Gotham City Mafia: Day One

[Rumble Strike]

Good spot although you don't look old enough to read!

To make sure my voice is heard properly, I will:

Vote: The Riddler (sok117)

[Nightshroud99]

Vote:The Riddler/sok117

I agree with what others have stated, I do believe you are scum; trying to get rid of Baby Doll who in all likelihood is one of the town.

Even if she isn't tomorrow will prove her innocence, if she's telling the truth.

Now barkeep! Do you have any coffee, I'm falling asleep.

[def]

I agree with what others have stated, I do believe you are scum; trying to get rid of Baby Doll who in all likelihood is one of the town.

Just to confirm with you all, The Riddler did not try to get rid of Baby Doll. The Riddler asked four times how her ability works.

In a similar way:

Hmmm... The case against the Riddler is slowly becoming more and more damning. I will...

In no way is the case damning.

I think the choice is fair enough, it's at least as good a reason to vote for him as it was for me to vote for the Croc. But, for the sake of the town true criminals here, can we please use the English language correctly and not throw extreme statements around when they aren't called for? It will make things a lot easier for us in the long run

Here's hoping the Riddler was a tattler, since he's well on the way to being the first victim of a bandwagon

[K-Nut]

All points seems to lead to this, so I will vote...

Vote: The Riddler (sok117)

[Masked Builder]

We should try to work together, so I will Vote: The Riddler (sok117). Because it will avoid penalty votes for everyone.

So I will:

Vote: Killer Croc (Jedi Anakin)

What ever happened to a sense of unity among the criminals? This is the most random voting I've seen for a first day voting. :wacko:Though the way I see it this is most likely a scum plot to further confuse the criminals, so remember those names on that list.

So you voted with someone on that list? I know you revoked your vote but still.

[K-Nut]

So you voted with someone on that list? I know you revoked your vote but still.

She was thinking of Mad Hatter (Jedi master brick) since he seemed suspicious because of his weird opinions.

[def]

We should try to work together, so I will Vote: The Riddler (sok117). Because it will avoid penalty votes for everyone.

? We'll get penalty votes for not voting, not for reaching a majority vote... I think. If we don't reach majority, I'm assuming top vote gets it. Don't know though. The Demonic Duo running this show didn't clarify, and it's kind of confusing to have both a majority rule and a mandatory vote rule. Ideally one or the other would be used. But the Joker's crazy, so why not just go with it

So you voted with someone on that list? I know you revoked your vote but still.

I think the questionable thing about all those votes today, in my opinion, is that everyone who voted seemed to choose someone different for no express reason in particular, and then they also chose only players off the little list I made (coincidentally or not). Furthermore, scum are reactive, and if somebody is in thread saying, scum do this, there is a good chance that one or two will not do that just to try to throw us off. I might do a lot of 'predicting' scum behavior in thread, and it's important to be aware that the scum aren't robots, and will adjust accordingly.

I just hope some scum try to kill me tonight, and see where that gets them You hear that you scummy turncoat agents? I want you to kill me tonight. Please

**not for not reaching a majority vote**

[Masked Builder]

I think the questionable thing about all those votes today, in my opinion, is that everyone who voted seemed to choose someone different for no express reason in particular, and then they also chose only players off the little list I made (coincidentally or not). Furthermore, scum are reactive, and if somebody is in thread saying, scum do this, there is a good chance that one or two will not do that just to try to throw us off. I might do a lot of 'predicting' scum behavior in thread, and it's important to be aware that the scum aren't robots, and will adjust accordingly.

I just hope some scum try to kill me tonight, and see where that gets them You hear that you scummy turncoat agents? I want you to kill me tonight. Please

Hmmm...I see what you mean then.

[Peanuts]

Now now aren't you supposed to be smarter than two alien prisoners from a recent movie I saw to follow a simple voting format?

You're right, of course. Where was my mind? Vote: Riddler (Sok)

I have also seen the movie, since it was also featured in the paper I read, as a very realistic portrayal of these situations.

By the way, Creeper's idea of voting for several people was a good one, but I really think you people have reduced it ad absurdum. Especially after Joker told us a conviction would be forced - why did this clown even bring up the rule of the majority then? Such a fool! - I think you shouldn't have stayed with such a tied vote.

Hush, on the other hand, seemed to recommend a pure bandwagon vote against one of the quiet people, which made me suspicious. As I said before, a bandwagon vote doesn't help us at all, and if we start voting against the quiet ones, we are likely to hit a useless townie instead of the scum. Also we should consider that Hush's comment was not very helpful considering the overall situation with Riddler being accused.

