Halloween 06: What has scared you the most

[Starwars4J]

So what I first thought you meant by a portal was right ;-)

I've never seen a portal, but I've seen what's in them...if that makes any sense? This is when I meditate, not just walking around :-P

The time anomolies that I mentioned always do happen when I meditate and project myself somewhere though (once 15 minutes turned into 5 hours somehow :-D ) But strangely enough, I thought I was aware of all sounds and goings on around me...

We think we know what this demon thingy is that's in my apartment though. While we knew it was from my ex, we figured out why. Familiar with the concept of guarding dark spirits? I figured that the whole concept of a dark spirit going to someone who caused a person a great amout of personal pain is explained by the fact that it pushes that person to their limit, to the end of their rope, and they give in a little, and it gets out. It's the only reason I can think of why a person's pain woul-great, now I hear a tapping from my bedroom as I type this. SOMEONE is being a very nosy spirit *sad*

Anyway, why else would a dark spirit randomly decide to help someone by punishing their enemies? I don't think it's to turn the original spirit dark, since the original person may never know about it, and go on to lead a perfectly normal life. The only reason I can think of is that they are intrinsicaly bonded to that person in some way, and this must, in some way I can't think of, help to free them completely.

For anyone who doesn't know the story about my ex, here's how it goes:

I met her 4 years ago, and fell in love. She loved another man though, so I put aside my feelings and helped her get together with him (even though he was a total jerk). As things went along, she eventually realized that she loved me, and told me 3 summers ago. She didn't leave the other guy though. Instead she went back and forth between me and him (lying about me most of the time TO him). She'd "go out" with me, and break up with me say...2-3 times a week (very emotionally draining for me). Finally she chose to be with me just over a year ago. Keep in mind, many of you don't know me, but I pride myself on being a loving boyfriend. I'd always tell her I loved her, make her feel special, buy her whatever she wanted, do little surprises for her, etc. The works! She would always say how much she loved me (but only when I asked...) and how she didn't deserve me, and how bad she felt for being a total [censored] to me all those years. So what does she do? She never did anything for me, and then summer '06 she cheated on me with some other guy. Broke up with me (e-mail, didn't even have the guts to tell me in person), and dated him for a month. During this time she badmouthed me like you couldn't believe. Then she decided he wasn't what she wanted, and came back to me. I don't know why, I really don't, but I took her back. Just like I did all those other times when she would go back and forth between me and the other guy. She always did insult me too...

Anyway, so she came back, and cried about how she'd never do it again because it messed up her whole life! Then...a month and a half after we got back together, I got another e-mail telling me to [censored] off, because I should never have wanted affection, how I should've just been grateful to have been going out with her, and to want AFFECTION was pretty much crazy. Her friends convinced her of this by the way. That she was perfect and wonderful, and didn't need to so much as be nice to me |-/

So that brings us to now. I haven't talked to her in two months (since the breakup), and I've made it very clear to EVERYONE (her included) that I never will so much as even talk to her again. I find out that she has been drawing (she's an artist) pictures of me getting disemboweled...nice, eh? In my dreams, and in meditation, however, she has tried to contact me. However, I've made it very clear that I'm not going to talk to her, even on the spiritual level (she is also fairly gifted in that area, though she's a fairly young soul in comparison. We've always had a strong psychic connection though, from the day we met. However I severed it, which is what I believe caused this pain, and was about the time the dark soul started coming around).

So yeah, sorry for the long story, but how else would you guys get the full effect? Yes, this dark soul is basically the hatred of my ex girlfriend who used up one chance too many, and is now pissed at me (though really herself) about it. Her best friend confirmed just about all of this for me (she's slightly more loyal to me)

Oddest relationship in EB history? I'd bet so :-| :-P

[JINZONINGEN73]

The girl sounds bipolar, or schizophrenic.

You're adding too much of a human touch to this story though.

You're placing humans too high on the food chain, control-wise.

