Hinckley Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Yes, and I already told you that I respected your opinion (even though your reasoning is weak), and I'm welcome to any sort of investigation. I already told you what I meant: So really, there's no need to continue to poke at me in thread. What's really suspicious is not my mistake in wording back on Day 1, but why you keep pushing the subject, in private and in thread. Why do you continue to do so? I'm honestly asking. OK. What's really suspicious is not my mistake in wording back on Day 1, but why you keep pushing the subject, in private and in thread. Why do you continue to do so? I'm honestly asking. Keep asking what? What have I asked you? Oh sorry. I misread. You think I'm pushing you? Talk to Fitzdef about feeling pushed by me. I have not begun to push you. I can't figure out if you are Scum or not so I'm pushing you. :poke: :poke: :poke: :poke:
JimBee Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Oh I see. Never mind then. Would it help if I said I was innocent? I'm innocent. So now you know.
Eskallon Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Well, it is possible that all this (the events surrounding Mehmet) is just a bunch of Cultist trickery, and Mehmet's made some good points. I Vote: Jennifer Taylor (Sandy). I made some good points too Trust the idiots to follow Mehmet whenever he says something and not give the original author the credit. For now, though, I'll Vote: Jennifer Taylor (Sandy) because of her strange behavior since Day 1. I think Hugh summed it up the best. Thank You, now for anyone else who failed to read my lengthy post on Jennifer let me repost the summary part of it: As a Summary: -Random Voting is a no no, especially after its made clear that we may have some culprits. -Constant change in tone from aggressive to sweet. -Attempts to jump onto the Bandwagon once without reason. -Attempts to jump onto the Bandwagon again without reason. -Jumps onto the Bandwagon again without reason. -Ignores the thread and pretends to be innocent by not voting or speaking up. -Claims she was upset with the days finale but never bothered to speak up when she could. -Made silly subtle hints at this fact for the next post. -Made even sillier subtle hints at this for the next post. -Tries to get the name of a (supposedly trusted) useful innocent superman. -Attacks Mehmet with stupid reasoning and claims that he was the obvious pick of the day. -Despite the option of private investigation she blurts out comments which could be verified and people identities checked, surely if we investigated the matter as it seems we are then we could save an innocent. Read this you damn fools!! Sorry bout that, but credit should be given where credit is due.
Hinckley Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Sorry bout that, but credit should be given where credit is due. True. I meant to say that but, I forgot. Sorry, I'm very sick.
Eskallon Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Thanks Mehmet, and since that deeplink failed Read this you damn fools! Note fools excludes anyone who read it, anyone who has not yet had time to read it, so mostly aimed at Brickdoctor...
Brickdoctor Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Thanks Mehmet, and since that deeplink failed Read this you damn fools! Note fools excludes anyone who read it, anyone who has not yet had time to read it, so mostly aimed at Brickdoctor... Very well. I apologize for not crediting your assessment of Jennifer's behavior.Don't take this as an excuse, but just so you know, I did read it. Mehmet's statement was just the one I was thinking about when I made my statement after reviewing what had happened while I was asleep. Like I said, I did the reading; Mehmet did the comprehension for me.
ADHO15 Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Like I said earlier, I find both Ophelia and Jennifer quite suspicious and so I too am torn between who to vote for. Hugh's arguments for voting her, along with the considerable number of votes she has received already makes me inclined to vote for Jennifer, so... Vote: Jennifer Taylor (Sandy) With regards to the validity of Patrick's claim to his role as Virgin, compared with Mehmet's idea that he was framed by Patrick; if he is a Cultist, would he not have been told that his objective was to kill off the Virgins? He's a smart bloke, he could have taken an educated guess at what qualities a Virgin possesses (given what the Gods have said in the past). So, I do not think that his claim is 'confirmed', but it would be pretty likely if these ideas of mine are wrong.
