Buzzetta Posted December 31, 2012 Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) Long time reader... very long time... I finally joined earlier this year, and I know this is my second post but I figured I would throw this out to you all. Going to attempt a build of this engine. The best representation I could find was from the Lionel model that was offered a few years ago. The closest I found of an official Lego representation was from the old red engine from the 7720 set. (Which was my first Lego train). Any suggestions? I am looking at attempting this in a six wide so I realize that it will have to express a degree of a minimalist design but would still like to maximize the space I have to work with. I have done an extensive search to see if anyone else had built one before but could not find anything (unless I overlooked something) Anyway... thoughts? 7720 in case someone is unfamilar: Edited December 31, 2012 by Buzzetta Quote
Electricsteam Posted December 31, 2012 Posted December 31, 2012 I have found a very similar one that i want to build but I need more dark green and gold bricks. Quote
Duq Posted January 1, 2013 Posted January 1, 2013 I'm sorry but 7720 looks absolutely nothing like the prototype you're showing. The size, shape, colour, number of wheels are all different. The only thing in common is that the cab is in the middle. Quote
Frank STENGEL Posted January 1, 2013 Posted January 1, 2013 (edited) I think 7220 is a rendition of the E 69 DB locomotive. See: As a matter of fact, it is more E69 05 (169 005-6) Edited January 1, 2013 by Frank STENGEL Quote
DaveBey Posted January 1, 2013 Posted January 1, 2013 Buzzetta - I don't think you're limiting yourself by building the S-2 Electric in six-wide. It looks symmetrical front-to-back and left-to-right so you might be able to take a modular-style approach by mirroring the front-left with the rear-right and the front-right with the rear-left. (If that makes any sense.) The only tricky part appears to be the wheel arraignment. Are you looking to motorize this via 12V, 9V, or Power Functions? Here's a verrrrrry basic design using LEGO Digital Designer: The front and rear are different due to trying to get the roof design to work. The rear design works better but the proportions seem off. Anyway, hopefully it gives you a place to start and I can't wait to see your much better design! Cheers from Claremore, Oklahoma USA! Dave Quote
Electricsteam Posted January 1, 2013 Posted January 1, 2013 Buzzetta - I don't think you're limiting yourself by building the S-2 Electric in six-wide. It looks symmetrical front-to-back and left-to-right so you might be able to take a modular-style approach by mirroring the front-left with the rear-right and the front-right with the rear-left. (If that makes any sense.) The only tricky part appears to be the wheel arraignment. Are you looking to motorize this via 12V, 9V, or Power Functions? Here's a verrrrrry basic design using LEGO Digital Designer: The front and rear are different due to trying to get the roof design to work. The rear design works better but the proportions seem off. Anyway, hopefully it gives you a place to start and I can't wait to see your much better design! Cheers from Claremore, Oklahoma USA! Dave The one I am trying to builld needs all these strange bricks to make the curves Quote
Diamondback Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 Here's a dimensioned side elevation of the S-1 basis of the Lionel model: http://rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/nyc-s1.gif There's a diagram of the S-2s in William D. Edson's Steam Locomotives of the New York Central Lines, Vol. 1, available direct from NYC System Historical Society at NYCSHS.org--it's a $50-60 book, but for the serious NYC enthusiast it's a must-have. (Frankly, I wish I had stuck to my "two copies" standard practice for frequent-use references, since I have a few things On Hold until I find my copy again.) Quote
Electricsteam Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 here is the on I am trying to build! Quote
Diamondback Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 Good luck, ES. For the record, with the exception of the P-motors (the last built, which had slightly more "teardrop" cab faces, almost all NYC System electrics were either full boxcabs or had that "stepped" end as pictured on "Old 100" above. Quote
DaveBey Posted January 5, 2013 Posted January 5, 2013 Electricsteam - Would you be able to use 4633696: Plate W. Bow 2X4X2/3 in Sand Green and model the front and rear similar to the boiler on Emerald Night? Cheers from Claremore, Oklahoma USA! Dave Quote
Electricsteam Posted January 5, 2013 Posted January 5, 2013 Electricsteam - Would you be able to use 4633696: Plate W. Bow 2X4X2/3 in Sand Green and model the front and rear similar to the boiler on Emerald Night? Cheers from Claremore, Oklahoma USA! Dave yep! the bigger problem is the color of dark green and gold! The doors will be indented by half a brick. I'll download LDD !!! Quote
Diamondback Posted January 6, 2013 Posted January 6, 2013 Also, all NYC locomotives built for the use on the Electric Division (and IIRC for Detroit River Tunnel service too) used under-running third rails, the pantographs on top were secondary contacts where switching forced breaks in the third rail. Both NYC and PRR had the "hot" rail outside of the other two, but at different heights, and PRR had their contact surfaces on top of the rail--NYC covered the top and both sides in wood, pushing the contact "shoes" up into the rail from below; the first locomotives designed to bridge this were the NYNH&H FL-9 hybrid diesel/electrics, which operated into both Grand Central and Penn Station and had to have hydraulically- or pneumatically-adjusted retractable shoes to adapt to whatever trackage they were headed for. Quote
Buzzetta Posted January 6, 2013 Author Posted January 6, 2013 These are some excellent ideas. I want to mention that my absence does not mean I am not monitoring what you have all written. It is hard to get over here during the work week. I was toying around with a design similar to this but thinking of offsetting the doors with jumper bricks and build the doors as it gives the appearance of a sliding door. The wheel arraignment may pose problematic using a 9V motor. (I do not have a 12v motor or track but may consider buying my first power systems set as I am still a holdout) As an easy solution to the 2:4:2, I was thinking of a non powered engine and placing a motor in rolling stock or a passenger unit. I will have to make a few concessions though due to part availability, design and my building ability when it comes to the details around the wheels. Buzzetta - I don't think you're limiting yourself by building the S-2 Electric in six-wide. It looks symmetrical front-to-back and left-to-right so you might be able to take a modular-style approach by mirroring the front-left with the rear-right and the front-right with the rear-left. (If that makes any sense.) The only tricky part appears to be the wheel arraignment. Are you looking to motorize this via 12V, 9V, or Power Functions? Here's a verrrrrry basic design using LEGO Digital Designer: The front and rear are different due to trying to get the roof design to work. The rear design works better but the proportions seem off. Anyway, hopefully it gives you a place to start and I can't wait to see your much better design! Cheers from Claremore, Oklahoma USA! Dave Quote
Spitfire2865 Posted January 7, 2013 Posted January 7, 2013 Gota say, Looks great. Did you use a normal train base? Quote
Electricsteam Posted January 7, 2013 Posted January 7, 2013 Gota say, Looks great. Did you use a normal train base? yes because the train base scaled perfectly to the real thing. Quote
Spitfire2865 Posted January 7, 2013 Posted January 7, 2013 Oh, Nice. I build 8 wide so 6 wide things always seem thin to me. But I think you did it perfectly. Not too tall. Quote
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