The Curse of IMHOTEP - Day Two

[Bob]

Is it just me who thinks Mehmet is overreacting a bit to the claimed investigation result?

I do see signs of overreaction, but I'm not sure what to make of it. Either he's vehemently trying to defend himself to survive since he's a connection to the people whose roles he's found, or he's a cultist and he's trying to save himself. I'll wait, though, to see what others have to say about this.

[Hinckley]

Here's the conclusion I've reached about the mirrored cloak I was protected with. If I would've thought of this earlier, I wouldn't have revealed what the tracker thought he saw me doing, for obvious reasons. I'm wearing a mirror at night. It keeps me protected but gives other night actions a mirror image result. The tracker tries to find out who I'm tracking. He sees me track def, which was opposite, def was tracking me. So, either def is a framer and was caught framing me by the tracker or def was targeting me. Or perhaps he is the actual investigator and saw a mirror image of my affiliation.

But then wouldn't I be seen also targeting the protector who claims to have protected me as well??

Sounds pretty convoluted to me. I would vote me out.

[JimBee]

Did someone give you the cloak or have you had it since the beginning of this ordeal?

[Tamamono]

To me it seems like 1 of 2 things has happened, either mr Cook was framed, or he is actually a cultist.

At the moment, I can not choose between the two, so I will go with MY prime candidate for being a cultist, Captain Roger.

He still has not given me any reason to believe him being innocent.

Vote: Captain Roger Goodenarde (Professor Flitwick)

Mellifluous, Captain Roger has claimed a role that can be very useful to the camp. And you want to lynch him for that!? Sure, I was suspicious of him at first because of his stupid idea about random voting as well, but I'm willing to listen to him if his role claim is for real. Also, you're the only person who seems to still have any problem with Captain Roger. If he was scum, there's a very good chance that the people who are organizing things behind the scenes would have brought up his name already today.

Use your head, Mellifluous!

Here's the conclusion I've reached about the mirrored cloak I was protected with. If I would've thought of this earlier, I wouldn't have revealed what the tracker thought he saw me doing, for obvious reasons. I'm wearing a mirror at night. It keeps me protected but gives other night actions a mirror image result. The tracker tries to find out who I'm tracking. He sees me track def, which was opposite, def was tracking me. So, either def is a framer and was caught framing me by the tracker or def was targeting me. Or perhaps he is the actual investigator and saw a mirror image of my affiliation.

But then wouldn't I be seen also targeting the protector who claims to have protected me as well??

Sounds pretty convoluted to me. I would vote me out.

Mehmet is right - his story sounds pretty convoluted. I just don't feel comfortable with voting him out. Maybe it's gut feeling, and we all know how those always turn out, but I think he's innocent. I just can't see any other options for today.

[Hinckley]

Did someone give you the cloak or have you had it since the beginning of this ordeal?

Someone used it on me last night.

Mellifluous, Captain Roger has claimed a role that can be very useful to the camp. And you want to lynch him for that!? Sure, I was suspicious of him at first because of his stupid idea about random voting as well, but I'm willing to listen to him if his role claim is for real. Also, you're the only person who seems to still have any problem with Captain Roger. If he was scum, there's a very good chance that the people who are organizing things behind the scenes would have brought up his name already today.

He can't claim his results, in thread, or it reveals another Virgin. However, he has been relatively quiet today. It would be great if anybody could vouch for him. We'll have to have someone track or follow or investigate him tonight. With evil me out of the way , all Night Actions won't have to focus on me.

Mehmet is right - his story sounds pretty convoluted. I just don't feel comfortable with voting him out. Maybe it's gut feeling, and we all know how those always turn out, but I think he's innocent. I just can't see any other options for today.

Oh Yippee. Your guts are on my side. That's...quite an endorsement. I'm doomed.

[Eskallon]

What kind of a tracker/investigator gets results like 'I think'!? I think you were probably framed, Mehmet.

Definitely, saying 'I think' doesn't sound like something you would receive in a night action and even if it was, why not make it clear to Patrick/Mehmet that they may have been tampered with... Inspector Gadget sounds is starting to sound to me like a phoney.

