Captain Nemo Posted June 25, 2013 Posted June 25, 2013 Ugh. Honestly, I think we are like, too focussed on me or whatever, most people have stated I am most likely town, which is the truth. Yet most conversation is still like, about me or something. And for the record, I have no other role or action or like, whatever. Well of course the attention is on you! I don't know why we would stop our focus on you, especially since you were so concerned with people's opinions of your claim.
TrumpetKing Posted June 25, 2013 Posted June 25, 2013 No, Framer screws with alignment. Role Cop turns up your role. (A vig or the scum killer would both read 'killer', a Rolecop that is town OR scum would read 'rolecop', etc.) Anyway, I'm definitely in agreement with Clay in that Michael and Sheridan doing this sort of buddy-ish thing is confusing, but I want to wit for the rolecop's results, if we have one. So I'll lay the first vote on Esther for her over analysis and repeatedly flawed logic. Please clarify your thought processes, Esther, unless 'causing confusion' is the only reason you have for your bad logic. Vote: Esther Thompson (esurient) I thought we were playing a Western game, not a ninja themed one. Why did you quote an entry by Liz, question her logic, then suddenly vote Esther? Please clarify. The one thing I do agree with, is why someone would think that a Framer would affect the roles. How does that even work?
Mencot Posted June 25, 2013 Posted June 25, 2013 Why did you quote an entry by Liz, question her logic, then suddenly vote Esther? Please clarify. I would like to hear this also, when I read it it sounded strange?
Captain Nemo Posted June 25, 2013 Posted June 25, 2013 The one thing I do agree with, is why someone would think that a Framer would affect the roles. How does that even work? Well a framer would make an investigated town appear as a scum. But really in this instance, the scapegoat (who would be town but investigate as scum) would show up as scum whether framed or not. So framing really wouldn't do anything here. However this is all under the assumption she is a scapegoat.
Piratedave84 Posted June 25, 2013 Posted June 25, 2013 Daddy, I know you love me, but your defense of me is very odd. I think a role cop should probably be able to like, see that my role is indeed the Village Scapegoat. But there is like, totally no reason to assume we have one on our side, don't know why you people are jumping on that. In these sort of like, situations, we rarely have one or whatever. Role cop is the only way to verify your claim with certainty. Ugh. Honestly, I think we are like, too focussed on me or whatever, most people have stated I am most likely town, which is the truth. Yet most conversation is still like, about me or something. And for the record, I have no other role or action or like, whatever. Really? You asked us a billion times for our opinions, you encouraged us to talk about you and even pushed some to offer opinions. Now that the spotlight is on you you're asking that we back down, how odd. No do not ignore me, I hate that. And Clay stop twisting what I said, you make my incompetense look really bad, I have looked up all these new roles and try to understand them and how they work I think I have been neither so far Yes , lets focus on something else for now And let my lass be Who do you propose we look at? You keep trying to shift the attention from Sheridan, do you know something we don't?
TrumpetKing Posted June 25, 2013 Posted June 25, 2013 Well a framer would make an investigated town appear as a scum. But really in this instance, the scapegoat (who would be town but investigate as scum) would show up as scum whether framed or not. So framing really wouldn't do anything here. However this is all under the assumption she is a scapegoat. I understand that, but she was asking if the framer affects roles. What confuses me is that the last book I saw her reading, her favorite character was a scummy lover whose teammates had a framer, so I'm not sure why she doesn't understand it. I'm worried she's starting to cause confusion. Apologies, trying, not starting.
Scubacarrot Posted June 25, 2013 Posted June 25, 2013 Role cop is the only way to verify your claim with certainty. Really? You asked us a billion times for our opinions, you encouraged us to talk about you and even pushed some to offer opinions. Now that the spotlight is on you you're asking that we back down, how odd. True. Doesn't matter if we don't have one, which is likely. If the rolecop investigates me it's fine, he'd have cleared what is effectively a vanilla townie from that point, but whatever. Ugh. No. That's like, not what's happening. People giving like, opinions or whatever, analyzing those opinions, oddities in it, that's like, useful. Spending the whole day figuring out how to deal with a miller claim is like, not.
Captain Nemo Posted June 25, 2013 Posted June 25, 2013 Ugh. No. That's like, not what's happening. People giving like, opinions or whatever, analyzing those opinions, oddities in it, that's like, useful. Spending the whole day figuring out how to deal with a miller claim is like, not. So you think it's not important we try to get to the bottom of your miller claim? If the claim was not important in your eyes, then why did you reveal it in the first place? Wait a second, that sounded too understandable, quick someone get me a drink!
