Mafia Mafia: Day Three - One-Armed-Pete and the Go-Go Brigade

[Kadabra]

Um, we've been discussing this plan ALL DAY. Some has been in thread, some behind the scenes. But any argument against it has had plenty of time to come out and be discussed. If you have specific issues, bring them out and we'll talk about it. But it's getting to be a little late for that... but as it stands, we've lost 6 town vs 1 scum, and the scum knew around half the pills (even before people started sharing today) so they had a big advantage! Sharing the pills is one of the best things we could to do level the playing field.

Hinck, I was laughing so hard at your snarky replies to Stump that my wife asked what was going on! (maybe that just means I need to get some sleep... dunno)

And I think some clarification here would help - what eXACTLY do you mean by reveal ALL - ALL the roles and pills? All the pills and the vig and JOAT? Kadabra suggested the blocker/rolecop stay secret so that we don't have more known roles than protection pills... what's your thoughts there?

I was thinking one of them could be revealed and the JOAT could protect them each night, but then we'd lose our investigation and the plan could easily be foiled by a block, so yeah. Keep 'em hidden, IMO.

[TrumpetKing]

Vote: Yes for All Reveal Plan

This will help the town find the scum, but don't you think they'll be quite a bit wary on picking their pills?

[Adam]

Honck revealed that a JOAT claimed to him yesterday, if he were scum the real one would have counterclaimed. As far as Rolecop and Blocker, they will remain unknowns so the scum don't target them. DUH. Why would we have more PRs public than we do lifesaver/God pills?

I think you put far too much stock in counterclaims and spend far too much time saying "DUH" instead of trying to consider the risks of this plan. There are always inherent risks in claiming and counterclaiming. Remember that until now we have had nobody directly claim an action. Instead, they all come anonymously through outside sources. The PR has to think, "What if this is just a ruse to lure me out?" They have to consider the fact that counterclaiming will put them in the spotlight and bring them under suspicion.

*snip*

Very well; I missed your note on the JOAT, that is my mistake. I still don't see many reasons to trust the validity of these claims. Everything we know about them has come from you (with a note on the vig from the BONAD). If I have to vote for the reveal all plan to learn why I should trust these people, then I will stick to the vote I just placed. In terms of the vote being pointless, here is what I'm trying to say: after revealing the pills, the next issue becomes "Who will take the power pills?" At that point, we have to expose all of the PR's, otherwise we just sit around playing with our dicks and waiting for people to take those pills. The reveal all plan began with the revealing of the pills.

If you have some iron-tight proof that will clear the vig and the JOAT and the Universal Backup from suspicion, then whoopee, I have no problems here. Go right ahead. But until then, I'm worried that one of these claims is not what it seems (this is already a possibility with the inventor). I'm worried that it'll be a scum who is taking that pill and not a Townie.

Um, we've been discussing this plan ALL DAY. Some has been in thread, some behind the scenes. But any argument against it has had plenty of time to come out and be discussed. If you have specific issues, bring them out and we'll talk about it. But it's getting to be a little late for that... but as it stands, we've lost 6 town vs 1 scum, and the scum knew around half the pills (even before people started sharing today) so they had a big advantage! Sharing the pills is one of the best things we could to do level the playing field.

You say "ALL DAY" as if the day DIDN'T start today (in the real world). This plan was suggested about five hours ago, and the pills were revealed within the next two hours. I arrived at the thread and learned about the plan about two and a half hours ago, and have been raising concerns since.

At the end of the fucstumpking day, all I want is an actual reason to get behind these claimed power roles rather than just taking Hinckley's word for it.

So stump it. Reveal everything. I'm going to stump my wife.

[Kadabra]

I think you put far too much stock in counterclaims and spend far too much time saying "DUH" instead of trying to consider the risks of this plan. There are always inherent risks in claiming and counterclaiming. Remember that until now we have had nobody directly claim an action. Instead, they all come anonymously through outside sources. The PR has to think, "What if this is just a ruse to lure me out?" They have to consider the fact that counterclaiming will put them in the spotlight and bring them under suspicion.

