Legends of Chima TV Series

[Meiko]

The reason for it being so late is most likely because they don't want the TV show to get ahead of the sets, like Ninjago did. I hated seeing Pythor, the Constrictai, the Venomari, Ultra Dragon, and so much else on TV and not being able to get the sets until months later, and I'm sure other kids didn't like that either.

[Gatanui]

Or maybe it's just not done yet.

-Gata

[Good Cragger Fan]

I really hope that I don't have to wait until the summer to see the rest of the Legends of Chima TV series, as I want to find out what will happen to Cragger, such as will he ever break away from the influence of the evil orchid that is hipnotising him into doing Cooler's bidding, stop attacking the Lions and their allies, and be friends again with Laval. I'm saying this for four reasons: one, I think that it is very sad to have two best friends to become sworn enemies; two, sooner or later Worriz the wolf prince (or leader) is very crafty and evil like Crooler is and will eventually betray Cragger anyway (Worriz hates Laval, and since Laval and Cragger were best friends, Worriz historically didn't care for Cragger either); third, the second episode ended on a very bad cliffhanger with no resolution of any kind unlike the ending of the second episode of Ninjago, and we have to wat five or six months to find find out what happens next; and four, the most imortant one of all, I can't stop thinking about Legends of Chima in regards to Laval and Cragger's friendship (I even have dreams about Laval and Cragger and other character in the Legends of Chima TV series). Therefore, I am really mad and upset in how Cartoon Network, Will Films and LEGO have handled this. I really like half-human, half-reptile characters in cartoons and like to cheer them on in a battle or war, but I want the good characters to win in the end, so I really want either of two things to happen: one Cragger turns good again before to long, or LEGO comes up with a brand new repitle tribe like Dragons or Alligators who one the side of good and are heros, like Laval is now.

[PenPlays]

You will have to be patient, Summer is the scheduled release.

My responses on your points.

One: Dying friendships is sad, but aren't we adults who can handle such situations without bringing them up?

Second: Worriz does have a hatred for Laval, but I do not see how that would affect his feelings of Cragger.

Third:The Cliffhanger was actually quite good, and it was quite resolved. It left me excited about what was going to happen next. Will there be a new battle? A new Legend Beast? Will the Rhino, Bear, Skunk, Fox, or Beaver tribes get involved? The second episode of Ninjago (King of Shadows?) ended in an excellent cliffhanger, but how long did we wait for the official beginning of Season 1? One whole year. Double the maximum amount of time it will take for LoC to begin again.

Fourth... Have you read the age limit here? I wouldn't think an adult would share about Lego dreams out of the blue. (although I am sure we all have had some).

AND FIFTH!: The release date is smart, and was obviously a collaborative effort between Cartoon Network and Lego for promotion. They want to wait until the entire Legends of Chima theme is fully available so that kids can buy their favorite sets in the series from the get go. Not to mention that they will have the entire 2013 line to choose from after watching the show. If Lego creates a theme with a corresponding TV show, don't you think that they have to consider the most profitable route?

I will say that your opinion on Anthropomorphic Reptiles is very valid here, and it would be nice to see how the good guys win. You also never know what the future will bring. Cragger might join with the good side. It just depends on how the story is written.

Edited February 27, 2013 by Penkid11

[Tobias_Jay]

The reason for it being so late is most likely because they don't want the TV show to get ahead of the sets, like Ninjago did. I hated seeing Pythor, the Constrictai, the Venomari, Ultra Dragon, and so much else on TV and not being able to get the sets until months later, and I'm sure other kids didn't like that either.

Well they have already shown the Lion Temple, Gorillas, Rhinos, Skunks and Bears.

I doubt that Cragger will go good, he is essentially the main villan. If he does however, I can easily see Crooler taking over. But one Croc on the good side and then Crooler either taking over the Crocodile tribe or staying with the Wolves and Ravens with Cragger still leading the Crocodile tribe, just doesn't feel right. I think either Crominus and Crunket will escape the gorge and exile Crooler, or they will kill her off, but that doesn't seem likely.