Tamamono Posted June 25, 2013 Author Posted June 25, 2013 Vote Count Michael Thompson (Mencot) - 1 (Capt. Redblade) Esther Thompson (Esurient) - 1 (Kadabra) 46 hours until Sunset.
Capt. Redblade Posted June 25, 2013 Posted June 25, 2013 No do not ignore me, I hate that. And Clay stop twisting what I said, you make my incompetense look really bad, I have looked up all these new roles and try to understand them and how they work As long as you're making the effort to find out what's happening. And I don't think "incompetence" is necessarily the best word choice if you're trying to help your case. I think I have been neither so far Really? Would you care to show me any specific posts that speak to this? My vote is what it is.
Peanuts Posted June 25, 2013 Posted June 25, 2013 No, Framer screws with alignment. Role Cop turns up your role. (A vig or the scum killer would both read 'killer', a Rolecop that is town OR scum would read 'rolecop', etc.) Anyway, I'm definitely in agreement with Clay in that Michael and Sheridan doing this sort of buddy-ish thing is confusing, but I want to wit for the rolecop's results, if we have one. So I'll lay the first vote on Esther for her over analysis and repeatedly flawed logic. Please clarify your thought processes, Esther, unless 'causing confusion' is the only reason you have for your bad logic. Vote: Esther Thompson (esurient) I thought we were playing a Western game, not a ninja themed one. This is not about you in particular, but I think too many members of the town rely too much on power roles early on. 1. We don't know if we have a role cop. 2. We don't know if Scapegoat shows up as a role. 3. We don't know if vanilla townie shows up different from vanilla goon. 4. Even if we have a role cop and scapegoat shows up, we don't want them to reveal themselves by telling us the results. How about the good ol' lookin' at peoples' contributions to determine their allegiance? This is the only reason why claiming scapegoat is a risk for the scum (apart from the fact there might be a real scapegoat who can counterclaim): It draws attention and makes people scrutinize them more thoroughly. Also, we don't really want to discuss role strategies too openly. Suggestions are generally okay, but if the scum have a watcher and we are to definite, we make things a lot easier for them. I'm still somewhat suspicious of Jessica, the way she tried to turn Patrick's question into a lynch suggestion (after I called her out that nobody wanted to lynch Sheridan) and is one of those who were endorsing the night action-relying playing style. Hmm actually this could be the case but "Restriction" is a new thing for me, so I don´t know anything about that either. Restrictions are pretty rare, and if used together with a miller, I think Sheridan wouldn't be able to speak about being, er, a miller. That's the only restriction that makes sense.
Mencot Posted June 25, 2013 Posted June 25, 2013 Restrictions are pretty rare, and if used together with a miller, I think Sheridan wouldn't be able to speak about being, er, a miller. That's the only restriction that makes sense. Ok thanks Perry(Peanuts) for the knowledge. Comments like this is helpful. As long as you're making the effort to find out what's happening. And I don't think "incompetence" is necessarily the best word choice if you're trying to help your case. Maybe not Really? Would you care to show me any specific posts that speak to this? What I meant was, I hadn´t really shown any helpfulness in the beginning of the day, just roleplaying. Now that that i am getting a bit into this story, I will try better (hey this is Day 1)
Peanuts Posted June 25, 2013 Posted June 25, 2013 This post is suspicious. Up until now I was willing to pass off your defending Sheridan as clumsy roleplaying, but what makes you so sure a role cop wouldn't want to verify her allegiance for us? It's already been explained that Scapegoat is just another word for Miller, and Miller is a role, so surely there would be no reason for the role cop to sit idle while this question hung over our heads. When I first read this post, it almost seemed like you were trying to discourage the role cop from acting. Wow, that's quite an impressive 180° turn in less than an hour. If you don't understand the role, you can always look it up in the ancient Mah-fee-ahs-kum texts. That's really the whole reason they're there. In my past lives, I did just that myself when I didn't understand a role. Your radical agreement with the town implies that you are now skeptical of your daughter's words. And yet until this point you have been the first to defend her. Again, I'm still willing to accept that you might have been roleplaying a little too hard, but this is the kind of behavioural inconsistency that the elders taught us to watch out for. Your second post is very fluffy. It's probably more roleplaying, but it reads as very submissive and noncommittal, as if you're saying, "Yeah, okay, do what you want. Ignore me completely. Nothing to see here. La-de-da-de-doo." Looking back over your other posts this day, many of them seem to be the kind of substanceless fluff posts one makes when one wants to look like they're participating (and believe me, I know a thing or two about those). You are very heavy on the roleplaying, but not so much on the gameplay. Just to get the ball rolling, I will... Vote: Michael Thompson (Mencot) I completely agree that his posts were fluffy and heavy with roleplaying, but I think this very roleplaying is what you are basing your vote on. That can be a sign of scum trying to stay in the middle, but if he is, he isn't doing a particularly good job of looking helpful. But again, I disagree about the information-based gameplay. And with the assumptions about a role cop. Micheal has raised some flags when he brought up the "post restriction", or when his defense was basically "incompetence".
