Mafia After Dark - Night 2: Mean Streets

[Pandora]

What the hell?? We have to deal with zombies now?? Are you kidding me? And the fact we're at risk of dying during the night as well as the day is distinctly unsettling.

Uncle Colin, I don't think you need to keep your vote on Shane anymore. On the plus side, the zombie didn't eat Shane, so hopefully there won't be more zombies, although any number of zombies greater than zero is bad. Do Ferraris keep zombies in their employ? I doubt it somehow.

Look. I'll explain it. By not existing I meant as in not alive. I had got Donny and Dogukan or however you spell it confused. Therefore I thought that Dogukan was dead. That is why I said it

You're sounding a teensie bit defensive there Terrence. Keen to explain a point I'd forgotten about even, and sounding mighty huffy as you do so.

Looking at the votes and what's been discussed I'm not convinced either Byr-Byr or Rolfe are scummy enough to be voteworthy. The tallies are still close, and frankly I'd rather vote for someone who's only contributed fluff. I will vote: Doğukan Akbulut (Dragonator), because at least Byron and Rolfe are actually looking at things and trying to help, or at least that's how they both seem to me right now. I realise I'm not voting for the "hot favourite", so I'll be here until very nearly dawn to change my vote if we're lacking a majority, as I believe we need a conviction today.

[jimmynick]

It's curious that the killer is a zombie, as opposed to a blacked-out mysterious figure. Perhaps that is the third party?

[Peanuts]

When you voted, there were 0 votes against Penelope, 3 against Doğukan (copy-paste) and 2 against dear Rolfie. Either you're scum or you're not reading at all. If you don't think Byron is scum but you think the tailor could be, you should vote for the tailor.

We really cannot do with a no-lynch today, guys!

Why are you introducing a new candidate so late in the day?

If necessary. I think Dogukan could be scum because he hasn't said anything that makes me think he is town (in fact, he said nothing at all, which is pretty bad). However, I will vote for Rolfe over him, because Rolfe is a bigger suspect. But if Dogukan should get enough votes so there's a chance he will get lynched (he would need six votes in 4 hours, which seems unlikely), I will change my vote. If Penelope should get that many votes for whatever reason I would vote for her, because I expressed my suspicion of her earlier.

I wonder who killed Shane. That sounds like a scum kill, to be honest. Shane wasn't a person who is likely to attract an SK. Even though hatchets are traditionally SK weapons, I'd guess the real SK (or a vig) killed Donny and Shane was murdered by the scum.

[Captain Nemo]

When you voted, there were 0 votes against Penelope, 3 against Doğukan (copy-paste) and 2 against dear Rolfie. Either you're scum or you're not reading at all. If you don't think Byron is scum but you think the tailor could be, you should vote for the tailor.

We really cannot do with a no-lynch today, guys!

Why are you introducing a new candidate so late in the day?

Well to reply to your earlier comment about Penelope, the reason I find her off from the begining is both her strange posts early on, as well as her trying to come off as the "good" cop among theives--which is strange since she's a corrupt cop. Really, it's just a gut thing for me with her, and I cannot prove anything, but that's just how I feel.

You however are making me feel like your either scummy or good friends with Bryon. You insist we need a vote today, but only if it's not Bryon. I too don't find him too scummy, and that's why I didn't vote for him, but you above all are trying to save him and send in Captain Rolfe's head instead. Do you know something about Bryon that makes you fight for him so much--he doesn't even fight for himself that much?!

Anyways, more importantly you do bring up this:

I know that it's hard to defend against, Shane. You haven't slipped up as a scum, I just see things the way I see them.

Vote: Shane Donalds (Shadows)

Am I the only gal who finds it just a bit odd that only 20 so minutes after Colin votes for Shane, the former shows up axed to death?

For the record, I'm not too surprised with a second killer, since there was information about independants, but this seems different than the first killing (At least less classy). I feel it's a SK and not a vig or car kill. That may also explain the odd time of the kill--though Colin may beable to explain that?

[jimmynick]

I too don't find him too scummy, and that's why I didn't vote for him, but you above all are trying to save him and send in Captain Rolfe's head instead. Do you know something about Bryon that makes you fight for him so much--he doesn't even fight for himself that much?!

Good. My meta-reading says that Byron isn't very scummy, which is why I don't want to vote for him. His style is not to talk much at all. I have already said I think both Byron and dear Rolfie are town and that the scum are messing with us.

The tailor, on the other hand, is scummy and has a decent chance of being today's lynch candidate.