She's not being "helped" by something dark. She (likely) consciously accessed a nastier place and merely let things through that shouldn't be allowed to.

And needless to say, not only are you being bothered, but she's being anything but "helped".

Pictures of you being disemboweled?

Power is emotion. Your power, their power... emotion and willful intent.

You're being mentally exhausted to decrease your will.

She's having a dark side of her fed, until inevitably she doesn't have anything better to go back to.

There's no "guardian" anything going on, just the dark doing what the dark does. Making more.

Ouija boards, gifted people who are confused... same thing. Both access points. Feet stuck in the door to let bad things enter through.

: /

There's no happy ending to this story, nor likely will there be. It's all damage control from here on in.

[Starwars4J]

I mean I respect you (obviously), but more than a few of the people I know who are...knowledgable about this have said the same thing as I posted, which is the only reason I posted it :-P You see, it's 4AM, I have an exam tomorrow, and there's a LARGE possibility I wasn't explaining myself right. I'm not meaning to place humans on any pedistal, and I'm not saying that all humans have this thing inside them. What I am trying to say is that this thing might have been something tied to her, rather than some random darkness that is trying to push her into darkness.

There are other people out there who deserve her scorn, hatred, anger. I'm not one of them. If one of these dark souls truly wanted to turn her dark, wouldn't they have done so by now on one of the people who she had a reason to be mad at? It's easier to make someone go over the edge when they at least have a reason in their own minds backing them up about their actions. With me there is no reason, other than I cut off any links we had left. That really isn't that big of a deal, and I'm really not the one she COULD have gone psycho about.

I'm just saying, if she was going to be enticed by these dark spirits, wouldn't she have been enticed earlier, with a target easier to find than me? I mean the girl isn't really angry at me, it's one of those guilt/anger trips that people take to avoid responsibility.

There's every possibility in the world that you're right about this, about where it came from, but this feels more personal than that. This FEELS personal. I mean this isn't the first time I've dealt with one of these, Jinzo, but this one is different...bah, I'm sorry, sometimes I'm really bad at wording things...but this whole situation is almost impossible to word *wacko* Basically you'd need to feel it for yourself. If you have some free time, feel free to concentrate a bit on it and tell me what you get, maybe I'm too involved to get a clear reading, meh. Though luckily the spirit does seem to be a little more repressed than it was before, but then again I'm feeling my ex is going through another cycle of emotion and is back in denial, so who knows?

I just want to do well on this exam :-P

[ReZourceman]

Seriously interesting stuff guys.

I am writing a comic book with some friends of mine, and the Supernatural element is something Id be very interesting in exploring now.

Ill keep reading, if you keep posting!

[JINZONINGEN73]

here are other people out there who deserve her scorn, hatred, anger. I'm not one of them. If one of these dark souls truly wanted to turn her dark, wouldn't they have done so by now on one of the people who she had a reason to be mad at? It's easier to make someone go over the edge when they at least have a reason in their own minds backing them up about their actions. With me there is no reason, other than I cut off any links we had left.

You're not the same as the others though. And she's not the real target. ;-)

You've said yourself, you are able to see things others don't. Show me a person like yourself who doesn't inevitably run into something like this eventually. You're not the first person I've bumped into talking about such things.

What I am trying to say is that this thing might have been something tied to her, rather than some random darkness that is trying to push her into darkness.

Right. She's the way to you.

Though tapping into her still, even after entrance isn't exactly undesirable.

She's made drawings of you suffering. Perhaps it's common mental illness, or perhaps she let herself open too far (possibly both).

I've encountered people wanting to do me harm, who've given in to things larger than themselves. There's nothing too much more scary than that. (Luckily, such events usually ring a few bells. alerting other things designed / that choose to stop such events).

I pity anyone who doesn't understand this abstract stuff & is trying to follow it coherently. :-|

One thing... do you have any illnesses / disabilities?

It seems to be a recurring theme among those like you, almost like a trade-off.

Mental / physical, there always seems to be something.

