jimmynick Posted June 30, 2013 Posted June 30, 2013 - I don't know how me intending to claim becomes a possible PR to becoming a definite PR. Because you threatened to claim as a way of stopping the lynch on yourself, and according to the softclaim page on MafiaWiki The Silver City Handbook, that implied you have a NA. How more deeply were we supposed to read it? Thanks for playing games with us like that . I'm still leaning towards lynching you, since vanilla is not an easily confirmed or disproven claim, but I still have ~36 hours left to make a decision.
Kristel Posted June 30, 2013 Posted June 30, 2013 I am a Vanilla Town All this sh*t for this? Whatever happened to working together towards finding the scum ... my vote stands for now.
TrumpetKing Posted June 30, 2013 Posted June 30, 2013 Esther, you're kidding, right? After all of this squabbling because you claimed not once, but TWICE, and you're saying you're vanilla now? I feel very confident that you are lying about being town now. Frankly, I feel very content with my vote.
Dannylonglegs Posted June 30, 2013 Posted June 30, 2013 Wow. Seriously, wow. I really don't know what to say. Esther, as much as I can't believe a sane Scum team would let you claim that you'll claim, I can't believe a sane Town citizen would pull this kind of thing. You've gone past mistaken town PR in my eyes to excedingly distracting Townie in-need-of-somemore-learning or doomed scum megablocking with us. Great job, whatever you are. You've wasted our time. Hopefully you won't be a waste of my vote. Vote: Esther(Esurient) Now that that side-show is over with for the most part, I must say, I'm still quite suspicious of Michael, who has posted a few fluffy posts, and this gem: Big topics today seems to be Esthers claim Kenneths strange voting behaviour (or that, that there was non) And Zachary´s comments regarding Sheridan. Not gonna go in much yet on these nor whom I will vote for because it is still open, but I still don´t understand Kenneths choice not to vote (that is not what a town nor a scum would do) why why, Please Kenneth give us an better explanation than that you didn´t find anyone to vote for? An analysis-free summary of the days events. The only actual thing he's done all day is bring-up Kenneth's inactivity.
Adam Posted June 30, 2013 Posted June 30, 2013 Ho-lee f*ck. You have got to be kidding me. Damien said it best, this was an inexcusable waste of time. I can't see how a Townie could sofclaim to save her butt and then spend two days punking the town like this. Vote: Esther Thomson (Esurient).
Tamamono Posted June 30, 2013 Author Posted June 30, 2013 Vote Count Esther Thompson (Esurient) - 14 (LegoDad, Trumpetking, jamesn, TheBoyWonder, Kadabra, Bob, Kristel, CallMePie, Capt. Redblade, mostlytechnic, PirateDave84, Purpearljellyblob, Dannylonglegs, Adam) Kenneth Emanuel (KielDaMan) - 4 (penalty, penalty, penalty, penalty) Zachary Radford (Zakura) - 1 (Scubacarrot) ~35 hours until Sunset.
Mencot Posted June 30, 2013 Posted June 30, 2013 first off all, great little game you häd there esther wifey, the point off all this. Nothing, stupied, stupied, waisting jus time. Sidenote, I think esther (esurient) have had privet before this game, I wondered about it in aperture (town) because of her games
Mencot Posted June 30, 2013 Posted June 30, 2013 (Arrgh stupied mobile (posting dove device )) What I was about to say: because of her games and stupidity, I am also leaning to vote for her but I believe that she is town because not a scum would be play this stupied nor would the other scum let her play this way. Whats up with you, there are at least 2 who have played really stupied so far (esther and kenneth(whom we haven´t heard anything about yet) Then there is Beatrice, (as other have pointed out as strange also) if my comments are bashed for being contentless, then what to say about hers! She come in quotes someone and puts out a vote!
Capt. Redblade Posted June 30, 2013 Posted June 30, 2013 and every other negative emoticon I can think of. It's already been said, but, wow, what a waste of time. Talk about your red f***ing herrings. Even if Esther is town, lynching her won't weigh on my conscience after this, I can tell you that much.
Kadabra Posted June 30, 2013 Posted June 30, 2013 Wat. Srsly? I'm so frustrated by this that I just devolved into textspeak. I'm going to go stab myself while feeling completely justified in hounding Esther these past two days.
