaction in winning. I suppose them having a recruiter balanced it out, but we lynched them on day one Attaching abilities to characters is a big mistake. I tried to stay in denial of it for a while, even as Catwoman claimed a thieving ability. But around the time Oky started hypothesizing (correctly) that Croc was the vig I was pretty annoyed. <why would a town player try to out the vig on their own side > I've read Batman, but not much in the last 20 years, so more than half were unknown to me. But for people who know the characters well, they shouldn't have an advantage. Lastly, I felt there were too many abilities, and that was the real reason I was able to pinpoint the scum. Of course, Hogwarts mafia was also all-abilities, and the scum won, so there are no guarantees there. But I think it's easier to hunt scum in an all-ability game, unless there are more randomized/duplicated actions. I don't think this was too much of a problem though. Those are the key issues with the game for me. On the positive side, you were generally timely, which isn't as easy as it sounds. And I liked some of the abilities you created. The Clayface copy ability was very interesting. It gave us a second investigator, a second blocker, etc etc, and acted like a role cop of sorts. And I liked Man-Bat's ability to pinpoint the number of Town in a vote. Your presentation was fun. The comics were a nice touch Overall, a solid first game, and I look forward to seeing what you can do in the future. What I also found was iritating was that def would basically do what he lynched me for every day after my death: give reasons to lynch somebody, but vote for somebody else. I know it wasn't in the same vein in which I did it, but it still really ticked me off, though it's kind of obvious considering he's pretty much the one who killed me. But usually, I was simply voting for the person who I was targeting next, and the person being voted for was already guaranteed to be lynched. And I didn't defend the person being lynched. The main scummy thing you did was copying me from the Baritones. We were scum buddies there, remember On day one there, I was "too sensible" and refused to vote for Big Cam. In this case, you had been flippant about voting anybody, but when the bandwagon started, you tried to differentiate yourself. I was very happy to get a day one lynch, and that was how the ball got rolling with townies sharing info, which was the real key to the scum's demise. Damn! Well, it was fun, but due to horrible timing, I couldn't contribute much. But killed on the last night just sucks! Before I say more, I must apologize greatly to Peanuts. I felt bad when I said we had no trust, I knew we made up in PMs, but I'm still greatly sorry! My death had nothing to do with forgetting to send in my PM, did it? But just remind me to never play during this time of year again. Congrats to the winners! I swear, in thread, and in PMs, everyone kept telling me Two-Face was scum. I told everyone you were just lazy. But, they all kept wanting to get you. Be more active next time Congratulations, Town! This game was the most fun I've had in a true mafia game, despite the fact that I ended up being lynched for something I couldn't change after watching the Agent team disintegrate around me. Day 1, I think, was the turning point. Just about twenty more hours, and the Agents would have been in a much better position. CallmePie was our converter, and we had planned to convert def or KDM. Then Rumble Strike had the bad luck of targeting the Riddler the same Night as Clayface, and Nightshroud couldn't kill anyone. I was the framer. I gave KDM that false result on himself on Day 2 hoping that he would get another investigator to investigate the same person I was to test my sanity, so then I could frame the player instead, and both of us investigators would return a scum result. Players of note, to me: KDM and def - solely because you guys managed to arrange those teams of Townies that prevented me from being able to predict the investigator's targets. Tammo - you were Scum? Never would've guessed. I did notice you seemed to jump at the same targets for lynches that I did, when I knew they were Town. JediAnakin - you became less sheepish as the game progressed. Nice job. Oh, yes, and about the un-investigatable thing: I completed a task the Night before the first investigation, which blocked that, but I have no idea why the second investigation failed. I think you did a good job Brickdoctor, you definitely put up the best defense of all the scum The investigator claim really didn't sit right with me, and there was no other choice to lynch but you. Nice job! Congratulations town! Before I start, I really didn't notice about Kiel's last PM, that was actually true about me missing it. Yes I was the scum blocker, not the inventor, but one of my roles