jimmynick Posted June 24, 2013 Posted June 24, 2013 Sorry, Sheridan. Missed that. Claimin' to be the scapegoat first thing in the mornin' made everyone else pay attention to you, but we should probably cast our nets elsewhere.
Captain Nemo Posted June 24, 2013 Posted June 24, 2013 Sorry, Sheridan. Missed that. Claimin' to be the scapegoat first thing in the mornin' made everyone else pay attention to you, but we should probably cast our nets elsewhere. Wait! Wait--Just wait one minute...I spilled my drink... Why do you think we should cast our nets elsewhere? Just because she made a claim in her first comment about the hangings? And yer sorry? I know she may be yer daughter, but you seem to be, along with your husband, keeping a close kit family--and it may be a family, but is there another closer relationship goin' on here?
Scubacarrot Posted June 24, 2013 Posted June 24, 2013 Ugh. I know you are drunk as a biscuit or whatever, but, like keep your family relations straight. Seriously
CMP Posted June 24, 2013 Posted June 24, 2013 Why do you think we should cast our nets elsewhere? Just because she made a claim in her first comment about the hangings? And yer sorry? I know she may be yer daughter, but you seem to be, along with your husband, keeping a close kit family--and it may be a family, but is there another closer relationship goin' on here? The Magnificent Carletta Emilia Maria Roberta Consuela Puerta assumes she wants to find a more constructive topic, as we've about run dry on things to say on the scapegoat issue, in which case I agree, though my expectations are low given this is only the first day. Today is merely a matter of finding suspicious comments or taking careful note of behavior. I consider us most fortunate indeed to have a topic so readily available to discuss, but it's about run its course unless someone has something to add on it?
Scubacarrot Posted June 24, 2013 Posted June 24, 2013 Claimin' to be the scapegoat first thing in the mornin' made everyone else pay attention to you, but we should probably cast our nets elsewhere. Of course, it'd be kind of odd if people were like, ignoring it, or whatever. Do you have suggestions of what to go on instead? I think for now reactions to this are like, a solid first thing or something. I think like, further in the day we can try and see what has like, come up, and possibly press on like, some odd reactions or patterns we have noticed or whatever. Don't like, hold back. Not saying you should wait with doing that if you spot anything, don't like, take it the wrong way or whatever.
Bob Posted June 24, 2013 Posted June 24, 2013 The Magnificent Carletta Emilia Maria Roberta Consuela Puerta assumes she wants to find a more constructive topic, as we've about run dry on things to say on the scapegoat issue, in which case I agree, though my expectations are low given this is only the first day. I must agree with you Carletta. We've just about beaten the scapegoat thing into the ground and it's my belief that we should move on. Does anyone want to slip up for us and make our day good?
Scubacarrot Posted June 24, 2013 Posted June 24, 2013 I must agree with you Carletta. We've just about beaten the scapegoat thing into the ground and it's my belief that we should move on. Does anyone want to slip up for us and make our day good? Ugh. Could you give like, your opinion about it or whatever?
Captain Nemo Posted June 24, 2013 Posted June 24, 2013 Ugh. Could you give like, your opinion about it or whatever? Why do you keep asking for peoples opinions on it? And then asking to the guy who just said we've talked about it enough, so let's done move on?
jimmynick Posted June 24, 2013 Posted June 24, 2013 Wait! Wait--Just wait one minute...I spilled my drink... Why do you think we should cast our nets elsewhere? Just because she made a claim in her first comment about the hangings? And yer sorry? I know she may be yer daughter, but you seem to be, along with your husband, keeping a close kit family--and it may be a family, but is there another closer relationship goin' on here? Time to come off the drink a little, Caleb. Sheridan ain't my daughter, to start with. Mah child is young sweet Abigail. An' neither mah Abigail nor that scapegoat-claimin' Sheridan talked about hangings in their respective first comments. Y'all have me completely confused. The Magnificent Carletta Emilia Maria Roberta Consuela Puerta is exactly right; we've WIFOMed the scapegoat claim enough and we should probably give her a break for a moment. Let an investigator or watcher or tracker keep an eye on Sheridan or something. Now, Sheridan, I already pointed out Tristan because he suggests both you and your daddy are scummos. Now, I didn't j'accuse him or nothin' back then, but his post about y'alls seemed a bit weird to me. Also, Molly, that saloon dancer, sets me on edge a little bit. And not because she comes too close to my darling Drake!
Scubacarrot Posted June 24, 2013 Posted June 24, 2013 Why do you keep asking for peoples opinions on it? And then asking to the guy who just said we've talked about it enough, so let's done move on? Am I like really, gonna have to like, put the reason up for that for the third time or something? Ugh. You people are like, sooo lazy, you could learn something from my Daddy and me. Ugh. So, I don't know if you have noticed, but I am seeing some fairly interesting things among the people's opinions about this or whatever, early on it seemed like a few people were trying to get me to be lynched since there was that air around, and then later there were some sudden switches in viewpoints or whatever. It could be like, nothing, but it could also be like, something. I don't want people to like, be able to hide while the town discusses things or something. So whatever, I think like, asking people their specific viewpoints about something is a like, a totally fab thing to do.
