ADHO15 Posted November 24, 2011 Author Posted November 24, 2011 Seems the same can't be said for you, Doll. Indeed! That was clearly The Ventriloquist I was referring to earlier; someone who was confirmed to be an Agent moments later! I should also emphasise that the plan is to sell back the missile to the Kaznians, not nuke Gotham! Where would be the sense in that?!
XimenaPaulina Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 Seems the same can't be said for you, Doll. It's already been confirmed by Creeps that he was blocked, and I think he was the killer if Wesker was holding a Tommy gun. Pls. forgive the Doll for not being attentive enough, she just woke and still feels a bit groggy... Then that will probably remove my fear of the agents having multiple conversions. Though if I may I share with you the Ventriloquist and Scarface has been known to always carry their signature tommy gun. Indeed! That was clearly The Ventriloquist I was referring to earlier; someone who was confirmed to be an Agent moments later! I should also emphasise that the plan is to sell back the missile to the Kaznians, not nuke Gotham! Where would be the sense in that?! See I told you a sweet innocent girl like me is not fit for these types of violent missions. I don't do nukes, I only blow up cakes with TNTs.
WhiteFang Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 You sure have great listening skills for someone who doesn't have ears Clay! Sure, I can listen! But you're right, turncoat seems like what The Joker was about to say earlier. But like what Mr. Egg-head mentioned earlier, I can't help but be wary of another recruitment happening last night after another night of "no scum-kill", which leads me to believe the agents have some sort of "psedo-unlimited recruiting ability" which IMO is an extremely anti-(town) criminal advantage of the scum agents. Just think about it, how will we proceed with our MO of nuking the city (outnumber them) if the agents can simply recruit whenever they lose one of them? I sure hope I'm wrong about this or else our gracious hosts will receive a lot of flak after our mission. That is a very bold assumption but that's something I can't deny as well. It's definitely a possibility, but for sure if the conversion is unlimited, then I am sure we will thrash this out at the end of this whole epic saga... However... I will like to think there is a fixed amount of change... And, I also trying to attempt to crack their undercover intel structure in a logical manner... Like for example, if the undercover agents work in a team of 5 original members with one kill or conversion to share among their team mates, while also retaining their original given abilities/night actions? In short, it will be 6 undercover agents against 18 criminals. That is technically 1/3 of the population. Assuming on the night without any kills. For instance, there was no kill in Night 1 and I will assume that they recruited Ventriloquist on Night 1. While in Night 2, Ra’s Al Ghul was killed. No other kills were spotted. Can we assume if that was done by the scum? Or by our own vigilante, I will like to think that person is on our side, since we have identified Deadshot as the "day vigilante" for the undercover agents. So, what did they do on the night? Obviously, any form of conversion will serve as a disadvantage. But, if you put this into perspective, the 2nd conversion may have already taken place. Why did I said so? It is all because of the second balance. Catwoman was convicted in Day 1 and she was an undercover agent. To bring the balance back to the undercover agents on feet once more, it will need another conversion. The Day 1 conviction was a triggering point for the activation of the second balance for the undercover agents. In simple words, it's an opportunity for them to put them back to fighting ground. The difference is, to be fair to both sides, there MUST be a limited capacity and logically, 2 conversions AT MOST is the maximum that you can give to the undercover agents based on the triggering of scenario where early conviction was done towards the undercover agents. Unlimited is totally unfair and unjust. So, on that portion, I am sure I will harp onto god for that. Get it??? While in Day 3, the "day vigilante" aka Deadshot used his killing action for the very first time. Of course, whether the killing action is "succession based" is yet to be seen until mid-day, if there is anymore day killings. For sure, last night's killing is likely to be someone on our side. Thus, I strongly felt that there anymore conversion beyond this point is totally unfair. I hope this bold assumption of mine might help to clear things up a little. Next,
Tamamono Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 You sure have great listening skills for someone who doesn't have ears Clay! But you're right, turncoat seems like what The Joker was about to say earlier. But like what Mr. Egg-head mentioned earlier, I can't help but be wary of another recruitment happening last night after another night of "no scum-kill", which leads me to believe the agents have some sort of "psedo-unlimited recruiting ability" which IMO is an extremely anti-(town) criminal advantage of the scum agents. Just think about it, how will we proceed with our MO of nuking the city (outnumber them) if the agents can simply recruit whenever they lose one of them? I sure hope I'm wrong about this or else our gracious hosts will receive a lot of flak after our mission. Well, to be fair, we have never seen a scum night-kill, but if we don't see a day-kill today, then I think it's safe to say that they recruited last night to make up for their losses. We didn't see a scum day-kill on Day 2, which means that they either converted on Night 1 to make up for their loss (which is understandable, because having one of their own be convicted on Day 1 can be crippling for a scum team). Also, I wouldn't be at all surprised if their converting action is more than one-shot, especially since the scum are at such a great disadvantage this game. Each and every one of us has not one but two abilities at our disposal, so there could have easily been six scum originally with one of them being a two or three-shot recruiter. And as far as conversions go, I think converting Wesker on Night 1 would have been a lousy choice. Wesker was one of the last ones to vote for Catwoman on Day 1. Seems the same can't be said for you, Doll. It's already been confirmed by Creeps that he was blocked, and I think he was the killer if Wesker was holding a Tommy gun. Wesker's puppet has always been holding that gun.
