Tony Smith Posted October 16, 2013 Posted October 16, 2013 How about sharing your thoughts with us? You're not helping by just keeping it to yourself. I believe I've shared the thoughts that I've made and now I am going to make new thoughts. Why? Why remove me? This makes you look even more scummy; I am scrutinizing you and you turn around and say I am no longer a suspect of yours without any justification. if you thought this would alleviate the presure, you were wrong; Vote: Tony Smith Once again my actions are misunderstood. Am I supposed to have a constant list that is unable to change? The fact that you are scrutinising me tells me that you're either an over zealous townie or an extremely deceptive scum that's trying to make herself look good by attempting to vote out someone. I'm willing to bet on the former, though.
Anne Truitt Posted October 16, 2013 Posted October 16, 2013 I believe I've shared the thoughts that I've made and now I am going to make new thoughts. Once again my actions are misunderstood. Am I supposed to have a constant list that is unable to change? The fact that you are scrutinising me tells me that you're either an over zealous townie or an extremely deceptive scum that's trying to make herself look good by attempting to vote out someone. I'm willing to bet on the former, though. I am in fact over-zealous and VERY eager to catch scum. I believe I've shared the thoughts that I've made and now I am going to make new thoughts. I don't know if you are deliberately doing this or of you are just not understanding the expectations we have ... Here is a breakdown of everything you said so far: Day 1 What a basic opening. Very minimalist...oh, wait, I get it. Are we supposed to talk minimalist too? I think the Host will get mad if we talk incoherently. I wonder who killed Craig. I have an idea everyone, let's check our sides. Whoever has a clip that can support a gun must be a killer, eh? I'm also going to hold of from voting. I don't see much of a reason to rush into this. I honestly don't know who to vote for. The day really just started and people are barely talking. I don't know what to do, realistically. I'm wondering, what is everyone's character known for? I am a famous sculptor. Could the works of art included in the introduction have anything to do with our loyalty? I advise us to all go back and "google image" search famous things created by us and see if anything matches up. I remember someone mentioning that Dan Flavin is good with lights. One of the works of art included in the introduction shows up in the google image search. What does this mean? I'm a bit iffy towards Dan, Anne, and Eva, and it's only a gut feeling, as the kids say. I don't like the bandwagon against John, so I'm going to Vote: Eva Hesse because I don't like the way she's acting. It was my idea that we were supposed to come up with ideas. I presented my idea and even though it was far-fetched, you two pounced on it immediately. It was just a thought, you don't need to be so critical about it. Please outline where your contributions/opinions/accusations/thoughts are in these statements; I can't find anything of value. Day 2: It's not surprising we lost one of ours today, but I think we're in a better position than if we'd lynched Town yesterday. Now to look at Sol's history, to see if there's a reason he was chosen. He wasn't on my radar yesterday. As others have said, you don't really think I would be scum and I would kill off the most vocal opponent of mine. I'll admit some of the things I said yesterday were foolish, but I would have to be part of the worst scum team ever to do something like this. The smarter, more logical course of action that they probably took was to try and frame me, something that others have also agreed with. However, please, ask me any questions you wish. I'm not sure I understand what you're going at here. I said I wasn't surprised that he was town, how does that relate to the possibility of him claiming to me? Why would he have claimed to me anyway? I thought he was town yesterday based on his actions and I'm now saying that I wasn't surprised he was town. Had he been scum, I would have said "I was rather surprised he was scum", the opposite of what I did say, because I thought he was town. Have I made my reasoning abundantly clear yet? The voting is between me and John today, and I don't want to be the stereotypical "it can't be me!" guy that goes ahead and then votes for the other person on the chopping block, so I will once again hold off on voting for now. I said yesterday that I suspected Dan, Anne, and Eva. I'd like to remove Anne from that list. I haven't decided who I'd like to replace Anne with, it's either John or Frank. Perhaps you misunderstood my phrasing. I place great value in my suspicions, however I believe there are only three scum. When I said "replace", I meant remove Anne from the list and replace her with a different person that has been pinging me. I'm not surprised that John has voted for me. I shall continue to wait before casting my vote as I'd like to think more. I believe I've shared the thoughts that I've made and now I am going to make new thoughts. Once again my actions are misunderstood. Am I supposed to have a constant list that is unable to change? The fact that you are scrutinising me tells me that you're either an over zealous townie or an extremely deceptive scum that's trying to make herself look good by attempting to vote out someone. I'm willing to bet on the former, though. The vast majority of your posts are defensive and non-comittal. You gave us some suspects of yours without any justification/explanation, you keep saying you will hold your vote ... what are we supposed to think? I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here and it dawns on me that if Tony had scum-mates to rely on, they would have most likely helped him put together a good case/defence. Through discussing things with someone I trust, I also realize that we probably have more to gain from lynching John; think about it, there has to be a valid reason behind his vote-switching from yesterday. If we lynch John and he turns scum, then we can turn around and look at the person he saved from a possible lynch; Eva. I am considering switching my vote over to John as I feel we have more to gain from his lynch and Tony is starting to look like he is just confused as hell.
