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Whats with the black latex gloves...?

Thats not bad in fairness. I love the forks and rear shock. Front mudguard isn't great... but overall, especially without the fairing on, its pretty good. As a bike owner its easy to be overly critical, but i suspect bulldozer owners feel the same about other sets! It deserves a thumbs up - the bike community has been under represented with sets, these wheels suggest we'll get more of these which can only be a positive.

its massive... surely there's some hidden functions in it? I can accept a 3 speed gearbox due to space issues, but a model that size needs to either look the dogs bollox or pack a technical punch. Unless commercial restrictions intervened. It needs to sell, and my geeky needs as a bike owner are in the minority.

+1 The scale would surely make it possible. The suspension interests me. I'm hoping for something decent.. new parts maybe that allow damping adjustment, its easy to make your own with existing parts, but new bricks and new solutions are always good

technic doesn't bore me as i think of technic as mocs.. official sets are just the occasional cherry on the cake, but nothing more. They represent 5% of my pleasure from technic, for me its a moc tool

R1 is an excellent choice - both in real life and for lego - as you rightly point out, the cross-plane crank would be an interesting feature. I'd welcome an R1M, even though i'm a zx10r owner, the R1 is a beautiful bike with an interesting engine concept

...build quality looks very similar to the real thing!! Poor. Keeps the dealers busy fixing them, and makes it easier to replicate in lego! Hoping better pics from a proper review show a better model than the leaks. Looks scrappy. And the rear tyres aspect ratio is wrong. Makes it look like a bicycle tyre. On the plus side, the kawasaki they release in a couple of years will benefit from the learning curve!!

I've got zx10r and i love it ❤.. bikes are my thing so i'm hopeful that this set really hits the bike-geek spot. The Ducati really didn't at all, i had zero interest. I'd love to see mechanical authenticity, something a mechnically minded bike owner can embrace. ...and then maybe in a couple of years we'll get a proper model! Not of this bmw nonsense, a Kawasaki zx10r!!🤣

Suspected scam site... 'selling' the Cat at £247.. the domain lookup isn't right. Approach with extreme caution.

Wow.. I'm a tractor man so fully appreciate this moc as i'm very familiar with the quadtrac. A gorgeous model.

I've worked in warehousing and logistics in the past and have seen these automated warehouses in real life - this moc is incredible! I used to write warehouse management software... Excellent build. Very authentic!

Here's a thought... those of us with bikes know the suspension is highly adjustable for compression and rebound damping, plus spring preload as well as rear ride height.... Pneumatics could be used alongside a spring to act as the oil in the damping circuit. I've built car suspension and used a pneumatic ram with the hose constricted to act as a damper. It works well and takes the bounce out of the spring. If new parts are likely it would be a nice feature and is a significant part of a real sportsbike. (and a headache to setup!!)

Interesting! As the owner of a real-life Kawasaki zx10r and lover of sportsbikes, to see a bike being done properly at a decent scale (ducati was shite...), makes me quite excited. I just hope they do it justice.... the stream of cars in various scales, does nothing for me at all. The change in itself is very welcome. Fingers crossed for a proper effort.

I should have been more specific!! Thats £297... Bingo!

Now available for £324.... £100 below rrp. Surely the loudest voices about the high price should be equally loud about this excellent turn of events... No? Is that not how it works..... Another £25 and i'll buy it. Want it to start with a '2' just cos it feels better

Highly subjective. I can write code to control the motors, i enjoy it and in many ways is preferable to me... however, its not a commercial product. It is no where near as polished or debugged as the TLG app which despite the moans, will have taken hundreds of hours of dev time... and my app wouldn't be preferable to the vast majority of users in 100 different countries around the world. Its the same argument that often arises - Mocs/Apps built by us are not subject to the marketing/financial/demographic constraints that TLG are, therefore its not really a valid comparison. But, moaners love to moan, valid or not!!

