Tachyon Posted November 19, 2011 Posted November 19, 2011 But how do we know you're not scum. this could be just a defence to protect your life
Wuntin Posted November 19, 2011 Posted November 19, 2011 But how do we know you're not scum. I would say you cannot know whether I am telling the truth or not. Today. You can know after the next death by bludgeoning, though. I'll leave a little note under everyone's door with the name of my victim - before the body has been found. I have a small supply of long-sleeved calfskin gloves for sale. Soooo soft...
Bricksandparts Posted November 19, 2011 Posted November 19, 2011 OOC: Sorry I'm late. Was kinda busy... This is getting bad. I really thought the wife of Darth would be town. and two more towns? This is just bot good. lets look back at what Flanagan said, maybe we can see if there was something that made the Witchbreed kill him. Anyone got any leads? I don't see much of how killing Flanagan would have helped. Hope our next conviction will take out a Witchbreed.
Scubacarrot Posted November 19, 2011 Posted November 19, 2011 So basically you are saying, Wully, that you we cannot know if you are scum or the serial killer, but you are defenitly not town, thats no reason not to lynch you. In fact, I say you are absolutely the best candidate for lynching today.
Bricksandparts Posted November 19, 2011 Posted November 19, 2011 I'm not trying to say you are lying, but how do we know WHO the Serial killer is? I think the "Serial Killer" could be just some guy who wants everyone to think he is and is saying "I got a message that said: Not Town", and he could just be witchbreed. Until you can show you are the serial killer, I'm going to vote for you. I have the results of last knight's investigation, Wully Tintin is not town. Don't vote for me because I'm the messenger. Saying "Don't vote for me" makes you seem even more suspicious. I think you are our most likely Witchbreed.
Scubacarrot Posted November 19, 2011 Posted November 19, 2011 I'm not trying to say you are lying, but how do we know WHO the Serial killer is? I think the "Serial Killer" could be just some guy who wants everyone to think he is and is saying "I got a message that said: Not Town", and he could just be witchbreed. Until you can show you are the serial killer, I'm going to vote for you. Saying "Don't vote for me" makes you seem even more suspicious. I think you are our most likely Witchbreed. Uhm, Excuse me, This could be me, But WHAT are you saying?? The facts are: 1. Volpana claimed he knows that Wully Tintin is not town. This fact on itself is very bold and a town would have no reason not to believe it unless someone directly contests the claim. Not town could mean two things, scum(witchbreed) or neutral, both of which are ENEMIES OF THE TOWN(!). If this claim would lead to the conviction of Wully Tintin and he would be found innocent, Volpana would without doubt be the next to be convicted, for giving us false information. Everyone agrees so far? 2. Wully Tintin then confirms he is the serial killer. He also states it is not a good idea to lynch him. Again a very bold statement, But us town have NO REASON not to believe this. Ill explain, The serial killer, is an enemy of the town (and the scum), for each night it kills someone, the objective of the serial killer is to kill EVERYONE and be the last man standing. The serial would therefore slowly kill off the town and the scum, so in the process, a lot of town WILL die, and needless to say, the less members of town there are, the better the position of the scum. The best target for a lynch would obviously be a confirmed scum, but a confirmed serial killer is the next best thing.
Wuntin Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 So basically you are saying, Wully, that you we cannot know if you are scum or the serial killer, but you are defenitly not town, thats no reason not to lynch you. I am saying: Lynching me will not further the town's goal of killing witchbreed. I can prove my serial killer role the next time I kill. As a serial killer, I can be helpful to the town. Ill explain, The serial killer, is an enemy of the town (and the scum), for each night it kills someone, the objective of the serial killer is to kill EVERYONE and be the last man standing. The serial would therefore slowly kill off the town and the scum, so in the process, a lot of town WILL die, and needless to say, the less members of town there are, the better the position of the scum. The best target for a lynch would obviously be a confirmed scum, but a confirmed serial killer is the next best thing. Not quite true. My win condition is to be alive when either the town or the witchbreed win. I'm perfectly happy winning together with as many townies as possible. I can understand that you're afraid many townies will die by my hand so I'm open to agreeing on a procedure for choosing my victim. I could kill the person with the second highest vote count, effectively making it a second lynch. I could take my orders from a confirmed townie, if one emerges. Any other reasonable suggestions. If I am killing suspected witchbreed - just like a vigilante would - then the question turns from "Will you waste a lynch on a non-witchbreed?" to "Will the witchbreed waste a night-kill on a non-townie?" Wooly hats! Several colours! Black, grey, dark grey, lighter grey...