Hinckley Posted October 16, 2013 Author Posted October 16, 2013 vote tally Tony Smith: 5 votes (Ellsworth Kelly, Jo Baer, John McCracken, Robert Mangold, Anne Truitt) John McCracken: 3 votes (Donald Judd, Dan Flavin, Brice Marden) Approximately 10.5 hours remain in the day.
Eva Hesse Posted October 16, 2013 Posted October 16, 2013 I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here and it dawns on me that if Tony had scum-mates to rely on, they would have most likely helped him put together a good case/defence. Through discussing things with someone I trust, I also realize that we probably have more to gain from lynching John; think about it, there has to be a valid reason behind his vote-switching from yesterday. If we lynch John and he turns scum, then we can turn around and look at the person he saved from a possible lynch; Eva. I am considering switching my vote over to John as I feel we have more to gain from his lynch and Tony is starting to look like he is just confused as hell. But are you too eager to catch scum... are du faking it. Anne had been PMing mich also but then she stopped, did du get what du wanted from mich or did someone tell du to stop? We are looking on both Tony and John, so am mich but both cant be scum... it would be the most stupied and messing up scum team ever then. But whom of Tony or John is scum then, Ich have a gut to go with Tony today because of what ich have said off him but also all what people say about him here. He does nothing right but his he scum... Ich don´t know John then again, he has pretty much been doing the same things, he also acknowledged that he had messed up and said stupied things. What should one think about those two then.. if this was an longer game with more people they wouldbe lynch and SK almost immidiately because they just harm the town but now we can´t afford to losing too many townies. But back to Anne. Anne, Anne, Annie, my dear. What are you thinking really. Until now Ich have thought you are a most loyal pro active townie in this game, along with Dan. But are you two hiding something with your pro activity. Looking at the player confirmate thread there are some really good players hiding behind these names. So are one of you or both scum just playing it great and fooling us others. Ich don´t know but one could speculate, it would not be the first time scum has had the town in the palm of their hands, playing them just like the want. I will go ahead and vote for: Vote: John McCracken Just to get Annes Unterhose twisted.
Carl Andre Posted October 16, 2013 Posted October 16, 2013 I brought him up because good points were made, should I just stay in defensive mode all day for doing nothing wrong? Sure, I am dumb and made a silly mistake. Not that that silly mistake has resulted in anything, there were people after me that could have turned the tide for a vote. Saying the fact that there was no lynch was my fault is incredibly silly. You shouldn't vote for me because I haven't done anything scummy. Only something dumb, for which I am sorry...? I am just a sculptor whose intentions are good. Please don't let me be misunderstood. This doesn't really help... at all. However, that having been said, I understand how hard it is to defend against a mistake as a townie. I've been there, and it's no fun. Once again my actions are misunderstood. Am I supposed to have a constant list that is unable to change? The fact that you are scrutinising me tells me that you're either an over zealous townie or an extremely deceptive scum that's trying to make herself look good by attempting to vote out someone. I'm not liking the accusation of your accuser. Your basis for suspecting Anne is flimsy at best, with your main reason for suspecting her being the fact that she wants you dead - a defense scum love to use. The vast majority of your posts are defensive and non-comittal. You gave us some suspects of yours without any justification/explanation, you keep saying you will hold your vote ... what are we supposed to think? Thanks for compiling all of this, Anne. When I see all of Tony's posts laid out like that, I see that he hasn't even tried to put effort into our situation. Scum wants to fly under the radar without being... you know... under the radar? Lurking is the term, right? Tony's posted plenty, but hasn't added any substance to his posts. The only problem is that he got caught yesterday by Sol... who happens to be dead today. Past that, Tony's been exhibiting perfectly good scumplay. I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here and it dawns on me that if Tony had scum-mates to rely on, they would have most likely helped him put together a good case/defence. Through discussing things with someone I trust, I also realize that we probably have more to gain from lynching John; think about it, there has to be a valid reason behind his vote-switching from yesterday. If we lynch John and he turns scum, then we can turn around and look at the person he saved from a possible lynch; Eva. Well, we won't 'learn' anything from a John lynch if he flips town, and frankly, I'm not confident enough in the accusations against him to cast a vote for him. I stand by my analysis that he wouldn't vote first, and the vote for Ell could truly be a mistake. Tony seems like a much safer lynch. He's done absolutely nothing this game, and his main accuser wound up dead this morning. I don't want to secondguess and vote for John and then regret it later. Vote: Tony Smith