Scubacarrot Posted June 30, 2013 Posted June 30, 2013 Okay.....? You realize you seriously hurt the town with this, Esther. And what was that stupid PM about? Unvote: Zachary, Vote: Esther Thompson.
Esurient Posted June 30, 2013 Posted June 30, 2013 I can deal with all your negative emotions and insults. I still stand by my claim. Since the hammering vote has already been cast, I shall Vote: Esther Thompson (Esurient)
Mencot Posted June 30, 2013 Posted June 30, 2013 You vote for yourself now also Care to explain this little game you have played yesterday and today... (is this a way to get of this game or what because you have played much better in previous games than this???)
MagPiesRUs Posted June 30, 2013 Posted June 30, 2013 Here are my thoughts, - I don't know how me intending to claim becomes a possible PR to becoming a definite PR. - That goes to show people aren't reading deeply enough. - If that distracted the scum to waste their night action on me, then it's all good. Decide if you guys still want to lynch me. To be honest, I'm still not confident you're a Coyote, but your attitude isn't really helping your case. Generally, it's not a good idea to antagonise the town and place the blame on us when you're facing a lynch. Give us a reason to keep you alive. Yesterday you said you still have lots to contribute to the town, yet today you've done very little. Try to help us out here. Having said that, it's odd that people wanted Esther to claim in private to someone she trusted: "Aye" so I can weigh up the possibility of you actually being that power role and stop myself from voting you. Or rather maybe PM me You understand that you have claimed twice now right? How is your actually telling us your role going to be a benefit to us? My thoughts exactly; if you're town, don't claim. Do it in PM to a person whom you trust. I you're scum, please claim publicly. Since everyone knows you have a power role, I say 'AYE' because you might as well finish off the job. Of course, if you think it's more bad for scum to know than it is good for town to know, claim in PM to someone you can trust (if you have someone to trust yet). Claim to someone you trust, so 'AYE'. I am just hoping you are busy finding someone you can trust and not stalling for time by leaving us hanging. Unless there are new developments, I will Vote: Esther Thompson (Esurient) How could anyone trust anybody this early in the game? There's a very real chance she would claim to a non-townie, thus giving them and advantage with no benefits to the town. Even if she did claim to a townie, what would it achieve? A large proportion of the people in this city want her dead - how would claiming privately to one person change their minds about the lynch? What's also weird is that even though they suggest that Esther make a claim in private, they go ahead and vote for her anyway, on the basis that she hasn't claimed publicly yet. Patrick and Jessica go ahead and vote for Esther anyway, I want to hear what Esther has to say and I want her to stop beating around the bush, so let's up the pressure a little: Vote: Esther Thompson (Esurient) I'm tired of this pretend claim business and all the wild accusations; I now believe that Esther does not have a PR as if she did she would/ should have claimed by now. Unless things change I will: vote: Esther (Esurient) Esther, if you are town and if you have a NA, now is the time to fight for you to come out and fight for your life. For the sake of proper formatting: Vote: Esther Thomson (Esurient) WTF really!! vote: Esther Thompson (Esurient) ... I can deal with all your negative emotions and insults. I still stand by my claim. Since the hammering vote has already been cast, I shall Vote: Esther Thompson (Esurient) So you're just going to give up? Whatever your allegiance is, that's no fun. Come on, give us a defense.
TrumpetKing Posted June 30, 2013 Posted June 30, 2013 You're voting for yourself? Seriously? I understand that you're going to be lynched anyways, but that just feels like even you're saying that we caught you.