fhomess Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 Oh, wow. That was a pretty bad start to this thing. Three town killed and the king has now asked me to prepare him his special meal of braised lamb shank to quench his anger. Unfortunately, our cop's special liason cannot be protected every night, nor can the cop him/herself. 3.5. Players may not target the same player two nights in a row, and may not target themselves. That said, the reveal that Wully is not town is indeed big news. As stated by others, that means he's either an SK or scum, to which he's claiming SK. While his offer to let us all know who he's going to kill before the night begins would indeed confirm that he is the SK, I'm not sure if that's preferable to lynching him regardless. The thing is, unless Wully KNOWS he's going to be killing scum, he's hurting town. Scum wants townies killed as fast as possible, while townies want to have as few random chance killings as possible. Only a guaranteed scum kill really helps town. I'll admit that the SK also has a chance of killing scum, but his chances of killing a townie are also good. I will have to think on this more as I prepare this meal for our noble king. ... just saw your post Wully, but I don't have time to analyze it at the moment. The king is not patient!
Piratedave84 Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 For the time being I will simply point out that we cannot assert without any doubt that: a) Voltana is telling the truth and that is maybe trying to get us paranoid about Wully and for us all to lynch him for personnal reasons b) Wully is the serial killer, Wully and Voltana could have made a plan behind our backs to try and focus the blame on a person yet to be identified
Bricksandparts Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 Uhm, Excuse me, This could be me, But WHAT are you saying?? The facts are: 1. Volpana claimed he knows that Wully Tintin is not town. This fact on itself is very bold and a town would have no reason not to believe it unless someone directly contests the claim. Not town could mean two things, scum(witchbreed) or neutral, both of which are ENEMIES OF THE TOWN(!). If this claim would lead to the conviction of Wully Tintin and he would be found innocent, Volpana would without doubt be the next to be convicted, for giving us false information. Everyone agrees so far? 2. Wully Tintin then confirms he is the serial killer. He also states it is not a good idea to lynch him. Again a very bold statement, But us town have NO REASON not to believe this. Ill explain, The serial killer, is an enemy of the town (and the scum), for each night it kills someone, the objective of the serial killer is to kill EVERYONE and be the last man standing. The serial would therefore slowly kill off the town and the scum, so in the process, a lot of town WILL die, and needless to say, the less members of town there are, the better the position of the scum. The best target for a lynch would obviously be a confirmed scum, but a confirmed serial killer is the next best thing. Don't get me wrong, maybe Volpana does truly know that Wully Tintin is not town, but just say it's a lie and they're Witchbreed, or they just think Wully is definitely Witchbreed. Can someone explain to me why we know that Wully is the SK, and how we know that Volpana is the investigator? And if Wully is not the SK, then why would the real SK tell everyone they are not, and that he/she is? The SK would rather have scum kill the So-called "SK" than themselves. Yet again, I can't be sure I know who these two are, but I don't understand why you people just automatically believe that these people are the SK and investigator. I truly think that some of you guys are either a really mixed up noob, a scum that is trying to confuse us towns, or just someone with little to No logic at all. And the SK is supposed to try to help the town, but is not a townie, they win if the town wins. They try to kill off the scum in the night.
