mostlytechnic Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 that makes me suspicious of Cult Leader - either the Big Red Science pill was something good and they were both scum, or the CL is town and the scum were trying to get as many different pills as possible. I'm going to do a little research on this and I'll share more thoughts later... I took a look at WHEN some pills were taken on day 2. Male Lover grabbed his very quickly - this has to be weighed with the fact that we don't know when the pill cart is coming, so there's distinct luck in what pills are available to you - but it would support the possibility that he was taking a pill that he knew the effect of, which would make Cult Leader scum. If he was just going down the list for an unknown pill, they shouldn't have known the effect of the Hunter pill (pill #1) since the virgin took it day 1. With this, I can support a lynch vote on Cult Leader. I'd be willing to vote PGO as well, for many reasons. Witch is a maybe. If we reveal all the pills, we could possibly reveal one of the Power Roles, say the vig or JOAT. With no conversions possible, we can make sure that person has an unkillable pill every day and have someone we can all trust to gather info. Anyone who tries to take the unkillable pills otherwise would be lynched. I love it. Feckuck you, Scum. What do you guys think? I really think it will work. I support this plan - so, who's grabbing the fairy tale pill today? That'll be an issue if none of the power roles are publicly known before the pill cart comes around. Anyone grabbing it would be HIGHLY suspected, but I'm sure the Vig/JOAT/etc would desperately want/need it, so they'd almost have to be outed so they can take it.
TrumpetKing Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 The Cultist (Fred Daniel Yam): 6 votes (Hinckley, Tamamono, TrumpetKing, Adam, LEGODad, Bob) The Male Lover (LEGODad): 5 votes (fhomess, CallMePie, mostlytechnic, Waterbrick Down, Purpearljellyblob) The Tree Stump (Adam): 1 vote (Kadabra) The First Day Lynch (Jamesn): 1 vote (Esurient) The Paranoid Gun Owner (purpearljellyblob): 2 votes (PirateDave84, jamesn) Wow, there's even less here. Quite a shame, actually. I'd actually like to look into those who didn't vote for the two lynchees. More specifically, those that voted for PGO. They took away their votes from Male Lover pretty close to the end of the day, trying to turn the lynch over. At that point it was clear that Male Lover was going to be lynched, so why change your vote and try to turn the lynch around last-minute?
Purpearljellyblob Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 Fourth post: I am officially alone on this baseplate! To further my case against PGO, here is the extent of his controbutions today: 1) FDL calls him out on his vote and asks for clarification; this happens: This reads to me as "Don't look at me, look at what he's done!" Aren't you doing the same thing, Doctor? All of her concerns are then addressed by the FDL, the PGO then disapears 2) This post to request a pill Nothing to say here .... Nice summary. 3) FL calls him out as an individual we should scrutinize: And he comes up from his hiding place to say this: In this post he mocks the fake vote process denying it as viable to hash out suspicions and calls me out for calling out lurkers which at that point I had pretty clearly explained my point and stance on the subject. She concludes by alleging I defend the Witch; this proves he had not read the thread in a long time and was solely focused on addressing the post targetting him to redirect suspicion on another person (as was also done in his first post of the day). Oh! and PGO has yet to vote today! I rest my case Still, voicing my comment and putting myself under scrutiny is still much better and constructive then you being the professional summariser. Also, someone privately defended The Paranoid Gun Owner to me, saying that this was her Town game in the one game she played. Apparently acting really Scummy is her Town game, that's actually what was said. Metagaming off of one game. Granted, I was saying she was a good lynch alternative to The Male Lover, so it wasn't out of the blue. You should be really be careful of this person that defended me. I haven't been in contact with anyone so I am really suspicious of this person. Either way, this person is playing on the safe side. The Paranoid Gun Owner is acting super Scummy. Key word here is acting. No need to say more. Just take a look at those who are so eager to take me out. You might find yourself scum. So, Doctor, I did say I would support a PGO lynch. And you have a fair point about ML giving up. Unvote: Male Lover (LegoDad) Vote: Paranoid Gun Owner (Purpearljellyblob) Anyone else want to turn this around? Did