Peanuts Posted June 24, 2013 Posted June 24, 2013 Some of y'alls been talkin' 'bout lynchin' Sheridan on that thar gallows, but stop an' think for a moment. If she's actually a townie, it's a setback to lynch her 'cause we'll be down a townie before we even started analyzin' stuff an' all. If she's actually scum, would she really be so gosh-darn silly as to point all the fingers at her? I know I been in this saloon drinkin' whiskey and wine all day (an' it sure is tasty) but I think we'd best leave her alone for the moment. Er, pardon, but nobody has been talking about lynching her yet. In fact, the person who has been, well, most accusing yet were you: Maybe it is a scum strategy, but would a scum put himself or herself out in the open so soon by claiming to be the scapegoat? Looks like I'll be having a plate full of WIFOM for lunch... Say, let's go to the saloon to have some food and whiskey. Caleb, what do you think about Sheridan's claim? Sheridan, why not just look for scum and not get on the local creepy guy's bad side? This sounds like an excuse for future scummy behaviour. And this is not even a real accusation, it's more, say, an invitation for another townie to accuse her. Tristan just said he was, er, unsettled, but he had changed his opinion at the point you spoke about people trying to lynch her. Most other people were either neutral or stating that they believed her. You go from half-assedly accusing her of "excusing future scummy behavior" to acting like you had to convince the town that lynching her on this is not a good idea. I must say, I find this, well, odd. Slightly scummy, too. Let's talk 'bout people's reactions to her claim. But I sure want other people to talk too. My little gossip book says Connie, Liz, Zachary, Esther, Beatrice, Prudence, Tony and Kenneth ain't even woke up today yet. Why's you think Sheridan and her daddy are both scummos? Don't y'all think it would be kinda dumb to come to such a weak defense of a fellow scummo so early in the day when defenses aren't even necessary? Now, I ain't gonna opine yet about Sheridan's daddy, because he seems to be a man of few words and I should like to see more of what he has to say, but I should think that sayin' we done caught two scum is jumpin' the Smith & Wesson (or is it the noose?). My, my, my, look at the time! I gotta get home an' see mah child! Okay, let's talk about reactions! Oh, wait, that's all the talking you're doing? You're a bit overinterpreting. Tristan's statement wasn't particularly helpful, because I see no indication that they are both scum, but he makes a vaild point that Micheal has gone out of his way to not answer the question about his opinion, but instead has been roleplaying a lot. Just saying. If anyone cares.
Scubacarrot Posted June 24, 2013 Posted June 24, 2013 Ugh, yes Tristan the creep's thing about me and my Daddy being Coyotes seemed like, off to me as well or something. Not only is it like totally not fab, my Daddy is the best, he would never do something like that, and I'm innocent as well, of course. He seemed to make a weird jump in logic there. Because he wouldn't like, answer my question right away, we are both likely in that gang? That makes nooo sense. My Daddy's got a lot on his mind, he is like, the best miner in the whole area after all! And he also called us out for being like, affectionate or something with each other, HelloOo? He's my Daddy, remember?
jimmynick Posted June 24, 2013 Posted June 24, 2013 Hey Perry! you said you would return as Coyote if investigvated but were you told what happens if you were to be killed or lynched? Would we then be able to assert your true allegiance? I believe Sheridan said she'd come up Coyote on investigation, but is really aligned with the Village. That means she'd come up as Village if killed or lynched. The only way to test this is obviously to kill or lynch her. The good side about lynching her is that there'd be no later confusion surrounding her and her affiliation. The downside would be that we would be risking the loss of a townie. I may have misinterpreted what they said, but these two looked like they were pushing for a lynch so I wanted to put my two cents in to say that lynching her today is probably a bad idea. Also, not even because they thought she is scum, but because we'd "find out her true allegiance". That's a stupid reason to lynch someone.
mostlytechnic Posted June 24, 2013 Posted June 24, 2013 Not only is it like totally not fab, my Daddy is the best, he would never do something like that, and I'm innocent as well, of course. So now you're defending your daddy's loyalty to the town? Based on what? In the saloon I've seen enough of decent, upright-appearin' fellows turning into lechers. So even if you think your daddy's the best (always good to see in a young lady like yourself), you got anything to back those words up with?
