STAGECOACH HOLD-UP wild west set #6722

[Brick Miner]

in the spirit of expanding the official LEGO Wild West collection,

my most recently completed MOC...

STAGE COACH HOLD-UP wild west set #6722

Pieces: 146 (including

[Athos]

Looking at this creation makes me a bit sad. :'-( It makes me think how great of sets Lego could produce and how they just don't seem to try as hard anymore.

Anyhow this is a great MOC. I particularly like the Western lady figure. I don't know about the red, it just doesn't do it for me and the carriage looks a little square, but it is still a great creation.

Keep them coming!

Steve

[Wowplayer]

Awesome MOC Brick Miner *y* I love wild west and was lucky enough to get the reissued Fort Legorado a couple years back :-) I really like how you make the set look so official.

P.S. Grats on one year on EB!

[exo attack]

Wow, your Mocs are brilliant, and your artwork too. I may try to make my own WILD WEST lego theme, which will probably be hard, since I don't have any WILD WEST sets. All my WW pieces were recieved through charity, and I don't have any because I was just born when they came out. HeeHee.

Anyway, happy Eurobricks anniversary. :-P

[Kikuichimonji]

Absolutely brilliant. There are very few MOC creators who can make something even Lego would produce. You're one of them, and even in a theme that most people don't seem to make any MOCs for.

To make something this simple yet good with only 146 bricks means you're a great builder. And yes, I am wondering why in the world 146 bricks would cost you 65$ ;-)

[oo7]

I would never have imagined so many 'non-existent' pieces would be in one small set. Pretty nice, Brick Miner, I would buy it if it was a set, but I would need to do some modding. Although you wanted this building style to 'blend' with the Western sets of 1997 and such it significantly weakens the overall impression of the coach. I would like to see some more pictures of the stagecoach, as you've put much focus on every minifigure but have not shown the right side of the coach. Right now I can say the whole thing is too high.

I just prefer making a MOC as realistic as possible. Why use the old, scanty styles of building when we have moved past that? Again, I really need more pictures to tell, but the doors look kind of weak, it looks very hard for the chauffeur to climb up to his perch and the 1x1 brown bricks on the tall slopes on the back would be better as 1x2 brown bricks interlocked into the space between the red bricks and the small black fence.

Anyway, does that bush come with the set? If so, it shouldn't be so hidden by the cactus in the box art. I do like your choice of minifigs however, and it's ability to fit in so well with your saloon. The last picture is kind of funny, the two of them standing at gun-point with there hands raised in the air when the butt of a shotgun is clearly sticking out the crate on the top of the coach. Meanwhile, the bandit's horses innocently sniff a bundle of lit dynamite lying unattended in the sand. X-D

It also looks like there are white tiles between under the roof which makes mee think the roof could be easily removed to put a minifig in. That's a good feature, if that's the case. And did you draw the backround, the SYSTEM, and everything from scratch? It looks great, very proffessional. But why 6722? That is the last set of the Dino line, so 6723 would be more fitting.

[Sir Dillon]

Wow. Yet another impressive creation and editing job, Brick Miner. *pirate*

I like the way that you build as if it were a set, and the add the background. If I didn't know about your creations, and had just seen this on Brickshelf, I would've thought it a set... which I guess is the what you're trying to achieve.

To make something this simple yet good with only 146 bricks means you're a great builder. And yes, I am wondering why in the world 146 bricks would cost you 65$

I think this was discussed somewhere in the other threads. If I recall correctly, 65$ is if you were to buy all the parts now. I think if this was a set by TLC, it'd cost 20$.

[Asuka]

oh, and BTW... this MOC marks my one year anniversary at EB !!! X-D

Congratulations, Mr. Brick Miner!

Your Stagecoach is a real beauty, and very close to the original. Great Work, and a perfect Boxart. *y*

And your characters are wonderful!

[Brick Miner]

All my WW pieces were received through charity, and I don't have any because I was just born when they came out. HeeHee.

receiving some WW pieces though charity doesn't sounds that bad at all !!! you could always pass the blessing on to me :-P

in any case, thanks for the kind words !!!

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I would like to see some more pictures of the stagecoach, as you've put much focus on every minifigure but have not shown the right side of the coach.

:-D your right... there is a lot of focus on the figures. however, they are one of the highlights in the official LEGO WW world... so, i think their spotlight is well deserved. also, im trying to "paint" a world in which my MOCs live. in a way, im not just making sets... im trying to expand the western world that LEGO begin to develope. and, i want viewers of my "sets" to understand each character and MOC's place within that world.

however, id like to show a picture off the coach with the top off, and also the interior chair (the only two features of the set). so i'll get on that !!!

