Purpearljellyblob Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 The scum may have janitored him to create a bit of confusion, and try to pass him off as scum to get some of their own into a position of trust . Boris, since you said scum janitored Michael to their own advantage. In your opinion, who do you think would be in a good position of trust since Michael's allegiance is undetermined? And yesterday, I noticed your reasons for your vote for Michael was this: I do not want any penalty votes, and I don't like the way Michael seemed to pass suspicion onto Clay without ever stating reasons scummy... Boris, who are your suspicions for Day 5?
mostlytechnic Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 I agree that an investigator's results would definitely be better but she's dead so the best we have is a 'vanilla' result which combined with our gut feeling can be quite indicative. To further my answer to Kenneth, What harm is there in trying to narrow down who is town, the scum already know who we are so what's the harm in discussing it? Well, IMHO, the issue isn't trying to decide who is good and bad. It's declaring "cleared" rather than just saying "I think these are town, and I'm suspicious of those". It's that "cleared" is too strong of a term - hard to say I've EVER had someone I'd considered cleared in any town I've been in. There's always a way you could be wrong. There's several people - certainly Kenneth is now one of them - that I consider most likely to be town, but the only person I consider truly cleared is myself (and all the dead townies). And I only consider myself cleared TO MYSELF - I don't think anyone else should consider me cleared. I hope I'm trusted by people and that people think I'm town, but I don't think anyone could say 100% for sure I'm town other than me and the deity, since I know what my role PM said.
Peanuts Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 I agree that an investigator's results would definitely be better but she's dead so the best we have is a 'vanilla' result which combined with our gut feeling can be quite indicative. To further my answer to Kenneth, What harm is there in trying to narrow down who is town, the scum already know who we are so what's the harm in discussing it? If you assume too much, you may end up trusting the wrong people... But at least we can conclude that they are neither the killer nor the role cop, both of which are actions the scum definitely have.
TheBoyWonder Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 To be honest I don't really have any suspicions, I need to reread the previous day.
fhomess Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 I agree with Molly and Perry. We need to be careful that we're not clearing the wrong people. That said, let's move on to our suspect lists so we can focus on those we think are scummy. For my part, Boris is still reasonably high on my list. I also feel like Prudence, Damian, and Abigail warrant some additional prodding. I know there is likely another scum or two out there that doesn't fall into this group, but these are the names that I feel have been least helpful to the town cause so far.
Piratedave84 Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 If you assume too much, you may end up trusting the wrong people... But at least we can conclude that they are neither the killer nor the role cop, both of which are actions the scum definitely have. I was once the epicentre of a cataclysm that almost destroyed a town I was in and which made an adjective out of me so believe me when I say that I am VERY careful as to whom I trust and what I say!!! SNIP That said, let's move on to our suspect lists so we can focus on those we think are scummy. For my part, Boris is still reasonably high on my list. SNIP I don't have all the contributions handy, but I mau have time to get around to it but I noticed that Boris never once provided an actual analysis of behaviour. Today's contributions as an example are all one liners (maybe two) which don't bring anything to the discussion: So the scum have a janitor. Interesting that we have only just seen that. The scum may have janitored him to create a bit of confusion, and try to pass him off as scum to get some of their own into a position of trust . Just listing possibilities. That's all. I just don't like how people always seem to be acting as if the scums reasoning for actions must be clear as day. I answered a question. They asked what I meant by one of my previous statements so I clarified it. It wasn't even slightly 'so defensive'. Maybe it did sound aggressive, I didn't intend it to. To be honest I don't really have any suspicions, I need to reread the previous day. This pattern can be replicated for the past 4 days; Boris always addresses concerns raised about his behaviour but fails to assert his suspicions. Whatever accusations he has made have always been fairly light and rarely followed upon. His voting pattern, as I pointed out earlier, also points to someone either sheeping or reluctantly bandwagoning.
Adam Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 If you assume too much, you may end up trusting the wrong people... But at least we can conclude that they are neither the killer nor the role cop, both of which are actions the scum definitely have. This is true. Furthermore, narrowing down the list of vanillas gives the scum a better shot at PRs. If we consider the possibility that the scum have a role cop, then everything that we hear from Tristan's role cop has to be put in doubt and taken with a heavy grain of salt. Tristan (TrumpetKing) has said that he trusts this role cop, but I'm one of the people who believes that the scum has a role cop of their own, so I'm hesitant to believe that the town would have one as well. This pattern can be replicated for the past 4 days; Boris always addresses concerns raised about his behaviour but fails to assert his suspicions. Whatever accusations he has made have always been fairly light and rarely followed upon. His voting pattern, as I pointed out earlier, also points to someone either sheeping or reluctantly bandwagoning. Patrick (Piratedave84) raises a solid point - scum tend to be more reactive than proactive.