was to hand out pies, the other to use them myself. def - Good job, you practically won this for the town. Sorry for getting angry day four, but my annoyence of your attitude was nothing to do with me being scum. I genuinely was irritated by you, but I hope I didn't offend when I got angry. Sorry. I'll share more thoughts later, anyone want me to link to the scum board here? You can say it has nothing to do with being scum, but I still think it was. In that first PM to me, you really were a snarky dick, and there was no reason to be. If you were town, you wouldn't reply the way you did (nobody else in town had any attitude whatsoever). Reread this and tell me what you think, if this was a way to start off on the right foot: Oh, you're doing the doesn't-have-any-evidence-therefor-is-scum approach. That's going to win the game for you. I've told Doll my action, if you care then ask her. I'll be voting for Wesker today, but I don't have anything to share, or I would have done already. I was working very hard to take scum out, and you give a sarcastic remark. It didn't make me think you were scum, but it made me think you were in high school. I chatted with Rumblestrike about it, but the general notion is that, during the game and only in the game, the scum are the worst human beings on the planet. Any amount of teasing is fair. Around the time you started getting really upset though, again, I figured you were in high school, and felt that even in a game, it might be inappropriate. Hopefully, after the smoke had cleared, and you got a few steps away from the game, you saw it was game based, and meant to rattle you. I wanted the scum writeboard hating me. I wanted you to call me a bastard That was my goal. It made them stand out a lot more in the game. And I need to point out, the scum or dumb mantra really worked! The townies were indeed very lazy the first few days, but they started to rally by day three. And active townies mean dead scum. No townies gave me any attitude whatsoever. I must apologize for bringing this up again, as I'm sure there was enough of it on Day 5. It's just really insulting to hear that I'm being unhelpful when I've really tried to be (it's not my fault that I got blocked). Def didn't tell me anything, I told him everything. And if I asked him to be a little more trusting, I'm suddenly "fishing for information". Hey, I'm just trying to make informed decisions. I know my rants didn't help one bit, but consider it the pissed-off side of me. I explained it in thread a number of times, so I still don't know what is confusing about this Croc was killing scum. Oky was blocking scum. Tammo was investigating scum. Man-Bat was watching scum. Clayface was doing all of that. etc etc Then there was you, with some random abilities you didn't know what they were. The meaning of help in my examples (which I clearly stated that day) was directly leading to taking out scum. You couldn't do that. And that was also the case with a lot of the other scum. So it wasn't a criticism of your attitude in any way, but a statement of how I was pinpointing scum through everyone's night actions. Friends? Wait... what? What happened? Croc killed K-Nut, but how did I die? Did I die by default? Yup! I was converted by FFB on Night 4. I have so much to say on this game, but first I have to read over the conclusion several more times. I still don't understand what happened. I think it was because the game was over when the agents were taken out. You were too late! Great job Tammo You were very very helpful behind the scenes, and I can't remember the examples since it was Day 2, but you gave me some helpful ideas. I think we've seen a really solid improvement in your play from game to game. Like I assured CallMePie, existing stories and relationships in the comics and films had absolutely no effect on which characters were scum. I mostly organised the roles and I was not a particularly big Batman fan before starting work on this game a year ago, so I was not too aware that Catwoman wasn't really a criminal and was likely to be working for Batman. If anything, the Agents' allegiance was probably based on their roles, which isn't great, I know. I can agree with this. I was quite worried I would be pegged as an agent day one since the Creeper is technically a hero, so I just tried to avoid saying that. So, it was a great game, but I feel like I screwed it up. I strongly mistrusted WhiteFang, which lead me to believe he was lying and therefore defending Rumble Strike and killing myself. But what I didn't understand back then and still don't understand, if WhiteFang had the role to copy another role, why wouldn't he copy the investigator? And additionally, KDM had told me he had claimed that he had redirected me at Brickdoctor on day one, while Doc claimed his target had been unaltered and mine hadn't