Skipper Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 . . . the king has now asked me to prepare him his special meal of braised lamb shank to quench his anger. Don't skip pudding. Don't get me wrong, maybe Volpana does truly know that Wully Tintin is not town, but just say it's a lie and they're Witchbreed, or they just think Wully is definitely Witchbreed. Can someone explain to me why we know that Wully is the SK, and how we know that Volpana is the investigator? And if Wully is not the SK, then why would the real SK tell everyone they are not, and that he/she is? The SK would rather have scum kill the So-called "SK" than themselves. Yet again, I can't be sure I know who these two are, but I don't understand why you people just automatically believe that these people are the SK and investigator. True, however unless the cop was killed last night (3/17 chance) then they almost certainly are, as we've all checked in and no one has refuted their claim. I truly think that some of you guys are either a really mixed up noob, a scum that is trying to confuse us towns, or just someone with little to No logic at all. And the SK is supposed to try to help the town, but is not a townie, they win if the town wins. They try to kill off the scum in the night. Serial Killers aren't supposed to help the town, they have no alignment and win when they're the last man standing. Thus they can kill both scum/town.
Bricksandparts Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 Don't skip pudding. True, however unless the cop was killed last night (3/17 chance) then they almost certainly are, as we've all checked in and no one has refuted their claim. Serial Killers aren't supposed to help the town, they have no alignment and win when they're the last man standing. Thus they can kill both scum/town. You've missed the point! Why would the real serial killer (If Volpana is not) say that Volpana is not they serial killer and they they themselves are? Like I said, The real SK would rather have this so-called SK killed by scum than themselves. Why can't you guys think about what you are saying? And can somebody explain to me what evidence proves that Volpana is not lying? oh I made a mistake in my last post, I'll go fix it. NOTE: THE PART ABOVE I WANT TO EDIT You've missed the point! Why would the real serial killer (If Wully is not) say that Wully is not they serial killer and they they themselves are? Like I said, The real SK would rather have this so-called SK killed by scum than themselves. Why can't you guys think about what you are saying?
Tachyon Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 I say we should lynch the sk as it limits the amount of townies killed every night
Skipper Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 Biskie: My point was this: let's assume Voltana's contact is not the real cop. Then the real cop would know that Voltana's postulate is a fabrication after reading the thread (which I know everyone has, as we've all posted in it, unless I counted wrong). Thus as a townie their duty would be to post and tell us that Voltana/Wully are lying, regardless of whether or not we'd believe him. However you're right that we don't know if Wully is a serial killer. But for the moment, I still think we should lynch him. If he's Witchbreed, yay for us. If he's a serial killer, meh. If he's a townie, then we can confidently lynch Voltana tomorrow.
Fred Daniel Yam Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 Look, this is not a Witchbreed plot to confuse you, I'm simply relaying to you the message I was given.
Skipper Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 Look, this is not a Witchbreed plot to confuse you, I'm simply relaying to you the message I was given. All right, why are you so ready to trust your source? You don't have to reveal them/their name, only give us a good reason/evidence why you believe that person when they say they're cop. Because if you've been duped and then we do what I think is the best plan with the information that you've given us, then this will happen: We lynch Wully, who is actually Town. Then as a follow up we lynch you, because it looks like you tricked us: and you are also Town, having been tricked yourself. Resulting in two town deaths, and we still don't know who tricked you in the first place.
Fred Daniel Yam Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 Because 1) They have given me something to go on and 2) Wully said himself that he was a Serial Killer If he is Town, I will take all responsibility and be lynched.
Tachyon Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 We will test her claim, lynch wully and if hes scum we can follow the cops claim from the messenger
Skipper Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 Because 1) They have given me something to go on and 2) Wully said himself that he was a Serial Killer If he is Town, I will take all responsibility and be lynched. Ah, ok. I forgot about #2 when I was planning out repercussions on paper. Makes sense now. Which is why I shouldn't post late at night. I'm off to bed.
yumiyoshi Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 I say we should lynch the sk as it limits the amount of townies killed every night Isn't this a good thing? I mean, if you're a townie, you are happy if someone limits the amount of deaths on your side! Have you betrayed yourself? Are we sure that Volcana isn't the cop herself? Maybe she claimed to have received a message, when instead she did the investigation all alone.. revealing her identity would make her a target for scums.