Piratedave84 Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 Pursuant to my post earlier, here are Boris's contribution for yesterday, again we can see a lot of reaction and very little action in terms of voicing suspicions; in fact I don't see one post where Boris specifically accuses/scrutinizes someone. Boris never even once mentionned Michael's name during the day and yet votes for him. Posted by TheBoyWonder on 06 July 2013 - 03:16 AM in LEGO Mafia and Role-Play Games I accept I am at the moment a main suspect. If anybody has any questions, I'd be happy to answer them. And as for the Poisoner, he seems to be working for the town at the moment, killing off all the suspects we have had so far; so I'd say we shouldn't reveal him. At least not yet. Posted by TheBoyWonder on 06 July 2013 - 05:53 AM in LEGO Mafia and Role-Play Games I'm honestly not sure, but I wouldn't be too surprised if the poisoner was the Vig. Posted by TheBoyWonder on 06 July 2013 - 07:45 AM in LEGO Mafia and Role-Play Games He is helping us remove potential scum and as such he deserves scrutiny? In what way is someone helping us harmful? The only people he has killed so far have been our suspects. That is hardly weeding us out. Posted by TheBoyWonder on 06 July 2013 - 10:07 AM in LEGO Mafia and Role-Play Games Shieeeeet. Jessica was the investigator? Crap. Did she say any of her investigations prior to getting scum killed? Posted by TheBoyWonder on 06 July 2013 - 02:56 PM in LEGO Mafia and Role-Play Games Oh come on. If I was scum, why the hell would I attempt to bolster a lynch against an investigator that was presumably known to the Scum? It would cast even more suspicion onto myself, and be an extremely bad scum move. I am just wondering if this is the only PR we have lost so far. Posted by TheBoyWonder on 06 July 2013 - 04:23 PM in LEGO Mafia and Role-Play Games Just like to make a point. I get pulled up for Metagaming, and everyone else does it and its fine? Sorry if this offends you, just thought I'd share my view of it. Posted by TheBoyWonder on 06 July 2013 - 05:28 PM in LEGO Mafia and Role-Play Games In case you didn't notice, he revealed her investigation targets and results. Posted by TheBoyWonder on 07 July 2013 - 03:57 AM in LEGO Mafia and Role-Play Games Right. I do have it when people quote me out of context. We were discussing why a scum would claim miller. So that invalidates your point about changing opinions on Day 1. I never once encouraged Connie to keep her suspicions private rather I did the opposite. I have explained several times why I voted for Esther, it wwasn't just because of megagaming. Give me actual questions that I can answer. Posted by TheBoyWonder on 07 July 2013 - 05:33 PM in LEGO Mafia and Role-Play Games Thats a good point, I only just noticed that. It sounds very odd, but I want to hear what he says first. I want to hear his reasoning. Posted by TheBoyWonder on 08 July 2013 - 01:58 AM in LEGO Mafia and Role-Play Games I see two possibilities. Kenneth is the Vig and Tristan is scum, or Kenneth is the SK and Tristan is town. I'm not sure really what one is right, and there is also a possibility the role cop was sabotaged in some way. I honestly don't feel comfortable voting Kenneth, so I shall consider my vote further. Posted by TheBoyWonder on 08 July 2013 - 11:14 AM in LEGO Mafia and Role-Play Games By sabotaged I meant that the Role Cop was lying and is scum, just wasn't sure how to word it. I'm also unsure of who to vote. If Kenneth Is the Poisoner, he has been very helpful to the town, so as of yet I don't feel comfortable. Wait a minute, surely if a Vigilante was investigated, their role would come up as Vigilante? I'm sorry, but in what universe would a vigilante (Which is a role) come up as Killer? And it just so happens, Jessica, a potential vigilante gets killed not long after being role copped, by the scum? It all points towards this role cop lying from my opinion. Posted by TheBoyWonder on 08 July 2013 - 11:44 AM in LEGO Mafia and Role-Play Games In my previous post I meant Kimberly, not Jessica. Posted by TheBoyWonder on 08 July 2013 - 02:49 PM in LEGO Mafia and Role-Play Games I do not want any penalty votes, and I don't like the way Michael seemed to pass suspicion onto Clay without ever stating reasons scummy. Therefore I shall Vote: Michael Thompson (Mencot)
TrumpetKing Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 That's interesting. I'm interested to hear what Boris has to say. Patrick, have you or will you be collecting any more of his posts to analyze? I'd like to hear any more thoughts you have on his behavior. To me, Boris is looking scummier due to his lack of contribution, and failure to name any of the suspects he has. He also seemed to get a somewhat defensive tone rather quickly. Boris, do you have any reasoning behind any of this?