Very well; I missed your note on the JOAT, that is my mistake. I still don't see many reasons to trust the validity of these claims. Everything we know about them has come from you (with a note on the vig from the BONAD). If I have to vote for the reveal all plan to learn why I should trust these people, then I will stick to the vote I just placed. In terms of the vote being pointless, here is what I'm trying to say: after revealing the pills, the next issue becomes "Who will take the power pills?" At that point, we have to expose all of the PR's, otherwise we just sit around playing with our dicks and waiting for people to take those pills. The reveal all plan began with the revealing of the pills.

If you have some iron-tight proof that will clear the vig and the JOAT and the Universal Backup from suspicion, then whoopee, I have no problems here. Go right ahead. But until then, I'm worried that one of these claims is not what it seems (this is already a possibility with the inventor). I'm worried that it'll be a scum who is taking that pill and not a Townie.

You say "ALL DAY" as if the day DIDN'T start today (in the real world). This plan was suggested about five hours ago, and the pills were revealed within the next two hours. I arrived at the thread and learned about the plan about two and a half hours ago, and have been raising concerns since.

At the end of the fucstumpking day, all I want is an actual reason to get behind these claimed power roles rather than just taking Hinckley's word for it.

So stump it. Reveal everything. I'm going to stump my wife.

I think you spend far too much time trying to cause confusion, so we're even.

My point is, Hinck and BONAD both knew about a vig. If it was the scum killer/SK, then the REAL vig would have claimed to a person he trusted so he could get the spokesperson to counterclaim while staying anonymous, or counterclaimed in thread, or counterclaimed to Hinck. He would NOT have sat around "playing with his dick" while a fake vig was out and about claiming to people.

[jimmynick]

Hey, Witch, why do you have time for Heroica and not this?

[XimenaPaulina]

I'm all for an open game at this stage, as this will make things faster for us to draw out the scum.

Vote: Yes for Reveal All Plan

I don't think it matters since I assume Hinck already knows this but I got two placebos the first two days:

Rum = placebo

Pill of Valhalla = placebo

So are we also revealing if we are PR or Vanillas right now?

[Hinckley]

Um, we've been discussing this plan ALL DAY. Some has been in thread, some behind the scenes. But any argument against it has had plenty of time to come out and be discussed. If you have specific issues, bring them out and we'll talk about it. But it's getting to be a little late for that... but as it stands, we've lost 6 town vs 1 scum, and the scum knew around half the pills (even before people started sharing today) so they had a big advantage! Sharing the pills is one of the best things we could to do level the playing field.

Hinck, I was laughing so hard at your snarky replies to Stump that my wife asked what was going on! (maybe that just means I need to get some sleep... dunno)

And I think some clarification here would help - what eXACTLY do you mean by reveal ALL - ALL the roles and pills? All the pills and the vig and JOAT? Kadabra suggested the blocker/rolecop stay secret so that we don't have more known roles than protection pills... what's your thoughts there?

That's kind of not good. I actually edited out what I felt was snarky. I called someone Mr. Spazzy McBristly-Pants, but thought it might cause others to suspect that person unfairly as I was somewhat over-reacting and I don't want to discourage discussion about this plan.

I still say the vig and JOAT could be revealed, but if we sort out this Inventor claim, what do we do with the real inventor. If The Cult Leader is an Inventor, shouldn't he be getting one of the unkillable pills? Hell, we don't even know which one of those to believe. Way to out yourself and throw a huge wrench in the plans.

I'll say this about the Cult Leader: I don't know why he's being so sensitive about this plan or exploding in response to me. Maybe I'm really annoying him, but he keeps going back to thinking I'm Scum. It could've been a meatshield, but why would I start the case against Male Lover when the Scum is mowing down Townies? Me accusing and starting the case against The Male Lover would've had to have been a meatshield and why would Scum do that so early? The Cult Leader also did not vote yesterday, despite being around. He claims to have been posting when the thread was closed, which is possible. He did try to discourage me from revealing all of the pills, via Potato, because he wanted to see if any Scum would slip up and correct me that there was only one unkillable pill out there.