[Peanuts]

Well to reply to your earlier comment about Penelope, the reason I find her off from the begining is both her strange posts early on, as well as her trying to come off as the "good" cop among theives--which is strange since she's a corrupt cop. Really, it's just a gut thing for me with her, and I cannot prove anything, but that's just how I feel.

You know that a good portion of that reason is roleplaying, right? And what about her strange posts early on, when exactly is early? Because her earliest posts were roleplaying as well. I'm all against Penelope, but you're not making a good case

You however are making me feel like your either scummy or good friends with Bryon. You insist we need a vote today, but only if it's not Bryon. I too don't find him too scummy, and that's why I didn't vote for him, but you above all are trying to save him and send in Captain Rolfe's head instead. Do you know something about Bryon that makes you fight for him so much--he doesn't even fight for himself that much?!

He is against lynching Rolfe...

Anyways, more importantly you do bring up this:

Am I the only gal who finds it just a bit odd that only 20 so minutes after Colin votes for Shane, the former shows up axed to death?

For the record, I'm not too surprised with a second killer, since there was information about independants, but this seems different than the first killing (At least less classy). I feel it's a SK and not a vig or car kill. That may also explain the odd time of the kill--though Colin may beable to explain that?

It's odd, but I doubt he'd vote for him if he was going to kill him. Especially if he's an SK. Why do you feel it's an SK kill? How does that explain the timing?

You'll have to elaborate a bit more, right now, you aren't helping a lot.

[Capt. Redblade]

My guess is the zombie represents an SK who can kill during the day night. I remember this one book I read about a town in the Old West where a snake charmer/lawyer used a time-delayed kill against the town, and he himself was a third party. This town was also run by some army guy who I think was an ancestor of the Malones, so there's precedent for this sort of thing.

As for choice of target, Shane is an experienced mafioso. He'd probably be high on the list for metagame-kills, and thus a relatively "safe" target.

[Captain Nemo]

You know that a good portion of that reason is roleplaying, right? And what about her strange posts early on, when exactly is early? Because her earliest posts were roleplaying as well. I'm all against Penelope, but you're not making a good case

It's odd, but I doubt he'd vote for him if he was going to kill him. Especially if he's an SK. Why do you feel it's an SK kill? How does that explain the timing?

You'll have to elaborate a bit more, right now, you aren't helping a lot.

Again, it's a gut thing--I don't have anything I can prove about her. And you already seem to have made up your own mind, so you must have your own evidence against her.

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Shane death wise, I feel he was killed by a SK/independant rather than a vig or the Ferraris for a few reasons. First, it's not nearly the same fashion as the first kill (Obviously the first difference being a Zombie killer instead of yesterday's classy Suit figure); this seperates them being from the same sourse. Secondly, this kill's timing was different than the first one, which took place in broad daylight, as opposed to here being both at night, and at a strange hour in the day, just a few hours before voting ends (Rather than the first kill which was in the middle of the day). Finally, this doesn't come off as a vig kill to me, since it's both a horrific night time murder, and most of the time, the vig would stay hidden in a black figure shape like scum do--here the Zombie is clearly showing his face, and displaying that he's the one who killed Shane. Only SK's urge police to try and catch them. Ergo this together leads me to believe it's an independant/SK kill.

And finally, please don't say that I'm not helping--there's not much to work with, and I'm working to make things out of what's going on. Helping would be adding in your own comments on the subject, and not just asking others about theirs so you don't have to supply any of your own.

[Peanuts]

Again, it's a gut thing--I don't have anything I can prove about her. And you already seem to have made up your own mind, so you must have your own evidence against her.

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Shane death wise, I feel he was killed by a SK/independant rather than a vig or the Ferraris for a few reasons. First, it's not nearly the same fashion as the first kill (Obviously the first difference being a Zombie killer instead of yesterday's classy Suit figure); this seperates them being from the same sourse. Secondly, this kill's timing was different than the first one, which took place in broad daylight, as opposed to here being both at night, and at a strange hour in the day, just a few hours before voting ends (Rather than the first kill which was in the middle of the day). Finally, this doesn't come off as a vig kill to me, since it's both a horrific night time murder, and most of the time, the vig would stay hidden in a black figure shape like scum do--here the Zombie is clearly showing his face, and displaying that he's the one who killed Shane. Only SK's urge police to try and catch them. Ergo this together leads me to believe it's an independant/SK kill.

