LEGO LotR - general discussion

[Fives]

We've already heard this list, but before is what from a less reliable source. Whether or not TheBrickFan has gotten this info from here or not greatly affects the truth behind this list. If it's true, I'm pleased. But it also looks WAY too much like a fan wish list. Then again, the exclusion of Treebeard and the Balrog seems like something that LEGO would do; leave more iconic scenes out to make space for more action packed battle scenes (Amon Hen instead of Khazad-Dûm).

Out of the list, Amon Hen is the one that makes me the most excited and believe this list the most.

[SMC]

TheBrickFan got the list from "BlackTiger13 on Eurobricks" so the second source is the same as the first one which is just someone who made it all up, we going around in circles, move alone people nothing to see here.

[Blakstone]

Even if the original poster was being truthful (which I strenuously doubt), we know that LEGO has their own CUUSOO process where many sets are design, evaluated, and changes are made. At this point I do not think that LEGO has any finalized sets or a set list for a Summer Lord of the Rings wave. Frankly it is too early and I will remain focused on the upcoming Hobbit wave instead.

[Deathleech]

where have you read there were ONLY 2300 Gondor soldiers in a battle? thats how many came to aid.... the garisson of such bigcity/citadel alone would take a permanent presence of atleast 1.5-2000 troops just to keep the public order and food reservations under control....

Each level had its own ''batallion'' of troops stationed there before the reinforcements arrived.... so its safe to assume there were atleast 4-5.000 troops in there at the start of attack...

Aragorn even says before marching to Black Gate that city (once the reinforcement arrive from South) will be better guarded than before the attack started and they were sitting on 7.000 troops roughly if i recall correctly.

I specifically stated in the film. As you can see here, there were only 2300 Gondor Soldiers TOTAL at the Battle of Pelennor Fields in the film. The book is different (and more believable imo) with the numbers. In the book there were about 9000 Gondor Soldiers total by the end of the battle. In the film there were 200,000 orcs, plus almost 30,000 Haradrim, Easterlings, etc. There were only 8,300 Gondor/Rohan Soldiers. In the book it's a little over 100,000 forces of evil vs about 15,000 forces of good. This is probably a big reason PJ decided to have the Undead come and magically win the battle for the good guys in the film.

Regardless which source you look at though, both have the evil forces VASTLY outnumbering the good guys. That is why I think if Lego does a Gondor Army builder, the Gondor Soldiers in it should be kept to a minimum. If it has 6 minifigures, put 3 max, and preferably 2 as Gondor Soldiers. Right now if you add up all the LotR sets (excluding the Hobbit and polybags) we only have 7 Mordor Orcs, 8 Uruk-hai, and 2 Moria Orcs. That's barely enough to face the 9 characters from the Fellowship and we need a proper orc army builder just as much as anything else right now if you want to stay remotely close to movie or book numbers.

TheBrickFan got the list from "BlackTiger13 on Eurobricks" so the second source is the same as the first one which is just someone who made it all up, we going around in circles, move alone people nothing to see here.

Yup, the list they have is IDENTICAL to what BlackTiger posted. They even say they got it from him on Eurobricks and say they are skeptical if it's real.

[Darth Punk]

Even if the original poster was being truthful (which I strenuously doubt), we know that LEGO has their own CUUSOO process where many sets are design, evaluated, and changes are made. At this point I do not think that LEGO has any finalized sets or a set list for a Summer Lord of the Rings wave. Frankly it is too early and I will remain focused on the upcoming Hobbit wave instead.

Um no. I'm sure they have had a list for a very long time and the sets if not already done are close to being so. It does take time to design, get approval, finalize, build new molds if needed and manufacture these sets. It's not like they are just whipping them out.

[SheepEater]

Right now if you add up all the LotR sets (excluding the Hobbit and polybags) we only have 7 Mordor Orcs, 8 Uruk-hai, and 2 Moria Orcs.

8 uruk-hai?