And Riddler, you said you hadn't seen something like Baby Doll's confirmation before, which is the same with me, but some other "villain", I believe it was Egghead, had shown us an article with information about this special role, so you had time to read a small bit about it. And asking about further information about abilities, I must admit, is either stupid or scummy.

[Scorpiox]

By the way, Creeper's idea of voting for several people was a good one, but I really think you people have reduced it ad absurdum.

Simon dissagrees...

How would picking 5 people and randomly voting between them help? It would end up Joker randomly picking one of them, and chances are none of them will be scum. We need logical thinking, and we also need people to read the rules.

[Peanuts]

Simon dissagrees...

How would picking 5 people and randomly voting between them help? It would end up Joker randomly picking one of them, and chances are none of them will be scum. We need logical thinking, and we also need people to read the rules.

I never said you shouldn't change the vote for one suspect lateron, but establishing a bandwagon early in the day helps absolutely nobody. I never said we should let Joker do the decision for us, and I also never said we shouldn't think logically or disregard the rules. What are you referring to?

[TheBoyWonder]

Joker, may we see the votes? I just want to know what is the current situation. As many have voted for Riddler, lets see what he says to defend himself.

[Bob]

Unvote: Hush/Mrlegoninja

Vote: The Riddler/sok117

We've got to convict someone today, and it's a shame it has to be you.

[def]

Simon dissagrees...

How would picking 5 people and randomly voting between them help? It would end up Joker randomly picking one of them, and chances are none of them will be scum. We need logical thinking, and we also need people to read the rules.

:wall: Who wrote picking five people randomly and voting between them would help? YOU. Nobody else said that. Just you. Read the thread. Only you have said that. And you're right, that is stupid. Got it? Your idea is stupid. And unhelpful. Do you know what is actually helpful? Knowing how to read. It's much more helpful when people who are working together learn how to use the same language fluently

I think your repeated attempts to misrepresent me in thread are, as the saying goes, either scum or dumb. Unfortunately, I don't know Simon well enough to tell the difference. But, if we have a lack of leads on day two, I'm happy to nominate the guy making shit up for lynch. It saves us all a lot of headaches

(Keep in mind, this is the second such wrong thing you've written about me today, so that is why I'm being so clear about the situation now. It's totally fine for people to disagree with me, but to pretend to disagree with something I didn't say, especially after I clarified it for you, is very disingenuous. And it hurts town. And it's really annoying.)

[Peanuts]

Joker, may we see the votes? I just want to know what is the current situation. As many have voted for Riddler, lets see what he says to defend himself.

Great. I know you are as thick as your reptile skin, Croc, but I guess you can count? And I believe the Riddler has already defended himself. I wonder what else he could say about that matter? In fact, we don't have much of a cse anyway.

[badboytje88]

No worries. Your logic is noted. You think scum tend to be the ones out front one day one

Now that's simply insane. Do you need some medicine? I can prescribe you some excellent fear gas.

Well actually it's not insane, it's a thought out decision. I do NOT think that scum tend to be the ones out front on day one. Most of the scum tends to fly under the radar, especially on day one. I don't think we should be looking at people who didn't speak up. I think we should be looking for people who spoke up just enough to not be noticed.

I know the creeper isn't one of those people. He has been quite outspoken all day. Which can be a tactic. Not all scum flies under the radar on day one. There are some who tend to stick out. The thing I find curious, is why the Scarecrow is sticking up for someone he doesn't really know that good. I wouldn't stick up for anyone if I didn't know for sure they were on the same side as I am. So that means you two are either scummy scumbags or the both of you are townies.

I'm leaning towards townies. I'll change my vote when something really incriminating comes up. As long as that's not the case, my vote stands. (because of the voting is mandatory rule, one or two votes won't get you convicted right ) And if it turns out you truly are town, we can always kiss and make up, right mister Creeper

[Scorpiox]

:wall: Who wrote picking five people randomly and voting between them would help? YOU. Nobody else said that. Just you. Read the thread. Only you have said that. And you're right, that is stupid. Got it? Your idea is stupid. And unhelpful. Do you know what is actually helpful? Knowing how to read. It's much more helpful when people who are working together learn how to use the same language fluently

(Keep in mind, this is the second such wrong thing you've written about me today, so that is why I'm being so clear about the situation now. It's totally fine for people to disagree with me, but to pretend to disagree with something I didn't say, especially after I clarified it for you, is very disingenuous. And it hurts town. And it's really annoying.)

Simon says... I'm sorry, I'm happy to admit I'm wrong if you can find the point where I said random voting was good. As I can't remember saying it. Sorry if I was rude.

Please could you also quote the time when I said something wrong about you, I don't mind learing my mistakes. Maybe I should have read your post more properly.

