Minimal Mafia: Day Two

[Hinckley]

Players only please!

It's late at night and Sol LeWitt is pondering some of the artwork.

"Pffft," He scoffs, "How can people confuse this crap with my work?"

"I never noticed there was a man with a gun in this piece," he observes, "Derivative..."

"Bang!"

"Figures..." Sol says as the life escapes his body.

As morning arrives, everyone gathers around the body.

"Well, was he good or bad?"

"Oh sorry," says the host, "I wasn't paying much attention. I had a last minute work crisis to deal with and haven't really been around. Sol LeWitt was a member of the Town."

"You didn't even do a second interlude...or a conclusion!" The Co-host exclaims.

"They didn't even lynch anybody..."

Day Two has begun. You may not vote in the first 24 hours.

Non-playing Characters

Host, Male, played by Hinckley

Co-Host, Male, played by TrumpetKing

Players (12)

Anne Truitt, Female

Brice Marden, Male

Carl Andre, Male

Dan Flavin, Male

Donald Judd, Male

Ellsworth Kelly, Male

Eva Hesse, Female

Frank Stella, Male

Jo Baer, Female

John McCracken, Male

Robert Mangold, Male

Tony Smith, Male

The Dead

Sol Lewitt, Male, murdered Night One, Town

Objective:

The Scum win when they have outnumbered the Town. The Town wins when all of the Scum are dead.

The Rules:

1. You may not reveal or pretend to reveal your true identity throughout the course of the game. Doing so will result in the immediate death of your character. Likewise, be extra certain you do not post in the game as your real Eurobricks identity. If this gives away which character you are playing, this rule will be applied to that action.
   
2. Each player will be given a character to play, who will be aligned with either the Town or the Scum. To win the game, the Town must kill off all of the Town, while the Scum must outnumber the Town.
   
3. Each day you will be able to vote to lynch a player. Voting should be done in the following format only; Vote: Character. Similarly, unvoting is to be done in this format only; Unvote: Character. No other format will be accepted. You may also proxy your vote to another player, using this format; proxy: Character. Naturally, unproxying a vote is also possible. The player with the most votes is lynched. In the case of a tie, there will be no lynch.
   
4. A game day will last a maximum of 72 hours. You may not vote in the first 24 hours. The day will not end when a majority vote has been reached. If there is time left, a majority vote can be over-turned. After the day has concluded, a night stage will commence, which will last a maximum of 24 hours, unless otherwise noted. Night actions must be sent to the host in the first 20 hours of the night stage, or they will not be accepted, no exceptions.
   
5. The alignment of lynched players, as well as those that died during the night, will be revealed at the beginning of the next day.
   
6. You may not quote or pretend to quote anything sent to or from you in PM with the game host. This includes all the details and pictures of your character and role, as well as any night action results. Role claims and reporting of night action results are acceptable, but in your own words only. Do not attempt to use the structure of your role PM to your advantage.
   
7. You may not quote PMs from or to other players. Paraphrasing is allowed but no direct quoting. Please refrain from quoting PMs in the game threads and in private.
   
8. Do not play the game outside the thread. Similarly, do not post out of character inside the thread. Game tactics and roles may only be discussed in the game thread or via PM with other players. Private discussion is done at your own risk and should be treated as part of the game.
   
9. If you are dead, you may not post in thread or discuss the game with any of the players. Any information you had becomes void, and may not be passed on. Violation of this rule will result in a multiple game suspension.
   
10. You may not edit your posts.
    
11. You must post in every day thread.
    
12. You must vote in every day thread.
    
13. If you have a Night Action, you are required to use it every night, unless otherwise noted.
    
14. If you have a Night Action, you may not target the same player on three consecutive nights.
    
15. If you encounter a problem or have a question, please contact the host or co-host via PM. Please please please use only the confirmation PM sent to you to communicate with the hosts if you can.
    
16. Violation of the above rules will result in a penalty of one vote per every four living players (1/4 of the active players list) on the first violation and replacement by another player on the second.
    
17. If you verbally abuse another player (definition of abuse will be left up to the game hosts and games moderator), you will be removed from the game and never asked to play one of my games again. Don't be a dick.
    