Cecilie Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 This whole mirror cloak think is rather confusing. I don't understand how it could make the tracker think he saw Mehmet target Fitzdef if none of them did anything in the night, so it would seem that either there's some complete randomness involved, or at least on those three persons (tracker, Mehmet or Fitzdef) is lying. However, if the mirror cloak mirrors investigation results, it could explain the cultist reading (assuming Mehmet is not a cultist). I think the plan to have the results on Mehmet checked again is good, because we wouldn't want to lose a helpful townie because of a broken investigation result. Heck, the investigator could even be insane for all we know at this point, and the cloak had nothing to do with it. On the subject of Jennifer, I would like to add one more thing. If anyone remembers, I voted for her yesterday on the grounds of her weird voting strategy. Nobody else latched on to that. And while she still only had the one vote against her (Ophelia voted for her later in the day), she contacted me in private wanting to explain her strategy to me. I'm not saying that makes her scum, but I did find it weird that it was necessary with a private defense to me after the one little quiet vote. Now, seeing as more people seem to think she's scummy today, I don't mind placing my vote for her again. Maybe she'll come after me more agressively this time Vote: Jennifer Taylor (Sandy)
Sandy Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Congratulations, you just outed another Virgin. I know that's probably not going to change my fate, but at least you will sacrifice me with that itching feeling of "what if she was telling the truth". Seriously, you will not gain anything by lynching me. Sure, I voted for Mehmet, but I thought I gave perfectly reasonable excuse for that. Now does nobody else think it's odd that there are so many people willing to defend Mehmet, even to the point of diverting all votes on me? And all this talk about "she's crazy/illogical/harmful to our cause" is really baffling. I'm not the one who kept changing their vote yesterday, I'm not the one who got a "cultist" in an investigation, I'm not the one everyone seems to be trusting over the limits of caution, I'm not the one holding all the reins in my hand! I'm really not the one you all should be voting for. Do you honestly see me as a cultist? Has anyone rushed to my defense? I haven't even talked privately with anyone except Mehmet and Johnson Cox, both very briefly. And I have to deny that I was around during the end of yesterday. [i logged on very briefly in the morning before I rushed to work, at which stage the voting for Father Tomato had not even started yet. I live in a different time zone from most of you, remember?] There's nothing I could've done to contribute, anyway, since I had no information to share. You're making a very grave mistake here, and you're all playing to the cultists' bag. This makes me even more convinced that Mehmet is really a cultist. He's the one who's being defended here.
Eskallon Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 It seems Jennifer is listening in right now, I wonder what excuses she will make up then to combat my attack on her. So as it stands there are a considerable number of votes on Jennifer's head and it looks to me as if we might have caught our first cultist. Time will tell. she contacted me in private wanting to explain her strategy to me. I'm not saying that makes her scum, but I did find it weird that it was necessary with a private defense to me after the one little quiet vote. Now, seeing as more people seem to think she's scummy today, I don't mind placing my vote for her again. Maybe she'll come after me more agressively this time Interesting, could you share what she said was her strategy, since all she seemed to have been doing was random voting and attempting to join the bandwagon multiple times. In fact the lack of strategy was what was apparent in her posts. Even today her strategy of voting out the first possible lead without waiting for the in depth discussion and logic was worrying.
Sandy Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Interesting, could you share what she said was her strategy, since all she seemed to have been doing was random voting and attempting to join the bandwagon multiple times. In fact the lack of strategy was what was apparent in her posts. Even today her strategy of voting out the first possible lead without waiting for the in depth discussion and logic was worrying. I can answer you myself, that's if I can restrain from being disgusted by the way you talk about me. Seriously, what have I ever done to you to make you loathe me so? Did I perhaps vote for your cultist buddy? My "strategy" was to get the voting going, since everyone was just twisting their hands, and see the reactions that my new approach to voting would cause. And sure enough, it got reactions. I am now pretty convinced that Ophelia Balls is indeed innocent, for taking my bait. Would a cultist really make the first vote, seeing as it would draw attention to them? I don't think so. I was going to approach this situation with a long-term goal of rousing reactions out of people and determining where their allegiances lie (since I have no nocturnal ability myself), but now that I'm in the eye of the storm myself I have no choice but to throw away all caution and reveal my virginity. If you don't lynch me now, I'm certainly going to be dead in a few nights, so thanks a bunch.