been either. Well, that's why I did what I did. I know I was no help for the town, but I felt slightly offended when you thought I'd pull of a scum flail. Am I really that noobish? Actually Peanuts, I don't remember you ever playing scum before, so I thought that you would be having difficulty doing it for the first time. When I said what I did about Whitefang and Rumblestrike, I was 100% sure of it, and couldn't fathom your doubt. When Bob died, I was ready to lynch Whitefang, and asked him to "confess" in thread about it. The moment he did, I all of a sudden clued in to why Bob had died and what it said about Rumblestrike. So, your attempt to steer things differently really stuck out. And you were also one of those players with an unhelpful night action. If it makes you feel better, I didn't feel confident you were scum. That was my biggest mistake. I'm sorry. Please forgive me def, when you read the scum board forgive me for ranting like hell all over it. Difficult real-life issues put me in a not-to-be-messed-with-mood, and your attitude ticked me off. Tammo, wow, I never suspected you to be anything but town. def, what put you on to me in the first place? Guys, were we really 'the worst scum team ever' as def said we were? Honestly, you weren't the best team There were problems with your strategy, the #1 being uncooperative and #2 being poor at lying. All the town were helping me, so the people not helping me looked scummy. It was as easy as that. And when you had the spotlight shined on you, most of you went to the old, "the flock is trusting Creeps". And it wasn't as simple as that. There were investigative actions. There was a voting record. That day one and day two vote was a great place to check votes. When Catwoman was voted for, at least one of you should have voted very early for her, regardless of the outcome. On day two, one or two of you should have voted for Ventriloquist. It looks good for you. Brickdoctor was very cooperative (with Kiel) and unsurprisingly he survived the longest. When you are about to be lynched and are scum, you need to comb through the previous days, look for any detail that can save you and make a serious defense. Nobody, except Brickdoctor, made a defense at all. Flitwick might have if he was lynched, but luckily it didn't come to that. @Flitwick, your bussing lie was fair enough, but you would have been better to concoct a different roleclaim to justify targeting Rumblestrike night one. Then claiming to protect me was unbelievable If you were "really" protecting me, you should have contacted me in advance and said something like, "I know you think I'm scum, but I'm not. And I'm pretty sure you're not. You are a likely target tonight, so I'm protecting you." If you'd put that sort of effort in in advance, I would have had a lot more doubt about taking you out Players: def and Kiel dominated. def, I think you know why you can tick people off sometimes, you're a little.... blunt, and when you pick a target, you don't let them go. Doesn't mean you're not one of the most awesome players ever, but I feel like you could do it in a less brutal way sometimes. That being said, you were pretty awesome this game, and hit an agent... every day? Just don't get so irritated at people. Sure, people freak sometimes, but we all do, maybe be more forgiving? I understand your frustration is people don't pay attention, they're not pulling their own weight, and I get that, when you are as good of a player as you are and others aren't pulling their weight, it makes the game less fun for you! Kiel, basic same notes to you, you got your points across, did a great job, and seemed to be pretty nice to everyone, so 's to you two. As I covered with Scorpiox, I was trying to piss the scum off. I think part of it was there were so many n00bish players, I preyed on it In a regular game here, most of the players would just ignore it. But with almost every scum being lynched bitching about sheep, well, I laughed. I really was playing. But, I have to say, Oky, you did piss me off. I'm sorry if I was too harsh the last day. But it was something building up throughout the game. I'm all for new players playing, but I think they need to be willing to participate in the game, and not simply role-play. Some of the things that frustrated me: -not trying to coordinate your night action until I had contacted you. -trying to guess the identity of our vigilante in thread. Why would you want to let the scum know who is killing them? -repeatedly asking for information that had been stated in thread (like that Zsasz had been investigated) -concocting a theory that I was the biggest threat to town, that was based on nothing logical And that final point is what did annoy me. The reason was this: I had about 30-50 PMs coming in every game day, that I had to remember and organize. I had to take two