Some additional guidelines, although they are not rules that will incur penalties if you don't follow them:

• The pictures may or may not contain clues. They most likely do not, but look all you want. Wildly speculate. It's fun.
  
• Using acronyms, especially tl;dr, or any 7334 speak will cause major trouble for your character, perhaps even instant death.
  
• Roleplaying is a good thing and it is encouraged in this game. You are all playing real people so google your name and have some fun.
  

You have all been sent a role PM in this format:

Character: ...

Artwork: Your block buddy represents this work of art:

Role: ...

Affiliation: Town or Scum

Best of luck and have fun!

[Robert Mangold]

It's not surprising we lost one of ours today, but I think we're in a better position than if we'd lynched Town yesterday. Now to look at Sol's history, to see if there's a reason he was chosen. He wasn't on my radar yesterday.

[TrumpetKing]

Wow, it looks like our killer has a gun coming from their nipple.

Oddly enough, my banana bread still isn't ready.

[Tony Smith]

It's interesting that the scum would go after Sol. He wasn't that loud when going after scum. I'm not surprised he was town, I didn't see him being anything else.

[Ellsworth Kelly]

Here's Sol's contributions.

Bastards.

Also, does anyone have a good idea of what method to use for lynching? Because unless someone decides to do some kind of gambit or project role information, we will have literally nothing to go on.

I guess the only thing we can do is keep talking. It looks like we have to vote though.

Don't speak about Craig in such a way!

When did "minimalist" become a bad word?

Also I was given a work of art on which my 'rectangle' is based; mine was a sculpture, what were yours?

A painting. Do you think there's any significance to it (other than to get us talking)?

Talking about WIFOM:

You're right it was me, lynch me now

:P

It must be you, flinging your finger corner of suspicion around all willy nilly. :P

Could Dan laughing off Brice's accusation be a little game of WIFOM as well?

Also, I was reviewing everyone's contributions so far and Jo, Tony and Frank haven't really said anything substance today.

I tend to agree with Dan and Carl about the John versus Anne argument. The spotlight is always on the first person to vote, so I doubt John would want to draw attention to himself like that if he were scum. The same goes for Anne's vote. Brice has been overly defensive, to the point where it could actually be seen as a towntell. The reasons Ellsworth gave for voting for John aren't convincing, but I also don't see why the scum felt the need to set a bandwagon in motion, knowing that the person with the most votes is lynched anyway.

Jo, Tony and Frank still haven't given their opinion on anything.

Enlighten me oh wise one, has there been much of substance to discuss?

I honestly don't know who to vote for. The day really just started and people are barely talking. I don't know what to do, realistically.

You must have some opinion on the accusations and subsequent votes. It might not help us right now, but if we don't get people's opinions, we'll allow the scum to hide and we can be sure to have nothing to go on, now or on later days.

I hope more information comes up soon, since like others have said, it is day one and we don't have anything solid to go on. I personally don't see any blatant scum yet, and I'm right now only looking at those people who have voted immediately. I know I'll be waiting to vote until later when we hear a bit more, even if we don't hear much more today.

Why are you looking at the people who voted early? Of course you're going to vote today, because it's mandatory. Who are you going to vote for "if we don't hear much more today"?

An artist who's flying under the radar is Donald. He only showed up to tell us he doesn't have a clip attached to his side and explain how forced perspective works.

And this so called "bandwagon" of a whoopping 3 votes. You think scum is "hiding" in there?

No, I don't. Given that the person with the most votes is lynched, I don't see why the scum would feel the need to get a bandwagon rolling.

The substance of what I've said has added up to more than that. Is it possible you read through the day in a hurry?

No, I read everything carefulty, I just didn't see anything of substance from you. At least you're offering some thoughts now.

At the time it was starting to look like that. Maybe I judged that too quickly. My point is that it was starting to appear like votes were being thrown in every which direction, as is usual on Day One, and I feared maybe they would be scattered enough for no lynch to occur. It's not as unlikely as you think in this situation. We number only thirteen, and I count five different people already being voted for.

Wasn't it a bit too early to be "worried" about that? I could perhaps understand those reasons towards the end of the day when you'd rather see one of the candidates tied for a lynch lynched than no lynch at all.