Kristel Posted June 24, 2013 Posted June 24, 2013 Sheridan, I made no mention of a third party and was not suggesting anything of that sort. I said I don't think you're scum because it doesn't seem like a scum thing to do. But, I also don't see why you felt a need to come right out with that first up. You say you've explained three times why you want people to speak up and state their opinion. If you hadn't asked this multiple times, we probably would have some people trying to fly low and potentially someone or more to focus on other than yourself.
mostlytechnic Posted June 24, 2013 Posted June 24, 2013 but because we'd "find out her true allegiance". That's a stupid reason to lynch someone. Naw, there's plenty of times when a lynch to determine allegiance is a perfectly legit way to go. I don't think so here - nothing to be learned other than her loyalties - but it's certainly not something to make a blanket statement like that. Why I remember a time in this special Academy when we tried to learn lots of things from lynching.
jimmynick Posted June 24, 2013 Posted June 24, 2013 If you have good reason to believe that someone is scum, a lynch is one way to find out if they actually are. The wrong way to do a lynch is: "Hey guys I'm a miller" "Let's lynch her to see if she is actually a townie"
Adam Posted June 24, 2013 Posted June 24, 2013 Time to come off the drink a little, Caleb. Sheridan ain't my daughter, to start with. Mah child is young sweet Abigail. Aww, you're making me blush, Momma! I never knew you thought I was young and sweet and all - Mom? Hey, Mom? I was just trying to say - oh, you probably just can't hear me, you are a few yards away and all... Also, Molly, that saloon dancer, sets me on edge a little bit. And not because she comes too close to my darling Drake! If you're gonna suspect every lady who rubs up to Poppa then you're gonna be suspicious of every floozy in town... Why does she set you on edge, Momma? I don't like it when people just throw accusations into the air without givin' us a reason to catch them. I consider us most fortunate indeed to have a topic so readily available to discuss, but it's about run its course unless someone has something to add on it? I agree with you, Ma'am. It looks like the general consensus is that we're giving Sheridan (Scubacarrot) the benefit of the doubt for now, but we're keeping her at arm's reach (though she should be used to that by now).
Peanuts Posted June 24, 2013 Posted June 24, 2013 Hey Perry! I may have misinterpreted what they said, but these two looked like they were pushing for a lynch so I wanted to put my two cents in to say that lynching her today is probably a bad idea. Also, not even because they thought she is scum, but because we'd "find out her true allegiance". That's a stupid reason to lynch someone. Well, Patrick clearly didn't push for a lynch, he just asked a question about the mechanics. Tristan didn't take a distince position, he just pondered the (very obvious) pros and cons of lynching. So, uh, I'll give you that one might interprete Tristan's statement as "talking about a lynch", but he was one person who commented on it once. But I agree that condemning Sheridan now just to check up on her allegiance doesn't make much sense.
Piratedave84 Posted June 24, 2013 Posted June 24, 2013 Hey Perry! I may have misinterpreted what they said, but these two looked like they were pushing for a lynch so I wanted to put my two cents in to say that lynching her today is probably a bad idea. Also, not even because they thought she is scum, but because we'd "find out her true allegiance". That's a stupid reason to lynch someone. Where do/did you see me push for a lynch? I was curious to see how it would work should she die; the reason being that if we know how she would turn out when killed would disable scum's ability to use that to their advantage and enable us to assess behaviour based on supporter/detractor of her.
Tachyon Posted June 24, 2013 Posted June 24, 2013 THe fact that you roleclaim so early in the game makes it seem like your'e scum. But it's also a very unusual thing to do. There are four possibilities. You're telling the truth and reassuring the town should you be investigated and turn out as town. Your'e scum and are tricking the town so you won't be investigated Your'e not the town scapegoat and infact another town role You're a third party with your own win condition that you're trying to set up.
Kristel Posted June 24, 2013 Posted June 24, 2013 Isn't lie detector an ability that requires everyone to provide a response to a question?
mostlytechnic Posted June 24, 2013 Posted June 24, 2013 Isn't lie detector an ability that requires everyone to provide a response to a question? Dunno about here in Silver City, but normally, nope. It's a one-shot (or more) ability to test a single statement by a single player: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Lie_Detector While we're discussing roles.... is the "scapegoat" being claimed the same as the "miller" role used outside Silver City? http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Miller Sure seems like the same thing, and if so, looks like the immediate claim is a very common reaction to the role. Doesn't really help us decide whether (or when) to test the claim though...
Esurient Posted June 24, 2013 Posted June 24, 2013 Now now, ladies, don't you worry. We'll clean up this town quickly. In the meantime, come over here so I can get a good look protect you from this dark menace. I will have more on Sheridan later but I have some questions for Drake, 1. I suppose you have intentionally reduced the font for the following words, "get a good look", in the confirmation and discussion topic. Why did you do that? 2. What does "get a good look" supposed to mean? 3. Are you trying to get PRs to claim to you? Because right now I have a "Drake soft claimed PR before the start of the game" read on you.
Peanuts Posted June 24, 2013 Posted June 24, 2013 THe fact that you roleclaim so early in the game makes it seem like your'e scum. But it's also a very unusual thing to do. There are four possibilities. You're telling the truth and reassuring the town should you be investigated and turn out as town. Your'e scum and are tricking the town so you won't be investigated Your'e not the town scapegoat and infact another town role You're a third party with your own win condition that you're trying to set up. Not really helping. If you provide some possibilities, you need some analysis. The first two possibilities make sense, the third one not, and the last one is really unlikely. Also, why are people who claim early scum? Isn't lie detector an ability that requires everyone to provide a response to a question? Huh? Sorry, I don't see where you're coming from. It just requires the detected person to make an objective statement.
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