Mencot Posted June 25, 2013 Posted June 25, 2013 Micheal has raised some flags when he brought up the "post restriction", or when his defense was basically "incompetence". Actually it was our town drunk Caleb(captain nemo) that brought it up in the first place I do have to agree with this done statement here. I don't think we should throw out the possiblitiy of her lying about this simply because we see it as something "stupid" for a Coyote to do, I mean it might turn out to be a smart thing for a Coyote to do since we for the majority seem to believe her. But like my rival dancer said, we'll just have to use other methods to make sure she's acting with the town at heart. On the subjecto of Sheridan, in my drunken haze, done remember something from my old painful time during the War (Done when I lost be eye, me leg, and me balance), that sometimes some people could done be shocked (Er something from above) so much that they could only be speaking in certain ways. It's like a done "Restriction" on her words, and I don't know if it be 100% correct, for I ain't no doctor and you know, I'm drunk and whatnot, but I think it may be the reason I cannot understand her words all the time. Doesn´t matter so much who brought it up, what is that it was stated that it isn´t used here
Peanuts Posted June 25, 2013 Posted June 25, 2013 Actually it was our town drunk Caleb(captain nemo) that brought it up in the first place Oh, you're right. Sorry
Kadabra Posted June 25, 2013 Posted June 25, 2013 Why did you quote an entry by Liz, question her logic, then suddenly vote Esther? Please clarify. The one thing I do agree with, is why someone would think that a Framer would affect the roles. How does that even work? I'd like you to clarify where I questioned Liz's logic. The post that I quoted had her state that a framer might screw with rolecopping. I corrected her. I then questioned Esther's logic and proceeded to vote her. Care to explain the purposeful misreading of my post?
TrumpetKing Posted June 25, 2013 Posted June 25, 2013 It seemed as if you were questioning Liz's logic. What's even weirder is that you suddenly change the subject to Esther after spending some time referring to Liz, and even then, you spend a rather quick time on Esther. Your quick subject changing not only makes me more suspicious of Liz, but of you as well. However, Liz has been acting in a confusing matter recently, so my vote will be for her. Vote: Liz Devon (LegoDad)
Scubacarrot Posted June 25, 2013 Posted June 25, 2013 So you think it's not important we try to get to the bottom of your miller claim? If the claim was not important in your eyes, then why did you reveal it in the first place? Wait a second, that sounded too understandable, quick someone get me a drink! Ugh. You have a tendency, to like twist people's words and draw really far off conclusions or whatever. Just like, compare this post with what I said. You are like, the most suspicious to me at the moment, with unfortunately my Daddy ( ) on second place. Caleb, you also like say you don't understand what I say or whatever, no one else seems to have like, a problem. You also never really, like helped except by like, asking the obvious. You called yourself a townie in your first post, and gave roleplaying as a reason for not being able to be the "killer" or whatever. It's all a whole lot of, I think maybe it's this, maybe it's that, and I agree with what everyone else said. Or something. Whatever. Vote: Caleb Norman (Captain Nemo)
TrumpetKing Posted June 25, 2013 Posted June 25, 2013 I'm actually going to have to agree with Sheridan. It's not that it's not important to get to the bottom of Sheridan's claim, but it's been established that the only thing we can really do is have somebody role cop her, and we don't even know if we have a role cop. I'd say it would be best for the role cop (if there is one) to check Ms. Sheridan, and then talk to somebody they trust to be a member of the village. Has anybody noticed the absence of Ms. Long? I haven't seen her anywhere.