I can't help but doubt that Eva would vote so early if she were scum (for the same reasons I doubt John would vote first if he were scum). Out of the suspicions I mentioned earlier, I'm torn between voting for Frank or Tony. Frank hasn't contributed at all today and I agree with Jo that Tony could simply be trying to appear helpful by floating theories about catching scum based our works of art. You could even read this comment as subtly trying to cast suspicion on Dan.

I'm wondering, what is everyone's character known for? I am a famous sculptor. Could the works of art included in the introduction have anything to do with our loyalty?

I advise us to all go back and "google image" search famous things created by us and see if anything matches up. I remember someone mentioning that Dan Flavin is good with lights. One of the works of art included in the introduction shows up in the google image search. What does this mean?

Vote: Tony Smith

By the looks of it, near the end of the day, he was reading deep into Tony's words, and seemed to be pointing out suspicious comments and analyzing posts pretty well, but it's all pretty general up until he casts his vote. Perhaps he was right about all that and they had him killed to keep him from snooping any further? Or maybe they just wanted to off a helpful-looking townie?

The last few hours of Day One had some other interesting stuff:

It was my idea that we were supposed to come up with ideas. I presented my idea and even though it was far-fetched, you two pounced on it immediately. It was just a thought, you don't need to be so critical about it.

Evidently Tony doesn't understand what we're doing here. Being critical and analytic is how we catch scum.

I'm ok with a no-lynch tie today. There's no basis for killing anyone off. So I'm going to

Vote: Robert Mangold

Why? 1. Cause there's no threat for him to get lynched but I have to vote, and 2. Because his reason for voting for me sucked. Not just because it was me, but because it was a poorly justified vote.

Combined with his screwing around with the artwork/allegience connection, I'm not liking what I'm seeing out of Brent.

This is a minimalist game. There's only a dozen of us. We probably don't have a ton of PRs. Behaviorial analysis is sometimes the only basis we're going to have. I know it's Day One, but anyone who's not willing to act on their suspicions (incidentally Brice voiced none of his, if he has any) isn't going to be very constructive or at least productive for anyone but the scum in the long run.

It's interesting that the scum would go after Sol. He wasn't that loud when going after scum. I'm not surprised he was town, I didn't see him being anything else.

Next time think someone's being so obviously pro-townie that you can't even picture him being scum, don't try to blow off their accusations. Work with them, not away from them.

*you think

[Robert Mangold]

Thanks Ellesworth. I can't make much of that so far, but it's a valuable post that we can refer to

Why? 1. Cause there's no threat for him to get lynched but I have to vote, and 2. Because his reason for voting for me sucked. Not just because it was me, but because it was a poorly justified vote.

I wanted to address this post from yesterday, but we got cut off before I could. Reason one is fair enough, but reason two is totally scummy. I completely explained my reasons. As much as the host loves people to search images to suss out scum (whether there, or more often than not, not), that isn't a helpful way to play. Brice claimed that he was joking about his original post analyzing the day one photos, but it it just wasn't obvious at any point, until I voted for him and he made a big deal of it. He swung it back to the idea that I was 'poorly justified' in voting for him. No, that was suss. He doth protest too much...

[Jo Baer]

Hm, Sol was pretty middle of the pack yesterday. Not overly vocal, but not hiding in the shadows either. I'm guessing he was picked because middle of the pack guys are less likely to be protected so early on, but perhaps also because he may have been on to something. Tony was already rubbing me the wrong way yesterday, and Sol seemed to see it the same way. But we can't discount the fact that it's a way to try and frame Tony, who with his lack of useful insight so far would be an easy target for framing today... And so begin the mindgames...

[Donald Judd]

It's not surprising we lost one of ours today, but I think we're in a better position than if we'd lynched Town yesterday.

Certainly, if we'd lynched town, we'd be worse off today. But I can't help but wonder if we missed out on lynching scum because some people intentionally tied up the vote yesterday.

I think that scrutinizing the vote yesterday may be more fruitful in catching scum than anything else today. That's where I know I'll be looking and I invite you all to do the same. More eyes on the problem, more likely the solution will be seen.