Piratedave84 Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 That's interesting. I'm interested to hear what Boris has to say. Patrick, have you or will you be collecting any more of his posts to analyze? I'd like to hear any more thoughts you have on his behavior. To me, Boris is looking scummier due to his lack of contribution, and failure to name any of the suspects he has. He also seemed to get a somewhat defensive tone rather quickly. Boris, do you have any reasoning behind any of this? I would like to but it's very time consuming to copy all these 'telegraphs' ! (with the thread locked, I have to copy each one in an independent quote!) For the time being, the obvious thing here is that Boris does not like to accuse people and will eagerly sheep on others ideas!
Kadabra Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 Been trying to get y'all to notice that for a while. Shoulda just copy/pasted all his posts, huh?
Piratedave84 Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 Wall of text incoming! Day 3 is up, here you will notice 6 things are worth our attention: 1) Boris was suspicious of Zachary which later died that same day and turns up town 2) There are again no direct accusations and no suspicions 3) His defence regarding his vote for meta reasons reads like a "leave me alone" post and is quite defensive 4) Boris pressures Connie to offer up her suspicions while he has yet to offer any tangible information 5) Boris accuses Jessica of being scummy, Jessica dies later and proves to be town 6) My personal favorite, look at the last quote (his justification for his vote) .... does it not look familiar? Posted by TheBoyWonder on 02 July 2013 - 01:56 AM in LEGO Mafia and Role-Play Games Esther was town? Why the hell did she play that stupid game if she was town? .We are two nights in, and we have seen two kills, both of which are town. I'd be surprised if there wasn't a vigilante or SK, but there is a possibility they are either dead or were blocked. I also still don't like how the most suspicious person up to now was Esther, who has come up town. We haven't seen anything else. Nothing. Unless a PR knows something and we don't yet, I am quite worried about today's lynch. At this moment in time my main suspect is Zachary, someone who seems to be getting away with acting really odd, then gave up when suspicion was put on him, saying he expects to be killed. The others I am still considering and would like to keep under wraps for now. Posted by TheBoyWonder on 02 July 2013 - 04:08 PM in LEGO Mafia and Role-Play Games It depends how many scum we have. I would guess at least one member isn't in the Esther bandwagon, that way they can distance themselves and do the "Im a townie because I didn't vote for a townie" stuff. On the first day however, I wouldn't be surprised if they split about 50/50. Zachary is borderline incompetent, barely posting, and when he does its fluff. I highly doubt a scum team would let him do that, but if he is just an average goon, it is a possibility. Connie also is going down the fluff route, with that post on day 1. You could potentially paraphrase it too: 'Im posting for the sake of posting and this way I've posted and deferred some suspicion.' That is honestly how I read that post, whether Im right or not is another story. And it's 11 hours till voting starts I think, so hopefully one of the accused can answer some questions and give a defence. Posted by TheBoyWonder on 03 July 2013 - 01:58 AM in LEGO Mafia and Role-Play Games I highly doubt that was a mod kill. But independent or Day Vig is quite possible. Either way, I see that there is one less suspect, allowing us to put votes on others. Posted by TheBoyWonder on 03 July 2013 - 11:14 AM in LEGO Mafia and Role-Play Games Interesting. Your line about Esther first sounds like it is more of a personality problem you had with her, but then becomes reasonableish. Connie, you don't have to reveal your suspicions, but it puts pressure on them, which increases the chance of them slipping up. That is a good thing. So you don't have to reveal all your suspects but the occasional one is good. Posted by TheBoyWonder on 03 July 2013 - 03:50 PM in LEGO Mafia and Role-Play Games I'm not sure who to vote really. Good points have been raised against 3 people, but I find the point Kane raised about the relatively unsuspected Jessica. She has been flying under the radar, and has been a fluffy poster so far. Therefore, I shall Vote: Jessica (Jamesn) . Posted by TheBoyWonder on 03 July 2013 - 06:09 PM in LEGO Mafia and Role-Play Games Fair enough, I've got what I wanted. You've given a defence. Unvote:Jessica (Jamesn) And Beatrice, people want explanations and a defence from you, as do I. Posted by TheBoyWonder on 04 July 2013 - 10:52 AM in LEGO Mafia and Role-Play Games The vote was trying to get you to talk more, and when I saw how you responded, I didn't feel confident in voting you as you seemed quite townie. About the fluffy, under the radar comment. I'd hardly say I was flying under the radar, and I aim not to, as a townie should. I also believe everyone's view of under the radar differs. As for Beatrice, I don't think she is reading the thread. She obviously didnt see anyone wanting her to talk more, and possibly answer questions, despite several people doing it. Posted by TheBoyWonder on 04 July 2013 - 02:28 PM in LEGO Mafia and Role-Play Games For gods sake Jessica. How many times have I explained my reasoning for voting Jessica? It wasn't for some 'stupid meta reason' it was for a list of reasons, which I stated earlier. I voted after Kane because I thought he made a point, but I then thought you made a few good points so I didn't feel comfortable voting with you. Therefore I'd hardly say I voted wierdly. If you can explain why you found it 'weird', please do. And for the record, I find Beatrice worst at the moment, but am not voting just yet. Beatrice didn't acknowledge anyone suspicion of her decide there being a truckload of it. I want to hear more from her before I vote. Posted by TheBoyWonder on 04 July 2013 - 10:12 PM in LEGO Mafia and Role-Play Games To avoid penalty votes, and to lynch who I believe is worse, Vote: Beatrice (Bob) For being unhelpful, and not answering any questions put to him.