WhiteFang Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 Next, It was a typo based on my last comment at the end of it... The "next" wasn't supposed to be there. Well, to be fair, we have never seen a scum night-kill, but if we don't see a day-kill today, then I think it's safe to say that they recruited last night to make up for their losses. We didn't see a scum day-kill on Day 2, which means that they either converted on Night 1 to make up for their loss (which is understandable, because having one of their own be convicted on Day 1 can be crippling for a scum team). Also, I wouldn't be at all surprised if their converting action is more than one-shot, especially since the scum are at such a great disadvantage this game. Each and every one of us has not one but two abilities at our disposal, so there could have easily been six scum originally with one of them being a two or three-shot recruiter. It seems we are thinking along this line. Good to know that I am not the only one thinking out of the box.
XimenaPaulina Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 The difference is, to be fair to both sides, there MUST be a limited capacity and logically, 2 conversions AT MOST is the maximum that you can give to the undercover agents based on the triggering of scenario where early conviction was done towards the undercover agents. Unlimited is totally unfair and unjust. So, on that portion, I am sure I will harp onto god for that. Get it??? I understand what you're saying Clay, it may be that I'm just getting too paranoid with all this ordeal so I really hope there won't be anymore conversions by the scum agents. What adds to my suspicion is when I found our privately before about the late Calendar Man's (Bob) ability to prevent conversions in odd-numbered days. I agree the scum agents having unlimited conversions is too far-fetched of an idea, and a maximum recruitment of 2 is pretty fair to both sides, and I hope that's it for them, no more ,no less It's the scum agents' problem if they suck big time in their undercover mission, and us the (town) criminals should not suffer any consequences for (playing) doing our job very well in unprecedentedly weeding them out this early.
badboytje88 Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 Wow what a night, 2 agents down. That means we have 5 more of them to find. If they started with 6 and recruited 2 of our own that is. Let's hope for no more conversions, cause that would really be unfair to us. How are we to compete with an enimy that keeps growing. If the Creeper thinks he has a case against Simon he's got my full support. He sure knows what he's doing. There's still Ra's case. I don't trust it one bit. Ra's care to explain? The creeper seems to trust him though.
Jedi master Brick Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 Simon cannot make anything that are not exploding pies, he is lieing, and very badly
XimenaPaulina Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 Simon cannot make anything that are not exploding pies, he is lieing, and very badly Mad Hatter, you never fail to amuse me with your your short but sweet sentences. Though thanks for backing up Creep's info, and you being our action cop (thanks to your unnecessary public revelation yesterday) this confirms what Simon previously revealed himself to me about being a blocker. What even makes his ability even more scummier is the fact that he could hand out his exploding pies to his scum cohorts: Simon Said: My skil is making a exploding pies that block the target. My skill is handing these pies out. I can only do one per night so I obviously used last night to make my first pie. I assume his action is to make a pie and use it to block someone at night, and his skill is the ability to hand one pie to someone else. Curiously, these set of abilities are eerily similar to that of another villain here, Scarecrow - who himself also revealed his ability to me: I can use "Fear Gas" on a target to randomize the target of their own action. Alternatively I can use "Toxin Smuggling" which allows me to give another one player the ability to use "Fear Gas" themself. I know because Scarey-face himself gave me a Fear Gas canister, presumably to earn my trust. But I have no intentions of using this which just might just mess another criminal's important action. As we all know now, both Simon and Scarecrow have two abilities (blocker and target randomizer) that are tailor-fitted for their scum undercover activities, which could totally derail the criminal's plans. Add that to their previous behavior in the past days, we have two prime suspects right in our faces. Also, let's not forget our double-faced friend here Harvey Dent, who himself has been of little help to the criminals, role-claimed as the redirector (another scummy ability) and really reeks of scum smell if you ask me. So there you go, three solid potential scum agents to choose from. Though I'll probably go with the Pieman today. Wow what a night, 2 agents down. That means we have 5 more of them to find. If they started with 6 and recruited 2 of our own that is. Let's hope for no more conversions, cause that would really be unfair to us. How are we to compete with an enimy that keeps growing. Whoa, wait a minute Ivy, how sure are we that there were 6 of them to start with? If they started out with 6 and then recruited 2 of us, that would make them an 8-strong scum team that is extremely unfair to us criminals, and something that I refuse to believe. While it is still not proven that they had a second conversion, I think the most plausible scenario is that they had 5 initial agents and they converted 1 (Wesker) and probably another (second and last one). I'm sincerely hoping that there is still some sense of balance in this crazy 'F'd up' ordeal that we're going through.
def Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 Oh, I found this on the doorstep today. Anybody know where it came from? I'll be back in a bit to summarize the scumminess of the Pieman, just in case some of the mono-syllabic gum chewers out there have trouble seeing it.
badboytje88 Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 Pools my bad! Whoa, wait a minute Ivy, how sure are we that there were 6 of them to start with? If they started out with 6 and then recruited 2 of us, that would make them an 8-strong scum team that is extremely unfair to us criminals, and something that I refuse to believe. While it is still not proven that they had a second conversion, I think the most plausible scenario is that they had 5 initial agents and they converted 1 (Wesker) and probably another (second and last one). I'm sincerely hoping that there is still some sense of balance in this crazy 'F'd up' ordeal that we're going through. Well with 24 players the number of scum would be around 5. I picked 6 because I like going with the worst case scenario. Things can only get better from then on.
def Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 The case against the Pieman. #1 This incredibly inane statement this morning. But we have also exhausted our leads. But hopefully something will come up. No, we have lots of leads, mainly pointing at him. But denial seems to be his thing Actual town would admit themselves. This scumbum wants to sweep his name on the scumlist under the rug. Like very late voters Ventriloquist and Two-Face day one, the Pieman grudgingly switched his vote to Catwoman after it made zero difference. All the while insisting in quibbling and making crap up about what I said. Very helpful on day one to argue with the guy who started with a successful strategy... By the way, Creeper's idea of voting for several people was a good one, but I really think you people have reduced it ad absurdum. Simon dissagrees... How would picking 5 people and randomly voting between them help? It would end up Joker randomly picking one of them, and chances are none of them will be scum. We need logical thinking, and we also need people to read the rules. http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=62185&view=findpost&p=1118368 http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=62185&view=findpost&p=1118381 Right from day one. Not just being useless, but actually hindering town by throwing out nonsense logic. Scum or dumb, as the saying goes... Let's look to day two, to see how much he helps town: Simon says... Arright! I'm back. What have we here, suspicion on Wesker and Bane? I'm more inclined to vote for Wesker at the moment, when we are permitted. I don't think the case is good enough, as with yesterday, yet yesterday yeiled a scum. Doll, you ask for actions, I'd rather not just announce mine so I'll tell you privately. You're inclined to vote now-known scum Wesker? How great Maybe you're not scum after all. Sorry, made a mistake with my voting Vote: Bane (Masked Builder). Even if you revealed to be town, a townie who acts pretty scummy and doesn't help isn't a valuable townie afterall. A few hours later, Bane is the one Well, as you say, and let's remember these words and remember them well: "a townie who acts pretty scummy and doesn't help isn't a valuable townie afterall (sic)" He admits to not being confident that Bane is scum. Probably because he knew he wasn't. Around this time I tried to work together with the Pieman. How did that go Note, I made zero accusations in this message. Hey there. You've been awfully quiet, and I haven't heard of you doing anything helpful for the Criminals. Want to fill me in on how you're helping us? Oh, you're doing the doesn't-have-any-evidence-therefor-is-scum approach. That's going to win the game for you. I've told Doll my action, if you care then ask her. I'll be voting for Wesker today, but I don't have anything to share, or I would have done already. (oh, yes, he's voting for Wesker too ) Oh, you're doing the doesn't-have-any-evidence-therefor-is-scum approach. That's going to win the game for you. No, I'm doing the "hasn't done anything looking town, so it's good to check out" approach. More effective than just following people, but maybe that will win the game, eh... I've told Doll my action, if you care then ask her. I'll be voting for Wesker today, but I don't have anything to share, or I would have done already. I'll check with Kiel, thanks. Of course, he really hadn't told much. Just a single claim, no following up. Day three was, well, let's see: Arhh! Bane was town? He seemed such a sure conviction. But good news! No scum kill! But we wary, a scum convertion or poisoning could have happened. Theres no dispute that Wesker is today's lynch. But we should think of evidence for tommorow as well. Well, far be it for me to pick on a guy offering such bang up suggestions as : "we should think of evidence for tommorow as well." How's that coming along, Pieman? Any leads for us? No, of course not. You're just wasting our time, and then on top of that, trying to pick fights with the one person here who's guaranteed contributed (and make no mistake, others have contributed plenty, they'll get due credit after this is all done), but from only the public statements, I'm the most confirmed town. But the Pieman thinks the helpful thing to do is pick fights. I'm sure there's more to pick apart, but I think this is damning enough circumstantial evidence. Pieman, what say you? Do you have a better suggestion? Or should we just follow your advice. a townie who acts pretty scummy and doesn't help isn't a valuable townie afterall