I counted 12. (11 excluding the polybag)

4 from helm's deep

4 from uruk-hai army

2 from orc forge

1 from uruk-hai polybag

1 from orthanc

Edited October 23, 2013 by SheepEater

[Deathleech]

8 uruk-hai?

I counted 12. (11 excluding the polybag)

4 from helm's deep

4 from uruk-hai army

2 from orc forge

1 from uruk-hai polybag

1 from orthanc

Ya, I forgot the one from Orthanc and the Orc Forge. Orc Forge only has 1 though, not two. It has two sets of White Hand armor but only a single Uruk-hai. I also said excluding polybags since the Uruk-hai one wasn't widely available in a lot of areas. That puts the total at 10 (11 if you DO include the poly).

[Mr Breden]

Ya, I forgot the one from Orthanc and the Orc Forge. Orc Forge only has 1 though, not two. It has two sets of White Hand armor but only a single Uruk-hai. I also said excluding polybags since the Uruk-hai one wasn't widely available in a lot of areas. That puts the total at 10 (11 if you DO include the poly).

What about Lurtz? Or are you only counting unnamed ones?

[Deathleech]

Ya I wasn't counting named characters, just generic army builder types.

[Alcarin]

I specifically stated in the film. As you can see here, there were only 2300 Gondor Soldiers TOTAL at the Battle of Pelennor Fields in the film. The book is different (and more believable imo) with the numbers. In the book there were about 9000 Gondor Soldiers total by the end of the battle. In the film there were 200,000 orcs, plus almost 30,000 Haradrim, Easterlings, etc. There were only 8,300 Gondor/Rohan Soldiers. In the book it's a little over 100,000 forces of evil vs about 15,000 forces of good. This is probably a big reason PJ decided to have the Undead come and magically win the battle for the good guys in the film.

Regardless which source you look at though, both have the evil forces VASTLY outnumbering the good guys. That is why I think if Lego does a Gondor Army builder, the Gondor Soldiers in it should be kept to a minimum. If it has 6 minifigures, put 3 max, and preferably 2 as Gondor Soldiers. Right now if you add up all the LotR sets (excluding the Hobbit and polybags) we only have 7 Mordor Orcs, 8 Uruk-hai, and 2 Moria Orcs. That's barely enough to face the 9 characters from the Fellowship and we need a proper orc army builder just as much as anything else right now if you want to stay remotely close to movie or book numbers.

Well to be honest its pointless to say what is in the film.... We never really see the ''army'' of Gondor in Minas Tirith massed up ..... but its a joke if film really wants us to believe that such a mighty Citadel was defended by 2300 soldiers.... Thats barely enough for the first lvl + a little reserve judging on the size of the city in the film (and books)

Also I can hardly believe that by book there was only 80.000 Orcs..... thats so little..... and so little men of the East aswell.... never seen those numbers mentioned in the books.... it only says that the field was crawling black from them.... and The field was supposed to be pretty big since it gave us info how big it is (reaching the banks of Anduin)....

Anyway It might be true but I am wondering where does it write in the book how many Orcs were in the battle of Pelennor or Minas Tirith?

[Deathleech]

Here is another source with similar numbers listed for the book version. This one doesn't list them so definitively though. I don't recall ever seeing exact numbers in the book except on rare occasion. Usually you have to do the math to figure it out, for example 2000 Rohan died, 4000 marched to Black Gates.. there must have been 6000 total (even though I believe this is one occasion the book specifically states there were over 6000 Rohirrim to begin with at Pelennor Fields). According to the book there were anywhere from 6,000-10,000 Gondor Soldiers when all said and done

In the book there were significantly less orcs at the Battle of Pelennor Fields. It's true there were only 80,000 compared to the 200,000 in the film, but keep in mind at the Black Gates there were another 60-80k orcs in the book where as in the film there were only 10,000. Overall the numbers for the evil forces were pretty similar in both the book and film when all said and done (around 140-160k total in the book vs 210k or so in the film). The only big difference overall is the amount of Gondor Soldiers. In the book there are several thousand more at both battles than in the film.