mostlytechnic Posted June 30, 2013 Posted June 30, 2013 As I said yesterday, I suspect that Sheridan is not miller but in fact just a goon making inroads into the town. I still don't see how... well, unless the rest of the town is forgetful. I may not be voting for lil' Sherri, but I sure as heck don't trust her either. So just what inroads does her claim make? Esther, you're kidding, right? After all of this squabbling because you claimed not once, but TWICE, and you're saying you're vanilla now? I feel very confident that you are lying about being town now. Frankly, I feel very content with my vote. A big part of me feels like NO scum would have gone vanilla after all that claim drama. Considering this town already has a claimed scapegoat, why not claim something obscure so there's little chance of there being a real town with that role? If I were scum in her situation, I wouldn't claim vig, investigator, etc, but I might claim janitor or something. Or maybe dig even deeper for an even more crazy role that's unproveable. Declaring your claim to be a lie and you're just vanilla feels to me like poor play by a desperate townie. But then we have considerations like all the distractions she's caused, "lynch all liars", etc.... so I'm still likely to leave my vote. To be honest, I'm still not confident you're a Coyote, but your attitude isn't really helping your case. Generally, it's not a good idea to antagonise the town and place the blame on us when you're facing a lynch. Give us a reason to keep you alive. Yesterday you said you still have lots to contribute to the town, yet today you've done very little. Try to help us out here. Having said that, it's odd that people wanted Esther to claim in private to someone she trusted: How could anyone trust anybody this early in the game? There's a very real chance she would claim to a non-townie, thus giving them and advantage with no benefits to the town. Even if she did claim to a townie, what would it achieve? A large proportion of the people in this city want her dead - how would claiming privately to one person change their minds about the lynch? What's also weird is that even though they suggest that Esther make a claim in private, they go ahead and vote for her anyway, on the basis that she hasn't claimed publicly yet. +1,000,000 here. I didn't understand the plea for private claims since she couldn't and shouldn't trust anyone. That's why I voted aye on her public claim question. All those asking for private claims have been noted for scrutiny... You're voting for yourself? Seriously? I understand that you're going to be lynched anyways, but that just feels like even you're saying that we caught you. Yup. Frankly, this is part of why I'm leaving my vote. Either caught or giving up, and either way is bad.
Piratedave84 Posted June 30, 2013 Posted June 30, 2013 To be honest, I'm still not confident you're a Coyote, but your attitude isn't really helping your case. Generally, it's not a good idea to antagonise the town and place the blame on us when you're facing a lynch. Give us a reason to keep you alive. Yesterday you said you still have lots to contribute to the town, yet today you've done very little. Try to help us out here. Having said that, it's odd that people wanted Esther to claim in private to someone she trusted: How could anyone trust anybody this early in the game? There's a very real chance she would claim to a non-townie, thus giving them and advantage with no benefits to the town. Even if she did claim to a townie, what would it achieve? A large proportion of the people in this city want her dead - how would claiming privately to one person change their minds about the lynch? What's also weird is that even though they suggest that Esther make a claim in private, they go ahead and vote for her anyway, on the basis that she hasn't claimed publicly yet. Patrick and Jessica go ahead and vote for Esther anyway, ... So you're just going to give up? Whatever your allegiance is, that's no fun. Come on, give us a defense. Yesterday Esther had both supporters and detractors, why not confide in a supporter? Waht is so flawed in asking her not to claim publicly? The way I thought of it (at the time) was that claiming a NA in thread would hurt town by guaranteeing her death. My vote, I feel, is sufficiently justified. The events since my vote just encourage me to keep my vote where it is.
mostlytechnic Posted June 30, 2013 Posted June 30, 2013 Yesterday Esther had both supporters and detractors, why not confide in a supporter? Waht is so flawed in asking her not to claim publicly? The way I thought of it (at the time) was that claiming a NA in thread would hurt town by guaranteeing her death. My vote, I feel, is sufficiently justified. The events since my vote just encourage me to keep my vote where it is. [assuming for the moment that Esther is town for the sake of this argument] And how does supporting her confirm to her that said person is a loyal town? No scum would support her in any way? I'd think with the town divided, the scum would be on both sides too. and like was said, how does a private claim to 1 person help her anyway? At best it'd get her 1 person who already supported her to support her more. [/end assuming]
MagPiesRUs Posted June 30, 2013 Posted June 30, 2013 Yesterday Esther had both supporters and detractors, why not confide in a supporter? Because there's no way to be sure whether said supporter is a townie or a Coyote. It's way too early in this game of life to be sure about someone's allegiance. Waht is so flawed in asking her not to claim publicly? The way I thought of it (at the time) was that claiming a NA in thread would hurt town by guaranteeing her death. I didn't say there was anything flawed in asking her to claim publicly. I said it was flawed to ask her to claim to someone in private, for the reasons I've already stated. Claiming in private does nothing to help her situation at all. My vote, I feel, is sufficiently justified. The events since my vote just encourage me to keep my vote where it is. Perhaps now you can say your vote is justified, but you voted for Esther before she made her vanilla claim. The reason you gave for voting for her was because she hadn't revealed her role in public yet. Which seems to go against everything you've just said.
