Brickdoctor Posted November 13, 2011 Posted November 13, 2011 Unfortunately, some of us are literally dumb Let's not hold that against Babydoll, that she recognizes the fact. Though showing tact is going to be a challenge to all of the non-stupid among us Unfortunately so, and I don't plan to hold it against Baby Doll or let it affect the way I consider her arguments. (yet ) Just saying that it wasn't really necessary, at least in my opinion.And I'm not saying whether or not I think The Riddler is dumb, just agreeing with you that there probably are some who are.
TheBoyWonder Posted November 13, 2011 Posted November 13, 2011 I Unvote: Riddler (sok117) And Vote: Catwoman (CallMePieorDie) If Riddler's claim is true, we want not to lose a valuable Ally. I say we vote for Catwoman For reasons before mentioned by Egghead I believe.
ADHO15 Posted November 13, 2011 Author Posted November 13, 2011 I Unvote: Riddler (sok117) And Vote: Catwoman (CallMePieorDie) Please write all votes and unvotes in bold, please. I fixed this in the rules. Current vote tally The Riddler (sok117): 12 - KielDaMan, Masked Builder, Bob_, Rumble Strike, Alopex, Mrlegoninja, JediAnakin, Nightshroud99, Fred Fred Burger, Scorpiox, Professor Flitwick, K-nut Killer Croc (JediAnakin): 6 - Oky, 5 penalty votes Catwoman (CallMePieOrDie): 3 - Captain Tamamono, def, badboytje88, Capt. Redblade Man-Bat (Sirius Black): 1 - CallMePieOrDie Hush (Mrlegoninja): 1 - Sirius Black Clayface (WhiteFang): 1 - sok117 Yet to vote: Brickdoctor, WhiteFang, Jedi master Brick, Peanuts
Jedi master Brick Posted November 13, 2011 Posted November 13, 2011 I will Vote: Carwoman ( CallMePieOrDie)
TheBoyWonder Posted November 13, 2011 Posted November 13, 2011 I Unvote: Riddler (sok117) And Vote: Catwoman (CallMePieorDie) So, lets get a conviction. The three with most votes are: Riddler(11), Me(6-5 are penalty for a noobish mistake) and Catwoman (5). If Riddler's Statement is true, we cannot affort to lose him. Catwoman has been acting suspiciously, and when lynch is necessary, we need not lose Riddler to Catwoman.
Jedi master Brick Posted November 13, 2011 Posted November 13, 2011 Sorry I coughed earlier Vote:Catwoman (CallMePieOrDie)
CMP Posted November 13, 2011 Posted November 13, 2011 Sorry, my day's been more hectic than I expected. Okay, I'll be brief here. The Riddler's just ruined himself and the rest of us. If he doesn't get lynched, he's going to get killed tonight. Everybody's now going to waste their unvotes and vote for me, lynching me, and ending up losing our investigator tonight anyway. Creeper, I can see why you'd be suspicious of me. I didn't want to use my one unvote, put it on the Riddler, and wait for something else to come up, not to mention I didn't want to end up without a vote by the day's end. I suppose I could've just unvoted, in hindsight. As for everybody else, you've got one unvote. Think about who you're going to use it on, if you do. An investigator who's essentially offered himself up for either death or conversion, or me? I'll be honest, the way today is going, no way we're getting an agent, unless the Riddler's bluffing about everything. I may be no investigator, but at least I have a chance of survival if I live through today. It probably sounds crazy asking for our investigator to be lynched, but with this revelation, he's worthless, to be honest. We may each have 2 abilities, but he's going to either be blocked off every night, killed, of if worst comes to worst, converted. I will (seriously, I have absolutely nothing to do tomorrow this time ) be back in about 8 hours. Oh, and you all need to think for yourselves rather than blindly saying 'Oh, Creeper's right, she's scum'. From his behavior, I'm sure he's not, but honestly, you have brains. Use them, not someone else's. Actually, apparently we only have a few hours left in the day. Bartender, get me a coffee, this isn't going to be a fun night.
def Posted November 13, 2011 Posted November 13, 2011 I didn't want to use my one unvote, put it on the Riddler, and wait for something else to come up, not to mention I didn't want to end up without a vote by the day's end. I suppose I could've just unvoted, in hindsight. There is no one unvote. There is no restriction on unvoting.... Scum or dumb... Scum or dumb...