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Now onto something new, I have my suspicions placed on Jennifer Taylor and I think its time for me to present my findings to you:

Alright, the time has come to be decisive, people. I've followed the heated debates today and it is obvious that this situation makes all of us tense. Nobody would want to be sacrificed, but ultimately one of us has to be or we will never catch the cultists.

Since there is no way of knowing anyone's alignment for me today, I will personally vote the first person who gets a vote against them. I guess this is the fairest method for me, since I cannot say who will get that vote.

However, if that first vote is against me for some reason, I naturally cannot vote myself. I hope you understand. And of course if something more concrete comes up, I won't hesitate to change my vote.

So we start with her admitting to want to vote randomly, she even notes that it can be anyone for any reasoning and she will vote for them. So to all those that think our Captain roger is being suspicious, well lets just say that he isn't the only one in full support of voting. what strikes me as slightly odd is that at the end of this post she makes sure to mention the changing her vote if anything comes up, fair play and thats fine, but lets see what else she has to say.

Please read what I said to the end...

Of course I'll change my vote if something more convincing comes up, but as of now I cannot tell who is lying and who is telling the truth, so I chose this method of random voting. By being open about it I hopefully won't get dubious looks.

Soon enough her methods were challenged and thats her reply to people claiming her voting methods stupid. First she takes on the slightly more aggressive move by telling us to re-read her post. Then a complete change in tone, she takes the soft sweet tone where she acts innocent. Seriously, if you are gonna have a more aggressive act then stick to it woman and stop trying to play us like a pack of dirty dogs.

The bottom line for me is that I do not trust any sort of behaviour or matter of speech to reveal anything about a person's alignment. The cultists could be hiding behind the noisy ones, or they could be the noisy ones themselves. A passive player could as well be a cultist as an active player. And nobody has approached me with any sort of claim or theory that would help me make any sort of decision as to whom to vote for, so my strategy sticks.

I am going to vote: Toulouse Leplot/WhiteFang, even though I am aware Ophelia will most likely draw back her vote. If the votes start piling on somebody else, I might change my vote. But at least now I've done my duty as an innocent victim of this dire situation and voted.

At the first opportunity she leaps onto the bandwagon and places her vote, sure it goes along with her random voting theory but lets carry on with the story. Also note the change from aggressive to soft by the end of the post. I am starting to see a pattern here.

Anyway, obviously people did not rise en masse to vote for Mr. Leplot, so I am going to unvote: Toulouse Leplot (WhiteFang). And since people seem to be most suspicious against Mrs. Farago, I am going to vote: Penelope Farago (Waterbrick Down). Sorry if you're not one of the cultists, I just have no way of knowing that right now.

As soon as Jennifer realises nobody wants to stick to her poor method of voting, she tries to avoid the already gained attention and switches her vote to Penelope, blending in with the crowd I see there Jennifer. Oh and yet again we see the pattern develop further. Tut Tut Jennifer, shame on you for making it so obvious. We skip her next post since it was pointless and lets move onto this one:

Since people are choosing sides now, I might as well do that myself.

Mr. Fitzwilliam, you certainly have not made any friends today with your behaviour, but somehow you still have people voting with you (especially Mr. Leplot). Try a piece of humble pie in your next life, okay?

Unvote: Penelope Farago (Waterbrick Down)

Vote: Patrick Fitzwilliam (def)

Isn't choosing sides all you have done since the beginning So you yet again switch your vote and join the bandwagon, cant you just make a desicion and stick to it. We all switched our votes yesterday but the difference between you and them is that the others gave proper reasons as to why they were voting other players and switching votes.

That was Jennifer's last post of the day, perfect timing since it meant she wasn't one of the many to vote out an innocent. Funnily enough and since metagaming is allowed, she was online and able to post/modify her vote to help out the crowd but chose not to. She chose not to try and help the innocents.

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Day 2

Speaking of whom, I really did not appreciate the whole last-minute vote switcheroo stunt that Mehmet organized. At least I hope people don't follow something like that on consecutive days, for it's way too easy for cultists to abuse. Just think about it: Mehmet rallied just enough people to get a lynch in the last possible moment before sundown just by saying "quick, change your votes for I have a gut-feeling!" while most of us had already gone to bed. I'm not saying that makes him scum by default, but I do hope people are smarter than to fall for that trick again.