And finally, please don't say that I'm not helping--there's not much to work with, and I'm working to make things out of what's going on. Helping would be adding in your own comments on the subject, and not just asking others about theirs so you don't have to supply any of your own.

Well, that's a lot better. Don't just tell us what you think, tell us why you think so. That's what I mean with not helping a lot. You won't convince anyone otherwise.

I definitely don't think Donny and Shane were killed by the same person, since one was killed in the day and one in the night, so I agree with you about that. However, I'd say this kill looks more like a scum kill, because Shane is regarded as well-experienced and hence more likely to be protected/watched, and SKs usually are less keen on killing high-profile targets than on just getting a safe kill. Donny would have made an excellent SK target regarding that, since he didn't attract enough attention to warrant protection. At least that's my opinion.

[Purpearljellyblob]

Right now, the person that doesn't sit well with me is Colin. Colin called Byron out during Night 1 for roleplaying and then justified his actions by stating that he intended to get everyone to talk so as to weed out scum. Colin said he was suspicious of Shane but just sat around, did little to justify his initial suspicions. I feel more justified if my vote goes to Colin but seeing how he wouldn't get lynched tonight, and we need to lynch, I Vote: The Great Byron (Bob)

As for Shane's death, looks like we have to deal with a zombie killer now, which makes me think that it is more likely to be a sk/independent kill.

[Tamamono]

Vote Count

The Great Byron (Bob) - 6 (Capt. Redblade, Trumpetking, def, Palathadric, Cecilie, Purpearljellyblob)

Cap'n Rolfe (Capt. Redblade) - 3 (Adam, Captain Nemo, Peanuts)

Doğukan Akbulut (Dragonator) - 3 (Bob, Kristel, jamesn)

A dead person (Shadows) - 1 (CorneliusMurdock)

2 hours until Dawn.

[jimmynick]

Two quick notes:

You're sounding a teensie bit defensive there Terrence. Keen to explain a point I'd forgotten about even, and sounding mighty huffy as you do so.

That's Bernard you're talking to, not Terrence.

I will vote: Doğukan Akbulut (Dragonator)

Perhaps you should check the format of your vote?

[Pandora]

That's Bernard you're talking to, not Terrence.

Oops, apologies Terrence. But I still think Bernard sounded a bit defensive there.

Perhaps you should check the format of your vote?

Thank you, yes. However I shall be retiring for my early morning nap soon, so I'll take this opportunity to change my vote. Nobody has joined after me to vote for Doğukan, and had I spoken properly it would have been 6 to Byr-Byr and 4 to Doğukan. Neither is enough for a conviction. Reluctantly, to get us closer to a lynch, I will vote: The Great Byron (Bob), but the fact that there was no movement to follow up the vote on the most unhelpful Doğukan is interesting.

[Tamamono]

Vote Count

The Great Byron (Bob) - 7 (Capt. Redblade, Trumpetking, def, Palathadric, Cecilie, Purpearljellyblob, Pandora)

Cap'n Rolfe (Capt. Redblade) - 3 (Adam, Captain Nemo, Peanuts)

Doğukan Akbulut (Dragonator) - 3 (Bob, Kristel, jamesn)

A dead person (Shadows) - 1 (CorneliusMurdock)

1.5 hours until Dawn.

[TrumpetKing]

There's a zombie killer now?? Hmm, I think it's going to be interesting to see if this ends up being a vig or a serial killer, as Shane was seen as scummy by some people. Candy raises some interesting points about why she thinks it's a serial killer, and they make sense, but time will tell whether this zombie is townsided or not.

Jamie, I had explained that the only point I had noticed at the time was the one Dexter had made, so I didn't want to restate it shortly after he made a case.

[Kristel]

Nobody has joined after me to vote for Doğukan, and had I spoken properly it would have been 6 to Byr-Byr and 4 to Doğukan. Neither is enough for a conviction. Reluctantly, to get us closer to a lynch, I will vote: The Great Byron (Bob), but the fact that there was no movement to follow up the vote on the most unhelpful Doğukan is interesting.

I agree that the lack of support for voting for Doğukan is interesting. Another thing I also noted was that he hasn't come back to address the votes against him. Surely, if scum, his fellow Ferraris would have been on to him to at least post something?

I appreciate it is late in the night, but I will reluctantly do this in order to move us forward, one way or another. I say reluctantly because I am on the fence about Byron - I don't think he has been particularly helpful, but I'm not convinced he's scum either.