Anne Truitt Posted October 16, 2013 Posted October 16, 2013 But are you too eager to catch scum... are du faking it. Anne had been PMing mich also but then she stopped, did du get what du wanted from mich or did someone tell du to stop? - - - But back to Anne. Anne, Anne, Annie, my dear. What are you thinking really. Until now Ich have thought you are a most loyal pro active townie in this game, along with Dan. But are you two hiding something with your pro activity. Looking at the player confirmate thread there are some really good players hiding behind these names. So are one of you or both scum just playing it great and fooling us others. Ich don´t know but one could speculate, it would not be the first time scum has had the town in the palm of their hands, playing them just like the want. I will go ahead and vote for: Vote: John McCracken Just to get Annes Unterhose twisted. Are you trying to shift the attention away from our suspects? What makes you think I am too eager; please elaborate? What is wrong with catching scum? As for our conversation; you were just agreeing with what I was saying, not adding anything and did not offer your opinion on the topics I introduced. I perceived this as you trying to extract information from me and I therefore opted to bail out of the conversation. Here's how it went down: I reached out to you on day 1, you replied 3 days later on day 2 and asked me about the game, I answered with my thoughts and asked you for your thoughts on the game you then 'mirrored' my previous answer and basically answered me with "maybe yes, maybe no" when asked about your opinion on there possibly being an SK (a topic whic you introduced in thread). This to me was counter productive and fishy. You were on my radar since this post: --- May be Ich should shut up, because ich got away from the day 1 lynch because of Johns voting but Ich will not tricked into a trap... that voting is fishy and it is probably meant to get me lynched to day but why do that ich wonder because the scum would had gotten mich lynched yesterday if John only had kept his vote on mich. So maybe he screwed up the vote but this whole thing stinks. Ich have mich eyes on Tony und a little John because is he just a townie that screwed up and said some stupied thing in day 1 or his he a scum acting as a stupied town. Why Ich have mich eyes on Tony, it is obvious, he did Zero no good on day 1(not that ich say that my contribution was great but) his lack of reasons on his saying and voting makes him look bad. And your just coming out to address me like this after I called out your name as a possible scum is ... well ... Scummy scummy scummy!
Frank Stella Posted October 16, 2013 Posted October 16, 2013 But are you too eager to catch scum... are du faking it. I have to say that whole "too eager" thing is a bit ridiculous; and comes off as really scummy. Regardless of who is eager to find scum (since Anne is not the only one eager to find scum, I and many others are too), there is no reason to criticize someone for wanting to find scum. Only a scummy person like yourself, Eva, would not want to find scum. --- Anyways, back on topic, I'm not sure who I'm going to place my vote on yet, though I know it'll be between John or Tony. I do belive at least one of them is scum, but I'm not confident enough to side one way or the other yet for a few reasons. Seeing Tony's comments in one section does point out his lack of adding his own input to the situations and how little he's actually done/said in relation to how much he's said--problem I'm having voting for him is brought up by Anne, where it seems like a scum team would be able to help him out and help him form a defense. John is in a similar situation with me, where I could see scum trying to help him out, but after his almost "blunder" on the day one votes, perhaps they are just accepting that he's been outed? That vote switch of his still brings many questions, especially since it didn't accomplish anything other then tie votes again (Saving Eva from the tie-vote, until I voted for her--if John turns up scum, then I would be inclined to say Eva is scum as well). There's still time, so I'm going to consider my vote still.