Right now I can say the whole thing is too high.

yes, one of the things i battled with. i wanted the female figure to be able to ride with a comfortable amount of space above her head... so as to not look too un-natural. this was difficult with her slope dress :'-(

i did what i could... and, while the coach is high, it doesn't seem unbelievable to me.

the 1x1 brown bricks on the tall slopes on the back would be better as 1x2 brown bricks interlocked into the space between the red bricks and the small black fence.

actually, they are 1x2 brown plates, interlocking as you described ;-) your right, the back-end would have been way too unstable as 1x1's... and LEGO would have never done that ;-)

Anyway, does that bush come with the set? If so, it shouldn't be so hidden by the cactus in the box art.

when your taking photos, it's hard to gauge how long of a photo you can take. the size of the image is actual dimensions of a mid-90's LEGO box (same size as chief

[Bonaparte]

Looking at this creation makes me a bit sad. :'-( It makes me think how great of sets Lego could produce and how they just don't seem to try as hard anymore.

Its sad indeed, but I'm in full agreement on this. Go work for Lego Brick Miner.

You can bring the spirit of those good old sets back!

[oo7]

yes, one of the things i battled with. i wanted the female figure to be able to ride with a comfortable amount of space above her head... so as to not look too un-natural. this was difficult with her slope dress :'-(

Oh, that didn't even occur to me, that slope dress must really limit the playability and screw up the design.

So, I guess the current height is the only choice.

actually, they are 1x2 brown bricks, interlocking as you described ;-) your right, the back-end would have been way too unstable as 1x1's... and LEGO would have never done that ;-)

eeowh. I got the wrong impression. That's good then. I fondly await those pictures; they will provide more information that will allow me to stop making these skeptical assumptions.

when your taking photos, it's hard to gauge how long of a photo you can take. the size of the image is actual dimensions of a mid-90's LEGO box (same size as chief

[Brick Miner]

Go work for Lego Brick Miner. You can bring the spirit of those good old sets back!

:-D i would love to work on the box art designs... but im not sure about actual sets designs. after building a few AquaRaiders sets, im not sure im comfortable working with all these new pieces. the hinges and modified bricks have really changed since the 90's |-/

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Oh, that didn't even occur to me, that slope dress must really limit the playability and screw up the design.

So, I guess the current height is the only choice.

yes, i almost had to make a removable roof, because the dress makes the figure so tall, and she doesn't bend !!!

:-D

But couldn't you digitally move it using your divine photoshop skills? X-D

maybe if i was a jedi, but i'm still just a cowboy ;-) :-D

personally I would have taken out the cactus. It is after all, a little bit distracting.

hmmm... i hadn't even considered that. it is true that it dosen't appear on ever WW box... so that could still be considered a "legal" move for me.

and thanks for going "all-out" ;-)

- BrickMiner

[Athos]

im not sure im comfortable working with all these new pieces. the hinges and modified bricks have really changed since the 90's

I fully agree. I am so sick of hinges and technic pieces and absolutely detest the curved slopes. I have a horrible time building with any of it.

Steve

[mrts]

you know, after i released GHOST TOWN'S HAUNTED PASS 6776 with a set number already taken, i said megablock-it. back in the day, no two themes would have shared the first two digits of the four digit item numbers. pirates were 62**, castle 60**, and WW was 67**. when i started making and planning my WW MOCs i came up with the numbers i wanted based on the size of the sets... not even realizing that LEGO had started doubling-up themes into the first two digit codes.

since i messed up one (and a really cool MOC i thought), i didn't want it to stand alone and be singled out as the only one i messed up. plus, it seems more intention now, like im making a statement,... "LEGO should have expanded their WW line, before mixing in all these non-WW lines into 67**, because the WW theme is much cool than any thing that was mixed in."

basically, my attempt at covering up a mess-up :-D

:-D

Anyway BrickMiner i think this coach looks very nice! I indeed blends really good with the original LEGO WW sets. I also like the color scheme, the red is a welcome change in WW for me. Good choice. I would def. buy this one!

Also i love how you photoshoped it too look like an original set. I really gives your moc a professional feel to it.....maybe i will try to do something similar in the future too with my own mocs...look nice! *y*

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PS about the hight thingy.