If you have some free time, feel free to concentrate a bit on it and tell me what you get, maybe I'm too involved to get a clear reading, meh.

This right there saves me (I guess) from the above. I'm not a reader. And "traveling" is SUPER-limited. I have a role in these things that I'm not and shouldn't go into. I also am not one of those who is bugged by visual apparitions like you, my wife and a good few other "strong ones" I know are. I'm not as gifted. However, I've seen plenty in my time and had a decent deal of physical interaction. While it sounds like I just said I'm talking about stuff I don't know about personally, it's very far from the truth. I'm just leaving it at I'm something different from you and the rest of the hyper sensitive.

This FEELS personal. I mean this isn't the first time I've dealt with one of these, Jinzo, but this one is different...bah, I'm sorry, sometimes I'm really bad at wording things...but this whole situation is almost impossible to word wacko.gif Basically you'd need to feel it for yourself.

I have. And describing how I avoided not being alive anymore a few times is junk that even makes me go "This is some crazy crap lol"... even though I'm the one recounting it. :-D

Just take a peek at my diagram above. Put the person on the left as a truck, me in the bubble, and noone else there to help on the right. The setting is a loooong stretch of road and the time almost exactly 11pm. That's just one description of a few. Some similar in design, some not... but all related to me having external help.

I can only imagine what things must have looked like visually for the people in the truck.

I know from my perspective, the vehicle sounded like a roaring lion, the engine's sound overlapping on itself many times over while also being slowed down. Likewise, seeing a truck madly swerve to one side, but then watching the chassis not upright itself for a few seconds. Amazing stuff.

I am writing a comic book with some friends of mine, and the Supernatural element is something Id be very interesting in exploring now.

I don't think any of this works very well as a comic book. Too much emotion and non-tangible characters.

And really, we're talking extreme cases here. The "supernatural" is usually "odd", but more or less anti-climactic and boring.

Edited October 12, 2006 by JINZONINGEN 73

[ReZourceman]

No, I didnt mean to use this exact example in the comic book, just the supernatural subject matter.

Although, I must strongly disagree with ;

"Too much emotion"

A comic book can never have too much emotion. It makes you feel the characters which is actually one of the most important things.

[Starwars4J]

One thing... do you have any illnesses / disabilities?

It seems to be a recurring theme among those like you, almost like a trade-off.

Mental / physical, there always seems to be something.

Actually no, I may not be the best looking guy around, but I'm managing to hold down being a senior in my University (Johns Hopkins) fine :-D I did go through some things when I was younger though (being abused by my father and his side of the family), so maybe that's a trade-off? I really don't know, but thankfully I've been blessed with never being sick for long :-) Though I do know a friend of mine who's pretty good at reading auras and the like who has severe physical illnesses :-/

As for the rest...it's unfortunate. I mean my ex was always a weird one, even when we broke up she said "I'll probably get back together with you in two years, but if I date anyone in that time I don't want to hear a word about it when we do!" (sorry, not happening), and...well, she's always been very clingy and tried very hard not to be clingy (usually with anger), so I just assumed this whole thing was an effect of her being upset that I made a separation between us. But what you say makes sense about her being pushed to her limit with this emotionally which left her vulnerable for the darker spirits.

It's nice talking to someone a little older who has had more experience with this stuff in this life. The more experiences you have to draw from (including those of friends), the more complete the picture gets, though I'm sure that we'll never get 1/10 of the way to getting the whole picture, and probably nothing we say is 100% right ;-)

[natelite]

for me it's work that scares me the most. when i can't sleep, it's usually about my day job. :-/ great dreams would be having a buy 2 get 1 free lego sale :-D

[Wobo Ihi]

Does this count? Spooky...

