Scubacarrot Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 Pulls out notebook. A good fight is always good for an article, way to spice things up, Mr Attabar and Mr Fitzwilliam! Although not 'sacrificing' someone is statistically a better option, I doubt the big evil statue will let us get away with it. Mr Fitzwilliam, you say you have been very active for the town so far, do you mean your duel of words with our cook, or is there more to it? It may just be my enhanced sense of seeing a sensational piece in everything, but am I the only one that thinks that it almost looks like Ahmed Apu is defending Mehmet Attabar? That would certainly be very suspicious, especially at this point.
WhiteFang Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 Now now, all this bickering... Can't we all be friends? Now I really wish we can all be friends but the sad fact is, it's hard for us to trust one another fully. I dislike the squabbling too.
Professor Flitwick Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 Baa-haa-haa! All this reminds me of my brother, dontcha know? Takes me back to the fights we had trying to win matron's affection, dontcha know! Ah... splendid man... Died of Spainish Flu, dontcha know? ... Yes, never forgiven them for it... Phaw? Where was I? Yes, the sacrificing! Why not just draw a name out of a hat? Jolly spot of bad luck for the poor blighter, if he turns out to be innocent! If he's a cultist - or a Jerry! - then bully for us! Baa!
Fugazi Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 Ah, had a much too short nap but here I am again, ready to tackle the harsh reality of being stuck in the desert with a bunch of bloodthirsty madmen -- not to mention the Cultists. Reminds me of EVERY book I've read. Dolts. The two smart folk always take each other out instead of working together. There can only be one and all that. Whatever. It's their funeral when they fight over nothing, though they sure ain't doing the rest of us any favors by doing it. That's a valid thought, but let's not assume too quickly that both of the smart folk are townies and should be working together for the betterment of life, the universe and everything. As others mentioned, I wouldn't put it past scum to be very active on this first day of our predicament in order to cast sand in our eyes. How can you tell Mr. Fitzwilliam is being suspicious over nothing? Perhaps he has indeed picked up on certain traits associated with those dasterdly Cultists hiding in our midst. Whatever he may have observed, it seems you are quick to religate them to paranoia. As to this business of the end of the voting period, I find your incessant repition of the matter bordering more upon a facade of concern than true usefulness and thus agree with Mr. Fitzwilliam in his appraisal of your assistance in solving the difficulty at hand. It may just be my enhanced sense of seeing a sensational piece in everything, but am I the only one that thinks that it almost looks like Ahmed Apu is defending Mehmet Attabar? That would certainly be very suspicious, especially at this point. I'm suspicious of people starting to defend one another so early in the game, and I think this is something we should be looking for in order to smoke out scum. On the other hand, Mr Fitzwilliam and Mr Attabar both seem to have supporters, but they can't both be scum unless they're treating us to a very elaborate faked argument. Perhaps neither of them is scum. Perhaps the scummiest are those who try to keep the focus on a fight between two townies, which will keep fingers pointed away from them? Just thinking out loud here. Baa-haa-haa! All this reminds me of my brother, dontcha know? Takes me back to the fights we had trying to win matron's affection, dontcha know! Ah... splendid man... Died of Spainish Flu, dontcha know? ... Yes, never forgiven them for it... Phaw? Where was I? Yes, the sacrificing! Why not just draw a name out of a hat? Jolly spot of bad luck for the poor blighter, if he turns out to be innocent! If he's a cultist - or a Jerry! - then bully for us! Baa! Um, thank you for your views on the current events. Very insightful. I will keep them (or you?) in mind when voting time comes.
def Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 Mr Fitzwilliam, you say you have been very active for the town so far, do you mean your duel of words with our cook, or is there more to it? http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=64526&view=findpost&p=1165945 What I will say is this: I don't know who the Cult scum are. If I did, we would have solved this mystery already. But it seems there needs to be a lynch on day one. Even if it wasn't needed, it's a good way to get the ball rolling and give us something to consider later (assuming we aren't so foolish as to all unanimously vote for the same person). I have supported voting from the start. Nobody seems to be willing to point fingers, even though that is how we get these discussions rolling. Nobody except me, that is I see some peculiarities in Attabar's attitude, as I've stated (http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=64526&view=findpost&p=1165835), and it has been compounded by the fact that his rebuttal was to bend the truth, shall I say, to put things generously (http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=64526&view=findpost&p=1165930), while telling another who agreed with my points that they were following me blindly. It's all a little too aggressive and unfounded for me. I find Apu's behavior troubling too. I feel like they are gearing up to (try to) make me the sacrificial lamb today. Some of Apu's statements have an air of accusation, despite being utterly incorrect. The one that stands out to me is this: As for your refusal to reveal your list before voting, I'm just saying, my friend, that the reason we can't vote for the first few hours is so that we get to hear other's feedback. You claim we are making spam (which is a delicacy in my town, of course, so I don't know why everyone is all in a huff about it) in this thread, but you refuse to help us begin being productive. I admit you have good points. I want to vote. I just wish to hear your thoughts now so we may begin to formulate ideas. You have said our cook is one of your suspects, let us hear some more! He is claiming I'm not being productive, while I've actually been the only one to make any concrete statements. The second part just sounds like prep-work for a later vote when he isn't satisfied with my 'production'. Perhaps I'm being paranoid, but that is all too often how these "Day One"s go I do think it's quite likely that most the scum are the quieter ones among us, but of the outspoken ones, these two are tingling my scumdar, between their hostile attitudes and their slippery grasp of the few facts we have. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When I was but a wee boy, sitting on the lap of my dear gran-mamar, she would coo a sweet refrain that soothed me and set my li'l Fitzwilliam noggin to rest: scum or dumb, scum or dumb... I do not think these two are fools, as it were, and it is a cause for worry.
Hinckley Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 When I was but a wee boy, sitting on the lap of my dear gran-mamar, she would coo a sweet refrain that soothed me and set my li'l Fitzwilliam noggin to rest: scum or dumb, scum or dumb... I do not think these two are fools, as it were, and it is a cause for worry. Scum or dumb? And you don't think you're insulting anyone's intelligence. Not everyone who finds you suspicious is stupid and not everyone who argues against you is bending the truth. Go ahead and vote for me if you're so convinced. I will say I agree that the people who have run to support either me or Fitzwilliam could be seen as suspicious. I'm still wondering who he found suspicious before the argument began. He said he had some list, which we still haven't heard anything about. I am more suspicious of Penelope Farago than Gordon Bennet. I think Mr. Bennet was simply responding to Mr. Fitzwilliam's constant proclamation of innocence-which I don't think is a good place to focus any suspicion. I think this is simply Mr. Fitzwilliam's attempt to mirror practices in the land he comes from and bring this style here to our hole in the desert. That behavior is a character flaw on his part, but benign as far as suspicion goes. Ahmed Apu may be choosing sides, but he may also just be an outspoken hot-head. He is at least discussing things and has some suspicions of his own. Penelope's defense of Mr. Fitzwilliam came very early and was very clear. It seems suspicious to me. Not concrete, but all that has really stuck out to me. Outside of my previously voiced concern over Mr. Fitzwilliam's blowhard attitude and relative dickish manner of speaking to the rest of us. That is probably more the result of an ego war, but I defiantly...I mean definitely think we should keep an eye on him.
CorneliusMurdock Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 Can't a man go put on a pretty pink dress set up rabbit snares without missing all the good fighting? I can't help but feel that there's something that we're missing with all this arguing. Have we found out what the Cultists want, besides our probable deaths? Seems like a pretty important detail to know. While we can all go cower in fear about them Any-ing us, I'd at least feel better if we knew for sure what their winning move was.
Fugazi Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 Have we found out what the Cultists want, besides our probable deaths? Seems like a pretty important detail to know. While we can all go cower in fear about them Any-ing us, I'd at least feel better if we knew for sure what their winning move was. Well we obviously still haven't heard from Ossie or Is, but there's this slightly odd comment they made this morning (emphasis mine)... 'Do you think they've listened to everything we've said?' 'Well they must have had some thoughts when they signed up for this expedition.' Is there something we might have overlooked in our chatter on the way to this place?
def Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 Have we found out what the Cultists want, besides our probable deaths? Seems like a pretty important detail to know. What makes you think they want something besides our deaths? The standard is that they want us dead. I've never seen it be otherwise. I'd really like to know why you ask.