CMP Posted November 13, 2011 Posted November 13, 2011 There is no one unvote. There is no restriction on unvoting.... Scum or dumb... Scum or dumb... Sorry, there almost always is...
ADHO15 Posted November 13, 2011 Author Posted November 13, 2011 There is no one unvote. There is no restriction on unvoting.... Scum or dumb... Scum or dumb... Creepy's right. You can vote and unvote as many times as you can like. I thought that'd be obvious after seeing how wishy-washy most of you have been today! Current vote tally The Riddler (sok117): 12 - KielDaMan, Masked Builder, Bob_, Rumble Strike, Alopex, Mrlegoninja, Nightshroud99, Fred Fred Burger, Scorpiox, Professor Flitwick, K-nut Killer Croc (JediAnakin): 6 - Oky, 5 penalty votes Catwoman (CallMePieOrDie): 5 - Captain Tamamono, JediAnakin, badboytje88, def, Jedi master Brick, Capt. Redblade Man-Bat (Sirius Black): 1 - CallMePieOrDie Hush (Mrlegoninja): 1 - Sirius Black Clayface (WhiteFang): 1 - sok117 Yet to vote: Brickdoctor, WhiteFang, Peanuts There are just over 8 hours left in the day.
CMP Posted November 13, 2011 Posted November 13, 2011 I'd really rather not be here for an entire 8 hours. Creeper, you seem to be the brains of about half of us. ( to that half) and you're probably one of the few people here at the moment who knows how to ask important questions. Could you address my argument, please?
Scorpiox Posted November 13, 2011 Posted November 13, 2011 I respect Creep's claim that Cat is scum, but it irritates me that Creep's and Doll seem to be the only ones thinking here. Everybody else is just jumping on the wagon and following the herd. I don't know about Cat being scum, but there is about as much evidence as there is with Riddler, one person's suspicion. My vote stands, but I will change if anyone can convince me. Oh and Creeps, you say scum or dumb a lot. How is thinking there is only one unvote making Cat seem scummy? It's more like didn't read the rules or dumb, didn't read the rules or dumb.
def Posted November 13, 2011 Posted November 13, 2011 I'd really rather not be here for an entire 8 hours. Creeper, you seem to be the brains of about half of us. ( to that half) and you're probably one of the few people here at the moment who knows how to ask important questions. Could you address my argument, please? Sure. You say that if Riddler is telling the truth, he is worthless. Not true. Scum will have a choice tonight, whether to kill him or not. Or Babydoll, or me (please kill me, I want you to target me ). So maybe he dies tonight, maybe he doesn't. The fact he's claimed investigator might make him worth not targeting him, since there's a better than average chance he'll be protected. In fact, if I were scum, Babydoll and the Riddler are the two I wouldn't target, since there is too great a chance of wasting a night action on them, and a much better than average chance they will be followed. Long story short, we're better off letting the guy claiming investigator the benefit of the doubt. Choosing between someone claiming an important town role, and another trying to stay calm as the pressure comes on them is easy. You are the most logical day one choice. Oh and Creeps, you say scum or dumb a lot. How is thinking there is only one unvote making Cat seem scummy? It's more like didn't read the rules or dumb, didn't read the rules or dumb. Actually, didn't read the rules=dumb. The standard rules are unlimited unvotes. There have been lots of unvotes without LOCKED votes resulting. It's been mentioned a couple of times that we have multiple unvotes. Is that enough reason to know it? How about enough reasons not to base your defense on it? Catwoman didn't join this club yesterday. She's been around the block a few times. She won't be allowed to make n00b mistakes. Did I say that slow enough for you?