[Frank Stella]

Well that sucks that we lost Sol, but then again I don't think any of us didn't expect to loose at least one townie over the night. I feel he was killed because of being "middle of the pack" as others have also said; he didn't stand out much, so the scum must have went with a "safe" kill. Either way, we are now down to 12 and I think we need a scum lynch today; none of this tie stuff, we don't have time for that.

I think that scrutinizing the vote yesterday may be more fruitful in catching scum than anything else today. That's where I know I'll be looking and I invite you all to do the same. More eyes on the problem, more likely the solution will be seen.

Certainly. Looking at the votes from last night now, and knowing that Sol was killed, it does seem interesting that he was killed if you look at it as in relation to his vote. Yesterday's many lynches each had three votes against them from multiple people (I being one of those peoples), while Tony, who Sol voted for only had two votes. Could Sol's death be an effort to set Tony up? Why about Jo Baer who also voted Tony? I feel like it's possible the scum would do such a thing, but perhaps it is more likely that they decided not to kill one of the multiple peoples who voted for the top three, so as to not incriminate one of the top lynches as a more likely scum.

[Eva Hesse]

A not lynch isn´t a good thing ever but because it was day 1 and it seemed that almost nobody knew what the hell was going on, Ich for one didn´t get much out of day one.

John who Ich voted for, can´t still not say much about his beheivour, he unvoted me in the end of the day but some of the things he said yesterday, ofcourse they were not no major thing, they were things a normal townie could say.

Because many could say ich said stuff and acted that ich could go both ways.

Sol was one of us that really did a better job yesterday and it could be why he was killed.

What about the lack of an other kill then, if sols killing was a scum kill?

[Robert Mangold]

But we can't discount the fact that it's a way to try and frame Tony, who with his lack of useful insight so far would be an easy target for framing today... And so begin the mindgames...

That's my thinking. Not so much as to be a frame, but that he was killed to lead us astray. Sol wasn't even part of the top three lynch candidates. His suspicion wasn't carrying much weight.

Certainly, if we'd lynched town, we'd be worse off today. But I can't help but wonder if we missed out on lynching scum because some people intentionally tied up the vote yesterday.

I think that scrutinizing the vote yesterday may be more fruitful in catching scum than anything else today. That's where I know I'll be looking and I invite you all to do the same. More eyes on the problem, more likely the solution will be seen.

Looking at the votes yesterday, I don't know who would be protected.

John McCracken: 3 votes (Eva Hesse, Anne Truitt, Ellsworth Kelly)

Brice Marden: 1 vote (Robert Mangold)

Eva Hess: 3 votes (Dan Flavin, Tony Smith, Frank Stella)

Ellsworth Kelly: 3 votes (Donald Judd, Carl Andre, John McCracken)

Tony Smith: 2 votes (Sol LeWitt, Jo Baer)

Robert Mangold: 1 vote (Brice Marden)

Frank voted for Eva late to make a three way tie, and Carl voted for Ellsworth to tie the vote with John. Maybe Carl was saving John, or Frank was trying to muddy the waters.

Let's keep our fingers crossed that someone has something to reveal after last night

[Brice Marden]

Thanks Ellesworth. I can't make much of that so far, but it's a valuable post that we can refer to

I wanted to address this post from yesterday, but we got cut off before I could. Reason one is fair enough, but reason two is totally scummy. I completely explained my reasons. As much as the host loves people to search images to suss out scum (whether there, or more often than not, not), that isn't a helpful way to play. Brice claimed that he was joking about his original post analyzing the day one photos, but it it just wasn't obvious at any point, until I voted for him and he made a big deal of it. He swung it back to the idea that I was 'poorly justified' in voting for him. No, that was suss. He doth protest too much...

Ok, this really needs to die. That was my SECOND POST on day one, and I said as the first sentence of it that it was WILD SPECULATION. Our most excellent hosts even said in the rules "The pictures may or may not contain clues. They most likely do not, but look all you want. Wildly speculate. It's fun." So that's what I did, and for people like you who would read too much into it, I said right there that it was wild speculation. I assumed anyone would recognize that it was a joke in the spirit of mafia day one. If saying THIS IS WILD SPECULATION (even using the same words as the rules) in an early day 1 post isn't clear enough to you not to take it seriously, then I don't know what is.