Hinckley Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 Is there something we might have overlooked in our chatter on the way to this place? Well, clearly, I missed the year. I'll help by remembering our chatter as well... Wait, that's the sign-up thread. What would we be looking for? I was thinking we should check the confirmation... I'll just check both. ---- Not everything that isn't your idea deserves to be met with cynicism and derision. What makes you think they want something besides our deaths? The standard is that they want us dead. I've never seen it be otherwise. I'd really like to know why you ask. But be warned - his Dark Side demands specific sacrifice too.' Also, balls slut applesauce.
def Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 Not everything that isn't your idea deserves to be met with cynicism and derision. It's true! And which is why I asked him why he was asking that, without a drop of cynicism or derision. Stop being a nag
Hinckley Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 If you're town, you're a dipshit. ... Well, this is certainly intelligence insulting. I guess everyone who can't guess your strategy or is lower than your almighty intellect is stupid. Oh well...
def Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 Well, this is certainly intelligence insulting. I guess everyone who can't guess your strategy or is lower than your almighty intellect is stupid. Oh well... Wait, you forgot the whole message: "If you're town, you're a dipshit. I was asking him that since I thought he might be a scum tipping his hat with too much knowledge in thread. But you gave him an answer, so he'd have to be real stupid not to just use that. So, you'll have to stay the top of the suspect list now " Thanks for trying to muddy the facts yet again I don't say this out of cynicism or derision, but because you really seem to be trying to misinforming everyone. It's really not helpful. If you think I'm scum, and want to make a case about me, that's what you should do, in an honest manner. If you don't think I'm scum, then you should stop trying so hard to be a pest. Even if I accuse you, you shouldn't be trying to get back at me unless you think I'm scum. Maybe you are carrying around a chip on your shoulder, and you're not a scum trying to lynch the only townie to put themselves out there on day one, but it's really hard to tell the difference at the moment.
Tamamono Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 I don't think we'll learn much by not voting. Maybe at the end of the day we should agree to not lunch lynch sacrifice anyone. But voting patterns is what we'll need in the coming days... if we last that long. Maybe some scorpion balls will make me last longer. I suppose you're right about that, Percy. While not voting could potentially save an innocent Nocturnal Skiller, it would also waste a day in which we could have gotten voting patterns to help us catch the cultists. In any case, it defiantly definitely looks like we will be voting today, and this has been a pretty active Day 1, so there's definitely hope for us to find a cultist today. I can't help but think that the Cultists (and "experienced" people at that) will make a conscious effort to be super-active publicly so as to look innocent, While that's true, Mr. Fitzwilliam is drawing a lot of negative attention, and that's something a cultist would not want. I don't think any cultists would just come out of the blue talking about how 'useful' and 'innocent' they are before anyone's even spoken to them. It looks to me like both Attabar and Fitzwilliam are townies, and they're having a silly little quarrel while the scum sit on the sidelines and laugh their a$$es off watching two of the most outspoken townies try to tear each other down. We need to work together, people, not against each other.
Hinckley Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 Thanks for trying to muddy the facts yet again I just left that first part because I didn't want to give your strategy away. Don't cry. I love you! I don't say this out of cynicism or derision, but because you really seem to be trying to misinforming everyone. It's really not helpful. If you think I'm scum, and want to make a case about me, that's what you should do, in an honest manner. If you don't think I'm scum, then you should stop trying so hard to be a pest. Even if I accuse you, you shouldn't be trying to get back at me unless you think I'm scum. I was just trying to point out that you are insulting. It's true. You are a smart man and would be a dangerous scum. Your reactions to constant annoyance could give you away if you are hiding something. Also, I think my suspicions have been presented clearly. This first day ego war has definitely presented us with enough reactions from the others to start looking for potentially odd behavior. One might be able to analyze people's reactions to the situation already.