CMP Posted November 13, 2011 Posted November 13, 2011 Sure. You say that if Riddler is telling the truth, he is worthless. Not true. Scum will have a choice tonight, whether to kill him or not. Or Babydoll, or me (please kill me, I want you to target me ). So maybe he dies tonight, maybe he doesn't. The fact he's claimed investigator might make him worth not targeting him, since theres a better than average chance he'll be targeted. In fact, if I were scum, Babydoll and the Riddler are the two I wouldn't target, since there is too great a chance of wasting a night action on them, and a much better than average chance they will be followed. Long story short, we're better off letting the guy claiming investigator the benefit of the doubt. Choosing between someone claiming an important town role, and another trying to stay calm as the pressure comes on them is easy. You are the most logical day one choice. Please. You're basically telling me that, were you scum, you'd let the man who claimed investigator walk completely freely? I can understand why the scum would be extra cautious in the matter, but honestly, ignoring the investigator is absolutely stupid. You're right, he's probably being protected, but you're essentially trying to save somebody who's marked themselves for scum activity, whether it's a kill or not. Whoever the scum may be, I doubt they're as ignorant as to let him just go investigating in the night. Look at it this way. Save the golden sheep today, lynch the 'regular' one, to be killed or otherwise tonight? Or lynch the golden sheep, and have the wolves both confused as hell and without a scrap of evidence on which actions to take out next? Besides, do you really think, with probably around 38 or so townie actions, there's only one investigator? I'm sure there's at least 2 or maybe even 3. Probably with some variation on them, but investigators all the same. Please, come up with a bit of a better argument then 'the scum would let the investigator waltz by without a second glance' and 'you didn't help today'. If that's all you have, we're as good as dead. Going back to your original issue against me, in my defense, I didn't feel like jumping on the bandwagon for someone who now turns out to be the investigator. Maybe I'm just using that to further my defense, but hey, I can think for myself and aren't blindly following you. I think I deserve another good day. Not to mention that all that's against me is 'I don't jump on bandwagons.' Sorry if lynching the first opportunity I get is being a good townie.
Scorpiox Posted November 13, 2011 Posted November 13, 2011 Why do these games of life always make normaly polite people into rude people who make stupid insulting comments? Fair enough point about Cat being in life a lot of times, my question was, however, how is not reading the rules suspicious. I'd love to learn tips from an ol' timer.
TheBoyWonder Posted November 13, 2011 Posted November 13, 2011 Catwoman (CallMePieOrDie): 5 - Captain Tamamono, JediAnakin, badboytje88, def, Jedi master Brick, Capt. Redblade There are just over 8 hours left in the day. Joker, you might find 6 have voted for Catwoman. I do think though, Catwoman has a point. Riddler is as good as dead. If his claim is true, he will be killed by the scum.
CMP Posted November 13, 2011 Posted November 13, 2011 Catwoman didn't join this club yesterday. She's been around the block a few times. She won't be allowed to make n00b mistakes. Did I say that slow enough for you? [/color] And what a lovely few times that's been. In the most recent games problems I've been in, there's only been one unvote. Joker, you might find 6 have voted for Catwoman. I do think though, Catwoman has a point. Riddler is as good as dead. If his claim is true, he will be killed by the scum. I appreciate it, but really, say more than '______ is right/has a point and I agree with him/her.' Might get far. Not trying be insulting or condescending, but you can't just mindlessly drone after the same person this whole time.
Scorpiox Posted November 13, 2011 Posted November 13, 2011 Simon adds... Creeps, care to share your suspicions with me, as, if he's telling the truth, we should let Riddler go. Yes, he'll probably be killed, but at leaast he might get time to share an investigation result with someone in the night. I Unvote: Riddler (sok117), because he's got a valuable role and Creeps may have caught us a scum. I decide once Creeps shares some more info.
badboytje88 Posted November 13, 2011 Posted November 13, 2011 Look at it this way. Save the golden sheep today, lynch the 'regular' one, to be killed or otherwise tonight? Or lynch the golden sheep, and have the wolves both confused as hell and without a scrap of evidence on which actions to take out next? So you are saying we should lynch the one claiming to be our investigator? That's just crazy! I'm not saying I trust the Riddler, I'm just saying your reasoning is ducked up. If I were scum I wouldn't be going for either Babydoll or the Riddler since that would be so obvious, the risk of being watched or tracked would be quite big. You haven't exactly tried to defend yourself. The Riddler told us his use, what's yours?