Once again sorry for being rude, I've no problem with you, it seems I misunderstood SScarecrow's post talking of your plan. Please could you also explain to me what your plan was, as it appears I got it wrong.

And is anyone says I'm backtracking, I'm not, it's called being a nice person.

[Peanuts]

Well actually it's not insane, it's a thought out decision.

Honestly, your post is contradictory and confusing, in my opinion.

I do NOT think that scum tend to be the ones out front on day one. Most of the scum tends to fly under the radar, especially on day one. I don't think we should be looking at people who didn't speak up. I think we should be looking for people who spoke up just enough to not be noticed.

So, your statements in this passage are:

1. Most of the scum try to fly under the radar. Yet you vote for one of the most active players.

2. You don't think we should vote for those who don't speak up, but for those, who said little of substance. Yet you vote for the first person to vote. Voting is IMO not just enough to be noticed, but very straight-forward.

I know the creeper isn't one of those people. He has been quite outspoken all day.

You admit he isn't among those "we should look at", but yet you vote for him.

Which can be a tactic. Not all scum flies under the radar on day one. There are some who tend to stick out.

There may very well be agents who try to look active, I agree, and want to get in lead of the town. But honestly, why would we vote out everyone who tries to bring the town forward, just because they might be scum? Everyone might be scum, after all we know, but voting for the contradictory, the silent and the ones who act scummy helps us more than voting for the active ones.

The thing I find curious, is why the Scarecrow is sticking up for someone he doesn't really know that good. I wouldn't stick up for anyone if I didn't know for sure they were on the same side as I am. So that means you two are either scummy scumbags or the both of you are townies.

So, what you're saying is, I am suspect, because I point out flaws in your logic, to avoid the lynch of a propably useful possible townie, while you would rather ignore this and vote for anyone who isn't you, as you only care about yourself and those you know they are town, which is nobody? Yes, that's the spirit the town needs.

[Nightshroud99]

Everyone might be scum, after all we know,

I know I read somewhere about this possibility, however to bring this idea up is kind of scummy.

Even though you said "might" you are implying that either you are scum for knowing this, or you are a third party.

However, Bird-boy and the Clown did say that there were regular criminals so I'm probably looking into this too deeply (and you could just be town). After all I'm town so not everyone could be scum

I'm confusing myself. I also don't seem to make any sense.

Why do I keep talking!

[Peanuts]

I know I read somewhere about this possibility, however to bring this idea up is kind of scummy.

You misunderstand, I meant, everyone is a possible suspect, not that we are all scum.

[sok117]

Well, I knew there would be a bandwagon against me, because people in here can't think for themselves. I'll admit there is a case against me, however Babydolls other points are fallse, as in they are wrong, as in she made them up. Allow me to explain what happened, and hopefully some of you will listen.

Babydoll says how she will be proven innocent

I ask her if this has something to do with her skill or if it is out of her hands (passive)

She comes back (I'm ignored)

so I ask her two more times in the same post

She accuses me of being scum

I defend myself as anyone would do

She then says I asked her four times (false) and that even after she said she wouldn't answer I apparently kept pestering her (also false)

People see that a most likely credible person has voted and posed one valid argument

Without reading anything else "you guys talk to much" they make an uninformed bandwagon against me, perfect for the scum to hide in while I, an innocent criminal, and a useful role to all of you, is convicted.

However, The information I was asking for was already widely known because the rules say no actions are passive, so therefore, me asking would not have given me or the criminals or the scum any information that wasn't already widely known. It's not a question scum would ask because everyone already knows the answer, in no way does the question I act do anything to further convict Babydoll.

I'll admit there is a case against me, but if you look at all the facts I myself have presented, you'll see it isn't very strong like most of you people are saying, I urge everyone to go back in the day and challenge me on these things, but you will see as I see. Hopefullythere is still time for people to change their vote.

[badboytje88]

So, what you're saying is, I am suspect, because I point out flaws in your logic, to avoid the lynch of a propably useful possible townie, while you would rather ignore this and vote for anyone who isn't you, as you only care about yourself and those you know they are town, which is nobody? Yes, that's the spirit the town needs.

I never said I wanted him convicted, read my last post, you will see. All I said is that being outspoken might be a scum tactic, so he comes across as being very pro criminal. So I voted for him just to see what would happen. I know my vote wouldn't get him convicted since most of you will be hopping on the Riddler bandwagon, as will most of the agents do too. I was just looking for a reaction on my vote and I got one from you. I'm not suspecting you because you are pointing out the flaws in my logic, I'm suspecting you because you defended someone you barely know. I personally wouldn't do that, especially on day 1.