CorneliusMurdock Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 What makes you think they want something besides our deaths? The standard is that they want us dead. I've never seen it be otherwise. I'd really like to know why you ask. I find it odd that the way the Cultists win has been omitted and, though our gracious hosts have heard us discussing the matter, that omission has not been remedied. In my mind that seems like maybe there's a chance they have a nonstandard way of winning. If that's the case it is in our, the town's, best interest to find out what that is in order to prevent it from happening.
def Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 While that's true, Mr. Fitzwilliam is drawing a lot of negative attention, and that's something a cultist would not want. I don't think any cultists would just come out of the blue talking about how 'useful' and 'innocent' they are before anyone's even spoken to them. The reason I say I'm innocent is and working hard is because it's funny to say. That is my sense of humor. It is apparently not yours. Nor is it the sense of humor of most of the others here, but I find it really amusing on day one of a mafia to laughably announce I'm super-innocent. It has has to do with Monty Python or Mr.Show, or a pile of other comedy forms that don't exist at this moment, in 1936. That must be the problem here, I'm ahead of my time Imagine, a small lamb, with soft, fuzzy ears, and large, batting eyes. It plays in a grassy field littered with daisies. At the top of a hill, nestled in the mountains, there is some milk in a saucer made of silver, with a drop of honey in it to sweeten it. That small lamb, with not a care in this world, drinks from it as the sun shines on its back, warming it to the touch. Can you see that image? That's me! I was having fun, not one single person here gets a joke not based on sluts, apparently. Once again, my mistake. Sometimes, my sense of humor intersects with the folks in this little sandy valley (ie, by shoving a pool cue up someones butt) but as often as not, I'm the only one laughing at my own jokes
Tamamono Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 The reason I say I'm innocent is and working hard is because it's funny to say. That is my sense of humor. It is apparently not yours. Nor is it the sense of humor of most of the others here, but I find it really amusing on day one of a mafia to laughably announce I'm super-innocent. It has has to do with Monty Python or Mr.Show, or a pile of other comedy forms that don't exist at this moment, in 1936. That must be the problem here, I'm ahead of my time There is a very fine line between 'funny' and 'annoying'. Sure, it's fine to make a few jokes to lighten the situation a bit, but when people get sick of it, you stop. It's easy as that. What I was saying to Gordon before was that you are probably not a cultist because you seem more than happy to draw a lot of attention, and that's something a cultist would want to avoid at all costs. Even active cultists would want to seem active without really engaging in the conversation that much.
CorneliusMurdock Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 Imagine, a small lamb, with soft, fuzzy ears, and large, batting eyes. It plays in a grassy field littered with daisies. At the top of a hill, nestled in the mountains, there is some milk in a saucer made of silver, with a drop of honey in it to sweeten it. That small lamb, with not a care in this world, drinks from it as the sun shines on its back, warming it to the touch. Oh. Are you softer than a feather boa? That would be awesome because I've lost mine.
Hinckley Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 The reason I say I'm innocent is and working hard is because it's funny to say. That is my sense of humor. It is apparently not yours. Nor is it the sense of humor of most of the others here, but I find it really amusing on day one of a mafia to laughably announce I'm super-innocent. It has has to do with Monty Python or Mr.Show, or a pile of other comedy forms that don't exist at this moment, in 1936. That must be the problem here, I'm ahead of my time Imagine, a small lamb, with soft, fuzzy ears, and large, batting eyes. It plays in a grassy field littered with daisies. At the top of a hill, nestled in the mountains, there is some milk in a saucer made of silver, with a drop of honey in it to sweeten it. That small lamb, with not a care in this world, drinks from it as the sun shines on its back, warming it to the touch. Can you see that image? That's me! I was having fun, not one single person here gets a joke not based on sluts, apparently. Once again, my mistake. Sometimes, my sense of humor intersects with the folks in this little sandy valley (ie, by shoving a pool cue up someones butt) but as often as not, I'm the only one laughing at my own jokes Lamb jokes? What the hell is this shit? Let me intervene for Mr. FitzwilliamPatrickson here. Once upon a time, deffy the sheep lived in a far off desert and had to go through a similar ordeal. In that situation, a lamb would show up and say "Just checking in! Just wanted to reassure you all I'm not a cultist." This behavior impressed deffy the sheep and he's trying to enlighten us and bring the light-heartedness and "expert play" here to our hole in the desert. See? It's just a silly thing. He thinks this type of humor enhances the level of play. He envisions future holes in the desert where people follow his lead and say things like "Sorry I haven't posted today! I'm just checking in to re-assure you all I'm not scum." It's neither suspicious or re-assuring because who can take anyone at their word. Who would actually try to pre-defend themselves so blatantly unless they're completely brain dead. Ooops? Was than an intelligence insult? No, not unless he is Scum and was actually trying to avoid any suspicion by repeatedly telling us he's innocent. It's clearly a joke/attempt to bring a style of play from another hole ... in the desert. Ignore it! His "I'm working twice as hard" is probably part of the same joke, although odd, not funny and a little egotistical, but completely benign, in my opinion, and not worthy of further discussion. Certainly, let's not give him a chance to slam his head against the wall again. He has answered to it several times and each time he has to again, it gives him yet another chance to insult someone's intelligence. I'm not saying he's innocent, but he's definitely not guilty just because he continuously made a lame joke. Balls.