[Kai NRG]

I think Cragger will go good, just not until the end. Come on, it's the typical main-bad-guy-turned-bad-against-his-will-but-still-sort-of-likes-his-enemies-and-at-the-end-the-real-evil-ones-will-be-destroyed-and-he'll-be-good-again thing we saw with Lord Garmadon in Ninjago. But of course it wouldn't make sense for him to turn good anytime soon, and I doubt Crooler has the influence to rule the Croc tribe while Cragger is alive - if Cragger were to go good, the Crocs would follow.

[DraikNova]

I'm pretty sure Crooler will have the worst fate at the end. I have a feeling Crominus and Crunket will return, figure out what happened and cause serious problems for Croolers plans.

[Meiko]

I can't wait to see epic battles with Legends Beasts from all the species.

[Good Cragger Fan]

In Regarding Penkid 11's post:

First and formost, I really think that Ninjago's second episode "King of Shadows" has a much better ending and/or cliffhanger (actually not much of a cliffhanger, since Lord Garmaddon was banished out of Ninjago and the Undead Skeleton Warriors were more or less defeated (Samukai was already distroyed by the four Golden Weapons) and never attacked the ninja again in future episodes), while in Legends of Chima, Cragger and the rest of the Crocodlie Tribe (except Crominus and Crunket, who are still trapped in the cave) just merely retreated from the battle, since tthey were no match for Laval -- since he had his first taste of Chi and was all-powerful at that time, but none of the Crocodlies were under the influence of Chi at that moment in time -- and the Lion Legend Beast was too powerful for Cragger even when he did have Laval's Chi in his possesion. Thus, I think that if LEGO and Cartoon Network were planning for this all along, then I really think they should of not shown the first two episodes until maybe a month before the rest of the series gets aired at the earliest. In addition, for the Ninjago TV series, I researched on when the first regular episodes aired (at least on Cartoon Network in the US), which was on about December 2, 2011, and then only about five weeks later the rest of the episodes started airing, which was about January 11, 2012. Because of this and how the second episode of the Legends of Chima TV ended, I think, in my humble opinon, that the first two episodes of Legends of Chima are actually part of season one and not just a pilot season like the first two episodes of Ninjago was back

then.

Second, some of the Legends of Chima sets are released way too early on. I'm referring to sets such as the Cragger's Command Ship set, since why is Crominus even on Cragger's Command Ship when he is still trapped in that cave? Also, some of the characters and machines are shown in the first two episodes way before their toy counterparts are released, such as the Goriila Tribe and the Gorilla Striker, the Rhinoceros Tribe, the Bear Tribe, Skinnet from the Skunk Tribe and Crominus' Crocodlie Tank. Therefore, they either released the first two episodes way too early, or they should of held back certain sets like Cragger's Command Ship and replaced it with a different one, because, as of right now, they revealed too much of the plot of the TV series in some of the sets, and we have to wait a long time before we will get our hands on any of the Gorilla, Rhinoceros, Skunk or Bear Tribe minifigures, some not until next year.

Third, I can assure you that I'm way older than 18 (I'm in my 30's), and one can never be too old to share their LEGO dreams.

In regarding to Kai NRG's post:

I, reluctantly, agree with you on the fact that Cragger might not turn good until the very last episode of the Legends of Chima TV series. (This is my gut feeling in how LEGO and Will Films will treat Cragger's personality.) This is because, on the LEGO Legends of Chima sets' boxes, all the Crocodlie tribe members have a red background, which implies that they are all villians, as apposed to any of them in having a blue background, like all the Lion tribe members have there. Also, is Crominus, or Crunket for that matter, a villain or will become a villain (Crominus and Crunket have not done any evil deeds yet)? This is why I feel very strongly that LEGO must release a good reptile tribe like Dragons or Alligators who on the Lions' side, as a true conterpart to the Crocodile tribe. (The Lion tribe should also have an enemy tribe that is in the feline family of animals, such as tigers, as their true conterpart) I'm saying this because, us asumming that the Fox tribe is on the Lions' side who are fighting against the Wolf tribe and both the Wolves and Foxes are canines, we already have two bird tribes, one good and one bad, which are the Eagles and the Ravens, respectively, and each animal family should have two animal tribes that represented in the Legends of Chima world, one being good and one being bad in alighnment, to keep the balance. Furthermore, as of right now, we only have one tribe that feels at home underwater and thus no other tribe that currently exists or is known can stand a chance against them in a battle, and that tribe is the Crocodlie tribe, so how can the good characters win when none of them can fight effectively underwater? I'm saying this because, as of right now, the story won't be that interesting because the good tribes don't have a fighting chance to battle the Crocodlie tribe underwater, especially in or near the Crocodlie Lair, and we know that the good characters must always win in the end, so how about LEGO coming up with an Alligator or Turtle tribe that is on the good tribes side that can fight effectively underwatwer?