pages of a notebook to keep track of who was who, who was cleared, what their claims were, etc etc. I had to wake up 20 minutes early each day to take the time to reply to people and share that info in thread. Compared to you, who I think was playing very casually. It's fine that you play that way, but the most work you put in the game was trying to explain a theory about me that was 100% wrong, and even wrong in your understanding of how the Serial Killer worked. That said, I wanted you to know why I was frustrated, but I'm sorry if I was too blunt, as Zepher puts it, in trying to get it across to you. For me, the best behind the scenes players were Tammo, Sirius Black, Whitefang, and Jedi Anakin. A few others did well too, but those players were very thoughtful and active, and I appreciated their support
ADHO15 Posted December 10, 2011 Author Posted December 10, 2011 Thank you very much for all your kind words and compliments. It seems most of you enjoyed the game and liked playing it, which is what the main goal was, so I'm glad that worked out. I know Penguin is thrilled that you all liked his comics. The liked the idea with the tasks; was there more behind them than giving people something to think about and distributing invulnerability for one night? What exactly was the punishment for not completing them? How many tasks were there? I'll go into all that later when I explain each task in turn... I can understand that, but there's the issue: you say allegiences may have been based on roles, which in turn were based on the characters. The game would've worked a lot better had the roles been random - again, def even assumed I was Independent due to being Catwoman. That's why we also thought the Riddler and Egghead were the investigators. Maybe you're right, but that is an obscure chain that isn't too obvious in the end. Ah, but Egghead wasn't technically an investigator role, so you can see how you still can't be certain when predicting the roles. Some of the tasks even consisted of recruiting people with certain roles, so this game was never meant to last all the way through without some roles becoming well known. I think you did a good job of it. Nobody thought I was the town doctor! They all seemed to think I had brawn but no brains..... Your character was a blocker when I first designed him, but eventually it turned into a more protective role, with a few hidden extras that I'll explain later... I would never put actions with roles, it's too obvious. It would be like a classical game is the "town doctor" had the doctor role. How could he get out from that? Why does he need to get out of it? Part of the skill in these games is coordinating the roles, which was really the main aim when it was so easy to work out most of the abilities. Organising an efficient town where the key roles are used to their maximum effectiveness is the real test of these games and I think it worked amazingly well here thanks to coordinators like def and KDM. Not only did it bring the town together, but it helped to weed out the Scum, so well done for that! I'm pretty sure they swear on the Holy Bible in British courts as well, and why were people unhappy about me swearing on my Holy book? Who could I have been offending? Myself? I'm a Christian and I believe in the teachings of Christ and the Holy Bible. Let's not get into that again. Religion is a touchy subject and people can get very easily offended by certain things, so like Tammo said, politics and religion are best kept to a minimum on international forums like this.
Rumble Strike Posted December 10, 2011 Posted December 10, 2011 I really liked the presentation, and the fact we were playing real characters. However I was very worried that our actions were tied with those characters, I mean, I'm Deadshot, what can I claim when somebody dies? I thought the "everyone has 2 abilities" meant that the Scum were struggling from the off as there were no vanilla Townies. There just weren't many "elements of doubt" when so many people can be investigated, watched or tracked. Deadshot was caught in a lie but basically I didn't have anywhere to go once that happened. I just tried to put some suspicion on Clayface, that was about all I could do. I did have a couple of PMs with def afterwards about his rather blunt approach. I said to him that I understood where he was coming from but that he could maybe tone it down just a fraction. I do understand that its purely while the game is on. I enjoyed being part of the Scum team - all great guys, very pleased to have played alongside you - but not actually being Scum, if that makes any sense. I really don't think I'm cut out for it. However, I think if Catwoman had survived the first day, maybe it would have been a different game. I would like to thank ADHO and the Penguin again for hosting this rather unique game.