XimenaPaulina Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 Well with 24 players the number of scum would be around 5. I picked 6 because I like going with the worst case scenario. Things can only get better from then on. Players? Are we playing some type of a game here? I thought we're just a bunch of hired criminals on a mission to nuke Gotham steal some missiles for Kaznia. Nah, I know where you're coming from Pam. I just can't make myself to believe such unfair scenario, but it is indeed possible. Well, I guess we just have to double our efforts then to eradicate the remaining scum agents among us.
def Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 I always consider 3:1 to be a safe number, that being true town Criminals to Scum Agents & Other. Hopefully that's what's happening here, meaning there should only be two Agents left. No guarantees on that though
The Penguin Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 Oh, I found this on the doorstep today. Anybody know where it came from? Wait, wait! The Gotham Times is covering the whole business we're doing here?! And Ryder never cared to mention my Iceberg Lounge before?! With it's exceptional service, food and drinks?! And the fact that I give 95% discount to loyal reporters?! A shame! Waugh-waugh!
Alopex Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 Two more traitors dead!!!! Whooopeeee! I doubt more than Two conversions are possible, that would be completely unfair...
Fred Fred Burger Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 Well my suspicions are about in line with the Creeper's, Pieman seems pretty suspicious, as does two-face to a lesser extent. I'm afraid I don't have any new information to give, but still I will try to be more active in these events.
Nightshroud99 Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 So the great Ra's speaks up, and doesn't say much of any use. However, it's pretty clear to me who we need to vote for, as def the scum sniffer hasn't led us astray yet. Simon will soon have baked his last pie, I just hope it's apple. I love apple pies.
Scorpiox Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 I don't know if you've forgotten or if you're just happy to ignore it, but Mad Hater (stupidly) spat out his role in public yesterday. What role did Hatter claim, I must have missed this. And before an idiot chants scum or dumb, I swear on the Holy Bible that I either missed or forgot Hatter's roleclaim. Really? Clayface earned your trust? Not the Creeper who crafted this perfect plan? And we exhausted our leads? Not by a long shot I'm still waiting for my apology from you for your incredible unhelpfulness. Everyone feel free to look back on day two. Simon plans to vote for Wesker. He says that's how he'll vote. Then the vote starts, and who does he vote for? Bane Looks like you bought your buddy Wesker a day. You won't survive this one I think Hatter and the Croc are alright. I spoke to Ra's, and he seems to have no idea what's going on, but he'll have to pony up info or else he'll be on the chopping block too. Yeah, your doubts are just too much. You spent all day trying to massage the story to help out Deadshot until the very end, even though this little Creeper had put his very reputation on the line to stick up for Clayface. Add to that, you have a very scum like night action, and you're in the criminals long range targets, Doctor. You haven't helped us since the start, so why pretend to start now Simon, Two-Face, Croc, Harley Quinn, Mad Hatter. There, I fixed it for you What can we say for sure? The Creeper is directly responsible for killing three agents. I didn't put that bullet in Wesker's fat melon of a head, but you can bet your bottoms that I wasn't surprised this morning. "Bussed" And Deadshot, I'm sorry I teased you. I hereby publicly apologize for any offense it may have caused you. May you rest in peace. Oh, and before I forget to say it, Simon is the scum blocker. I know the town blocker, and they blocked Wesker last night so we could lodge that bullet in his brain without any worry. The Pieman is the scum one. He may tell a story of "two blockers in this game of many people" but really, who else trotted out that "two" story? Wesker 1. Apology? You're the one who should be apologising, you're a very childish one aren't you? 2. I don't think this is how it played out, I'm pretty sure I said that yesterday, not the day before. 3. Keep at it, your ego is so large it'll soon suffocate all the agents! 