I'm sorry if this is a long post, but I have to let my feelings out.

[PenPlays]

@Good Cragger Fan I must apologize for my behavior in my previous post. I was very cranky at the time I was writing, and it seems that a bit of it rubbed off in my typing. I guess I felt that you had jumped to conclusions too prematurely, but by the looks of your most recent post here, they have been well thought out, and again I would like to apologize for my assumptions. I will say though that I never said anything about these two first episodes of LoC being a pilot season, I was referring specifically to Ninjago (I thought I'd quickly point that out ).

Also, Lego produces several sets that include features from outside of the show canon. The inclusion of Crominus was just for the sake of releasing him in a set, and why not one with a bunch of other Crocs? Lego also tends to make Crominus look like one of Cragger's lackeys in some of their media, so there is another reason.

Let's discuss the LoC sets in the Action Themes forum, since this is the show thread for now (the threads have to stay on topic, and other stuff like that ).

[Kai NRG]

@GCF (hope you don't mind the abbreviation), I wouldn't exactly say that Crominus and Crunket haven't done anything evil... maybe not technically speaking, but they were ready to go to war against the lions with the vaguest of excuses, and the entire conversation with Lagravis after Craggers first taste of Chi betrayed the fact that they submitted to the lions simply because they didn't think they had any choice.

[Garmadon]

Yes, not nessecarily proven guilty, but certainly not seeming particularly good. However, the fact that they didn't want Craggers to blame the lions or listen to his sister says that, when they get out of the hole, Crooler will probably have some trouble. Really, I don't particularly know why Crooler hates the lions, it would be nice if Lego cleared that up. Also, about the idea that all tribes should have a counterpart, how about the Gorrillas, Rhinos, Bears, and Beavers (or hedgehogs, whichever you like)? I think that it isn't too unprobably that TLG thought that Ravens and Wolves and Crocs (no offence) seemed like better bad guys then, say tigers or aligators or something like that.

[CM4Sci]

Newest CLUB Magazine says there's another hour special on the 27th at 6 PM Central

-Sci

Edited March 2, 2013 by CM4S

[Garmadon]

Newest CLUB Magazine says there's another hour special on the 27th at 6 PM Central

-Sci

27th of March?

Well, that is rather surprising, since everyone was saying it was going to be in June.

But not unlikely, especially with the Walmart preview in mind:

I wouldn't have thought they would do that aa whole 6 months earlier.

[just2good]

It doesn't say that it's an hour special, but rather an hour and a half special!

I hope it isn't episodes 1-3 but rather 3-5...

[DraikNova]

Sounds awesome!

[PenPlays]

Hour-and-a-half!?!

Extatic!!!

Can anyone scan a picture?

[Good Cragger Fan]

Yes, not nessecarily proven guilty, but certainly not seeming particularly good. However, the fact that they didn't want Craggers to blame the lions or listen to his sister says that, when they get out of the hole, Crooler will probably have some trouble. Really, I don't particularly know why Crooler hates the lions, it would be nice if Lego cleared that up. Also, about the idea that all tribes should have a counterpart, how about the Gorrillas, Rhinos, Bears, and Beavers (or hedgehogs, whichever you like)? I think that it isn't too unprobably that TLG thought that Ravens and Wolves and Crocs (no offence) seemed like better bad guys then, say tigers or aligators or something like that.