JimBee Posted December 10, 2011 Posted December 10, 2011 I explained it in thread a number of times, so I still don't know what is confusing about this Croc was killing scum. Oky was blocking scum. Tammo was investigating scum. Man-Bat was watching scum. Clayface was doing all of that. etc etc Then there was you, with some random abilities you didn't know what they were. The meaning of help in my examples (which I clearly stated that day) was directly leading to taking out scum. You couldn't do that. And that was also the case with a lot of the other scum. So it wasn't a criticism of your attitude in any way, but a statement of how I was pinpointing scum through everyone's night actions. Friends? I guess I didn't really understand what you had meant by unhelpful, then. To me, on Day 5, it sounded like you were insinuating that because I was so useless with night actions, I was scummy. Even though you didn't say that, and you said that you didn't think I was scum, from your initial claim it did sound like that to me ("oh BTW Hush: useless=scum"). So yes, that's why I was overreacting so much, and as I told you some outside circumstances were adding to my bad mood. And that's a no-no, to bring stuff like that to mafia. Sorry.
Tamamono Posted December 10, 2011 Posted December 10, 2011 I think it was because the game was over when the agents were taken out. You were too late! I suppose so! In hindsight, I really should have seen it coming, since the only reason everyone was at the Iceberg Lounge was to get rid of the undercover agents. Great job Tammo You were very very helpful behind the scenes, and I can't remember the examples since it was Day 2, but you gave me some helpful ideas. I think we've seen a really solid improvement in your play from game to game. Thank you very much, def!
ADHO15 Posted December 10, 2011 Author Posted December 10, 2011 I suppose so! In hindsight, I really should have seen it coming, since the only reason everyone was at the Iceberg Lounge was to get rid of the undercover agents. I did contemplate whether I should confirm that there was a second scum faction that needed to be hunted down after the Agents were gone, but people did seem to be getting tired of the game and KDM made it incredibly clear that if I did that, and went against what I'd initially written as the Criminals' objective, I'd never live it down. So seeing as it was just you, I just ended it.
CMP Posted December 10, 2011 Posted December 10, 2011 I've come to realize a Day One lynch is the worst kind - there's nothing against you but your own words, and there's nothing to defend yourself with. And when a lynch has to be made, whoever throws the first stone either gets their lynch through or, in rare cases, gets lynched themselves. Gonna have to read every mafia through to figure this all out. Short as it was for me, this mafia is probably one of the biggest learning experiences so far for me.
def Posted December 10, 2011 Posted December 10, 2011 Don't think it was that. Again, most of us assumed everyone was blindly following def - it was emphasized day in and day out as we got killed. It was basically whoever def suspected got lynched or killed, and that was a result of his fantastic gameplay. We did try hard - it's just not possible to gain a foothold when nearly everybody is against you. You have to remember, most of the town was feeding me info. So, they weren't following me, they were working with me, and they knew I was getting reliable information. What Zeph said about effort... Say Zsasz, who was cooperative at first, but he never gave me any info. If he had bluffed a role, and then fed me fake info (some maybe true, some false) he would have lived as long as Brickdoctor. I trusted most of those who contacted me. But, it was most certainly not a case of people following the herd I've come to realize a Day One lynch is the worst kind - there's nothing against you but your own words, and there's nothing to defend yourself with. And when a lynch has to be made, whoever throws the first stone either gets their lynch through or, in rare cases, gets lynched themselves. Gonna have to read every mafia through to figure this all out. Short as it was for me, this mafia is probably one of the biggest learning experiences so far for me. You have to admit, you were scheming from the first post, trying to be active, but not too active, and you didn't vote for Riddler because you knew he would come up town and that would be a future defense. Right? There is something to go on, but it's not very substantial.