Cecilie Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 Well well well... So Wully claims to be the serial killer. That actually makes Voltana's result more trustworthy. Had he denied the claim, it would have been word against word, but now we can safely assume that there actually has been an investigation against him that came up "not town". So Wully, claiming to be the serial killer is a bold move. It makes you the target of both a lynch and a night kill should you escape the lynch. If you really want to help the town and act as a vigilante like you say, it makes you the prime target for a scum kill tonight. Besides, how can we trust that you will actually do what's in the town's best interest? How can we be sure you won't switch sides if it suddenly becomes more attractive for you to side with scum? Oh, and just for the record, the one with the second most votes isn't necessarily a good choice for a night kill for the vigilante. It could be someone the scum has been trying to frame, or an unlucky townie who has been falsely accused, but still has some votes against them. And Biskie: you're awfully protective over Wully... Of course we can't know anything for certain, but we can try to make logical assumptions. At this point, we have no reason not to trust Voltana. If Voltana and Wully are plotting this together, it seems like a very odd move. I'm not really getting what you want us to believe, other than that you seem to be protecting Wully.
def Posted November 20, 2011 Author Posted November 20, 2011 We're in the area of 24 hours, so voting is open! It will be open for 48 hours. In the case of a unanimous vote, it may end after 24 hours.
Chromeknight Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 So Wully, claiming to be the serial killer is a bold move. It makes you the target of both a lynch and a night kill should you escape the lynch. If you really want to help the town and act as a vigilante like you say, it makes you the prime target for a scum kill tonight. Besides, how can we trust that you will actually do what's in the town's best interest? How can we be sure you won't switch sides if it suddenly becomes more attractive for you to side with scum? Oh, and just for the record, the one with the second most votes isn't necessarily a good choice for a night kill for the vigilante. It could be someone the scum has been trying to frame, or an unlucky townie who has been falsely accused, but still has some votes against them. And Biskie: you're awfully protective over Wully... Of course we can't know anything for certain, but we can try to make logical assumptions. At this point, we have no reason not to trust Voltana. If Voltana and Wully are plotting this together, it seems like a very odd move. I'm not really getting what you want us to believe, other than that you seem to be protecting Wully.sc Lots of reading to catch up on. Big news and lots of discussion. Cecile has said more or less what I was going to say. If Wully the serial killer wants to avoid being lynched he's got to provide two things. First, a valid alternative lynch that will catch a scum, and second, a reasonable night kill, that again will catch a scum. His bind is that if he provides both of those, he's a good chance of being the scum's target. Claiming serial killer doesn't seem to improve his chances. And besides, lynching Wully would be the way to verify Voltana's source. I can't see any logical or reasonable move other than to vote: Wully Tintin (wuntin) as always I'm open to reasoned arguments.
Fred Daniel Yam Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 I really don't have any other option. Vote Wully Tintin (Wuntin)
Tachyon Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 Lots of reading to catch up on. Big news and lots of discussion. Cecile has said more or less what I was going to say. If Wully the serial killer wants to avoid being lynched he's got to provide two things. First, a valid alternative lynch that will catch a scum, and second, a reasonable night kill, that again will catch a scum. His bind is that if he provides both of those, he's a good chance of being the scum's target. Claiming serial killer doesn't seem to improve his chances. And besides, lynching Wully would be the way to verify Voltana's source. I can't see any logical or reasonable move other than to vote: Wully Tintin (wuntin) as always I'm open to reasoned arguments. Ok ill guess ill follow your idea of lynching wully as an experiment. Vote Wully Tintin (Wuntin) Vote Wully Tintin (Wuntin) Vote Wully Tutin (Wuntin) Yay i finally worked out hot to write in bold im going to celeberate by eating some sort of 4 layered french cake called a petit four
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