[def]

Simon says... I'm sorry, I'm happy to admit I'm wrong if you can find the point where I said random voting was good. As I can't remember saying it. Sorry if I was rude.

I didn't say it. You said it and claimed it was my plan. Therefore, you said it

My idea, which I clearly explained at the time, was to start a vote for someone in the not-so-active townie area, since I figured there would be a better chance to round up some scum in that net. That is to say, NOT RANDOM. And from there, start a vote. After you start a vote, you watch people's reactions. Who jumps on the vote, who doesn't. If you have two or three lynch candidates, you can see who groups together. It's likely that a member of town will be lynched, but on subsequent days, as we take the scum out, we have this vote to look at and consider, making the first vote of use to us in the long run.

When we all pile on the same player for flimsy reasons, not only are we likely to take out one of our own (RANDOMLY), but the vote will be near meaningless since everyone went the same way. In years of EB games movies, only once has the day one lynch been successful. Therefore, long term thinking is important.

Got it?

[Tamamono]

I vote : The riddler (sok117)

Vote:The Riddler/sok117.

Back when Nygma was arguing with Baby Doll (and even before that) I was suspicious of him, but this bandwagon against him is making me doubt his guilt. Many people have voted with only a statement like "I agree with Doll!" or "All evidence points to Riddler!". Either there are lots of lazy criminals (no offense to anybody), or there are lots of scum on the bandwagon.

For being a very outspoken criminal which could mean he's a very outspoken criminal or is a agent playing a very outspoken criminal.

I'm sorry mister Creeper.

Wait, so you're saying you want to get rid of outspoken criminals? What kind of logic is that?

Hush, on the other hand, seemed to recommend a pure bandwagon vote against one of the quiet people, which made me suspicious. As I said before, a bandwagon vote doesn't help us at all, and if we start voting against the quiet ones, we are likely to hit a useless townie instead of the scum. Also we should consider that Hush's comment was not very helpful considering the overall situation with Riddler being accused.

That's got some alarm bells ringing for me as well. The scum would want to keep their own from being lynched, but not in such a way that it looks like they're actually defending them.

And Riddler, you said you hadn't seen something like Baby Doll's confirmation before, which is the same with me, but some other "villain", I believe it was Egghead, had shown us an article with information about this special role, so you had time to read a small bit about it. And asking about further information about abilities, I must admit, is either stupid or scummy.

To be honest, I've never encountered anything like this either. However, I had done enough studying about situations like this to recognize a role like that when I saw it.

Although that giant bandwagon unnerves me, I'm still suspicious of Nygma. I'm not going to vote for him right now, but I'll definitely be thinking about it.

[Peanuts]

Well, I knew there would be a bandwagon against me, because people in here can't think for themselves. I'll admit there is a case against me, however Babydolls other points are fallse, as in they are wrong, as in she made them up. Allow me to explain what happened, and hopefully some of you will listen.

Recalling the discussion it appears you're right, you asking twice would be correct. So, yeah, all we have is you asking twice about an ability, and not even very explicite. I'm inclined to believe you and vote for somebody else, but I'm not sure who. Until I've decided, I'll stay with my vote. But I have to admit we don't have a much of a reason to create a bandwagon against you.

I never said I wanted him convicted, read my last post, you will see. All I said is that being outspoken might be a scum tactic, so he comes across as being very pro criminal. So I voted for him just to see what would happen. I know my vote wouldn't get him convicted since most of you will be hopping on the Riddler bandwagon, as will most of the agents do too. I was just looking for a reaction on my vote and I got one from you. I'm not suspecting you because you are pointing out the flaws in my logic, I'm suspecting you because you defended someone you barely know. I personally wouldn't do that, especially on day 1.

As I said before - and as I could practically quote my previous speech to answer this, as you said few new - everyone is a suspect. And everyone who looks town might be scum trying to look town. And everyone who looks scum might be a stupid townie. So what? Vote for the ones who look town? Honestly, that's insane. But okay, you said you didn't have the intention to covict him. It's basically good to accuse many people, but it's never good to jump on conclusions. And if you accuse someone with few reason, don't be surprised if someone else defends him. In fact, those who don't defend him are more likely to be scum, as the scum would see the accusation and wait for it to form a bandwagon, in case the Creeper is town, of course.

We have to work together, we should all together discuss our suspects. And if you vote for the Creeper, who I don't think should be convicted, I state why I think he shouldn't be convicted, as I try to avoid a wrongful conviction, as it would only be useful for the scum. I don't know him much, yes, but I see he's active, and I don't want an active player to die although he's no more suspect than a less active player.