Brickdoctor Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 Now I really wish we can all be friends but the sad fact is, it's hard for us to trust one another fully. I dislike the squabbling too. The statement to which you replied also stated that it was a joke when it said that it wished we could all be friends. I don't think Johnson actually wants that. After all, without disagreement, we'd lose a big part of our ability to analyze behavior and voting patterns. Baa-haa-haa! All this reminds me of my brother, dontcha know? Takes me back to the fights we had trying to win matron's affection, dontcha know! Ah... splendid man... Died of Spainish Flu, dontcha know? ... Yes, never forgiven them for it... Phaw? Where was I? Yes, the sacrificing! Why not just draw a name out of a hat? Jolly spot of bad luck for the poor blighter, if he turns out to be innocent! If he's a cultist - or a Jerry! - then bully for us! Baa! I don't see how this statement is helpful. It seems to apply to the conversation at first glance, but it's really just a slightly humorous opinion on random lynching - which none of us want and probably do not plan to do anyways - embellished with some facts we don't need to know and an accent that is clearly roleplaying acting.
Hinckley Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 I don't see how this statement is helpful. It seems to apply to the conversation at first glance, but it's really just a slightly humorous opinion on random lynching - which none of us want and probably do not plan to do anyways - embellished with some facts we don't need to know and an accent that is clearly roleplaying acting. Embellished with facts? The nerve! It was rather rambling. And his only contribution so far has been to suggest we pick a random name. The Scum wouldn't want that, would they though? Either way, we had already discussed what a foolish move drawing a name out of a hat would be. Odd that he chose the exact language. Or perhaps he's not listening at all... Noted odd behavior though.
Pandora Posted January 9, 2012 Author Posted January 9, 2012 Mod Note A game day will last a maximum of 72 hours. You may not vote in the first 24 hours. The day will end after 72 hours, unless the group are decided on a lynch. After the day has concluded, a night stage will commence, which will last a maximum of 48 hours. Night actions must be sent to the host, using the initial character PM thread only, in the first 24 hours of the night stage. They will not be accepted after this deadline has passed. The day will last 72 hours and the person with the most votes will be lynched. A majority vote is not required. If it is clear that a decision has been made by the group and there is an extended period of inactivity in the day thread then we might close the day early, however we will give warning.
Brickdoctor Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 Embellished with facts? The nerve! I'm referring to the thing about the brother who died from the Spanish flu. I can only assume that that's a fact, and we certainly didn't need to know it.
Hinckley Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 Mod Note The day will last 72 hours and the person with the most votes will be lynched. A majority vote is not required. If it is clear that a decision has been made by the group and there is an extended period of inactivity in the day thread then we might close the day early, however we will give warning. Finally, she finished mowing the lawn. Of course, the rule is clear that a majority doesn't get the vote, but my question was about reaching a majority. A majority would be the most votes and in some games that ends the day. That's where I was asking for clarification. Thanks for answering the rest about if a game day goes inactive. I guess it's not necessary for me to re-iterate why I asked about majority. I'm just being a know-it-all brat, so there. I'm referring to the thing about the brother who died from the Spanish flu. I can only assume that that's a fact, and we certainly didn't need to know it. Oh, what do you know? I always thought "embellish" meant making a story sound better by adding untrue, but the actualy definition is unnecessary with "especially untrue facts" tacked on at the end. I learned something today. So, I thought you were committing an oxymoron, but it was just an oxy.
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