CMP Posted December 11, 2011 Posted December 11, 2011 You have to remember, most of the town was feeding me info. So, they weren't following me, they were working with me, and they knew I was getting reliable information. What Zeph said about effort... Say Zsasz, who was cooperative at first, but he never gave me any info. If he had bluffed a role, and then fed me fake info (some maybe true, some false) he would have lived as long as Brickdoctor. I trusted most of those who contacted me. But, it was most certainly not a case of people following the herd That makes me feel stupid. I warned my team not to all swarm at Kiel handing out their roles, that it would seem suspicious. Guess I was telling them not to do the right thing to the wrong person. This was just an unsual case, I don't think the 'innocent child' role is common in EB mafias, so I myself was realtively unsure of how to deal with it. Damn. You have to admit, you were scheming from the first post, trying to be active, but not too active, and you didn't vote for Riddler because you knew he would come up town and that would be a future defense. Right? There is something to go on, but it's not very substantial. Right. The only thing that can really get you killed on Day One is yourself. Trip over your own feet and you're pretty much screwed, because you can't really defend against yourself. We did all have fake roles lined up, but I was overly cautious. (As usual.) Feels like Bloodbricks all over again, in reverse.
Flipz Posted December 11, 2011 Posted December 11, 2011 Right. The only thing that can really get you killed on Day One is yourself. Trip over your own feet and you're pretty much screwed, because you can't really defend against yourself. I can only speak to the experience of playing in-person games (sit around someone's living room, draw random cards for roles, narrator has to improvise the narration), but that second part's pretty much true for the entire game.
def Posted December 11, 2011 Posted December 11, 2011 I'm looking at the scum board now Haven't got through day one yet, but I'm looking forward to it. It really is Meta-game central. For the record though, this is the first EB mafia I have ever survived It's amazing that people could consider me a dangerous player without a single survive to my name. To be fair though, when I first playing mafia, I latched onto the known names and targeted them. It really wasn't a good strategy. But, that's how I started out.
CMP Posted December 11, 2011 Posted December 11, 2011 I'm looking at the scum board now Haven't got through day one yet, but I'm looking forward to it. It really is Meta-game central. For the record though, this is the first EB mafia I have ever survived It's amazing that people could consider me a dangerous player without a single survive to my name. To be fair though, when I first playing mafia, I latched onto the known names and targeted them. It really wasn't a good strategy. But, that's how I started out. Hey, I did argue against it at first, but then quickly decided otherwise when you began throwing accusations on me. And then everyone started following you, and I spent the next 5 hours fruitlessly defending myself. As for Kiel, well, apparently our plan didn't quite succeed there. Looking back, I don't think you would've been converted anyway. Self-protective independents are porbably the least likely people to be able to be. It would've been a good plan, though, you were leading most of the townies. Not blindly, but you were pretty much calling the shots there. You don't survive much, but that's because you play so aggresively. We would've bombed Baritones had you not led us there.
def Posted December 11, 2011 Posted December 11, 2011 Well, I finished with the Writeboard, and it was a thoroughly hilarious read :roflmao: Scorpiox, I wasn't offended one bit. You have to consider that I was able to sniff out the scum, and you called me an idiot over and over again, while complaining about my behavior in thread. From my point of view, it is a misunderstanding of the word idiot; I had a solid strategy, and that doesn't make me an idiot. Your cursing me out in the writeboard and in thread on your final day just makes your complaints seem hypocritical. You think I'm offensive, and resolve it by calling me names in private and public. I have no problem with you calling me an idiot, but doing that combined with decrying my manners is more than a little ridiculous. You and Nightshroud hating on me there doesn't upset me because, even as EB users, I don't know you at all. This was my first encounter with you. If I had a relationship with you, even just a few games, I'd take your words more seriously. I don't think I was egotistical at all. The Creeper was, but I wasn't. Your writeboard mentioned my name more than anyone else, so that was you guys, and you need to take some responsibility for that. You made me out to be a bogeyman, and I was happy to fulfill the role for you I am really confident that if you had recruited me night one that you would have loved me I hope you guys stick around and that ten games from now you can laugh about how megablocking pissed off you were during the Gotham Mafia Game. I'm sure you'll be a lot harder to rattle in your next game. And yes, Rumblestrike, the mafia school comment was not called for. You were in a rough position that day. I don't think your lie was very good, but no matter what you said, I wasn't going to believe you. I think you'll do better next time too About the "Scum or dumb" thing... It's not meant to say people are literally stupid. But I genuinely can't fathom some town statements that come up over and over again in these games. On day one, people are asking for evidence. Evidence is not there, and the repeated requests for it are, in a word, inane. Asking in thread for leads... Calling everyone sheep when they have real accusations they are following... To me, this isn't good playing. It's very repetitive and without strategy, unless your strategy is to be inane. I'd like to see all players step up and have a solid game. Someone like K-Nut, I spoke to him in PM about his participation level, and he understood, with no offense. He was much more active in PMs after that, and better in thread. I think most of the town stepped up quite a bit and improved their play throughout the game. It wasn't 100%, but it was one of the more active games I've seen on EB I was impressed with everyone's play overall, particularly after day three.
