Train Model 314 Comes from Which Loco?

[roamingstop]

I was browsing bricklink when i found this age as part of set 314

Does anyone (trainhead) know which type of locomotive it is supposed to be modelled on? Im tempted to replicate it for someone's museum layout- but wanted some better idea of what it was trying to show

Other images were found in the 314 instructions and guide books- but there is an art to capturing these older models in lego design circa 1970

Edited December 29, 2012 by roamingstudio

[WesternOutlaw]

Here's a set I never saw RS. I actually own a few of those large red wheels from an old basic farm set and wondered how they would look on a train.

[peterab]

Does anyone (trainhead) know which type of locomotive it is supposed to be modelled on? Im tempted to replicate it for someone's museum layout- but wanted some better idea of what it was trying to show

It's probably pretty pointless to speculate on what the designer had in mind, since at the time LEGO trains were not based on a real prototype. They simply were not detailed enough to distinguish between many similar locomotives anyway. It's not really till the grey track era where they become unique enough to usefully try and point the finger.

That being said this engine has an unusual wheel arrangement 2-4-6, which I think would be farely rare. You could use that as the starting point for a google image search and see if something similar turns up in the real world.

[Hey Joe]

It might be a 2-4-2; the rearmost four wheels probably 'belong' to the tender which appears in the photo to be seperated from the engine in the upper-half of the model. It's an odd-looking model and although it's been quite awhile since my HO and railway museum days I'm reasonably certain that there's never been a 2-4-6 in mainstream production in real life.

Now of course someone will prove me wrong, ha ha.

[roamingstop]

On the peeron scans us a better graphic that wont deeplink (im using a handy)

http://www.peeron.com/scans/314-2/

Here it would seem to be 2-4-6 as tender is built solid. You can also see ut running on brick built track with the design of a red carriage as well. Im pretty sure it would never handle a curve; but then kids in lederhosen and bow ties probably dont mind

For some more funky train ideas there were some good books published here

http://brickfetish.com/timeline/1967.html

Although i was born 8 years after these publications many of the photos are very familiar. Ive seen them before - long long time ago!

And here we go - a Provinance Warren Bristol prototype 2-4-6

(oversize image)http://www.ironhorse129.com/prototype/masonbogie/Graphics/PWB_2-4-6.jpg

http://www.ironhorse129.com/prototype/masonbogie/ProvWarrBrist2-4-6T.htm

And a pensylvania 2-4-6t

http://www.steamlocomotive.com/2-4-6/?page=prr

The mason bogie (whatever it is) seems to bring up similiar style locos

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mason_Bogie

[roamingstop]

And finally the old lego books 241 and 239 havesome interesting examples and instructions for these models.

http://www.peeron.com/scans/239-1/62

http://www.peeron.com/scans/239-1/63

http://www.peeron.com/scans/239-1/64

http://www.peeron.com/scans/241-1/

[LEGO Train 12 Volts]

I think this is a kind of universal set for trains ...directly from the origins of LEGO company

[roamingstop]

A quick Bricklink search pulled up a couple of additional models in a similar vein - model 610 (blue instead of red) complete with instructions. In this variant it appears to be a 2-4-4 with non-flexible tender (lets rectify that)

It would have been part of the USA / Canada Samsonite Range apparently

The question is - for a more recent rendition (modern bricks n all) which colour is better - blue or red?

Edited January 11, 2013 by roamingstudio

[Duq]

I'm still wondering what you are trying to achieve.... Do you want to build a 1960's Lego design? Do you want to build a steam train with the classic blocky Lego looks? Do you just want to build a Lego steam train?

If it's the second option then I'd look at around 1980 if I were you. Something like 7810 or 7750:

Have you considered the classic 396 Thatcher Perkins?

[roamingstop]

Duq: An interesting question about my aim; somehow the words 'having fun recreating old models' springs to mind. On a more serious side; im thinking of having a working museum piece (it wont be on track) which would show how trains used to be. I am also not sure if Henrik's record breaking blue track attempts will actually include these really old locomotives.... And it is the process of obtaining the older parts to make a modern solution.

7750 Would be a great model to have - but is not my priority at the moment - and the Thatcher Perkins is strangely colourful. Both can be easily obtained by Bricklink if you want to spend the $$... and all the models both have better modern equivalent (Emerald Night).

Edited January 12, 2013 by roamingstudio