Well if you had so much against this then why didnt you say something yesterday, I can see that you were online just before the end of the day so why not have made a post to show your objection. I think the answer is simple, you wanted us to believe you had no part in this, that while everyone else was there voting an innocent you were in the background voicing your opinion. The truth is that you let it happen just as much as me, Mehmet or anyone did. By the looks of it from this post, you had your fingers pointed at Mehmet before the investigation result.

You're right. This also makes me wonder if we should even vote at all without solid evidence against someone... Of course, there's always the risk of the cultists voting someone out in the last minute, but on the other hand that would expose them... But at this point we (or at least I) don't know if we even have a vigilante on our side, which on the worst case scenario would mean that if we don't vote, the cultists win by default.

Ugh, what a mess!

Again, I can see that this is another little dig at Mehmet, maybe you were hoping some innocent would pick up on it and start the bandwagon against Mehmet for you. Next time you want to say something then say it loud and clear but don't make useless little digs at people hoping that someone will read it. You don't know if we have a vigilant, well I haven't seen a game on EB without one, your not stupid so don't act so stupid because I can see right through it.

Forgot to send a night action that can confirm a virgin? I call bs, let's nail the faux man of steel. God (in this case IMHOTEP) knows Father Tomato was lynched for much less than that....

Besides, even if Superman is telling the truth, we won't be losing much since he'll never remember to use the power he's been given.

Also, lynching "Superman" even if he was speaking the truth is better than lynching a person who turns out to be a virgin. Although of course we must prioritize on the people we know to be cultists first.

Always trying to get a vote or a say in something Maybe another dig for information to supply your fellow scummy friends. Surely you can see like everyone else that superman seems to be a valuable asset, since Mehmet made it clear he wanted to give superman another chance then why didn't you accept that rather than try to rally support for a lynch like we have seen you do all of yesterday.

What adds my worry is that Mehmet tried to persuade me to reveal what kind of an innocent I am just recently, at which point I just left the discussion. I really do not like the idea of a single player holding all the cards, and if I look at Mehmet's behaviour from these past two days, I can't help but to notice aggressiveness that hints he might be a cultist.

Possibly your most hypocritical post yet, so if he has been oh so aggressive then what have you been. Sure he was digging more for what he wanted but as far as I can see, your being pretty aggressive too. So in other words you inadvertantly just called yourself a cultist.

I don't really see that we have much of an option here, at least not with the information we got... Either we lynch Mehmet for the investigation result or Mr. Fitzwilliam for giving us the result. No other name has been put out in the table, if we exclude all those "gut feelings" from yesterday.

I still cannot believe 13 of us would be spilling their beans to Mehmet in just a day and a half, and I still insist that Mehmet tried to fish out my role as well - which is something he should not have done if he was sincerely on the innocent's side.

Feeding Mehmet to the statue would be the safer bet, since if he turns out to be innocent we'd know that Patrick Fitzwilliam was either lying or being lied to. Whereas if we let Mehmet live and condemn Fitzwilliam instead, we are risking to lose another virgin, and we'd still be none the wiser as to what comes to Mehmet's allignment.

I really have trouble trusting Mehmet, he just seems too keen on controlling us and being the information-feeder. I just don't see him sincerely working for the innocents, especially not after the last-minute stunt he pulled yesterday.

That's why I will vote: Mehmet Attabar (Hinckley). If you turn up to be innocent, I apologize for mistrusting you, and hope that you have trusted the right people in passing on whatever information was given to you.

So onto the big post of the day and what you have been waiting for, your chance to finally directly pick on Mehmet and his final change of vote. You seem to have some trust in the investigation results otherwise you wouldn't be at this stage. I have one question to ask you- How clever do you think Mehmet is? It would take days to conjure up this plan and the risk would be so high that there would be no point. To you feeding anyone to the statue would be a safe bet. Mehmet is a valuable asset to us. Besides since a few people have told me they can confirm his list, there would be no reason for him to lie. I think its a mixture of jealousy and scummyness. You have been setting Mehmet up all day, from the subtle hints to this. You didn't need investigation results or whatnot to make that vote, you were ready to make that vote as soon as daylight hit.