Maybe you could add changable legs for the woman to the set. So, the slope brick as a dress and also normal legs, so the lady can actually sit in the coach. Maybe a strange idea but that way you could lower the roof of the coach. Also i dont think the minifigs have to be able to stand in the coach....sitting is just ok....with adding the extra legs for the lady the bending (sitting) problem with 'slope birck lady' are solved...

[WesternOutlaw]

I don't know about this one BM. Your stagecoach is very squarish/boxy in shape and seems too high (esp. looking at the back pictured below). The style reminds me more of a European/Medieval wagon for a queen (honestly). But once again, your graphic ability is excellent.

Here's something I did a few years ago trying to capture the style of a traditional WW stagecoach. The shape is not easy to capture with Lego.

Also, why don't you post a few more images without the graphics so that we can see some different angles.

[Mister Phes]

as many of you know, my MOCs are an attempt at mimicking the LEGO SYSTEM building styles of the time, in this case 1996. my goal is a seamless blend of MOCs and official WW sets. similarly, i am attempting to blend my MOCs into prefect visual harmony amongst themselves.

And you are succeeding quite well!

Value: $ 65.00 USD (calculation based on www.LEGO.com Pick-A-Brick and average BrickLink prices for NEW bricks)

Egad! Is that how much it cost you to make this?

However, one thing I did notice...

I don't know about this one BM. Your stagecoach is very squarish/boxy in shape and seems too high (esp. looking at the back pictured below). The style reminds me more of a European/Medieval wagon for a queen (honestly).

When I first saw this Stagecoach the first thing that popped into my head was "Seige Tower", which I think is attributed to its height and the use of the brown slopes at the front.

[Brick Miner]

I don't know about this one BM.

:-D i didn't think you like my MOCs much as it was !!! i think our vision of the WW is greatly different Brickster... and i have come to find this out though our MOCs ;-)

personally, i felt this was my most historically accurate MOC yet... and that is not to say that im going for historic accuracy. overall, however, i felt this MOC was quite a success, ranking slightly higher than my saloon, but not as high as the ghost town. it is interesting that anyone would judging the success of my stage coach on its accuracy to the wells fargo coach. yes, it was an inspiration (which i thought i interpreted very well), but was never to be a cookie-cutter miniature. my WW MOCs are to be considered a kids toy, based more in romanticized fiction than reality (which all official SYSTEM LEGO themes are ;-) which is what im trying to copy).

i mean, how many times have you seen something like this in the history books:

however, all that said, the MOC should still be reminiscing of old western iconography... so, if you are getting a medieval european feel, then i have obviously failed.

Also, why don't you post a few more images without the graphics so that we can see some different angles.

if my camera was as good as yours i would consider it. honestly, my canon is so bad there is no way i could release a photo, without some form of touch-up. it's really that bad, yet so easy to fix with photoshop ;-)

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Egad! Is that how much it cost you to make this?

yup.

However, one thing I did notice... When I first saw this Stagecoach the first thing that popped into my head was "Seige Tower", which I think is attributed to its height and the use of the brown slopes at the front.

:-D

lets compare:

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i love how you photoshoped it too look like an original set. I really gives your moc a professional feel to it.....maybe i will try to do something similar in the future too with my own mocs...look nice! *y*

i would strongly encourage this mrt !!! i feel presentation is a huge part in sharing MOCs on the internet. after all, the presentation is how we gather information about the model. so we better make it good ;-)

and your MOCs are of high enough caliber, it would be a prefect end to the project (and all the hours spent on it) *sweet*

- BrickMiner

[Mister Phes]

lets compare:

That's not the siege tower I had in mind - it was one of the more recent ones.

But, your Stage Coach is pure brilliance compared to the schemozzle of siege towers that have been released lately. And I'll clarify I wasn't saying that your Stage Coach looks like a siege tower, that's just what it reminded me of in the first few seconds of seeing it.

However, I would agree that its probably a little too tall, maybe by one brick. Now I'm not making that assessment based on historic accuracy (screw historic accuracy), I think its more of an aesthetic and proportional issue. For me anyway.

[Brick Miner]

That's not the siege tower I had in mind - it was one of the more recent ones.