anyone else read scum over this post? I think we should focus on these two that we are lynching right now, and see what tomorrow brings us. There's no need to split the votes further. And if ML gets lynched and turns up scum, you guys have just pinged me. I guess the Doctor and the FDL have a lot of explaining to do now. My logic here is that as a vanilla facing a lynch that's got steam, it's VERY hard to defend yourself (I've been there) efficiently. Secondly, if he was scum, he may be pushed by his teammates to fight for his life; in this case 5 others could give him ammo to fight with; it's more of a thought than a theory. I also did not know the info you shared about the options you presented ML with. PGO is reading the thread now, I can't wait to see what he comes up with! Seriously. Everyone has a different game play style. Don't try to impose your thoughts into other people's mindsets. That's really scummy. Why is that? What if PGO is scum, then what? But I am Town, maybe you do know I am town. You quoted an old post there .... So you are not going to address the case I made against you? Did you read it? I would call my decision to vote for you as pretty informed unlike your decision to just pile on the bandwagon of ML; would you not say? Pretty informed you say? Have you got any investigation results on me? If you have any results on me I am sure you will be all apologetic. How is fake voting not working? it has generated leads and discussion which led to accusations and subsequently real votes, I would say that it works. Feel free to come back and address thes points any time you want ... oh! you disapeared again! I have already stated my opinion. That being said, how obvious would it be if the Scum all jumped to one player at the last minute? I don't think that's a major concern. It would certainly cause a great deal of suspicion if we saw a bunch of people change their votes right before the voting closed. You think you're being put through the gallows yet you don't answer any of the concerns. You just blame it on a vast Scum conspiracy. Ping. I don't like the whole fake vote thing. That's all. If you see people changing votes at the last minute. Town is doomed. It will be all too late to save the Town. Not a bad night. I'm glad we were right about Loverboy, and I suppose it's good that Virgin got knocked off (I would have probably voted for him today). Jester was looking increasingly more town, so it's unfortunate that he had to go. What I find interesting is that there were only two kills; the serial killer and the scum killer (if we're to believe BONAD and Female Lover in that the vig didn't kill on Night 1). Very weird. In any case, it's 1 - 5 - 9 now; another scum lynch would be pretty great right now. The fact that we need a 3/4 majority to achieve a lynch is rather troubling, though; I seriously doubt that we'll get a bandwagon like that. ~~~~ As of now my main suspicions are BONAD (pussyfooted both lynches; was a late vote on two town in addition to being scummy in-thread and outing the deal with the Witch) Tree Stump (hello??) PGO (although her towngame isn't generally the towniest thing, her reactions to Female Lover and First Day Lynches' accusations were weird. Plus, her vote against Male Lover was late and she hadn't said anything about him earlier. Looked like a bus) Out of all of these, I think PGO is the best bet for a scum lynch. I have a couple posts of hers to quote, be right back. That's a huge assumption you are taking right now. The way I am feeling it is, I will be lynched today because scum will push for my lynch so they can hide in the bandwagon. Wait, what made you think night two was SK and scum and not vig kills? Doubt you had read Female's post stating vig didn't kill yet when you said this. As for the people you listed, I'm not convinced on BONAD being scummy. It IS a possible explanation, but I am leaning more towards a town just sharing too quickly and with bad logic. I don't think scum would have made the assumption that the witch was SK based on the unsuccessful kill; nor would they have expected such bad logic to fly with the rest of the group and not get called out. Going with "scum or dumb," well, BONAD's bad assumption that witch had to be SK feels TOO dumb to be scum. PGO, I'm suspicious of. Stump, too quiet and hasn't been helpful enough to overcome that yet, so lightly suspicious. Both witch and PGO's votes on Male were "unneeded", strictly speaking. I can understand PGO wanting to toss a vote on Male to ensure that a single switch vote from ML to PGO wouldn't lynch PGO (as Doc did a few hours before PGO's vote). Witch's vote against ML was way earlier in the day. So, I'm not sure how much to read into either one. However, look at all the votes against