... As was the conclusion I came in my musings. Really, people, don't you even listen to what I'm trying say?

I put Fitzwilliam's name up for contemplation because we only have his word about that investigation result. I never denied that he could've been lied to, but I also did not want to cross out the option that he's been lying to us. And the only way to even get close to finding that out is to lynch Mehmet.

Surely another way would be to simply and privately find a way to verify(or not) Def's source. Besides can you not come to your own conclusion about Mehmet? Like I said, you have been after him since the beginning of the day. Your reasons are pathetic and your whole existence is even more pathetic. Why wernt you voted off yesterday...

As a Summary:

-Random Voting is a no no, especially after its made clear that we may have some culprits.

-Constant change in tone from aggressive to sweet.

-Attempts to jump onto the Bandwagon once without reason.

-Attempts to jump onto the Bandwagon again without reason.

-Jumps onto the Bandwagon again without reason.

-Ignores the thread and pretends to be innocent by not voting or speaking up.

-Claims she was upset with the days finale but never bothered to speak up when she could.

-Made silly subtle hints at this fact for the next post.

-Made even sillier subtle hints at this for the next post.

-Tries to get the name of a (supposedly trusted) useful innocent superman.

-Attacks Mehmet with stupid reasoning and claims that he was the obvious pick of the day.

-Despite the option of private investigation she blurts out comments which could be verified and people identities checked, surely if we investigated the matter as it seems we are then we could save an innocent.

Go ahead, vote for me if you really think I'm that scummy. It will at least show the rest of the innocents not to trust you tomorrow.

Okay then , Vote: Jennifer Taylor(Sandy)

[Professor Flitwick]

Here's the conclusion I've reached about the mirrored cloak I was protected with. If I would've thought of this earlier, I wouldn't have revealed what the tracker thought he saw me doing, for obvious reasons. I'm wearing a mirror at night. It keeps me protected but gives other night actions a mirror image result. The tracker tries to find out who I'm tracking. He sees me track def, which was opposite, def was tracking me. So, either def is a framer and was caught framing me by the tracker or def was targeting me. Or perhaps he is the actual investigator and saw a mirror image of my affiliation.

But Pizdefilliam claimed to be a virgin, and this was the first instance in which most of us found out there were virgins here (I don't believe I've ever been near one before! Bhaa-haa-haa!). How, if he had a night action, would have known what a virgin was in order to claim it yesterday?

Unless someone blabbed, ey-what?

[Scubacarrot]

Mellifluous, Captain Roger has claimed a role that can be very useful to the camp. And you want to lynch him for that!? Sure, I was suspicious of him at first because of his stupid idea about random voting as well, but I'm willing to listen to him if his role claim is for real. Also, you're the only person who seems to still have any problem with Captain Roger. If he was scum, there's a very good chance that the people who are organizing things behind the scenes would have brought up his name already today.

Use your head, Mellifluous!

Why would people behind the scenes have brought up his name?? As far as I know, investigations have been done elsewhere. I would like to point out that he also hasnt said or done ANYTHING useful, as far as I know. He does not say much, to be honest, except for annoying half-gibberish. YOU should use your head, you trust someone just for a claim, with NO proof WHATSOEVER that is he is innocent. I would just like to repeat that there is more than one cultist (as far as we know :/). So maybe it is a good idea not to stare blindly at the cook.

He can't claim his results, in thread, or it reveals another Virgin. However, he has been relatively quiet today. It would be great if anybody could vouch for him. We'll have to have someone track or follow or investigate him tonight. With evil me out of the way , all Night Actions won't have to focus on me.

I agree, that is why I think Captain Roger is scum, until I hear otherwise.

[Hinckley]

But Pizdefilliam claimed to be a virgin, and this was the first instance in which most of us found out there were virgins here (I don't believe I've ever been near one before! Bhaa-haa-haa!). How, if he had a night action, would have known what a virgin was in order to claim it yesterday?

Unless someone blabbed, ey-what?

