Tamamono Posted August 28, 2013 Author Posted August 28, 2013 Vote Count Jamie Neville (jamesn) - 1 (Capt. Redblade) Adelaide Malone (Adam ) - 1 (jamesn) Penelope Talbott (Palathadric) - 1 (Bob) 20.5 hours remain until Dawn.
Adam Posted August 28, 2013 Posted August 28, 2013 Wait, let's go over this again. So you have a strong feeling against policy lynching. Do you have reasons (you haven't given any), or is it just irrational and hostile? So now policy lynching is a well-debated topic that deserves our attention, but you are very much against it? You are very clearly, without any misinterpretation, spouting mixed messages. You know, that rustles my jimmies Jamies the wrong way. I think you're my "best bet" for scum now. Vote: Adelaide Malone (Adam) And, Rolfie, I would contend that if you have to argue about people's behaviour surrounding a "policy lynch", it devolves into an argument about the lynchee's scumminess, turning it into a normal lynch. I stated that I am personally against policy lynching, which does not change the fact that there are people who believe otherwise. I quite clearly declared that I was suspicious of people who are irrationally hostile to others for their honest opinions - while I dislike the policy lynch, I have never angrily reacted against someone because they support it (or any other gameplay mechanic or strategy). If you look at my statement to Cap'n Rolfe (Capt. Redblade), you'll see that I explained reasoning against the policy lynch in a logical and reasonable manner: By the way Cap'n Rolfe (Capt. Redblade), I agree that voting is very important in this particular game... of life because of our inability to talk privately, which seriously inhibits PR's (I wonder if the Ferrari's are also unable to talk to one another? The rules don't really specify that...). That said, policy lynching sucks for the mere reason that it prevents the town from lynching somebody who could legitimately be scum. You've voted for Jamie (jamesn) apparently because you think he's scummy, and you've outlined your reasons why, which is the kind of action that the town should be taking, not policy lynching. I think it's reasonable for me to say that a certain element of gameplay is debatable, state my opinion on it, and then not detail all of the viewpoints and arguments for each and every side on the matter. There have been plenty of arguments against policy lynching made by others here as well, yourself included, so I figured I wouldn't need to parrot them on those points. In fact, part of my opposition to policy lynching is that I have been the unfortunate Townie victim of it in past games... of life. In my experience (and in my readings of Tammie's books), I'm not sure I've ever seen a policy lynch that has done anything but hurt the town. You state in your accusation that you are voting "without any misinterpretation", but I think you did misinterpret what I said. If any part of what I have said, am saying, or will say is unclear, then please let me know and I will try to be more concise and clear in the future.
TrumpetKing Posted August 28, 2013 Posted August 28, 2013 Tony and I aren't liking what we've seen from The Great Byron here. He comes here early, posts some role-play, accuses Colin of making a big deal, when I read it as Colin not being serious, and then he just comes back and votes for someone because "something about them seems off", and "some of the things she's said seem peculiar". I've only seen one thing pointed out, which is the only thing I've noticed. Byron, is there anything else? I really don't care for gut votes, either, but that's just me. I can't help but feel maybe at the beginning you were trying to apply some pressure onto Colin, and are now trying to come and apply pressure to Penelope, when only one thing she's said has struck me as odd. Vote: The Great Byron (Bob) Please do explain yourself.
Tamamono Posted August 28, 2013 Author Posted August 28, 2013 Vote Count Jamie Neville (jamesn) - 1 (Capt. Redblade) Adelaide Malone (Adam ) - 1 (jamesn) Penelope Talbott (Palathadric) - 1 (Bob) The Great Byron (Bob) - 1 (Trumpetking) 16 hours remain until Dawn.
def Posted August 28, 2013 Posted August 28, 2013 If we had to vote, I'd vote for Penelope. At this point, I don't want to see a bandwagon form without her being able to properly defend herself and the rest of us being able to switch votes/unvote if needed. Hopefully, on night two, we can get the ball rolling earlier so that we have more to work with.
Shadows Posted August 28, 2013 Posted August 28, 2013 Despite my hesitance to take a shot in the dark, I would still vote if there was something even slightly more solid than what I've seen tonight. Since we aren't required to vote, I'm certainly not going to place one that would amount to no more than pure guesswork, that can't help our situation. I hope I can be more helpful tomorrow.
Tamamono Posted August 28, 2013 Author Posted August 28, 2013 Vote Count Jamie Neville (jamesn) - 1 (Capt. Redblade) Adelaide Malone (Adam ) - 1 (jamesn) Penelope Talbott (Palathadric) - 1 (Bob) The Great Byron (Bob) - 1 (Trumpetking) 7.5 hours remain until Dawn.