Eskallon Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Seriously, you will not gain anything by lynching me. Sure, I voted for Mehmet, but I thought I gave perfectly reasonable excuse for that. Now does nobody else think it's odd that there are so many people willing to defend Mehmet, even to the point of diverting all votes on me? Are you the idiot of idiots, the reason I started the vote on you wasn't because you made a vote for Mehmet, did you even read my long post? I have suspected you since yesterday and today your illogical crap was what topped it. And all this talk about "she's crazy/illogical/harmful to our cause" is really baffling. I'm not the one who kept changing their vote yesterday, I'm not the one who got a "cultist" in an investigation, I'm not the one everyone seems to be trusting over the limits of caution, I'm not the one holding all the reins in my hand! I'm really not the one you all should be voting for. Actually you changed your vote numerous times, 3 I believe. Your the one who has bad strategies, immediately jumps onto the bandwagon, tries to remove useful innocent players with night actions and should be the one we vote for. Do you honestly see me as a cultist? Has anyone rushed to my defense? I haven't even talked privately with anyone except Mehmet and Johnson Cox, both very briefly. Yes we do, your actions over the past 2 days have been completely illogical, your strategies silly and your lies pathetic. How can we be sure you haven't been in contact with others, your word isn't enough to sway our decision. Wheres the proof you haven't been communicating with your fellow scum friends. And I have to deny that I was around during the end of yesterday. [i logged on very briefly in the morning before I rushed to work, at which stage the voting for Father Tomato had not even started yet. I live in a different time zone from most of you, remember?] There's nothing I could've done to contribute, anyway, since I had no information to share. Wait a minute, there was nothing to contribute anyway? So why did you suddenly complain about the quick change in votes at the end, you could have said something, so there was something to contribute. Another one of your little slip ups I see. You're making a very grave mistake here, and you're all playing to the cultists' bag. This makes me even more convinced that Mehmet is really a cultist. He's the one who's being defended here. What Mehmet isn't the one leading this little vote on you. Are you really as stupid as you make out. Congratulations, you just outed another Virgin. I know that's probably not going to change my fate, but at least you will sacrifice me with that itching feeling of "what if she was telling the truth". Nope, still think your a cultist. Most of the points in my post still haven't been addressed and you deny having anything to participate yesterday, yet you were happy to sit and watch us get rid of an innocent with your absolutely silent protests. The way I see it is that you were happy to watch us lynch tomato but you didn't want to be blamed for it afterwards so you stood back and watched. I was going to approach this situation with a long-term goal of rousing reactions out of people and determining where their allegiances lie (since I have no nocturnal ability myself), but now that I'm in the eye of the storm myself I have no choice but to throw away all caution and reveal my virginity.If you don't lynch me now, I'm certainly going to be dead in a few nights, so thanks a bunch. So according to you, anyone who claims to be a virgin, is automatically telling the truth. For all we know, you are infact a bloodsucking vampire who needs to eat werewolves while sucking blood. I can answer you myself, that's if I can restrain from being disgusted by the way you talk about me. Seriously, what have I ever done to you to make you loathe me so? Did I perhaps vote for your cultist buddy? My "strategy" was to get the voting going, since everyone was just twisting their hands, and see the reactions that my new approach to voting would cause. And sure enough, it got reactions. I am now pretty convinced that Ophelia Balls is indeed innocent, for taking my bait. Would a cultist really make the first vote, seeing as it would draw attention to them? I don't think so. I talk to you as I talk to crap, because you would have people like me fed to the statue and killed. You cultists are all the same, all innocent and cute but when it comes to killing, you love to watch and laugh as the rest of us remain confused, upset and annoyed. The strategy was random voting, yes it attracted attention, but luckily that attention led to your discovery. Yes a cultist would make the first vote, thinking we wouldn't pick up on you. All three of your votes yesterday had no decent explanation and what they did have was utterly useless.
Sandy Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Please stop calling me names. You have no right to speak to me that way, as much as you suspect me. I have done nothing to deserve this sort of treatment. If you want to lynch me, can't you at least be courteous about it?
Eskallon Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 -------------------------------- Oops very long post there, sorry bout that, seems that the two posts merged together. Please stop calling me names. You have no right to speak to me that way, as much as you suspect me. I have done nothing to deserve this sort of treatment. If you want to lynch me, can't you at least be courteous about it? I do, we are dealing with life and death here, if you haven't realised that then maybe you shouldn't be here. Suicide would be an option, I heard theres a great pit of scorpions over there if you want us to have the first little bit of enjoyment while here. Oh and maybe if you properly addressed the points I have made then I wouldn't have to be so vigorous with you. I don't want to lynch anyone, I want to be able to walk away from this place saying I helped save lives of innocents, or at least die trying.