:-D maybe i thought you were referring to that older tower, because admittingly, it reminds me a little of my coach 8-| :-D

And I'll clarify I wasn't saying that your Stage Coach looks like a siege tower, that's just what it reminded me of in the first few seconds of seeing it.

gottcha ;-)

However, I would agree that its probably a little too tall, maybe by one brick. Now I'm not making that assessment based on historic accuracy (screw historic accuracy), I think its more of an aesthetic and proportional issue. For me anyway.

ya, it all comes back to that stupid slope dress. maybe mrt's thought of switchable legs (similar to the studio's lady) should have been applied.

it's just that idea didn't sit well with me... i really really wanted a stage coach completely designed around the dressed lady. maybe a bad concept :'-(

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again, thanks for the thoughts and feedback everyone !!! im still trying to perfect my MOCing style... hopefully i'll have it down by the time my largest MOC, LEGOREDO STATION, is ready for publication ;-)

- BrickMiner

[Mister Phes]

And like The Brickster suggested, do you have any non edited images of your MOC showing different angles and aspects of it?

[exo attack]

Thanks to you Brick Miner, I'm gonna try to make my own theme. I might not be able to make them that good, seeing I don't have any WW pieces. ( I was born in 1996 ) All my WW pieces were recieved through car boot sales. Anyway, thanks.

[Norro]

I have to admit I'm not sold on this one... Love the concept, love the box art, I even like the attempt to conform to Lego's piece count/style in this scenario. But the stagecoach itself doesn't work for me. It seems too tall and boxy as well as looking like a few components in different colours rather than a blended whole...

Also if lego made this I predict there would only be one bandit... ;-)

EDIT: I forgot the main suggestion I intended to make... The horses are attached to the stage in a very strange way. If you replaced the white bricks on their backs with black (as lego often did) it would do more to imply a harness from the side...

Thanks for sharing and God Bless,

Nathan

[Mister Phes]

Another nitpick I can point out is the whip which is at the feet of horse and partially concealed by the bush.

At first I thought it was a snake until I had a closer look and realised it was a whip. I don't think its very good placement, if the whip has to be there then I'd put it in the vacant space in front of the coach driver.

Logistically I understand the coach driver would drop the whip from his seat as soon as he was in a spot of bother, however from a presentation perspective it doesn't look quite right. So one might argue that placing it in front of the coach driver is somewhat illogical, but there's a stick of dynamite sitting in front of a horse so the mind boggles why that is there - the bandits trying to blow up their horses? :-D

[WesternOutlaw]

:-D i didn't think you like my MOCs much as it was !!! i think our vision of the WW is greatly different Brickster... and i have come to find this out though our MOCs ;-)

personally, i felt this was my most historically accurate MOC yet... and that is not to say that im going for historic accuracy. overall, however, i felt this MOC was quite a success, ranking slightly higher than my saloon, but not as high as the ghost town. it is interesting that anyone would judging the success of my stage coach on its accuracy to the wells fargo coach. yes, it was an inspiration (which i thought i interpreted very well), but was never to be a cookie-cutter miniature. my WW MOCs are to be considered a kids toy, based more in romanticized fiction than reality (which all official SYSTEM LEGO themes are ;-) which is what im trying to copy).

- BrickMiner

Please don't get me wrong BM. It's not bad. I just think it's a little boxy and after reading Phes's comments, I tend to agree with him. Maybe the tall sloped brown bricks in the front and back give it a bit of a seige tower look. It really isn't the "historic accuracy" that I'm looking for, just a combination of similarity to existing WW Lego and the overall WW look. I bet the coach would look rather large next to a Lego WW building. On a plus side, it has very nice detail and playability that you always seem to be good at adding.

In regard to your MOCs, most of what I've seen from you have been part of your Ghost Town collection. They're much more "playful" than the types of MOCs that I've done (like your ghosty cactus). I think this is were we differ. It is nice to see you drift away from your ghost town and I'm looking forward to seeing your Legoredo Station.

I would never be able to tell that your camera isn't good in looking at your MOCs. The images of your MOCs seem very sharp and clear (I don't think my camera captures my MOCs that well), unless your really doing a lot of photo-editing. I would like to see the real thing though to get a "true" idea of what your MOCs look like.

Please take my comments constructively, as I've used them from other Eurobrick members to improve my MOCs as well. To give you an idea, here's the building process behind my stagecoach. Thanks to the comments provided by other members, I think the final coach was much better than my original design.

Brickster's Stagecoach

[ghoulrealm]

The stagecoach along with the steam engine are my favorite wild west aspects from a mocing standpoint.

I, like 007, do like extra details within mocs, but this coach stands quite well without them. If\when I decide to build my own I will likely use it as a base, though probably in a castle or pirate setting.

It is the best stagecoach I've seen to date and the most detailed too, actually