Tamamono Posted July 11, 2013 Author Posted July 11, 2013 Sunday, June 27th Noon Molly Tennant steps outside the saloon for a breather after yet another dance. Ever since the Kingsley boy inherited the saloon, he's been working her overtime. It's ridiculous, because there's practically nobody to come to her shows anymore - most of the single, horny men are dead! She sighs as she looks off over the horizon. This life is trying on her, but she's not about to let it get her down. Molly takes a deep breath and pretends again. She's a princess in a red velvet dress, looking out over her troubled subjects. It's about time for her to finish slacking and take care of them, she figures. Oh, why can't they take care of themselves? Silly subjects. She loves them anyway. Molly is about to set out to town square to freak everyone out by pretending to be royalty, but suddenly... "BLAERGH GRH RAGH LARG!!!" the beautiful princess turns into an ugly troll! Okay, not really. She's dead. That's the end of Molly Tennant (mostlytechnic). Sunday, June 27th, 1880 Silver City, AZ This strange "disease" has claimed yet another life - this time, it was Molly Tennant, the prostitute. Or dancer... or stripper, or whatever type of floozy she was. Again I wonder if this isn't the work of some sort of sinister poison... Unfortunately, once again, we don't have time to investigate her allegiance just yet - for now it will remain Unknown. Voting is now open, and will be for the next 48 hours. Everyone must vote.
Piratedave84 Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 FUUUUUUUUUUUU This is not good! we MUST lynch a scum today!
Kadabra Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 FUUUUUUUUUUUU This is not good! we MUST lynch a scum today! Which is why I shall Vote: Boris Wheeler (TheBoyWonder).
TrumpetKing Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 What?! I guess this shows that the poisoner no longer wants to work with us, as I saw Molly to be one of the more pro-town people here. Boris, speak up, as you're very deserving of a lynch. We want to hear what you have to say. .....And Molly never gave me the dance I asked for.
Capt. Redblade Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 I've outlined my suspicions about Boris several times in previous days, and I do think he's the best candidate for a lynch today. Vote: Boris Wheeler (TheBoyWonder)
Peanuts Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 I've voted for Boris yesterday, and I'm going to stick with my vote. About Molly, I didn't have a good read on her. Slightly townie perhaps, but not too much. Well, tomorrow we'll learn. Vote: Boris Wheeler (TheBoyWonder)
CMP Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 The Intuitive Carletta Emilia Benita Anne-Marie Rosita Jeanette Priscilla Lucia Annabelle Cecilia Maria Louisa Garcia Louisa Giuliana Vittoria Roberta Consuela Rosalina Margarita Puerta will vote: Boris Wheeler (TheBoyWonder), for reasons she has stated both today and yesterday. That's right, her name has two Louisas. Deal with it.
Piratedave84 Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 Well I made a case earlier and I think my vote is self-explanatory: vote: Boris (TheBoyWonder)
fhomess Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 I'm in agreement on this one: Vote: Boris Wheeler (TheBoyWonder)
TheBoyWonder Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 So glad to see I'm getting lynched today when I've been busy, and have stated so. Just like to let you think about something. Who is the only major town suspect that hasn't been killed by the poisoner or lynched?
Piratedave84 Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 So glad to see I'm getting lynched today when I've been busy, and have stated so. Just like to let you think about something. Who is the only major town suspect that hasn't been killed by the poisoner or lynched? Sheridan?
TheBoyWonder Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 I have been a suspect every day, and every other suspect minus Sheridan I have helped eliminate.
fhomess Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 Sheridan? I thought he meant himself. I have been a suspect every day, and every other suspect minus Sheridan I have helped eliminate. Ah.... so now you're telling us you're the poisoner. Why then, did you kill Molly instead of Sheridan?
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