Really the exact numbers are irrelevant though. In all cases the evil forces out number the good almost 10 to 1 (funny how this is the case with almost all the big LotR battles huh?). If Lego were to do a Gondor Soldier army builder similar to the Mirkwood Elf and Uruk-hai ones then they really shouldn't include more than 2 Gondor Soldiers and a named character. I dunno about others, but I like to keep my armies similar in number to the movie counterparts (hence why I hate the MEA composition of 3 elves and only 2 orcs). If they had 3 Gondor Soldiers and 3 Orcs I would buy significantly less of the sets and just BL all the extra orcs for cheap.

[Alcarin]

Here is another source with similar numbers listed for the book version. This one doesn't list them so definitively though. I don't recall ever seeing exact numbers in the book except on rare occasion. Usually you have to do the math to figure it out, for example 2000 Rohan died, 4000 marched to Black Gates.. there must have been 6000 total (even though I believe this is one occasion the book specifically states there were over 6000 Rohirrim to begin with at Pelennor Fields). According to the book there were anywhere from 6,000-10,000 Gondor Soldiers when all said and done

In the book there were significantly less orcs at the Battle of Pelennor Fields. It's true there were only 80,000 compared to the 200,000 in the film, but keep in mind at the Black Gates there were another 60-80k orcs in the book where as in the film there were only 10,000. Overall the numbers for the evil forces were pretty similar in both the book and film when all said and done (around 140-160k total in the book vs 210k or so in the film). The only big difference overall is the amount of Gondor Soldiers. In the book there are several thousand more at both battles than in the film.

Really the exact numbers are irrelevant though. In all cases the evil forces out number the good almost 10 to 1 (funny how this is the case with almost all the big LotR battles huh?). If Lego were to do a Gondor Soldier army builder similar to the Mirkwood Elf and Uruk-hai ones then they really shouldn't include more than 2 Gondor Soldiers and a named character. I dunno about others, but I like to keep my armies similar in number to the movie counterparts (hence why I hate the MEA composition of 3 elves and only 2 orcs). If they had 3 Gondor Soldiers and 3 Orcs I would buy significantly less of the sets and just BL all the extra orcs for cheap.

You can always sell extra soldiers....

Problem to me is IF they make Gondor army builder type (like uruk hai) I absolutely hate those orcs... (especially bald ones) they are so lame and uninspiring to me..... Atleast uruk-hai were done great!

4 Orcs a catapult(same as from the Ship!) a section of White wall + 1 Gondor Soldier (spear shield) + 1 Gondor Archer would be amazing....

I just hope we get a proper Gondor Shield and a proper helmet mold atleast for regular soldier of Gondor if not also for the Tower Guard.... These 2 molds/printings are my number 1 wish list from LEGO LOTR for now... the third would be Easterling :P

[Deathleech]

Ya, if they were to do a Mordor Orc/Gondor Soldier army builder, I would really expect Lego to make a new print for the orcs, give at least some of them hair/ears, and give them some proper armor (not Uruk-hai rehashed crap). The Gondor Soldiers would definitely need new helm molds as well. I could live with Lego taking the Roman Soldier shield, doing it in gray and black and putting the Gondor tree print on the front.

Edited October 24, 2013 by Deathleech

[The_Creator]

Really, TLG just needs to make a widely available polybag with an Gondor solider, I think the Roman Shield in grey with the Gondor tree would be great, and an Orc one.

[TheWorldAhead]

I am quite excited about the list of rumored sets, and personally I believe them. However, I think the rumored prices are almost certain to change. At any rate, assuming the sets are real, I can't wait for the Mirror of Galadriel, though I think it should include Sam as well--as a throwback to the book, and because so far Sam has only appeared in ONE SET!

I was really expecting the larger Lothlorien set from the prototype room, but I suppose that would be too similar to Mirkwood Elf Army, which, come to think of it, would double well for Lothlorien.