Unvote: Doğukan Akbulut (Dragonator)

Vote: The Great Byron (Bob)

[Tamamono]

Vote Count

The Great Byron (Bob) - 8 (Capt. Redblade, Trumpetking, def, Palathadric, Cecilie, Purpearljellyblob, Pandora, Kristel)

Cap'n Rolfe (Capt. Redblade) - 3 (Adam, Captain Nemo, Peanuts)

Doğukan Akbulut (Dragonator) - 2 (Bob, jamesn)

A dead person (Shadows) - 1 (CorneliusMurdock)

Remember, 9 votes are required to convict someone!

1 hour until Dawn.

[jimmynick]

I agree that the lack of support for voting for Doğukan is interesting. [....] Surely, if scum, his fellow Ferraris would have been on to him to at least post something?

Yes, the fact it's not been supported is interesting. It makes me think that other scummos don't want to vote for him. But you seem to have trouble deciding whether that, and his lack of response, makes him townish or scummish. Which?

I think we need to cut our losses today because Tam threatened bad things would occur if we didn't lynch someone. I am unhappy with this, but:

Unvote: Doğukan Akbulut (Dragonator)

Vote: The Great Byron (Bob)

[Tamamono]

Vote Count

The Great Byron (Bob) - 9 (Capt. Redblade, Trumpetking, def, Palathadric, Cecilie, Purpearljellyblob, Pandora, Kristel, jamesn)

Cap'n Rolfe (Capt. Redblade) - 3 (Adam, Captain Nemo, Peanuts)

Doğukan Akbulut (Dragonator) - 1 (Bob)

A dead person (Shadows) - 1 (CorneliusMurdock)

Less than an hour until Dawn.

[def]

Gah! Hopefully the non-lynch penalty is just a slap on the wrists this time around

*Nevermind, cross-post

[jimmynick]

Do you want to cancel the lynch then? I'd be up for it if someone else agrees.

Okie-doke.

[def]

Do you want to cancel the lynch then? I'd be up for it if someone else agrees.

I think we need a lynch to have something to look at later. If Byron is scum, we'll have a lot of other people to look at who wanted a different lynch. If he comes up town, Dogun is worth taking a look at, since I agree that people really weren't considering him.

It's far too late to change lynch though. Town's fault for being lazy/hesitant early in the day. We really need to start early to have an effective discussion.

[Kristel]

Yes, the fact it's not been supported is interesting. It makes me think that other scummos don't want to vote for him. But you seem to have trouble deciding whether that, and his lack of response, makes him townish or scummish. Which?

The lack of suuport to vote for him suggests to me he is scum.

The fact that he hasn't come back makes me think he might be town.

I don't know which is correct.

[Dragonator]

Seems I made it back just before the closing of proceedings, how splendid. Almost as splendid as this fabulous coat I prepared for you Bernard! You'll show up your son in this fine Tangerine coat, I even have some turquoise spats here for you somewhere...

On the serious business, one observation I'd like to make is that I find it very strange Kristina had such a bone to pick with the late Shane, and now he turns up dead at the hands of a... zombie. That combined with her insistence on trying to frame poor me as a baddie has my feathers all in a ruffle. Since we have a majority, I'll Vote: Kristina Malone (Kristel) as someone that I think is worth keeping a close eye on.

As for the Day, well you can't really blame a busy man like me for wanting some beauty sleep! I didn't even know I was expected show up during the Day, it's not like we made any progress there... someone died and some letter was found, did anything else exciting happen? Others like Colin popped in, yawned, said nothing much happened and then left again, why was their "contribution" any less suspicious than mine, hmm Kristina? I would have thought saying something useless like that would be more suspicious as it's clear they're just trying to keep up appearances, so to speak. I at least was honest and didn't say anything when there was nothing to be said.

Bit of a strange night this one but hopefully we can at least do away with some of the trivial accusations flying around.

[CorneliusMurdock]

That was trippy. I certainly did not expect that to happen. If I'd known some weird zombie thing was going to chop him up, I would have held off on my vote a bit. But since zombies beget more zombies, I'm willing to let my vote ride just in case an undead Shane proves to be as suspicious as a not-dead one.

Priscilla, I explained my initial suspicions and why I didn't act on them yesterday. And I'm sorry that I've been distracted today. That ostrich being so freakily familiar with his accusing eyes is not something that I anticipated.

Out of curiosity, are you more or less suspicious of me since the person I believed to be scummy is now dead? And how exactly would I have any more information about such a thing than anyone else? If anything it stinks of a frame job to me. And a lazy one at that.