I'm curious to hear from this other Inventor. The Cult Leader may be Town, but he's being awful reactionary and that's out of character for him. The whole "I'm left no choice" was something we discussed another player doing in another game and condemning the practice. I'm left confused, but think we should wait for The Cult Leader's nap to take effect to really make any judgements. He could be a Town PR after all.

Any luck on this pistol recipient, Serious Roleplayer?

I think you put far too much stock in counterclaims and spend far too much time saying "DUH" instead of trying to consider the risks of this plan. There are always inherent risks in claiming and counterclaiming. Remember that until now we have had nobody directly claim an action. Instead, they all come anonymously through outside sources. The PR has to think, "What if this is just a ruse to lure me out?" They have to consider the fact that counterclaiming will put them in the spotlight and bring them under suspicion.

If that were what that counterclaim PR was thinking, then by now they should've found someone to claim to that can reveal the info for them.

I still don't see many reasons to trust the validity of these claims. Everything we know about them has come from you (with a note on the vig from the BONAD).

I caught The Male Lover and started the case against him, that's why you should trust me. Plain and simple.

If you have some iron-tight proof that will clear the vig and the JOAT and the Universal Backup from suspicion, then whoopee, I have no problems here. Go right ahead. But until then, I'm worried that one of these claims is not what it seems (this is already a possibility with the inventor). I'm worried that it'll be a scum who is taking that pill and not a Townie.

I could say it fifteen times, but let's go for three: if there are counterclaims, public claims that are supposedly false should give them the confidence to come right out and counter them. With all revealed, how can the liars be safe? Why do you suggest the vig and JOAT are so confident in being revealed? If the Scum takes the pill, they reveal themselves. The Town blocker now knows of a Scum to block. We know who we can lynch tomorrow. We have lots to look at with the pills.

Speaking of which, I've been swamped. Has anybody had a chance to look for other patterns?

So are we also revealing if we are PR or Vanillas right now?

Right now I was just suggesting revealing two since that's all we can guarantee protection with the pills.

But the PRs can then claim to those PRs and they can keep track of who is claiming what.

Once they reveal themselves, if that's what we decide to do, I can tell you the whole story of why I trust them, what has happened and you guys can poke it for holes all you want. Wheee!

The lynch is the town's best weapon, so I didn't want to destroy that with the 3/4 rule.

It is actually the vote that is a Townie's most powerful weapon, to be specific. And forcing two lynches on Day Two is really questionable. Since all four have to be used, why not use the ones with the five random no-votes, early when it will have the least effect? Were you afraid Townies would be getting double votes with the other one? If you get lynched and you're Town, I would say this is your biggest mistake: Having all four rules to choose from and taking the Scummiest.

Who did you discuss your decision with?

[Kadabra]

I still say the vig and JOAT could be revealed, but if we sort out this Inventor claim, what do we do with the real inventor. If The Cult Leader is an Inventor, shouldn't he be getting one of the unkillable pills?

Any luck on this pistol recipient, Serious Roleplayer?

If that were what that counterclaim PR was thinking, then by now they should've found someone to claim to that can reveal the info for them.

I caught The Male Lover and started the case against him, that's why you should trust me. Plain and simple.

Speaking of which, I've been swamped. Has anybody had a chance to look for other patterns?

Right now I was just suggesting revealing two since that's all we can guarantee protection with the pills.

But the PRs can then claim to those PRs and they can keep track of who is claiming what.

Once they reveal themselves, if that's what we decide to do, I can tell you the whole story of why I trust them, what has happened and you guys can poke it for holes all you want. Wheee!

Trimmed it down to just what I responded to, if that's OK.

1. The cult leader doesn't need an unkillable, he's bulletproof.

2. Yes, tell us about the pistol recipient, please.

3. Precisely my point.

4. But you claimed in PM to me that you were unconfident in that lynch and you voted Cultist. Playing both sides of the fence, to quote a great mafia player.