Eva Hesse Posted October 16, 2013 Posted October 16, 2013 Are you trying to shift the attention away from our suspects? What makes you think I am too eager; please elaborate? What is wrong with catching scum? There is nothing wrong in catching scum, thats what we town are trying to do but ich remember seeing over active "townies" trying to catch scum but in the real they are just turning the real townies away from seeing the real scum. Not (yet) saying du are doing this but how do we know, it is day 2 and not much trust is in this place yet. Oh well Annie about our PM, Ich told you why Ich replied 3 days later because Ich had not noticed your PM before (was on mobile version) And you really gave no subject nor nothing to speak about... Ich can say the same as du, Ich had once in another life (game) said a little to much to someone Ich thought were town (turned out scum) and Ich didn´t wanna say too much before Ich could trust du and know du are town. And your just coming out to address me like this after I called out your name as a possible scum is ... well ... Scummy scummy scummy! Hmm, could be but your above reply that is what a possible scum would reply back also. So it seems we are not getting no where here. Ich will put my weight on getting Tony or John and we will look back into this tomorrow when we know how the voting went. Is either one of those two scum or not
Eva Hesse Posted October 16, 2013 Posted October 16, 2013 Ich will leave my vote on John and go to sleep and get inspired to make some art.
Hinckley Posted October 16, 2013 Author Posted October 16, 2013 vote tally Tony Smith: 6 votes (Ellsworth Kelly, Jo Baer, John McCracken, Robert Mangold, Anne Truitt, Carl Andre) John McCracken: 4 votes (Donald Judd, Dan Flavin, Brice Marden, Eva Hesse) Approximately 5 hours remain in the day.
Frank Stella Posted October 16, 2013 Posted October 16, 2013 We are coming down to the last hours, I think I'm going to go ahead and place my vote on Tony. While also being the main lynch (And we cannot risk a non-lynch again), he has not added anything into the conversations despite posting more than most people (And more then me I'm sure). Hopefully this will be the first scum lynch. Vote: Tony Smith
Brice Marden Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 Not trying to pick on you two days in a row, but can you make some time to explain your thinking? I know you're busy painting and all... um, what more did you want me to say? I said it was for his strange voting yesterday, and multiple others have already beaten that horse every which way, so I saw no need (and was in a rush) to go into more detail. That said, I'm sticking with my vote. Tony just hasn't been screaming scum to me like he obviously has to others. Quiet, yes, but quiet doesn't mean scummy. Scum usualy are quiet, but not all quiet people are scum. Heck, there's a lot of quiet people here (and I'd put myself into that category so far) but there's only going to be a couple scum. Not saying I'm convinced that tony is town, he hasn't earned any trust yet, but I'm also not ready yet to lych him.
Hinckley Posted October 17, 2013 Author Posted October 17, 2013 vote tally Tony Smith: 7 votes (Ellsworth Kelly, Jo Baer, John McCracken, Robert Mangold, Anne Truitt, Carl Andre, Frank Stella) John McCracken: 4 votes (Donald Judd, Dan Flavin, Brice Marden, Eva Hesse) The day has ended with Tony Smith being lynched. Tony Smith's corpse will receive 3 penalty votes tomorrow for not voting. You have 20 hours to get your Night Actions in. Stay tuned for a formal day conclusion...
Hinckley Posted October 17, 2013 Author Posted October 17, 2013 "OK, Hosts. We chose Tony Smith." "Oh, a lynchee... Um... how nice." "Well, aren't you going to kill him?" "Well..." "Come on, it was your idea to lynch people. You had to have some idea." "Not really. I've been busy." "Yeah, me too. Banana bread is still in the oven." "Did you turn the oven on?" "Oh..." "It's hard to kill someone when we don't even have arms." "Since we're just paintings, couldn't we push him into paint thinner?" "Are we paintings? I thought we were people wearing clothes based on our works of art." "We have hands. You just have to believe." "Huh?" "It's an abstract landscape. Can't we kill him in some abstract way?" "It's minimal, not abstract." "What's the difference?" "Minimal means you think less." Whack! "A hammer works."
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