This is why Alligators would be THE ideal canidate for a heroic underwater reptile tribe, rather than any of the Crocodile tribe members fighting against other members of the Crocodile tribe, to couterpart the ENTIRE so-called and/or supposed "evil/bad" Crocodile tribe -- although I read somewhere online (I think it was at the Numburg Toy Fair) that someone who works for LEGO said that when they did focus test groups (they might be done in Germany, but i'm not sure about that) that involved children, said that Crocodiles are awesome, but Alligators are not awesome (why would the children think and say that, since I think that they are both equally awesome, even when I was a child?), which is a REAL shame and a MAJOR letdown (in my opinon), since this means that we may never get an Alligator tribe in the Lagends of Chima story. Also, as for having the Gorillas, Rhinoceroses, Bears and Beavers/Hedghogs in having counterparts as enimies: the Gorillas could have monkeys, chimpanzees, or more likely, Orangatangs as their couterparts; the Bears could have Pandas as their couterparts, since Pandas are technically not bears but look a lot like them; the Rhinoceroses could use Triceratopses as the 'Dinosaur' tribe that are enemies with the Rhinoceroses (though LEGO might not go for only ONE example of a dinosaur that represents ALL dinosaurs in the world of Chima, since there are so many different kinds of dinosaurs in real life (ableit millions of years ago into the past), them including but not limited to, meat-eating and plant-eating dinosaurs); but I'm not sure about Beavers/Hedgehogs -- especially if they really are hedgehogs, which they look like to me in the preview of the LEGOLAND California 4D film -- since I can't think of a real world or even mythical animal that is similar to a hedgehog but is considered a different animal. Plus, we MUST have at least ONE underwater tribe that is on the good side of the war, otherwise, it would be extremely difficult for ANY of the good tribes -- never mind Laval and the other Lions -- to even hope in succeeding in sneaking into the Crocodiles lair unnoticed to confront Cragger (and especially Crooler), if not downright impossible to do so.

CM4S, I would like to say thanks for this information, as I won't have to wait nearly as long for the next episode (or two or three episodes) to be aired on TV (and hopefully uploaded to Youtube or something similar to it, as I live in Canada and don't even get the Canadian version of Cartoon Network, never mind the US version -- and I don't know when these episodes will be aired on Teletoon, so does anyone know when they will be shown on Teletoon in Canada?). However, a LEGO Brand Store Manager told me this when I visted the store last night, and he told me that the rest of the episodes after the ones that will be shown in late March won't be shown until the Summer.

Edited March 4, 2013 by Good Cragger Fan

[DraikNova]

You can see the beaver tails in the 4D movie.

[Garmadon]

This is why Alligators would be THE ideal canidate for a heroic underwater reptile tribe, rather than any of the Crocodile tribe members fighting against other members of the Crocodile tribe, to couterpart the ENTIRE so-called and/or supposed "evil/bad" Crocodile tribe -- although I read somewhere online (I think it was at the Numburg Toy Fair) that someone who works for LEGO said that when they did focus test groups (they might be done in Germany, but i'm not sure about that) that involved children, said that Crocodiles are awesome, but Alligators are not awesome (why would the children think and say that, since I think that they are both equally awesome, even when I was a child?), which is a REAL shame and a MAJOR letdown (in my opinon), since this means that we may never get an Alligator tribe in the Lagends of Chima story. Also, as for having the Gorillas, Rhinoceroses, Bears and Beavers/Hedghogs in having counterparts as enimies: the Gorillas could have monkeys, chimpanzees, or more likely, Orangatangs as their couterparts; the Bears could have Pandas as their couterparts, since Pandas are technically not bears but look a lot like them; the Rhinoceroses could use Triceratopses as the 'Dinosaur' tribe that are enemies with the Rhinoceroses (though LEGO might not go for only ONE example of a dinosaur that represents ALL dinosaurs in the world of Chima, since there are so many different kinds of dinosaurs in real life (ableit millions of years ago into the past), them including but not limited to, meat-eating and plant-eating dinosaurs); but I'm not sure about Beavers/Hedgehogs -- especially if they really are hedgehogs, which they look like to me in the preview of the LEGOLAND California 4D film -- since I can't think of a real world or even mythical animal that is similar to a hedgehog but is considered a different animal. Plus, we MUST have at least ONE underwater tribe that is on the good side of the war, otherwise, it would be extremely difficult for ANY of the good tribes -- never mind Laval and the other Lions -- to even hope in succeeding in sneaking into the Crocodiles lair unnoticed to confront Cragger (and especially Crooler), if not downright impossible to do so.