(just to confirm, in case there's any doubt, i agree completely!!) Correct.. I love that i can use different apps to code a controller for my mocs. Its a brilliant addition to lego. Lack of the app is pretty low key really....

..and great news! Its not £419 anymore, already available with £60 off at £359... 15% off is a good start. https://www.costco.co.uk/Toys-Baby-Child/Toys-Games/Lego-Construction-Toys/LEGO-Technic-App-Controlled-Cat-D11T-Bulldozer-Model-42131-18-Years/p/364743?utm_campaign=FY22P2W2a&utm_medium=email&utm_source=email&utm_content=Hero-1&utm_term=LEGO

Ain't that the truth... again... Personally, i'm really looking forward to getting this set at xmas. And just to be a rebel, i like C+... playing with programming it myself is an important step into the modern world by TLG. Blending the digital with physical is fantastic.

Why? TLG will not go after individuals... the whole premise of this thread is incorrect. Other parts are already patented and its changed nothing. Unless you're a large copy-cat company, nothing will change. This is people desperate to bash TLG for doing the sensible thing - protecting their IP. Then in some kind of tabloid newspaper fictional spin, its been decided (based on what facts?) that moc-ers can't use it or they'll end up in court!!! Ludicrous. Now if i were TLG, I would definitely introduce a licence fee for those who profit from it. Commercial use is very different to private use. You can listen to music at home with no concerns, but if you play it at a public event you're supposed to pay royalties to the artist. Software dev tools are free unless its for commercial use, at which point you pay a licence fee. You want to use lego as a commercial venture, be a grown-up and accept a licence fee would be reasonable. Other than that, nothing will change....

I disagree... I'm a software developer, primarily using the c# language. This language was created by microsoft and is the equivalent of the bricks created by TLG. I'm able to use c# code to create my own software application - it is in fact my career... c# isn't mine and is probably the IP of microsoft, but i can use the 'bricks', and the resulting applications IP belongs to me even though the IP of the individual 'bricks'/code, doesn't. So TLG group should absolutely protect the IP of their brinks and if anybody reproduces those bricks they should drag them through the courts... ..but using the bricks to create a MOC is a very different thing. Now if you then use that moc to earn money, TLG may take an interest... Indeed, if i produce commercial software from a free version of the development environment is use (visual studio), microsoft could take me to court, so i use a paid-for commercial use version. Lego was just a toy, so no end-user licence agreements exist (unless there is an implicit one?). TLG may review that, and if you're using their platform to monetise it and recreate a business, they may want to stop that - or potentially introduce a fair-use policy for commercial users - and they'd be well within their rights to do that if they chose to. Again, this is common business practice. At the moment producing moc for financial gain is the wild-west... brace yourselves, there may be a new sheriff in town....

Don't quote me out of context, thats the cheapest trick going. What i said was.... "this is normal business practice - you have to protect your intellectual property. Anybody who thinks differently is naïve (at best)" ..Which is correct. Every company involved in R&D patents their IP. Thats a statement of fact, not an opinion. If somebody thinks this isn't normal, widespread business practice, then by definition, they are naïve. Definition: (of a person or action) showing a lack of experience, wisdom So its not anything to spin into an angle against my words. I wasn't even expressing a personal view, simply stating what is fact.. so play your politics with someone else. Take your judgemental blinkers off and realise i was stating fact and not attacking anybody.

Well said .*1000 TLG spend millions on r&d and are totally entitled to patent it. Thousands of companies patent things every day, this is normal business practice - you have to protect your intellectual property. Anybody who thinks differently is naïve (at best) If TLG have got one back after having their entire platform copied/stolen, good on them. They created the whole thing... the flipflop beam is a great example of someone standing on the shoulders of giants. Can't believe that this forum is critical of TLG protecting its own designs.

Thats a bold statement. Some may consider it better in some areas, but 'light years' is a pretty unrealistic claim... but feel free to add supportive evidence! (ps Its a great moc, not knocking the builder, just questioning the hyperbole used...)