def Posted November 13, 2011 Posted November 13, 2011 Please. You're basically telling me that, were you scum, you'd let the man who claimed investigator walk completely freely? I can understand why the scum would be extra cautious in the matter, but honestly, ignoring the investigator is absolutely stupid. You're right, he's probably being protected, but you're essentially trying to save somebody who's marked themselves for scum activity, whether it's a kill or not. Whoever the scum may be, I doubt they're as ignorant as to let him just go investigating in the night. Look at it this way. Save the golden sheep today, lynch the 'regular' one, to be killed or otherwise tonight? Or lynch the golden sheep, and have the wolves both confused as hell and without a scrap of evidence on which actions to take out next? Besides, do you really think, with probably around 38 or so townie actions, there's only one investigator? I'm sure there's at least 2 or maybe even 3. Probably with some variation on them, but investigators all the same. Please, come up with a bit of a better argument then 'the scum would let the investigator waltz by without a second glance' and 'you didn't help today'. If that's all you have, we're as good as dead. Going back to your original issue against me, in my defense, I didn't feel like jumping on the bandwagon for someone who now turns out to be the investigator. Maybe I'm just using that to further my defense, but hey, I can think for myself and aren't blindly following you. I think I deserve another good day. Not to mention that all that's against me is 'I don't jump on bandwagons.' Sorry if lynching the first opportunity I get is being a good townie. Funny enough, not so long ago, in another life, I was scum with you, and that was exactly how I approached it I'll link to the writeboard if you like. But that really would be for the sake of others, since I'm sure you remember it. Then moving on, paraphrasing my argument to say what it certainly didn't say, well, that's just more scum behavior. "I don't jump on bandwagons" was not the extent of the reason I started a vote for you. It was a few things. 1) the generic posting earlier 2) the generic avoidance of voting for Riddler, which is a classic scum technique (if the bandwagon is going strong, it's good to dissent to show you didn't vote out town later on) 3) You were happy to vote early on, then got conservative with Riddler 4) your attitude in general now. I wouldn't bet my life on your guilt, but between you and Riddler, you are a much better suspect. Why do these games of life always make normaly polite people into rude people who make stupid insulting comments? Fair enough point about Cat being in life a lot of times, my question was, however, how is not reading the rules suspicious. I'd love to learn tips from an ol' timer. Now, first off, I'm not normally polite But please remember, we are all criminals, and some manners can be disposed of. In fact, in mafia, enraging/frustrating others can be considered a deliberate tactic. But have no worry, none of this attitude will ever leave Joker's clubhouse Try to imagine, someone were to come onto a LEGO fan site and say, for example, "obviously Megablocks are equal to Lego." There may be some frustration or hostility from others. As much as we should keep in mind that we all have different backgrounds and experience, in the heat of the moment people can be aggressively frank. But it's not meant to insult you any more than your average marine drill sergeant wants to
CMP Posted November 13, 2011 Posted November 13, 2011 So you are saying we should lynch the one claiming to be our investigator? That's just crazy! I'm not saying I trust the Riddler, I'm just saying your reasoning is ducked up. If I were scum I wouldn't be going for either Babydoll or the Riddler since that would be so obvious, the risk of being watched or tracked would be quite big. You haven't exactly tried to defend yourself. The Riddler told us his use, what's yours? I'm not spitting out my actions here. That's what going to get the Riddler killed. I'll talk to you in that corner over there. Funny enough, not so long ago, in another life, I was scum with you, and that was exactly how I approached it I'll link to the writeboard if you like. But that really would be for the sake of others, since I'm sure you remember it. Then moving on, paraphrasing my argument to say what it certainly didn't say, well, that's just more scum behavior. "I don't jump on bandwagons" was not the extent of the reason I started a vote for you. It was a few things. 1) the generic posting earlier 2) the generic avoidance of voting for Riddler, which is a classic scum technique (if the bandwagon is going strong, it's good to dissent to show you didn't vote out town later on) 3) You were happy to vote early on, then got conservative with Riddler 4) your attitude in general now. I wouldn't bet my life on your guilt, but between you and Riddler, you are a much better suspect. Well, if we're going to metagame inwardly search ourselves the hell out of this, this is the third damn time this has happened to me. Every time as town. I'm dumb, not scum. I could have just as easily gone along with the bandwagon, but I decided not to. That damn simple. I'd rather be lynched a self-sufficient individual than a parasite chewing on your greenass. I posted generically because I didn't want to jump on the bandwagon, but didn't want to up and say 'nah, I'm going to go and not vote the Riddler'. If he turned out scum, it'd be instantly turned on me. So basically exactly what you're thinking, but opposite, 'cuz I'm town. And how stupid can you get?? It was your plan I was going along with, spreading the votes. I assumed the lynch was going to be somebody inactive, or just random. That all went down the toilet. If you know neither of us is scum, then either you are (which I highly doubt) or you're trying to save an investigator who's just gone and thrown off his blankets in the middle of the day trying to save himself. And, honestly, it's probably going to be a tie. There's about 6 hours left. I'm sure everybody's still going to be sucking on your dick when they get here and voting for me, so enough people come, I'm out. Which is about the only chance I have left, considering their faces are plastered to your crotch and probably are just going to go looking for your votes, go 'oh, yeah, I totally agree', and vote for me, ignoring everything both I and anyone else have said since.