Cultist that weren't needed. Several of those were made AFTER we knew he was quitting and so i's debatable if he was a good lynch candidate or not. Certainly a couple of scum could have jumped on that bandwagon as a safe way to vote against a townie without too much suspicion. Thanks for that - guess I was trying to read too much into the pics. Yep, to get a vote, we'll need all 9 town voting on the same person so that it'd be OBVIOUS if scum or SK were dissenting. If the town can't come to a consensus, they can easily hide in the confusion. Heck, they'll be trying to CAUSE the confusion to prevent a consensus, so gotta watch for that too. Thanks for putting suspicions onto me and saying nothing at all. Here's all PGO said on Day 2: This isn't the worst, especially considering Jester made a similar defense and flipped town, but it's still bad. Female Lover made a good explanation for SK's absence. Did you not read it, or just choose to ignore it? I read it and thought to myself, why should I believe him? I don't really like this. It's a way of accusing First Day Lynch without really accusing him. I need to see his response to that. This, however, is actually fairly good reasoning, but only to an extent. If you thought First Day Lynch had unvoted SK to get towncred when he flipped town, why did you vote SK too?? Didn't he have to be town for your hypothesis to be correct? And if First Day Lynch was your main suspicion (which it looks like), why not vote him? Now everything I say is discounted. Even though it was a fairly good reasoning. Way to go. I believed I made the hammer on SK since there was a tie. So you are suspicious of me because I untied the votes? Are you Town? I had the interest in moving the Town forward. I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish here if you're scum. You're entitled to your own opinion, although I don't particularly agree with this one. Not too scummy, just weird. First you say I am scum, now I read this you are thinking I am Town? This is the post that sends up the red flags for me. I was having serious doubts of the Cultist's guilt due to her disappearance (I've found that to usually be a towntell), and my doubts were basically confirmed when she gave up. I'm going to get ridiculed for this by town and scum alike, but the tone she's taking here (now that I'm finally examining her posts closely) is weird. It seems like she's trying to suggest something without outright suggesting it; something she did a bit with First Day Lynch earlier. Again with the sly accusations. I don't see how "knowing what's coming" will give the scum any advantages. Almost all of the fake votes are against people who are already suspected, and know they're suspected. This doesn't make sense. Like I said, I can't be sure until I hear from them. Same goes for FDL. Try to read deeper into it, it makes sense. You voted for Male Lover out of the blue (I must admit, I didn't vote for him nor voice my suspicions of him very loud; but I still voiced them without making a hasty vote like you did) when it didn't matter who you voted. Cultist and Male Lover were inevitably being lynched, unless somehow people rallied against you (which seemed unlikely). Your reasoning is bad too. "Well, he isn't doing anything, and even if he lives he'll be scummy later too, so I might as well kill him now". This sounds like you had no concern for what his affiliation was. In all honesty, this looks like a hasty bus to gain towncred for today. Fakevote: PGO (Purpearljellyblob) It is not hasty, knowing ML's affliation would be useful to pick up suspicious behaviour. Are you defending ML now? You do know ML is scum, right? ~~~~~ However, let's keep in mind that a lynch probably isn't going to happen today. There's no way for us to convict someone without the help of scum. The 3/4 majority lynch could actually work is the person convicted is Town (because only the scum would know who's Town and who's not). Might I add that Male Lover took the Deep Space pill on Day One, and that PGO took it yesterday? If we're working the pill angle, this adds to my suspicions of PGO. If we're playing like this: Rum = placebo Bobblyhead = downer I expect that one or more of the suspects are scum - I'd be worried about pointing all my suspicions towards town if I were scum. If we look at pills again, PGO took Royalty on Day One, which was taken by NPC yesterday. Goon was entrusted by Female Lover to get the Fairy Tale yesterday, so I'd put my money on NPC being scum if any of those four are. Oh please. Do you even know what the pills are? Royalty and Deep Space pills are placebos. You are so quick to cast accusastions. Scummy...... Also, can you comment on ML's death? Because I feel that you and the Doctor have a lot of clarification to do.