5. Yup, solid.

5. Can't wait to hear it!

[Hinckley]

3. Precisely my point.

Which?

4. But you claimed in PM to me that you were unconfident in that lynch and you voted Cultist. Playing both sides of the fence, to quote a great mafia player.

True. And I also said it in thread. I kept my vote on The Cultist because I was afraid that the lynches could get out of control if we weren't careful. I think I made a good case against The Male Lover but was nervous that we could be lynching a Townie based on my suspicions. I was afraid I had started a bandwagon and was worried that it seemed to be gaining momentum too fast. That is precisely what I said to a few people and I believe I even said it in thread.

[Kadabra]

I think you spend far too much time trying to cause confusion, so we're even.

My point is, Hinck and BONAD both knew about a vig. If it was the scum killer/SK, then the REAL vig would have claimed to a person he trusted so he could get the spokesperson to counterclaim while staying anonymous, or counterclaimed in thread, or counterclaimed to Hinck. He would NOT have sat around "playing with his dick" while a fake vig was out and about claiming to people.

This point here. I was agreeing with you.

And I see what you mean about ML, you did bring him up as scummy before saying you we're uncomfortable with the lynch. I can see why a bandwagon might want you to backtrack... Lucky we didn't, though!

[Tamamono]

Any luck on this pistol recipient, Serious Roleplayer?

Nope. I asked him a while ago who his inventor was, but I haven't gotten a reply - not even an "I can't tell you." He's seen our conversation after that, too. It was bolded and looked like something had been added, but there was nothing when I got there. He might have removed something.

Hey, guy with the gun, can you wake up and respond to me? If you don't want to tell me who it is, fine, I respect that. Tell Hinck, though. If it's not Cult Leader, we need to lynch between inventors.

[Waterbrick Down]

Hey, Witch, why do you have time for Heroica and not this?

Sorry, I had prior priorities with that, sort of hosting myself, not to mention I spent all day moving boxes, and furniture, dishes, bookcases. Does anyone else think the off-white baseplate could use some spazzing up?

After sloughing through 5 whole pages of utter madness, chaos, and nail-biting. I'll gladly add my vote to the reveal all. I generally enjoy looking for new approaches in these types of situations and I think the female lover has outlined a good strategy in bringing us the win.

Also, as you know the Fairy Tale pill is the lifesaver. The Hunter pill is a placebo.

[Kadabra]

Sorry, I had prior priorities with that, sort of hosting myself, not to mention I spent all day moving boxes, and furniture, dishes, bookcases. Does anyone else think the off-white baseplate could use some spazzing up?

After sloughing through 5 whole pages of utter madness, chaos, and nail-biting. I'll gladly add my vote to the reveal all. I generally enjoy looking for new approaches in these types of situations and I think the female lover has outlined a good strategy in bringing us the win.

Also, as you know the Fairy Tale pill is the lifesaver. The Hunter pill is a placebo.

Opinions on Rufus? Adam? Could you please contribute to scum hunting, or is that too hard?

[Waterbrick Down]

Opinions on Rufus? Adam? Could you please contribute to scum hunting, or is that too hard?

From what I can tell, I can't think of any scenario where the Cultist Leader is scum. The God pill sat out there for so long, that it would have been ludicrous for it not to have been quickly scooped up by one of his scum buddies. Now that doesn't rule out him being the SK as both roles (the SK and the inventor which he claims to be) are nearly identical in terms of investigations and their bulletproof aspects. Though if he's the town inventor, I don't see it being very difficult to confirm this as it would only take one night.

As far as the Stump, yes he's been somewhat resistant in following the majority of people's opinions, which either means he's a conservative fellow townie or a scum trying to stall as long as possible to make sure things aren't lain out in the open. He's been a little quieter than most, but who am I to comment on activity. I can say you've been more than adamant on trying to get him lynched though and if I look at my notes, you keep on pinging me time and time again for your relentlessness.