Scorpiox Posted November 13, 2011 Posted November 13, 2011 Then moving on, paraphrasing my argument to say what it certainly didn't say, well, that's just more scum behavior. "I don't jump on bandwagons" was not the extent of the reason I started a vote for you. It was a few things. 1) the generic posting earlier 2) the generic avoidance of voting for Riddler, which is a classic scum technique (if the bandwagon is going strong, it's good to dissent to show you didn't vote out town later on) 3) You were happy to vote early on, then got conservative with Riddler 4) your attitude in general now. I wouldn't bet my life on your guilt, but between you and Riddler, you are a much better suspect. Hmm, it's a choice between the investigator or a unknown, I'm inclined to vote unknown. Like I said, Riddler might die if he's not lynched, but at least he'll get a chance to reveal someone's alliegence before he dies. Oh and Creeps, point taken, thanks.
CMP Posted November 13, 2011 Posted November 13, 2011 Hmm, it's a choice between the investigator or a unknown, I'm inclined to vote unknown. Like I said, Riddler might die if he's not lynched, but at least he'll get a chance to reveal someone's alliegence before he dies. Oh and Creeps, point taken, thanks. I could've sworn I said this, but if he gets killed, he probably won't get a result. From my experiene, anyway.
Peanuts Posted November 13, 2011 Posted November 13, 2011 Honestly, I don't have a damn clue, and I believe nobody has a damn clue but the scum. But I don't think Nigma's an agent, and I won't risk losing the investigator, and catwoman has the second most votes, she was always early to jump on anything but the bandwagon, while she never really brought anything up herself, she's neither been proactive nor really flying under the radar, I have to vote and we have to convict somebody. I believe that's enough reason to vote for her. I vote: Catwoman (CallMePie)
XimenaPaulina Posted November 13, 2011 Posted November 13, 2011 And Baby Doll, while I think you present a good argument against The Riddler, calling him dumb at this point is unnecessary in my opinion. Can't we at least try to do this without insulting each other? OOC: Dude, didn't you read the sentence beside it?? That's just a JOKE! Why so serious??? Sheez.... I can't stand people who can't take some light-hearted FUN. I might as well die in this game. And if it makes you feel better (sok117) Nygma: Unvote: The Riddler (sok117) Vote: Catwoman (CallMePieOrDie) Happy now kids? And for the record The Riddler, I still stand by what I said to you privately: lol, I was the damn investigator and I asked you this question because I was trying to gage whether or not I should investigate you anyways. If you really are the investigator then you could have approached me in the first place via PM. If you really are thinking of the overall cause of the town then you SHOULD NOT have risked your important role. I AM TOWN (and by God I swear my life on it), and if your are, then you made a terrible mistake on how you behaved. If you do turn out to be a Town Investigator, then we have lost an important role because of your wrong method of getting info. I would re-iterate, always THINK and DO what's in the BEST INTEREST of the TEAM kiddos.
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