And yes, thank you Ell for that nice summary.

What about the lack of an other kill then, if sols killing was a scum kill?

Perhaps there's no town vig since it's a minimal game (possible, but I doubt it) or since there was no clear target, so much so that we had a 3 way tie on the voting, the vig decided not to kill on night 1. Certainly not unknown to happen that way.

[Robert Mangold]

Ok, this really needs to die.

If you hadn't voted as you did, for the reason you did, it probably would have. As it is, this frustration is a little flop-sweaty (or flip-floppy-flip-sweaty as Frank Stella thinks the English language works).

That was my SECOND POST on day one, and I said as the first sentence of it that it was WILD SPECULATION. Our most excellent hosts even said in the rules "The pictures may or may not contain clues. They most likely do not, but look all you want. Wildly speculate. It's fun." So that's what I did, and for people like you who would read too much into it, I said right there that it was wild speculation. I assumed anyone would recognize that it was a joke in the spirit of mafia day one. If saying THIS IS WILD SPECULATION (even using the same words as the rules) in an early day 1 post isn't clear enough to you not to take it seriously, then I don't know what is.

You haven't pushed the point since, so I'm fine with not pushing it for now. There is a chance that you are scum who got cautioned and changed tactics, but there's as at least as good a chance that it was just a joke. I've seen townies do much worse on day one. Let us call this a detante, Brice.

[Jo Baer]

Perhaps there's no town vig since it's a minimal game (possible, but I doubt it) or since there was no clear target, so much so that we had a 3 way tie on the voting, the vig decided not to kill on night 1. Certainly not unknown to happen that way.

I doubt we have an unlimited vig at least. If we have a vig, it's more likely that he has a limited number of shots. Knowing our host, I say it's equally likely we have a bomb or some other such role as a vig. If you want to look at what roles were included in a similarly sized game by the same host in the past, look at Steampunk mafia.

[Ellsworth Kelly]

I doubt we have an unlimited vig at least. If we have a vig, it's more likely that he has a limited number of shots. Knowing our host, I say it's equally likely we have a bomb or some other such role as a vig. If you want to look at what roles were included in a similarly sized game by the same host in the past, look at Steampunk mafia.

Agreed. Two kills and likely a lynch every day? This would barely last three days.

[Dan Flavin]

A not lynch isn´t a good thing ever but because it was day 1 and it seemed that almost nobody knew what the hell was going on, Ich for one didn´t get much out of day one.

John who Ich voted for, can´t still not say much about his beheivour, he unvoted me in the end of the day but some of the things he said yesterday, ofcourse they were not no major thing, they were things a normal townie could say.

Because many could say ich said stuff and acted that ich could go both ways.

Sol was one of us that really did a better job yesterday and it could be why he was killed.

What about the lack of an other kill then, if sols killing was a scum kill?

Wishy-washy.

I want to look at Tony (Sol's number 1 suspect) and Frank (who tied the vote a third way). I sort of expected John to tie the vote out of self preservation, but Frank really should have pushed it one way or the other so we'd have a lynch to go off of. It's no good to be playing blind and giving the scum free kills, we need to be proactive (especially in this small a game).

[Eva Hesse]

Ell and other Ich think your right about that we probably don´t have a vig because of the minimal participants but yes as knowing our host ich could bet there is some other PR included.

Hopefuly we will get some info that will help us catch the scum.

Dan, agree with you there gotta be a reason warum the scum choose to kill Sol, was he on to something with Tony or did he say something PM that got the scum to kill him or is it some kind of decoy from the scum to make us look in the wrong direction!

And yes ich would had agreed on that we should had needed the lynch on day 1 because no matter what this is gonna be a short game.

[Frank Stella]

I want to look at Tony (Sol's number 1 suspect) and Frank (who tied the vote a third way). I sort of expected John to tie the vote out of self preservation, but Frank really should have pushed it one way or the other so we'd have a lynch to go off of. It's no good to be playing blind and giving the scum free kills, we need to be proactive (especially in this small a game).