[Kynok]

Actually no, I may not be the best looking guy around, but I'm managing to hold down being a senior in my University (Johns Hopkins) fine :-D I did go through some things when I was younger though (being abused by my father and his side of the family), so maybe that's a trade-off? I really don't know, but thankfully I've been blessed with never being sick for long :-) Though I do know a friend of mine who's pretty good at reading auras and the like who has severe physical illnesses :-/

Didn't you say you were cut by a knife when you were a kid? Did it leave a bad scar? Mabey its not exactlly an 'illness', but it's something...

-Kynok

[JINZONINGEN73]

Does this count? Spooky...

Good example.

Though I do know a friend of mine who's pretty good at reading auras and the like who has severe physical illnesses sceptic.gif

There we go. Unfortunate, but expected.

The more experiences you have to draw from (including those of friends), the more complete the picture gets, though I'm sure that we'll never get 1/10 of the way to getting the whole picture, and probably nothing we say is 100% right blink.gif

Egads no. Yeah, it starts out as fun. Then something drastic happens. You get past it. You learn a bunch of new stuff... but it just keeps going.

Every time you learn something new, more questions arise. After a certain point, this stuff is just exhausting. And you have to repeat yourself so often, every time someone new (like you for instance) appears, so the bits and pieces THEY have can be integrated.

It's like learning a new language with dozens of different teachers and no definitive textbooks.

These days, I just stop talking about it all when my head starts to hurt. I think that's also because I have a short attention span at times and I don't hear as many new things as before. I do find satisfaction in meeting new people who just happen to have identical, specific points that are abstrct enough that they're not just some stupid kid who read it in a book or saw it in a movie. :-P

[Starwars4J]

Well I'm back from the worst day ever. My sock tore while I was running to class, which left a large chunk of skin missing from my right foot. Then later in lab a round-bottom flask cut exactly in half twice (at the neck of the flash, and the middle) for no apparent reason, and when I was cleaning it up, I somehow got jabbed with a hot sharp edge right into my arm that didn't bleed (probably due to the head of the glass).

So today's going well so far *wacko*

Anyway, my friend who is 19 is severely sick, so it makes sense with what you're saying. And I agree, Jinzo. Part of me wants to know how things really are, but another part knows that I never can or will know it all while alive, so I'm just content with knowing what I do know now, and waiting till I'm back on the other side till I remember

Sometimes it is frustrating though, especially when you're feeling what someone else is feeling, and don't know who it is :-X That's also been happening for the last month or so.

[JINZONINGEN73]

Sometimes it is frustrating though, especially when you're feeling what someone else is feeling, and don't know who it is sick.gif That's also been happening for the last month or so.

Hahahaha, oh MAN do I know what you're describing. I remember when I was single, sometimes I'd get home from work at like 9 in the morning after 10 or 11 hours in "the vault"... and I'd be dead tired beyond words.

I'd lay down and start to fall asleep, but then stand up looking around because it was like I ws being pointed in a direction.

And as strong as it was, it ws ridiculously frustrating, because after a few minutes of latching on to the emotion, you just go, "I can't do ANYTHING with only THIS!" ...and then having to use effort to ditch the train of thought so you can get back to you.

I still get it from time to time, but it's RARE.

If you have a high level of patience for walls o' text, some of the stuff I'm talking about (as well as what was JUST talked about) is in this IM from some time around November 2004.

The other person is my cousin Kim, known briefly in the Lego world as Hypermecha.

(Her gallery here: http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?m=HYPERMECHA)

She's around 5 years older than me, and often sick. To say there's not a psychic bond, in the cheesiest way of scifi cliche's, would be false.

Anyway,

http://files.zenixstudios.com/623dim.txt

Bad language ahoy.

[WesternOutlaw]

I remember hearing the story, Boogey Man by Steven King. Very spooky story. A man is seeing a psychiatrist because his children and wife died (as I recall), and he's telling the story of how the Boogey Man did it (leading up to how his youngest child had warned him about the Boogey Man in the closet. He never believed the children thinking they were just scared to sleep by themselves. After telling the psychiatrist the story, he was told to go to the front desk and set up another appointment. He did and there was no one at the desk. He went back to see the psychiatrist only to find him gone as well. You could guess the ending, but a great story!