Someone may have trusted him enough to confide. He's a very smart person. Did he claim Virgin to protect Virgins? Or did he claim Virgin to avoid suspicion even though he is actually a Cultist? This is why I wouldn't have said the Tracker found me targeting him, if I had thought ahead of time that it was the mirror causing that result. Like I said, someone confirmed Fitzdef's Innocence to me, though, so for Fitzdef to be Scum, then someone else I'm inclined to trust would have to be lying to me. Again, this would be a huge risk on Fitzdef's part. A ruse this convoluted could easily blow up in his face with one investigation or tracking. I'm incline to say "Why didn't you come to me with your results in private, Fitzdef?" but it's clear you just don't like me and could care less either way if I stay or go. I didn't target anybody last night and I'm not Scum. I hope you guys don't have to kill me to find out I'm telling the truth, but if that's the case, so be it.

Furthermore, anybody who says I'm putting more people at risk by explaining what could've happened with the mirror cloak and def targeting me, the Scum would've figured that out already. So I'm not telling them anything they wouldn't already know. Plus, people kept questioning my theory with the cloak, so I had to clarify. Maybe I should've just accepted being lynched and stopped that information train from going forward, but what's done is done. I'm inclined to believe Fitzdef and the person who confirmed him to me are both innocent, but you never know in these things. I was wearing a cloak that made the Nocturnal Skills focused on me go all wack-a-doo.

So maybe it is a good idea not to stare blindly at the cook.

I would call it tunnel vision. Staring blindly is kind of an oxymoron. Blind rage, blankly staring, tunnel vision... Anyway, I tend to agree with your thoughts. But, I'm not ready to lynch Good and Hard yet. I think we should try to have him investigated or tracked.

[def]

Hmm, well its worrying to see that Def. But honestly I think your making shit up here or someone is making shit up for you. I am a tard, but I know this:

You got at least one fact straight

So, as it stands I am defending Hinck, theres too much shit he would be in right now if he was scum. I will defend him till I see some more proof of his scummyness. If anyone wants to speak in private (PSST DEF) then contact me.

Listen, I'm sure you could be town, because your strategy of blabbing is not a successful scum one. But I can't see any advantage to telling you anything in private. Sorry.

-Mehmet is a cultist, we eliminate a Cultist we can discard his list as false and move on, not to mention we gain a true investigation result (are we convinced that a Cultist result was obtained or are we still calling it a conclusion reached by Fitzwilliam).

Just to be clear, I'm passing along information. I did not call Mehmet scum. I said there was a result on him that he was scum. So, you would be in error in saying that I reached a conclusion. Don't shoot the messenger

If what you are saying is correct, Mr. Cook, to me it looks very much like your being framed, (false results from tracker, and false results from an investigation).

If results are framed, there should be absolutely no hint of it, or else people will cry foul afterward. Framed results should appear 100% the same as regular night results

I don't really see that we have much of an option here, at least not with the information we got... Either we lynch Mehmet for the investigation result or Mr. Fitzwilliam for giving us the result. No other name has been put out in the table, if we exclude all those "gut feelings" from yesterday.

Jennifer Taylor has been the voice of craziness from the start of this. At this point, I'm hesitant to do anything she's doing. I will go so far as to not vote for Mehmet as long as she is, at this point in time. (I'm free to change my mind in the future, if I so choose to.)

[Scubacarrot]

If results are framed, there should be absolutely no hint of it, or else people will cry foul afterward. Framed results should appear 100% the same as regular night results

You misunderstood what I was saying, please go read it again.

[def]

You misunderstood what I was saying, please go read it again.

Maybe you misunderstood what the term 'frame' means?

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Framer

[Scubacarrot]

Maybe you misunderstood what the term 'frame' means?

http://mafiascum.net...hp?title=Framer

No, not at all.

[Hinckley]

Just to be clear, I'm passing along information.

Then how did the tracker see me tracking you in the mirror?

Wait, I'm even having trouble following this.

If the tracker saw the opposite result, then you were targeting me last night. Why?

[def]

No, not at all.

Well, I reread your post, and you said it looks like he's being framed. I don't know how else you can say it "looks like" he's being framed, unless you have privileged info. I'll just trust that you know what you meant

[Hinckley]

Jennifer Taylor has been the voice of craziness from the start of this. At this point, I'm hesitant to do anything she's doing. I will go so far as to not vote for Mehmet as long as she is, at this point in time. (I'm free to change my mind in the future, if I so choose to.)