Well, you know, my point wasn't that Lego couldn't make counterparts for all of the animals if they wanted to,

just that they havn't, at least not so far, so if I were you I couldn't really expect it.

[Meiko]

Picture:

[Good Cragger Fan]

Well, you know, my point wasn't that Lego couldn't make counterparts for all of the animals if they wanted to,

just that they havn't, at least not so far, so if I were you I couldn't really expect it.

This is why I think that LEGO cares less about morality in terms of racism and figuratively paint all of a certain thing with the same brush, so to speak, than they used to, say back in the 1980's. (You can just look at the uproar that the German (or Austrian) Turkish community had of Jabba's Palace in protraying all Muslims and/or Middle Easterners as criminals and/or terrorists). Therefore, I think that the LEGO Group is not as accountable to their customers and fans as they used to be in this aspect (among other things that I won't go into here) -- not for me to mention that we (or children, for that matter) cannot use any of the Crocodlie tribe minifigures as heros/herolines as they are now or even swapping parts around to make them look not evil in character, especially the heads and masks without them looking fake and/or stuipid in how they look there.

[Garmadon]

This is why I think that LEGO cares less about morality in terms of racism and figuratively paint all of a certain thing with the same brush, so to speak, than they used to, say back in the 1980's...

Well, that's on them.

If you don't like their policies, don't buy from them.

[Good Cragger Fan]

True, the theme of drugs on this show is a bit disturbing. But not as disturbing as how sexist this show is. All the women are either inexplicably evil or weak damsel in distress type characters. Ninjago had this issue as well, but at least Nya and Lloyd's mother were strong and skilled fighters and saved the ninjas on several occasions. As Faefrost pointed out, it's much worse in LoC, especially regarding Eris. Those feminists who were complaining about Friends should take a look at these shows.

This is not to mention in how racist (or more precisely, species-ist) this show can be there, such as the mistrust and judging and thus misunderstandings that are happening between the Lions and the Crocodlies, as not all the Crocodlies are actually villains, such as Cragger (he is technically Crooler's pawn after all, since she hipnotised him with that orchid to do her bidding, even though her bidding is, deep down inside of him, against his will) and not all the Lions like to always follow the rules (even Laval bends if not outright breaks the rules once in a while to have some fun and adventure).

However, I don't think that this show is quite as sexist as you say there. This is because we have Crooler as the main bad character (who is a villainess), aside from Worriz and maybe Rawzom and/or Razar, at least in the first two episodes, though Eris' personality could use some improvement.

In regarding to Faefrost's post back in mid-January:

I agree that the Crocodiles are "well fleshed out" in the show, especially in regards to Cragger and Crooler, though I think that Crominus and Crunket could use some more work in fleshing out their personalities. However, I really don't think that Laval is that bad of a character: I certainly don't think that he is a "moron" or acts as though he has a mental "disability" of any kind, and he is not quite a "goody-two-shoes" as you say there, since he broke or at least bend the rules at least once with Cragger when they both snuck into the Lion Temple to see the pool of Chi, even though he is an all-around good character but not to the extreme as you say there. In fact I would say that LaGravis (or maybe Eris) is the closeset thing to a "goody-two-shoes" as you can get in the show. On the other figurative hand, Worriz is about as evil (aside from Crooler) as you can get in the show, but I wonder why he hates Laval so much in the show (aside from the embarrassing defeat at the tournament where they compete for the Golden Chi Orb), so what did Laval do there in the past that made Worriz hate him so much then, regardless of what Laval did to Worriz was justified or not justified there?

Edited March 6, 2013 by Good Cragger Fan

[krystalKING]

So a friend (Dont know if I can trust him) said that episode three will have more emphasis on the Eagles. I couldn't get anymore out of him.

i also ran across an odd piece of trivia, Eris and Crooler are voiced by the same person. (Bethany brown.)