Other than that, Eowyn and Faramir are my two favorite characters, so it would be great to get them. As far as the rumored sets are concerned, relative to their prices, however, I think Amon Hen would be the most exciting. Though there would not really be any "new" minifigures. Perhaps they could include Uruk-hai with new scout helmets (the leather-flap ones from "Fellowship")

[Mutant Orc]

They never gave us the helmet variations seen in Helm's Deep (such as the bomb layers') so I doubt they'd bother making another mold for a cheaper set. Also, they never gave us any special orc helmets from Moria etc. and they were very iconic.

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/3939/img7048mm0.jpg

[deskp]

The uruk hai already got the best lego representation, they do not deserve another new mold.

[Deathleech]

Ya, I would much rather see some Gondor and Elf helmet molds over a slight variation to the Uruk-hai one.

[Infernum]

Eh, that variant isn't worth a new mold.

I really hope a Gondor Helm has holes in the side. Then you could add the wings to the side.

[TheWorldAhead]

They never gave us the helmet variations seen in Helm's Deep (such as the bomb layers') so I doubt they'd bother making another mold for a cheaper set. Also, they never gave us any special orc helmets from Moria etc. and they were very iconic.

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Everyone is right that it seems like an unnecessary mold to make. I just feel like, if Amon Hen is a real set, it will suffer from a lack of unique minifigures...unless there's a completely redesigned Lurtz or something. So far each LOTR and Hobbit wave has been so focused on minifigures, in some cases at the expense of the sets themselves, so I would imagine that the trend will continue into next summer. That being said, I think the designs from this past summer were better than 2012, so I have high hopes for whatever sets are released next year.

[Robert_88]

I don't think we will get Amon Hen as a set. Normally we get unique minifigures or iconic locations. I like Amon Hen but I think the location is not so important that it is worth making a set without unique minifigures.

[Mutant Orc]

There isn't much to do with Amon Hen apart from displaying it, and even then it's only a slope with some ruinous statues. I much prefer play sets, although they need to look good as well.

Wouldn't a store exclusive (type of thing) of the Last Alliance, being nice, iconic and fun (I mean, who doesn't want a giant Sauron to smash up Helms Deep in a really inaccurate scene?) for the last wave of LOTR be fitting..?

[tacozftw]

I would be really disappointed if that list turned out to be official. I'd really like an Orc/human army builder from the final wave. Also, a Balrog!

[TheWorldAhead]

I would be really disappointed if that list turned out to be official. I'd really like an Orc/human army builder from the final wave. Also, a Balrog!

A Balrog would be awesome, but if the fell beast in the next wave is real, two brick-built creatures in one wave might be a little much. As for a Orc/human (Gondorian?) army builder, do you mean something like "Uruk-hai Army" and "Mirkwood Elf Army," or a Star Wars-style battle pack? If the list is official, "Osgiliath" could function as an expanded, mid-price range army builder. I would not expect a battle pack any time soon, though. Whether because of a licensing agreement or a design decision, we don't seem to be getting any inexpensive figure sets in the Middle-earth themes.

[Deathleech]

As for a Orc/human (Gondorian?) army builder, do you mean something like "Uruk-hai Army" and "Mirkwood Elf Army," or a Star Wars-style battle pack? If the list is official, "Osgiliath" could function as an expanded, mid-price range army builder. I would not expect a battle pack any time soon, though. Whether because of a licensing agreement or a design decision, we don't seem to be getting any inexpensive figure sets in the Middle-earth themes.

I would be totally happy with a Uruk-hai Army/Mirkwood Elf Army style set featuring Gondor Soldiers and Mordor Orcs. As long as it had at least 2 Gondor Soldiers and 3 Mordor Orcs. Of course a "real" battle pack like SW gets would be the best but ya, I don't see that happening. We have had 4 waves between the Hobbit and LotR now and the "Army" sets are the closest we have gotten to army builders. It's a bit of a shame, but better than nothing I guess.