Hinckley Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 We can keep the JOAT and vig alive because they can alternate between the two unkillable pills! Anyone else who takes those pills would be automatically lynched. Let's do this! If you see people changing votes at the last minute. Town is doomed. It will be all too late to save the Town. That would only mean one Townie would be doomed to a lynch and that would be a Pyrrhic victory unless the Scum only need one more Townie dead. Which is why we should: 1. Reveal all pills 2. Reveal the identity of the vig and JOAT 3. Allow only the vig and JOAT to select the unkillable pills 4. Lynch anyone who takes an unkillable instead. We need this guarantee that our power roles will survive and that the Scum have nowhere to hide. It will also show who was sharing good pills amongst themselves. Let's do it! Yes? Who agrees? Who disagrees?
TrumpetKing Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 I agree. We can get things done with this plan. However, what if an unkillable pill has been trashed? If somebody had it and died, how are we supposed to know? Do we just take a lucky guess? Regardless, Bobblyhead pill was a downer, as said above, and Mystical pill is a placebo, so PR's, stay away from Bobblyhead.
Tamamono Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 I have a proposal: Everyone reveal what their pills do. The game structure is already open, The Scum can share the info on six pills a Day. We need to know what people are doing and have as much info as we possibly can to get a 75% majority lynch. The Scum have nowhere to hide with what they're doing with the pills. We should all reveal what the pills do. The Scum will know them all soon anyway. Especially if anybody is talking to the wrong person behind the scenes. Best possible idea. Once we get the pills and their effects take place, everyone reveals what it was. I'm game. 3. When asked he offers no solid opinion on The Witch. Witch is probably scum for this.
Hinckley Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 I don't think an unkillable was taken out. Definitely not by Night Kill. I have to wait from permissions from the JOAT and vig to go forward with this plan. If the pill cart comes, don't anybody take anything! Let's work out this plan first.
Rufus Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 Think about this, Hinck, if you're town. And please read my PM. Let's work out this plan first. An excellent idea.
Tamamono Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 We can keep the JOAT and vig alive because they can alternate between the two unkillable pills! Anyone else who takes those pills would be automatically lynched. Let's do this! I like this idea too, but what about the scum blocker? I mean, in theory, the scum will probably lose their blocker if we unite like this, but one of the JOAT/vig is guaranteed to be blocked every night until then.
Hinckley Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 Think about this, Hinck, if you're town. And please read my PM. An excellent idea. Oh, the block. The megablocking block! Mother megablocker. Well, we have an inventor handing out guns. They can't block the killer and the JOAT, so we know one will work and we already know someone with a pistol...well, I do anyway. Let's risk it. I care megabluck all about their wimpy little block. I hate the Scum. How dare them get randomly selected to be liars? What rotten people.
Rufus Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 An excellent idea. That's working it out first is an excellent idea. The plan itself might be, but I want to be sure we've thought it through.
Hinckley Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 I like this idea too, but what about the scum blocker? I mean, in theory, the scum will probably lose their blocker if we unite like this, but one of the JOAT/vig is guaranteed to be blocked every night until then. I know! And no watchers. I responded to this already. What does anyone think. Worth the risk? Our inventor isn't killable either. It's better to have two confirmed Townies unkillable throughout the rest of the game, even if they get blocked every night. We still have other ways to kill, investigate and protect. The inventor should just come out as well then, huh? Maybe not... Open game! Open game! I say we just do it. Once we start talking more about who can do what and what happens with each pill, we'll uncover the Scum in no time. I need to go look over Male Lover's posts, but I'm swamped with something called Brickworld.
jimmynick Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 @PGO, Usurper: I think it was adequately clear that I supported lynching Male Lover and PGO yesterday, and said I would back The Doctor if he decided to vote for PGO. Which he did, and I did. Nothing else needs to be clarified. @PGO: I'll see about those placebos, eh?
Hinckley Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 Well, I now know of the two unkillable pills. So, we can start moving forward with things. Can we have all of those people reading this weigh in? Snake Charmer, Usurper, Stump, First Day Lynch. Let's go. Time's a wasting. What do you think? Opinions now please.
Tamamono Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 Actually, both major power roles should claim as PR. After that, the Blocker, Inventor, and Universal Backup should claim to them. All the power roles should be in a group PM so they don't risk outing each other in-thread with accusations.
TrumpetKing Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 I think it's worth a shot. Probably one of the more efficient plans we've had. I can't give much more thoughts right now, I need to take a quick nap.
Tamamono Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 Did I miss any roles? I feel like there was another one. I forget what, though.