In regards to my vote aiding the three way tie; that was not part of my consideration for the vote. I wasn't voting just to get a lynch, I was voting for the person who I thought was the most likely of the group to be scum (Going off what we knew from day one, and what I thought of Eva at that point). I'm not sure what some of the other people were doing; as I know some people's votes didn't aid the lynch prospects either. I personally would rather have a no lynch then aid in a lynch of a person I didn't think was scum; especially when our group as a whole is so minimal.

[Brice Marden]

I'm not sure what some of the other people were doing; as I know some people's votes didn't aid the lynch prospects either. I personally would rather have a no lynch then aid in a lynch of a person I didn't think was scum; especially when our group as a whole is so minimal.

I'll respond, since I was another who chose not to break the tie. As I stated when I placed my vote, with NO confidence that we were finding scum yesterday I thought it foolish to lynch someone. We only have a few town here, so it's important to not lynch wrongly.

I want to look at Tony (Sol's number 1 suspect) and Frank (who tied the vote a third way). I sort of expected John to tie the vote out of self preservation, but Frank really should have pushed it one way or the other so we'd have a lynch to go off of. It's no good to be playing blind and giving the scum free kills, we need to be proactive (especially in this small a game).

Sorry, that sounds scummy to me. Makes me think that perhaps the first two tied were both town, which the scum obviously would know, so you're torqued that no one hammered either of them. And the scum perhaps had already placed votes so didn't want to switch and be obvious. I think your logic here is flat wrong. 9 of 10 times the first day lynch is town. So lynching yesterday would have given the scum another free kill in addition to Sol.

[Tony Smith]

I want to look at Tony (Sol's number 1 suspect) and Frank (who tied the vote a third way). I sort of expected John to tie the vote out of self preservation, but Frank really should have pushed it one way or the other so we'd have a lynch to go off of. It's no good to be playing blind and giving the scum free kills, we need to be proactive (especially in this small a game).

As others have said, you don't really think I would be scum and I would kill off the most vocal opponent of mine. I'll admit some of the things I said yesterday were foolish, but I would have to be part of the worst scum team ever to do something like this. The smarter, more logical course of action that they probably took was to try and frame me, something that others have also agreed with. However, please, ask me any questions you wish.

[Ellsworth Kelly]

I'll admit some of the things I said yesterday were foolish, but I would have to be part of the worst scum team ever to do something like this.

Or you could be part of one of the second worst scum teams and do it anyway thinking the town couldn't possibly think they'd be so obvious.

I also noticed some abrasiveness between Sol and Jo even while both voted for Tony.

[Carl Andre]

Aaand, now we're back where we started... except we're down one loyal townie. While this is preferable to a townie lynch, I personally think the tie put us back a lot; we can't win this thing if we don't take a chance! While I'm less sure about the Ellsworth lynch due to his more helpful attitude today, the John lynch was completely bogus. Eva's lynch too, probably. In hindsight, we should have lynched Tony.

But I mean hey, I didn't exactly vote for him either, so too little too late.

By the looks of it, near the end of the day, he was reading deep into Tony's words, and seemed to be pointing out suspicious comments and analyzing posts pretty well, but it's all pretty general up until he casts his vote. Perhaps he was right about all that and they had him killed to keep him from snooping any further? Or maybe they just wanted to off a helpful-looking townie?

I'm still not comfortable with you, but this post has helped. If you're town, thank you.

On the topic of Tony, that's entirely possible - I've seen it done before in the past. It was fairly late in the day and Tony hadn't responded, if I remember correctly, so if he was going to kill an accuser, that was the way to do it.

Hm, Sol was pretty middle of the pack yesterday. Not overly vocal, but not hiding in the shadows either. I'm guessing he was picked because middle of the pack guys are less likely to be protected so early on

This, of course, was possible as well. Even with such a minimalist setup, I'm sure we have a protector that can throw a wrench into the scum's plans.

Maybe the scum decided on his kill separately from Tony, whether Tony's scum or not. Maybe they wanted Sol before he even called out Tony??

Perhaps there's no town vig since it's a minimal game (possible, but I doubt it) or since there was no clear target, so much so that we had a 3 way tie on the voting, the vig decided not to kill on night 1. Certainly not unknown to happen that way.

I wouldn't have killed last night, (even though I had/have suspects) and I don't see why anyone would have. There's certainly not enough to go on to just up and kill someone. While I'm not sure if we have a vig, I'd say it's likely.