Mencot Posted June 25, 2013 Posted June 25, 2013 I also have my eyes on Caleb but not really ready to vote yet. I will have to sleep on it. Sheridan lass love, I will prove my trust you and everyone else by help finding those murder/s
Captain Nemo Posted June 25, 2013 Posted June 25, 2013 Ugh. You have a tendency, to like twist people's words and draw really far off conclusions or whatever. Just like, compare this post with what I said. You are like, the most suspicious to me at the moment, with unfortunately my Daddy ( ) on second place. Caleb, you also like say you don't understand what I say or whatever, no one else seems to have like, a problem. You also never really, like helped except by like, asking the obvious. You called yourself a townie in your first post, and gave roleplaying as a reason for not being able to be the "killer" or whatever. It's all a whole lot of, I think maybe it's this, maybe it's that, and I agree with what everyone else said. Or something. Whatever. Vote: Caleb Norman (Captain Nemo) I am not twisting your words, I am trying to make sense of them. I have multiple reasons that I am suspicious if you (and I'm not the only one). Your claim is the most obvious one, as is your on/off need to see what people think/don't think of it. Your role playing to the extreme, and because of it, you seem to be unable to make definitive statements. Your post I just quoted shows this: at the end you say you think it's one thing or another thing, then you agree with the town (who as a whole do not seem to have a problem with me) then you finish with a something and a whatever. From what I've seen, you appear to think I'm scum because I'm not trusting your suspicious claim as much as others.
Bob Posted June 25, 2013 Posted June 25, 2013 Vote: Michael Thompson (Mencot) His odd defence of Sheridan strikes me a bit peculiar. I don't know if it's roleplaying or otherwise, but, nevertheless it's my vote.
Tamamono Posted June 25, 2013 Author Posted June 25, 2013 Vote Count Michael Thompson (Mencot) - 2 (Capt. Redblade, Bob) Esther Thompson (Esurient) - 1 (Kadabra) Liz Devon (LegoDad) - 1 (Trumpetking) Caleb Norman (Captain Nemo) - 1(Scubacarrot) ~44 hours until Sunset.
Scubacarrot Posted June 25, 2013 Posted June 25, 2013 I am not twisting your words, I am trying to make sense of them. I have multiple reasons that I am suspicious if you (and I'm not the only one). Your claim is the most obvious one, as is your on/off need to see what people think/don't think of it. Your role playing to the extreme, and because of it, you seem to be unable to make definitive statements. Your post I just quoted shows this: at the end you say you think it's one thing or another thing, then you agree with the town (who as a whole do not seem to have a problem with me) then you finish with a something and a whatever. From what I've seen, you appear to think I'm scum because I'm not trusting your suspicious claim as much as others. Look. I'll do this one without the fluff. Just read your previous post and my post before it. If it makes it easier, cross out all the like, whatevers and somethings. You're not saying anything relevant, not answering my points. My vote stays. Ugh you're like, so whatever, or something. And no. Not at all. Again with the jumps in logic, twisting of words, weird assumptions.
Dannylonglegs Posted June 25, 2013 Posted June 25, 2013 Well a framer would make an investigated town appear as a scum. But really in this instance, the scapegoat (who would be town but investigate as scum) would show up as scum whether framed or not. So framing really wouldn't do anything here. However this is all under the assumption she is a scapegoat. Just to clarify, in my experience sometimes a framer switches alignment results (Ie: Scum to Town). That doesn't matter very much in this case though, because A. We don't know if there is one (and there usually isn't in my experience), and B. There's no reason for an investigator to check-out Sheridan as the result they'll get is pre-established. On the subject of "ways to figure out if Sheridan's lying apart from actual behavior analysis" (which is, after-all, our best method of finding the scum, considering PRs should not trust anyone until a while into the game.) Role-cop is usually a scum role, and I doubt we have one. (That said, stranger things have happened on first games... ). Thusfar, I'm not ready to vote for anyone. However, just going from my thoughts when reading this thread, Micheal's roleplay has indeed stuck-out to me as odd... particularly considering his non-existent defense when confronted with a simple accusation. In my opinion a Towny should speak-up for him/herself and defend their actions with something better than "incompetence." Saying that you were simply roleplaying is valid, but you should be doing more than roleplaying, even on the first day. This first day in particular, since Sheridan provided us with a great opportunity to focus on behavior/opinions right-off the bat instead of wasting our time roleplaying.... And speaking of roleplaying, Sheridan, that accent is more than a little annoying. Would you mind enunciating, like, a bit more clearly?
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