4. I never claimed the blocker, I'm the inventor, and as far as I know I can only make exploding pies to block people. Maybe reading the thread will help, as you often hypocricaly tell me to do. Idiot or mistaken, Idiot or mistaken Idiot or mistaken... Can Mr. Happy Head say W00t W00t?! We got 2 scum agents last night! Great job by our vigilante, and even a greater job by our perfect scum-agent hunter Creeps, 3-for-3 baby! You're so damned good I could kiss you right now! And yeah, that pretty much seals my complete trust and faith in you, sorry for the initial doubts. Only a scum agent would be that very pessimistic amidst all the recent success that we're having. And just to confirm Creep's findings, you are indeed a Blocker, you yourself told me when you approached me in a private conversation. Remember when you told me about the Pies that you could create/bake to block other's actons? I have the recordings of such conversation happening that I will share with everybody: Simon Said: What's even more suspicious of you is when I asked you if you could invent other items aside from Blocking Pies, you never bothered to respond back! And why is that? You're sacred out of your shitty pants already? Oh I'm so sorry Mr. Simon, am I being too rude to you now? I'll get the Giant Pacifier from the Creeps if you'd like. Another if I may. Really? Really? You're still doubting Creeps after successfully leading the criminals in taking out three scum agents?! You my psychotic friend, are just being too blatantly obvious right now, and here I thought you were a highly intellectual psychologist, but you're inexplicably exposing your true colors right now. Indeed he is. We have damning evidences against you Scarey-face, which we'll save for later. Hmm, my message box dissagrees with you, no PM was ever sent to me asking what else I could invent. LIAR!!! I Swear on the Holy Bible about this also. Oh and just get lost, why are half of you too full of yourselves to be polite. Simon cannot make anything that are not exploding pies, he is lieing, and very badly Ooh! Great, now the best townie is attacking me! I don't think you are one to comment on others lying, you're not exactly any better. Well my suspicions are about in line with the Creeper's, Pieman seems pretty suspicious, as does two-face to a lesser extent. I'm afraid I don't have any new information to give, but still I will try to be more active in these events. Sheep! I'd watch out, a certain rude idiot will get angry is he doesn't like you. Just because the Creep has lead us well so far, doesn't mean he's always right. Stop being his damn minions and think for yourselves. Oh and before any idiot jumps on me, I am going to read through again to look for suspects. Wait before you make accusations. Whoops, it appears you did send that PM after all Doll, I unswear on the Holy Bible, as I made a mistake. For some reason the 'new message recieved' thing didn't come up, so I missed it. Sorry.
TheBoyWonder Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 I can honestly say, I am 99% the Pieman is scum. Lets just hope there is no day kill. Pieman, get ready to die. Those pies are probably sabotaged. Remember that movie Baritones 3? That apple grenade that killed the firefighter. SCUM or DUMB? In one phrase, you completly changed what you said at the beginning. And what is this PM you talk of? Is it 'Pieman Meat'? Scum or Dumb?
Jedi master Brick Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 My findings were this "His pies are strong enough to knock someone out for a night" Nothing about inventing
Scorpiox Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 Croc you are pathetic. Why are you sure I'm scum? Because Creepy weepy said so and he's always right? Learn to listen I never changed anything I said, Idiot or mistaken... I'm sure your role is Sheep (must select a player and do what ever they say). Grow a brain of your own.
Brickdoctor Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 4. I never claimed the blocker, I'm the inventor, and as far as I know I can only make exploding pies to block people. Maybe reading the thread will help, as you often hypocricaly tell me to do. For the purposes of this discussion, an Inventor that can only Block might as well be considered a Blocker. You yourself claim it's the only thing you can do, after all. Oh and just get lost, why are half of you too full of yourselves to be polite. You do realize that right now, you're being impolite to the people you're calling impolite making you just as bad as them, right?
Scorpiox Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 For the purposes of this discussion, an Inventor that can only Block might as well be considered a Blocker. You yourself claim it's the only thing you can do, after all. You do realize that right now, you're being impolite to the people you're calling impolite making you just as bad as them, right? Ok, fair enought point, but the argument stands. The town is unlikely to have two blockers, but can easily have a block inventor and a blocker. I understand what you mean, but I have been trying to be nice this whole game, but the creep and Doll seem unwilling to do the same. This makes Simon an irritated Pieman, and occaisonally might say something rude back. But I'm trying to remain calm.
Jedi master Brick Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 Just because you have started calling people sheep you think you can get off the hook,you are an awful liar. I know where my votes going.
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