[Kadabra]

From what I can tell, I can't think of any scenario where the Cultist Leader is scum. The God pill sat out there for so long, that it would have been ludicrous for it not to have been quickly scooped up by one of his scum buddies. Now that doesn't rule out him being the SK as both roles (the SK and the inventor which he claims to be) are nearly identical in terms of investigations and their bulletproof aspects. Though if he's the town inventor, I don't see it being very difficult to confirm this as it would only take one night.

As far as the Stump, yes he's been somewhat resistant in following the majority of people's opinions, which either means he's a conservative fellow townie or a scum trying to stall as long as possible to make sure things aren't lain out in the open. He's been a little quieter than most, but who am I to comment on activity. I can say you've been more than adamant on trying to get him lynched though and if I look at my notes, you keep on pinging me time and time again for your relentlessness.

Thank you. Now keep it up!

(First time I've thanked someone for calling me scummy. )

[Zepher]

"Oh, wait, are these my pills everyone is talking about? I feel like the prettiest girl at the dance."

1) First come, first serve - whoever claims a pill first, gets it. Bold your selection in your post. If someone asks for the pill you want before you, too bad.

2) You will find out what your pill does at the 48 hour mark. You make pick pills up until then. Pills are not optional.

3) Your pill dies with you. Except the God Pill.

4) You may NOT pick the same pill two days in a row. Sorry.

The Pills

1) Hunter’s Pill

2) Light saber Pill

3) Infectious Pill

4) Magical Pill

5) Cursed Pill

6) Pill of Valhalla

7) Riot Pill

8) Mystery Pill

9) Mystical Pill

10) Bobblyhead Pill

11) Rum

12) A Pearl

13) Deep Space Pill

14) The Royalty Pill

15) Fairy Tale Pill

16) Pill from the Dickhead Galaxy

The voting will open in 11 hours. I will not be here at that time. It takes 12 votes to lynch.

[DarthPotato]

Fairy Tale Pill please. Thanks!

[Tamamono]

Fairy Tale Pill please. Thanks!

megablocker.

[TrumpetKing]

Fairy Tale Pill please. Thanks!

Well, megabluck you.

[Hinckley]

As far as the Stump, yes he's been somewhat resistant in following the majority of people's opinions, which either means he's a conservative fellow townie or a scum trying to stall as long as possible to make sure things aren't lain out in the open. He's been a little quieter than most, but who am I to comment on activity. I can say you've been more than adamant on trying to get him lynched though and if I look at my notes, you keep on pinging me time and time again for your relentlessness.

And The Stump's use of the God Pill?

Fairy Tale Pill please. Thanks!

Well, there's one Scum. Should we lynch him and keep the identities of the vig and JOAT secret then? We'll take out the unkillable pill but at least the Scum can't use it.

Hey Snake Charmer, suck my snake.

[DarthPotato]

Well, there's one Scum. Should we lynch him and keep the identities of the vig and JOAT secret then? We'll take out the unkillable pill but at least the Scum can't use it.

Hey Snake Charmer, suck my snake.

Yes, please lynch me. I'm all for it.

[Hinckley]

Too bad you couldn't think far enough ahead to let us reveal the PRs first, so in this case, you've kind of crippled yourselves.

[Tamamono]

Whatever, I'm acting now, megablocking Darth Potato.

Mystery Pill

I'm a PR. I'm either the vig or the JOAT. Not telling which. Either Rufus or the other inventor (if he's town) and I will be your power roles for this evening. All power roles claim to me.

[Hinckley]

Whatever, I'm acting now, megablocking Darth Potato.

Mystery Pill

I'm a PR. I'm either the vig or the JOAT. Not telling which. Either Rufus or the other inventor (if he's town) and I will be your power roles for this evening. All power roles claim to me.

I concur with this. True.

So, if Snake Charmer wants to be lynched, let's lynch someone else. We have the stump, the pistol recipient or if the pistol recipient speaks up, whoever he's claiming gave it to him. Or Cult Leader.

[Tamamono]

Stumpy's town. Pistol recipient is also town.

Cult Leader would be a cool lynch. I want claims first, though.