Sandy Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 I talk to you as I talk to crap, because you would have people like me fed to the statue and killed. You cultists are all the same, all innocent and cute but when it comes to killing, you love to watch and laugh as the rest of us remain confused, upset and annoyed. The strategy was random voting, yes it attracted attention, but luckily that attention led to your discovery. Yes a cultist would make the first vote, thinking we wouldn't pick up on you. All three of your votes yesterday had no decent explanation and what they did have was utterly useless. And you calling me crazy? You seem to be so conviced that I'm a cultist that nothing I say or do will make you think otherwise. I doubt you'll even believe it tomorrow when the statue will announce my purity... I just want to add that although Mehmet is not leading the vote against me (I'm very aware that you are, since you've emphasized it every step of the way), voting me out is actually a pro-Mehmet move. I'm the only one who actually rose to oppose him and his sovereignity, so of course I'm getting all the ire on me. But just ask yourselves, if I really was a cultist, would I be putting myself on the line, practically voting first on both days? By being vocal about things and making risky moves? No, I'd be lurking in the shadows along with the rest of the cult. This is only the second day of this ordeal and the cult is doing so well, so if I was a cultist I would've kept my mouth shut.
Rufus Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Vote Tally Mehmet Attabar (Hinckley): 1 votes (Sandy) Roger Goodenarde (Professor Flitwick): 1 votes (Scubacarrot) Jennifer Taylor (Sandy): 9 votes (Eskallon, def, fhomess, Hinckley, JimButcher, Zepher, Brickdoctor, ADHO15, Cecilie) Ophelia Balls (fhomess): 1 vote (KielDaMan)
Sandy Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 I do, we are dealing with life and death here, if you haven't realised that then maybe you shouldn't be here. Suicide would be an option, I heard theres a great pit of scorpions over there if you want us to have the first little bit of enjoyment while here. You are a cruel and unreasonable man, Huge Anus. I can't believe innocent people are following anything you say.
def Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 My "strategy" was to get the voting going, since everyone was just twisting their hands, and see the reactions that my new approach to voting would cause. And sure enough, it got reactions. I am now pretty convinced that Ophelia Balls is indeed innocent, for taking my bait. Would a cultist really make the first vote, seeing as it would draw attention to them? I don't think so. I was going to approach this situation with a long-term goal of rousing reactions out of people and determining where their allegiances lie (since I have no nocturnal ability myself), but now that I'm in the eye of the storm myself I have no choice but to throw away all caution and reveal my virginity. If you don't lynch me now, I'm certainly going to be dead in a few nights, so thanks a bunch. I'm not calling you scum. I think we're in a questionable place without a solid lynch. I do think you showed an extreme lack of strategy day one, with your whoever-gets-first-vote plan, and placing me as the lynch nominee despite all signs showing to me not being scum. So thanks a bunch idiot of idiots... illogical crap...Your (sic) the one who has bad strategies...completely illogical...silly...pathetic...scum... ...stupid...bloodsucking vampire...crap...utterly useless. I think your glass house just exploded
Eskallon Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 And you calling me crazy? You seem to be so conviced that I'm a cultist that nothing I say or do will make you think otherwise. I doubt you'll even believe it tomorrow when the statue will announce my purity... Like I said above, if you were able to correctly address all my points and with proper reasons then I would think otherwise. If you are confirmed innocent tomorrow then I will hold myself accountable. I don't fear my death, it wont help the scum but it wont help the town either since I'm not a virgin. I just want to add that although Mehmet is not leading the vote against me (I'm very aware that you are, since you've emphasized it every step of the way), voting me out is actually a pro-Mehmet move. I'm the only one who actually rose to oppose him and his sovereignity, so of course I'm getting all the ire on me. I am aware of this and I can see from your point of view this. However I didn't start voting for you because of that, your actions on Day 1 rang suspicious of me. I do trust Mehmet, maybe he is pulling my leg but I trust him and if he is a cultist then we are doomed anyway, we don't have a chance. So whats to lose? But just ask yourselves, if I really was a cultist, would I be putting myself on the line, practically voting first on both days? By being vocal about things and making risky moves? No, I'd be lurking in the shadows along with the rest of the cult. This is only the second day of this ordeal and the cult is doing so well, so if I was a cultist I would've kept my mouth shut. Yes and no, not all the cultists can lurk in the shadows. We saw that yesterday when we lynched whats his name for being quiet. Maybe you took the option of making yourself heard, digging for information while secretly passing it onto the cultists. I dunno, but what I do know is that your actions which have been clearly outlined have not been those of an innocent. This is only the second day and while the cultists are doing well, as are the innocents. There is a firm line of defence in the PM side and while some cultists are bound to have been involved in that its certain that we have some advantage using our night actions and power. Infact as I remember it, you even wanted to get rid of 'Superman'. Someone who has a good night action despite people voicing the chorus of another chance, and even his accuser dropping the attack on superman.
def Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 But just ask yourselves, if I really was a cultist, would I be putting myself on the line, practically voting first on both days? By being vocal about things and making risky moves? No, I'd be lurking in the shadows along with the rest of the cult. This is only the second day of this ordeal and the cult is doing so well, so if I was a cultist I would've kept my mouth shut. Funny. I'm not going to look back on day one again, but, well, you voted for me
Eskallon Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 I think your glass house just exploded The way you put that quote together is amazing. You are a cruel and unreasonable man, Huge Anus. I can't believe innocent people are following anything you say. Dont take it personally, I would treat all the cultists like this. Added a few more points to summarise the situation for anyone having trouble following this. As a Summary: -Random Voting is a no no, especially after its made clear that we may have some culprits. -Constant change in tone from aggressive to sweet. -Attempts to jump onto the Bandwagon once without reason. -Attempts to jump onto the Bandwagon again without reason. -Jumps onto the Bandwagon again without reason. -Ignores the thread and pretends to be innocent by not voting or speaking up. -Claims she was upset with the days finale but never bothered to speak up when she could. -Made silly subtle hints at this fact for the next post. -Made even sillier subtle hints at this for the next post. -Tries to get the name of a (supposedly trusted) useful innocent superman. -Attacks Mehmet with stupid reasoning and claims that he was the obvious pick of the day. -Despite the option of private investigation she blurts out comments which could be verified and people identities checked, surely if we investigated the matter as it seems we are then we could save an innocent. -Refuses to address all the points above. -Spends her time calling me cruel and still failing to address the points above. -Claims I am a Pro-Mehmet and that thats the only reason for this, again ignores the above. -Idiot of idiots... illogical crap...Your the one who has bad strategies...completely illogical...silly...pathetic...scum... ...stupid...bloodsucking vampire...crap...utterly useless.
Sandy Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Infact as I remember it, you even wanted to get rid of 'Superman'. Someone who has a good night action despite people voicing the chorus of another chance, and even his accuser dropping the attack on superman. For cripes sakes, I don't even know who this Superman is or even if he really exists! So how could I want to get rid of him? I merely expressed that I did not trust Mehmet's supposed ally by face value. Don't you realize that even if Mehmet is innocent, not all 13 of his contacts can be innocent too? If he's not lying, somebody's lying to him for sure, that's why there's mixed results and confusing things going on. This game is not won by voting out all the people who are NOT in contact with Mehmet. Your "line of defence" is full of holes, mark my words. Hugh, you blabber so much that I don't even have time to "address your points". Besides, if you coat them with slurs and filth, how can you expect me to have a civilized conversation with you?
Eskallon Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 For cripes sakes, I don't even know who this Superman is or even if he really exists! So how could I want to get rid of him? I merely expressed that I did not trust Mehmet's supposed ally by face value. Don't you realize that even if Mehmet is innocent, not all 13 of his contacts can be innocent too? If he's not lying, somebody's lying to him for sure, that's why there's mixed results and confusing things going on. This game is not won by voting out all the people who are NOT in contact with Mehmet. Your "line of defence" is full of holes, mark my words. Dont you think I know this, I sit here and watch people torn apart. I have done for my whole life serving in the Army. Wait a minute, your tripping yourself up again. Forgot to send a night action that can confirm a virgin? I call bs, let's nail the faux man of steel. God (in this case IMHOTEP) knows Father Tomato was lynched for much less than that.... Besides, even if Superman is telling the truth, we won't be losing much since he'll never remember to use the power he's been given. So you just said why would you want to get rid of him, but earlier in the day you seem ecstatic at the first opportunity to get rid of him. Hugh, you blabber so much that I don't even have time to "address your points". Besides, if you coat them with slurs and filth, how can you expect me to have a civilized conversation with you? Yes you do, theres nothing stopping you right now going and addressing the points. Oh and I never wanted a civilised conversation with you, I want to get rid of you and watch the other cultists die too. Concerning your statement of its Mehemts people against non Mehmets people. Thats BS, I dont even know if you have spoken to him yet, you might have been one of the virgins on his list. I know as much about his list as you do.
Sandy Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Dont take it personally, I would treat all the cultists like this. But I'm not a cultist! You don't have a single concrete evidence to back up your claim, yet you still treat me like turd. Well, karma's a bitch as you will come to see...
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