Piratedave84 Posted June 30, 2013 Posted June 30, 2013 [assuming for the moment that Esther is town for the sake of this argument] And how does supporting her confirm to her that said person is a loyal town? No scum would support her in any way? I'd think with the town divided, the scum would be on both sides too. and like was said, how does a private claim to 1 person help her anyway? At best it'd get her 1 person who already supported her to support her more. [/end assuming] Considering the events that unfolded, this is kind of a pointless argument we are having here. I still stand by my point that claiming publicly is/was a bad move. I am pretty sure that the opposite Of your argument is true in that scum would probably have asked Esther to claim publicly in order to have a definitive fix on her role. I ask you the same question; how would asking someone to claim in private be a benefit to scum?
Peanuts Posted June 30, 2013 Posted June 30, 2013 Look, I'm the chances of me dying in the next 2 days are likely so I may as well accept it. There is nothing for me to defend myself from being lynched except that there are more potentially scum people. Anyway I'd like to request that the vigilante kills the "miller" and good luck to you all because your'e going to need it. As I said yesterday, I suspect that Sheridan is not miller but in fact just a goon making inroads into the town. I have two votes I can pursue, 1 for Sheridan which all of you will hound me tomorrow for not voting Esther or I could join the Bandwagon and vote Esther and still get lynched tomorrow. Wow, that pretty much comes out of nowhere. I have had my suspicions of you, as have other people I guess, but why so defeatist all of a sudden? And you have given no reason to kill Sheridan other than her Scapegoat claim. How can you expect the vigilante to follow up on this? Seriously, this just reads incredibly scmmy to me. With that said, it seems Esther has given up. I'm not sure if she is scum or town, but she has disturbed the town long enough. I vote: Esther (Esurient)
mostlytechnic Posted June 30, 2013 Posted June 30, 2013 Considering the events that unfolded, this is kind of a pointless argument we are having here. I still stand by my point that claiming publicly is/was a bad move. I am pretty sure that the opposite Of your argument is true in that scum would probably have asked Esther to claim publicly in order to have a definitive fix on her role. I ask you the same question; how would asking someone to claim in private be a benefit to scum? If she'd claimed a PR in private to any scum by mistake, then the whole scum team would know her role, and none of the town would. That's how it benefits. And then the scum could kill her or have her lynched and one of them fake-claim her role since we'd have no way to argue against it. They could then throw out all sorts of bad info.Sure, that's a long game to play but sure worth trying if you can get her to private claim to a scummo! Generally, public claims on day 1/2 are bad. But ONCE SHE'D CLAIMED TO HAVE A ROLE, THE DAMAGE WAS DONE and I see no reason not to get specific in public since the original claim was in public.
Piratedave84 Posted June 30, 2013 Posted June 30, 2013 If she'd claimed a PR in private to any scum by mistake, then the whole scum team would know her role, and none of the town would. That's how it benefits. And then the scum could kill her or have her lynched and one of them fake-claim her role since we'd have no way to argue against it. They could then throw out all sorts of bad info.Sure, that's a long game to play but sure worth trying if you can get her to private claim to a scummo! Generally, public claims on day 1/2 are bad. But ONCE SHE'D CLAIMED TO HAVE A ROLE, THE DAMAGE WAS DONE and I see no reason not to get specific in public since the original claim was in public. I have to say that your logic is pretty sound; I did not perceive it that way.
Tachyon Posted June 30, 2013 Posted June 30, 2013 Vote:Esther(Esurient) Ah well, looks like my spirit will depart from this world in the next 2 days from either a lynch or being night killed. At least I'm not a PR, just some regular townie who's going to die for being paranoid and acting "Suspiciously". Though being a vanilla townie, there ain't much of a case to defend myself.
Tamamono Posted June 30, 2013 Author Posted June 30, 2013 Vote Count Esther Thompson (Esurient) - 18 (LegoDad, Trumpetking, jamesn, TheBoyWonder, Kadabra, Bob, Kristel, CallMePie, Capt. Redblade, mostlytechnic, PirateDave84, Purpearljellyblob, Dannylonglegs, Adam, Scubacarrot, Esurient, Peanuts, Zakura) Kenneth Emanuel (KielDaMan) - 4 (penalty, penalty, penalty, penalty) No vote - 4 (Clanure, Mencot, TinyPiesRUs, KielDaMan) ~24.5 hours remain until Sunset. If a unanimous vote is reached, I will close the Day early.
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