CorneliusMurdock Posted August 28, 2013 Posted August 28, 2013 My thoughts before the end of the night. No one's been particularly quiet. Not particularly helpful either but being the first day, that's to be expected. I think there was some planting of confusion seeds by people equating a first day lynch with a "policy lynch" or randomness. I think there are definitely some logical fallacies going around. That reminds me, I should really find the helmet to this suit so I don't have to breathe the same air as those contaminated. I'd hate to come down with a case of the stupids at such a critical time. The biggest thing that an agrument against first day lynches does is cause no one to want to vote. So then all that happens is first day fluff. What will we have tomorrow? No more information than we have today but with a few dead Malones. Especially in this open format, we need to be proactive. My biggest suspicion right now is Shane. I think it's very possible that he's an italian sports car in disguise. I don't have any evidence so I don't feel a vote is justified in his case, but I probably trust him less right now than anyone else. We need to do better tomorrow or we'll all be dead fairly quickly. I don't know about you guys but I'd like to remain above ground for the forseeable future.
TheBoyWonder Posted August 28, 2013 Posted August 28, 2013 To be honest, I have no bloody idea who these ferraris are at this particular moment, and I don't feel comfortable voting just yet.
Peanuts Posted August 28, 2013 Posted August 28, 2013 Hm, I said that someone certainly would come up as suspicious, but it appears I was wrong. There's nobody who was particularly scummy. A few people stood out, especially the vote against penelope, which seemed to come out of nowhere. Dexter seems to agree with that vote, but said he didn't want to vote for someone who couldn't defend themselves. That makes me wonder what kind of defense he expected. Penelope hasn't replied to that vote yet, too, but maybe she wasn't available. In general, it's the most interesting vote I've seen there. I said before I was against a policy vote, so I guess I'll withhold my vote. I'm not happy about it, though.
Dragonator Posted August 28, 2013 Posted August 28, 2013 Hmm, well this is a bit of a shambolic start. Four votes started, none in the lead, but we're not really going to learn much from nothing. Then again, a shot in the dark doesn't help us much either so... I think I'll go back to smoothing down the feathers of my latest masterpiece.
Cecilie Posted August 28, 2013 Posted August 28, 2013 I find it interesting that even the people saying we must vote and lynch are not voting today, like Donny. I'm afraid we're going to enter the next day with as little information as we had today, so hopefully there will be more talk tomorrow so we can get somewhere. Looks like it's too late to reach a majority now anyway. Not that anyone has really acted particularly scummy, but that usually doesn't stop people on day 1 .
Bob Posted August 28, 2013 Posted August 28, 2013 Tony and I aren't liking what we've seen from The Great Byron here. He comes here early, posts some role-play, accuses Colin of making a big deal, when I read it as Colin not being serious, and then he just comes back and votes for someone because "something about them seems off", and "some of the things she's said seem peculiar". I've only seen one thing pointed out, which is the only thing I've noticed. Byron, is there anything else? I really don't care for gut votes, either, but that's just me. I can't help but feel maybe at the beginning you were trying to apply some pressure onto Colin, and are now trying to come and apply pressure to Penelope, when only one thing she's said has struck me as odd. Vote: The Great Byron (Bob) Please do explain yourself. I thought I did explain myself? I said I was mostly poking at Penelope because I found a few of her statements to be curious and odd.
Tamamono Posted August 28, 2013 Author Posted August 28, 2013 Vote Count Jamie Neville (jamesn) - 1 (Capt. Redblade) Adelaide Malone (Adam ) - 1 (jamesn) Penelope Talbott (Palathadric) - 1 (Bob) The Great Byron (Bob) - 1 (Trumpetking) 1 hour remains until Dawn.
Palathadric Posted August 28, 2013 Posted August 28, 2013 After the last time a criminal organisation tried to lynch quieter members didn't end well, I am extremely reluctant to suggest that. What's the panic? Afraid of getting lynched for being quiet. Why not speak up more? Fair enough. The initial wording made it sound like you were saying we should do nothing. I was going to add that, if the policy lynch has an upside, it's that analyzing the voting patterns therein can be a good jumping-off point on the next day. When a townie is lynched on the first day, it allows town to look for clues in who said what and who accused/defended whom and who jumped on what bandwagon. Occasionally you will find a scum who was too eager to put the screws to a defenceless townie on the first day and thus presents themselves as an easy lynch. Yes, the Day One lynch is more often than not a bit of a gong show, but its worth can be bared out in subsequent days. Funny post, this. Why are you backing away from Shane so quickly, especially since the conclusion you came to seems to have nothing to do with what Shane was talking about. How did he say that we should not do nothing? Of course there is always something you can learn from lynching any random person. More often or not though, it's not worth the cost if we lynch one of our own. The problem is that just saying this isn't going to help immediately, or even at all, and this is where I can see voting for quieter people to come in handy. While I definitely don't think lynching those who are quiet, I feel that a few votes on them is warranted, just as a reminder to speak up. I don't know what's the point in voting for someone if you have no real intention of lynching them. If a person knows that you have no intention of lynching them then why would a couple votes cause them to speak up? Maybe I don't think like others though. I don't see Lord Byron or Tam's