[Starwars4J]

The one thing that strikes me about you two is that you seem to go about everything in a very systematic, scientific approach when it comes to this stuff. When I talk about this, and think about it, I don't think of a universe with rules, I just go by whatever "feels" right to me. Call me crazy, but sometimes rules are like blinders on a horse :-P

It sounds like you two have some very interesting conversations though, I'd love to be a fly on the wall for some of them. Interesting that you married into this sort of thing, too. I guess some people can't escape their fate, eh? ;-) If I ever run into you at an EB event we'll have to have a nice convo :-D

As for the cats...eh, you know as well as I do that animals and children are more in tune with the spiritual side than adults, so it wouldn't take any great influence to lure them away. A witch though? I'd really be interested in hearing more of the story

[JINZONINGEN73]

I don't think there is more to the story lol.

Like I said, the "supernatural" is usually just odd, almost boring and anti-climactic.

The one thing that strikes me about you two is that you seem to go about everything in a very systematic, scientific approach when it comes to this stuff.

It's science... just not one understood yet. EVerything is just energy.

I think it's being disrespectful to truth when a scientific approach isn't used.

Copy and pasted from another site, another time:

Since I can't talk of my present or future, I'll talk about the past.

The earliest events I remember were WAY back, before I knew the alphabet or went to school.

I'd be there at home in the morning, watching Sesame Street, but also turning around to see big, black, seethrough, shadowy blobs blobbing around on the floor at the back of the livingroom.

I'd sit there watching them crawl over top each other.

I wasn't afraid, because I wasn't aware that one was supposed to be yet.

It wasn't a play of light or anything like that. And it was in the early hours of the morning, even a few hours after the sun had come up. They never moved into the sunlight though.

Over time, for no apparent reason, I became a kid very scared of the dark. I could feel presences and that freaked me out pretty well. Had I not CONCENTRATED on blocking things, I'm sure I would have seen more.

Right before my teen years, I'd gotten a little less afraid of the dark, but then I started seeing more.

I saw what we all here call "shadow creatures". Those bastards that are in the corner of your eye, but zip away as you go to face them. But not always, do they?

I was at the bottom of the stairs, looked up, and there this QUITE humanoid form runs from my room and into my parent's room. I see this a few times.

I also am at the top of the stairs, and disturb some skunklike shadow creature, as it goes running down the stairs.

I asked my mom about these and she said, "You see them too?"

Now... here's where I get pissed off.

To me, I describe them as they are.

Shadow creatures that run away when you see them.

To her... "they must be demons and up to no good."

Why. Seriously. megablocking why?

Oh. That's right. She's religious. >_<

THIS is one of the reasons I can't stand religion. Not just blind faith but blind science.

[Starwars4J]

Well, I mean it's normal for children to see spirits, often times that's what a child's "imaginary friend" is ;-)

As for science though..you said the supernatural is science, just one that can't be explained yet. Well, why? What is science to you? When you go into the supernatural, areas of religious belief...well...there are some things that defy science, even science we won't know for thousands of years. That's one of the truths I've had to accept, that I'll never be able to understand it all while alive because...well, there is no explanation for it all, at least not one based in molecules and energy

[JINZONINGEN73]

the supernatural is science, just one that can't be explained yet. Well, why?

...well, there is no explanation for it all, at least not one based in molecules and energy

Energy, yes. But not the same, recordable forms of energy we delve into now, though they can and do interact with the understood forms.

It's going to take a looooong time.

With any luck, nanite technology will swoop down just in time to extend our lives inorganically, long enough to see it.

Doubtful, but oh well. What else is new.

When you go into the supernatural, areas of religious belief...well...there are some things that defy science, even science we won't know for thousands of years.

They defy known science, but that doesn't warrant a religious approach.

To tilt things more in your argument though, there are intelligences which intervene non-stop out of duty and common sense, muddying the fully scientific approach a bit. :-D

Further confusion arises from the fact some entities believe in religion and react to it's name. :-|

People are people, dead or alive.