Hinckley Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 Actually, both major power roles should claim as PR. After that, the Blocker, Inventor, and Universal Backup should claim to them. All the power roles should be in a group PM so they don't risk outing each other in-thread with accusations. This, yes. We can confirm all of them and not worry with about conversions since there are none. Since each side has the same roles, we can easily sort out conflicting claims. If we all reveal what we are and what our pills are, then the Scum can't possibly hide. We'll know when a Scum takes the Uppers, for instance. I know of one of them. Hopefully, a Townie has had another. I'm going to move forward with my plan on the pills. Alto Pill - Downer Pill of Valhalla - Placebo Fairy Tale Pill - Lifesaver The Night Actions Town and Scum have NEARLY IDENTICAL ROLES with only a few tweaks to change for their sides. JOAT Town: Investigator/Protector Scum: Framer (2 Shot)/Protector/Janitor (1 Shot) Role Cop Killer Blocker Inventor Can invent a net (blocker), shield (protector), magnifying glass (investigation), or pistol (kill action). Bulletproof. Inscrutable (all investigation attempts including role cop will come up as "unsuccessful"). The inventor may either gift his invention, or create a new one, he may not do both on the same night. Universal Back-Up -When a scum with an action dies, the scum team may choose to drop an action and retain the one they would have lost.- -The Pill Cart will come in the first 24 hours at different times each day, decided by Random.Org. You post IN THREAD which pill you will be taking that day. It is first come, first serve.- Serial Killer Bulletproof. Hard to Read (If an investigator investigates him, the result will be "unsuccessful", but a role cop will receive the result of "killer".). Killer Did I miss any roles? I feel like there was another one. I forget what, though.
jimmynick Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 The inventors are unkillable anyway, so the vig and (cop/doctor or JOAT) should definitely claim and alternate the lifesaver pills. Like Serious Roleplayer says, they should all plan together what to do each night.
Tamamono Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 Whoops, role cop too. Thanks Female Lover. Yeah, I'm down for this. Lightsaber and Dickhead Galaxy pills are placebos. According to Usurper, Mystical is also a placebo.
Hinckley Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 Stump, why did you choose the two lynch rule? Snake Charmer, why did you choose the 75% conviction rule? When you both could have chosen: 5 random players getting votes with double the weight. (gone when there are only 10 players left) 5 random players getting no vote. (gone when there are only 10 players left) Why the difficult lynches instead of the double or no-votes. God pill also makes the person bulletproof and unlynchable the next day. We can't lynch Snake Charmer today and The Stump was unlynchable yesterday. Who was voting for The Stump? Wasn't the Godfather trying to make a case against him all day? Judging by what The Snake Charmer and The Stump decided to do with The God Pill, I would assume they're both Scum. Now, who has that pistol again...
DarthPotato Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 Stump, why did you choose the two lynch rule? Snake Charmer, why did you choose the 75% conviction rule? When you both could have chosen: 5 random players getting votes with double the weight. (gone when there are only 10 players left) 5 random players getting no vote. (gone when there are only 10 players left) Why the difficult lynches instead of the double or no-votes. God pill also makes the person bulletproof and unlynchable the next day. We can't lynch Snake Charmer today and The Stump was unlynchable yesterday. Who was voting for The Stump? Wasn't the Godfather trying to make a case against him all day? I already explained why I did to you. It would cause us to work together more and get a conviction on someone that we thought was scum, like PGO.
Hinckley Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 I already explained why I did to you. It would cause us to work together more and get a conviction on someone that we thought was scum, like PGO. Were you around encouraging us to work together more? Let's go look at what number you were to choose yesterday. Hum de dum de dee... La la la. Be right back. There's a little wrench in our plan. A potentially Scummy wrench. I don't like at all what I'm hearing in private from someone...
DarthPotato Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 Were you around encouraging us to work together more? Let's go look at what number you were to choose yesterday. Hum de dum de dee... La la la. Be right back. There's a little wrench in our plan. A potentially Scummy wrench. I don't like at all what I'm hearing in private from someone... Actually, I never picked in time and it was randomly assigned to me. So I didn't really deserve it anyway, I'll admit that.
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