father suddenly jabbering away because we cast a few votes for them. Now, this is unhelpful. Scum will try to lynch, and scum will hide in the shadows. I hereby proclaim Penelope as waffly. I don't know how likely scum are to try to lead lynches on Day 1, but I guess they have not much to worry about since on Day 2 it, more often than not, turns out to be a "oops, let's move on" situation anyway. You probably know better than I do though. Also, I don't find waffles amusing. If you was paying attention, you would know I already explained (in the very post you quoted) what there is to be loined from a policy lynch. We can dissect and analyze how people behave, how they vote, and when they vote. We can see who's bandwagoning, who's flip-flopping, who's not doing anything, who's accusing whom, and who's defending or possibly colluding with whom. Behaviour analysis allows us to separate the scum from the dumb, but we can only analyze behaviour if we talk. Sometimes, as I said, an overeager scum will slip up on Day One and they can then be dealt with on Day Two. But if you're policy lynching a lot of these things could be seen as either scum signs or town signs. The line is very vague when you're just lynching for the sake of it. What counts then is more whether the person is, in general, in favour of policy lynches or not. Of course, if you happen to randomly select scum, that may be different. But I think everyone here just about, can agree that policy lynching is not advisable and, generally speaking, worthless, although you still seem to be in strong favour of it which is not bad, but at first I thought you were just confused about what it meant. Now with your sticking to your guns about how useful it can be I wonder if you're just putting on a show because a lot of people seem to think that stubbornness is a towntell. Vote: Officer Penelope Talbott \ Palathadric She doesn't exactly sit well with me. I'm throwing this out there as a potential person that's a bit off in my opinion. Just some of the things she's said are a bit peculiar. So you're just throwing out the vote and hoping that someone else will find something to actually accuse me for? And to think that I just protected you from that dastardly monkey. I don't know who I personally find the most suspicious, but right now quite close to the top would be our captain and Jamie. The captain seems to have his own ideas about what policy lynching is that contradict others, I could be wrong about this, though. However, I think his vote against Jamie seems odd, especially since the first point he mentioned seems taken quite significantly out of context and the second point is highly debatable as to how much we can actually learn from a policy lynch. Jamie seems to have spoken reasonably enough throughout, but her vote against Adelaide was kind of out of the blue and again seemed to be taking Adelaide's statements out of context. Shane's lethargic ways are of course somewhat suspicious. Perhaps he's trying to get himself accused for a silly thing early on, so that when he gets more involved people will forget about him and somehow get the impression that he was cleared. It seems funny, but I hear that scum sometimes do use this tactic, though perhaps I'm not explaining it quite right.
TheBoyWonder Posted August 28, 2013 Posted August 28, 2013 No, I just think policy lynches are the stupidest thing we can do. What if they are a PR and have a very valid reason for being quiet? We shouldn't run the risk.
Tamamono Posted August 28, 2013 Author Posted August 28, 2013 Final Vote Count Jamie Neville (jamesn) - 1 (Capt. Redblade) Adelaide Malone (Adam ) - 1 (jamesn) Penelope Talbott (Palathadric) - 1 (Bob) The Great Byron (Bob) - 1 (Trumpetking) No vote - 14 (TheBoyWonder, Adam, Kristel, CorneliusMurdock, Cecilie, Pandora, Dragonator, Peanuts, Purpearljellyblob, Shadows, Captain Nemo, Darkdragon, Palathadric, def) ~~~ August 24th, 2005 New Brickland, Florida 5:35 A.M. As the first Dawn of the incident befalls the family, everyone gathers at the dock next to the Pizzeria for Tam Malone's end-of-night speech. However, listening is about the last thing these sleep deprived maniacs feel like doing. Behind the group, Dexter Fairbanks kneels before the dead cat, cradling its broken body in his arms. It had since been used as a chew toy for Pablo, Adelaide's chihuahua, so it's now covered in dry blood as well. "No! Kitty! " Dexter wails "You poor, noble creature! I shall avenge you!" "Wait, aren't you the tough guy? " a confused Penny inquires as she awkwardly tries to comfort Dexter. "Why are you mourning a dead cat??" Behind the two of them, Jamie Neville mourns something else - her fifth drink. "I... I'm turnin' inta... a thlime monthter!" she manages to get out before collapsing in her own vomit. In the middle of the group, Byron does a little jig in his spiffy hat. "Gee whiz, I sure do look spiffy! " he remarks as he jigs a little more. Patricia turns to him and gives a heavy sigh. "Byr-Byr, is that the hat the dead cat came out of?" she asks, not quite wanting to know the answer. "Oh... well... of course it is, my dear!" Byron stumbles on his initial reply but finishes confidently. "Where else would I find such a spiffy hat!?" "Bu korkunç, that's disgusting!" Doğukan exclaims. "What if it sheds cat guts all over your gorgeous tuxedo!?!?" Tired of his family's tomfoolery, Tam fires his gun into the air. "Eeek! Big Bro!!" Kristina squeals. "Enough of this." Tam demands. "Now, you've had all night to come up with a Ferrari..." "so, who is Bruno here going to be sending to sleep with the fishes?" Tam asks the group with a flourish of his gun. Speaking for the group, Kristina answers her brother. "U-uhm... Big Bro... I'm sorry, but we weren't able to come up with anyone..." she stammers. Sighing deeply, Tam turns around. "This situation is going to be far more complicated than I originally thought..." he mutters to himself. "Back to your homes," he shouts over his shoulder, "get some rest." It was going to be a short night. ~~~ Day 2 will be up shortly.
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