And yet even more confusion is the source of one's... uh... "will of intent".

A religious person thinking he's carrying the shield of god and bellowing, "In the name of jesus christ, I ORDER you to..." blah blah blah... emotion.

Heavy intent and emotion. Power. But not everyone creates that power in the name of a diety.

Of course, there's strong and weak on both sides of that. A religious person who wavers in his faith is not as effective as a non-religious person with a good head on their shoulders.

But a strong religious person with no hidden feelings of intellectual dishonesty hiding inside them would be stronger than an unmotivated non-religious person.

Me, I choose the non-religious. As long as you know who you are, know what you want, and know what's considerate & good for you, those around you and those that will come in the future... where would weakness enter?

It's the choice of being a searing blade or a butter knife.

Edited October 13, 2006 by JINZONINGEN 73

[Starwars4J]

Well, I guess it's a matter of being able to separate religion from organized religion ;-) I see it as whatever you believe in is your "religion". Mine don't coincide with any one religion, but maybe with us it's a matter of calling the same thing by two different names

[WesternOutlaw]

I remember hearing the story, Boogey Man by Steven King. Very spooky story. A man is seeing a psychiatrist because his children and wife died (as I recall), and he's telling the story of how the Boogey Man did it (leading up to how his youngest child had warned him about the Boogey Man in the closet. He never believed the children thinking they were just scared to sleep by themselves. After telling the psychiatrist the story, he was told to go to the front desk and set up another appointment. He did and there was no one at the desk. He went back to see the psychiatrist only to find him gone as well. You could guess the ending, but a great story!

Well, I didn't mean to interrupt the conversation, but rather share some other spooky things... Don't mind me though, just go on about your conversation... ;-)

[Chuck]

Carebears.

Definatly the route of all EVIL.

-l2k-

[WesternOutlaw]

We need more stories about those spooky places between your home and your school or friend's house. These are stories that create goosebumps.

[ghoulrealm]

I don't know if it means anything in particular, but the ouiji board never works when I touch it, even with someone else who it was working for. I think it's a good thing actually. Maybe I'm a ghost repellent, or I think is more likely I don't have an exoexpressive subconscience.

[chewie]

Well, this isn't terribly scary at all, but has more to do with supernatural and being able to seperate your mind from your body.

Both me and my and my dad have always been kind of interested in spirits. We've both read a book about how during the Cold War the Russians develpoed remote viewing, where they could seperate their mind from their body and see things thousands of miles away.

long story short, some times when I'm lying awake in bed, and I close my eyes, I get the feeling that my mind is just "leaving" me, but when I think about it comes back.

Aswell, when I close my eyes, I can see some what of an ora around objects. Maybe its just because I had just seen that object and can imagine now. I've never really be able to figure it out.

As well, years back my dad had an out of body expierence where he was flying over the highway here and talked to a man who said "Hi my name is ______ I just died" The next day there was a car accident and a guy had died.

I also totally agree that there are other forces out and around us.

Chewie

[Starwars4J]

Well, this isn't terribly scary at all, but has more to do with supernatural and being able to seperate your mind from your body.

Both me and my and my dad have always been kind of interested in spirits. We've both read a book about how during the Cold War the Russians develpoed remote viewing, where they could seperate their mind from their body and see things thousands of miles away.

long story short, some times when I'm lying awake in bed, and I close my eyes, I get the feeling that my mind is just "leaving" me, but when I think about it comes back.

Aswell, when I close my eyes, I can see some what of an ora around objects. Maybe its just because I had just seen that object and can imagine now. I've never really be able to figure it out.

As well, years back my dad had an out of body expierence where he was flying over the highway here and talked to a man who said "Hi my name is ______ I just died" The next day there was a car accident and a guy had died.

I also totally agree that there are other forces out and around us.

Chewie

That's Astral Projection/Travel. My ex was quite good at it, I never really tried that though...