We're on the same page there. I won't vote for myself either at this point.

[def]

If the tracker saw the opposite result, then you were targeting me last night. Why?

I did nothing last night. That's between you and your tracker to solve.

[Scubacarrot]

Well, I reread your post, and you said it looks like he's being framed. I don't know how else you can say it "looks like" he's being framed, unless you have privileged info. I'll just trust that you know what you meant

Right, I will say it slowly, in small words. . If cook was telling truth of him being no scum. then he was innocent. but investigation was cultist. so how that happen? most likely option I thought at that time, a framer...

Clear now?

[Hinckley]

I did nothing last night. That's between you and your tracker to solve.

Well, isn't it for the Camp to solve? Really, it does affect everyone.

So, if the Tracker is telling the truth and my mirror theory is correct, Fitzdef was targeting me last night. In that case, the investigator giving information to Fitzdef should know that I was potentially targeted by him as well.

If the Tracker is a liar then I could reveal who he/she is and not lose a Virgin. We could lose a tracker or Scum, but be safe in our stock of Virgins.

I could offer up the protector who said they protected me but didn't show up in the mirror when the tracker looked...if that's what's happening at all. Again, that would lead us to killing a protector or a Scum but not a Virgin.

[Zepher]

Has someone come forward and said that they made you into a mirror? Where did you get that idea from? It sounds like an ability that would belong to cultists, maybe we should drag them into the rink. If not, how did this theory come to mind, it seems rather far-fetched. Furthermore, was Fitzdef cleared or not last night, I can't tell what the consensus on that is.

[def]

Right, I will say it slowly, in small words. . If cook was telling truth of him being no scum. then he was innocent. but investigation was cultist. so how that happen? most likely option I thought at that time, a framer...

Clear now?

Sorry, I missed the part in the original post where you said the cook was telling truth the about him not being scum. Entirely my fault. Sincerest apologies

[Hinckley]

Has someone come forward and said that they made you into a mirror? Where did you get that idea from? It sounds like an ability that would belong to cultists, maybe we should drag them into the rink. If not, how did this theory come to mind, it seems rather far-fetched. Furthermore, was Fitzdef cleared or not last night, I can't tell what the consensus on that is.

Perhaps I simply said it too often for you to catch it but I was protected last night with a mirrored cloak. One protector put a mirrored cloak on me and that is verified. Another protector claims to have protected me but didn't show up in the mirror. Either way, my theory is if there are so many protectors, perhaps this protection comes with the price of reflecting all Night Action results in to a mirror image.

Makes perfect sense, right?

Ugh, this hole in the desert is giving me a headache. I'm rather annoyed with Is and Ossie if my theory about this cloak is correct. Stupid God-like entities mowing their lawn in the desert with a polar bear...

[def]

Right, I will say it slowly, in small words. . If cook was telling truth of him being no scum. then he was innocent. but investigation was cultist. so how that happen? most likely option I thought at that time, a framer...

Clear now?

On that matter though, a framing role might bring out a reverse result, but it shouldn't bring back false tracker and investigator results. I still don't think it looks like a framing.

[Hinckley]

Furthermore, was Fitzdef cleared or not last night, I can't tell what the consensus on that is.

There is no consensus. Apparently I was the one investigated last night.

How long is Betty Swallocks going to try to say something? You've been here for a long time. Are you just compiling things somewhere for further reference or are you actually going to say anything. You don't strike me as the type to stay quiet when stuck in a hole in the desert...

On that matter though, a framing role might bring out a reverse result, but it shouldn't bring back false tracker and investigator results. I still don't think it looks like a framing.

Does it look like a mirror image? Did the Tracker see you targeting me in the mirror and you were framing me?

But then why wouldn't the protector or investigator show up in the mirror then???? This is nuts.

[Scubacarrot]

On that matter though, a framing role might bring out a reverse result, but it shouldn't bring back false tracker and investigator results. I still don't think it looks like a framing.

Now that I know a bit more, and have thought it over, I agree :)