As others have said, you don't really think I would be scum and I would kill off the most vocal opponent of mine. I'll admit some of the things I said yesterday were foolish, but I would have to be part of the worst scum team ever to do something like this. The smarter, more logical course of action that they probably took was to try and frame me, something that others have also agreed with. However, please, ask me any questions you wish.

But that's exactly what you'd say if you killed him - "You guys don't think I'm stupid enough to kill my accuser, right??". That's what I'd say, and I'm pretty sure it's exactly what anyone else would say in your position. It doesn't help anything.

[Donald Judd]

I don't think looking at who seemed cross at Sol in thread will reveal any motive for his murder. I think the scum chose someone either based on a guess at who they believed them to be, because they might have seen behavior that indicated a night action (which I don't see myself looking back), or just chose a name they liked somewhat randomly.

We should remember that scum would not have much more to base a kill on than knowing who's not on their side. Deeper meaning to the first days, when it is likely that there were few private conversations going around and hardly anything substantive in public conversation, will probably not be found.

I'll respond, since I was another who chose not to break the tie. As I stated when I placed my vote, with NO confidence that we were finding scum yesterday I thought it foolish to lynch someone. We only have a few town here, so it's important to not lynch wrongly.

Sorry, that sounds scummy to me. Makes me think that perhaps the first two tied were both town, which the scum obviously would know, so you're torqued that no one hammered either of them. And the scum perhaps had already placed votes so didn't want to switch and be obvious. I think your logic here is flat wrong. 9 of 10 times the first day lynch is town. So lynching yesterday would have given the scum another free kill in addition to Sol.

How could you have much confidence about anyone the first day? I agree that voting for the person you find most likely to be scum is best, but perhaps your statement makes you sound more sure of people's alignments than you should be.

Your theory that the scum wouldn't have placed a hammer vote I find unlikely. It would not have put the scum changing the vote in much scrutiny considering a few of us do feel that, even though statistically speaking lynching town is far more likely in the early days of these situations, early lynches are important to playing this game. I think it would have been fairly easy to justify placing a hammer vote by a scum in most situations.

The only reason I see for scum just doing enough to tie the vote is to protect one of their own while drawing the least amount of attention. By not resolving anything yesterday with a firm affiliation of one candidate, we can't judge the actions of people as clearly. The vote is less likely to be scrutinized if a town person did not die because of it. It is also possible that more than one candidate may have been scum.

I'll be back shortly, I have to find a quote.

And back.

John's vote is really interesting to me.

Just want to point out, I'm getting lynched as it stands. I am innocent. To give myself a chance I will Unvote: Anne Truitt, and Vote: Eva Hesse.

I still have heard no reason at all for why I would be scum. Anne's reasons are no reasons, as they lay words in my mouth I have not said.

Right, so I'm going to sleepy sleepy, and I don't want to be lynched. By my math, if I Unvote: Eva Hesse and Vote: Ellsworth Kelly I should be alive for now.

When John changed his vote from Eva to Ellsworth to "prevent his lynch" Eva had three votes and was already tied with John. All that changed with his vote was that It was Ellsworth tied with him instead of Eva. It was only later when Frank voted that Eva came back into what was now a three-way tie.

Neither vote was backed up by any reason other than attempting to save himself. I'd like John to try to elaborate on this and see what comes of it. I find his voting pattern the most odd.

[Ellsworth Kelly]

When John changed his vote from Eva to Ellsworth to "prevent his lynch" Eva had three votes and was already tied with John. All that changed with his vote was that It was Ellsworth tied with him instead of Eva. It was only later when Frank voted that Eva came back into what was now a three-way tie.

Neither vote was backed up by any reason other than attempting to save himself. I'd like John to try to elaborate on this and see what comes of it. I find his voting pattern the most odd.

That is weird. Maybe he was hoping to jump onto what would hopefully be a bandwagon (Eva's at the time of his changing his vote had ground to a halt while the votes were just beginning to land on me) under the guise of trying to save himself?

[Hinckley]

You may now vote. You have 48 hours to reach a conviction.

(Yes, there will eventually be interludes again.)