Hinckley Posted December 11, 2011 Posted December 11, 2011 Oh. Damn it. That's why I like classic mafias, I can remember the rules. No, you can't. You never read anything.
Nightshroud99 Posted December 11, 2011 Posted December 11, 2011 Congratulations to the town. Now on to my 2 cents. I was unable to kill anyone this game, I was one of the scum killers and kept failing each night. Except when I targeted Baby Face night 3 and was successful, however she was protected. Then I targeted Creeper night 4, but he was protected... I went after you Egghead on night 1 and 2, but failed. My main criticism is exactly what others have stated, it seems that the criminals abilites were a little obvious to people, especially Batman aficionados. But overall I did enjoy the game and how the story unfolded. I also learned alot for my second Mafia game so that is always good. Major thing I learned: get on def's good side and work with him more!
Capt. Redblade Posted December 11, 2011 Posted December 11, 2011 (edited) This was an excellent game, very creative, and thoroughly amusing! As a longtime Bat-fan, I have to say everyone's roleplaying was spot-on. (Now if I can just condition myself to stop posting in this colour! ) And I know how much you're all going to miss my singing voice , so I leave you with this... (You might know this one, Egghead.) Goodbye, so soon, And wasn't that a crime? We know by now that scum know how to die. So here's goodbye, so soon, I've got people to slay. With time so short I'll say so long, And go, So soon, Goodbye. You accused me, I accused you We were like each other's shadows for a while. Now as you see, this (Mafia) game is through So although it hurts, I'll try to smile As I say Goodbye, so soon, And wasn't that a crime? We know by now that scum know how to die. So here's goodbye, so soon, I've got people to slay. With time so short I'll say so long, And go, So soon, Goodbye. Edited December 11, 2011 by Capt. Redblade
def Posted December 11, 2011 Posted December 11, 2011 I was unable to kill anyone this game, I was one of the scum killers and kept failing each night. Except when I targeted Baby Face night 3 and was successful, however she was protected. Then I targeted Creeper night 4, but he was protected... I went after you Egghead on night 1 and 2, but failed. Alopex was also a protector, and he protected me some nights. I asked him to protect Kiel once or twice too. We must have just randomly survived. My night action was to be invincible if I targeted a Criminal, but would die with that Criminal if they died. I lucked into choosing Alopex night one, and kept up the contact with him. So, I was unkillable most nights, but I could be blocked and killed, which is what Alopex was for. I was double unkillable. So I wanted you to target me It's all in hindsight, but you in the future, you should just consider killing random townies, since they are much more likely to be guaranteed, and you had a good chance of taking out someone important to the cause.
CMP Posted December 11, 2011 Posted December 11, 2011 It's all in hindsight, but you in the future, you should just consider killing random townies, since they are much more likely to be guaranteed, and you had a good chance of taking out someone important to the cause. He only had a one in three chance of success, the targets had to be important.
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