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@ElGreco Between the 2 setups the difference in friction should be neglicable, because of that this will be the same for battery consumption and heat. So whichever you go for has more to do with preferece on how its build. As for the O-rings they wouldnt give much more friction either, they could however improve traction if your wheels keep slipping. @Train of Thought Creations Having the gears like this is a really common practice that usually doesn't really fail, so I'm not sure why yours did. The only explanation I could give is either (accidental) not properly assembled parts or older worn out gears.

It's just instruction fixes and even further parts usage optimization after I build 1.2 myself and realised I had more usefull parts leftover. I tried to reuse as many as I could to make the modification as accessible as possible for everyone. There are 2 people who have posted it running with my setup for anyone curious btw.

It is accurate to look at is as an afterthough. Lego sets get a parts budget. By going for a 2nd coach that means the parts that have to be allocated for have to come from somewhere else, in this case that was the locomotive. If it didn't have a 2nd coach those parts would have (most likely) been used to beef up the locomotive. They wont fit no, The entire locomotive would have to be fully modified to fit XL drivers since well.. they are bigger as you'd expect.

Honestly, I think this set is getting way too much hate. After building it, having it in hand, and playing around with it its a fine set. Its not perfect, but this set does shine above most others that have come before it. The problem lies behind it. It partically has to do with TLG and partially with us. We all know when it comes to LEGO Ideas we only vote for the idea nowadays, not the picture we see, we're all aware this is how it has been for a while so thats on us. But I also think TLG should really should try to strive closer to the original fan design unless its for the better. I understand that making the locomotive smaller to fit standard LEGO track (which the original didn't) was necessairy (though they obv went *too* small), but taking the route of making the locomotive an afterthough was the wrong way to go, a train is only as good as its locomotive. On it's own, the locomotive is fine, not perfect, could have been more. But from TLG more than acceptable and I do like it. The problem is when you compare it to the ideas vote, thats where the criticism is valid.

It only took 2 extra studs to add the rear bogie, but thats also because of the larger XL drivers. The pilot wheels mod was actually really easy and fits underneath the original locomotive as well

Playing around a little, gonna see if I can do the orient express justice without deviating too much from the original design.

They did say *THEY* couldnt get it motorized (within their own internal criteria most likely), they didn't say it couldn't be motorized at all if I remember correctly. They also mentioned they could have most likely shipped it with the ability to be motorized if they ditched the 2nd car, but O.E didn't want that so they had to go this route. Knowing this they probably designed the loc around the thought that people would 100% try to motorize it giving us precisely enough space for a battery box and even an accomodating hatch that has no use besides accessing the power button which I would say was nice fan service of the designers. And well, they did say it was too heavy, so if we ignore that statement and decide to motorize it anyways and potentially wear out our motors quicker than normal that's on us, not on them.

I do agree with their lack of quality control on this set, it's kind of disappointing. When it comes to the price its most likely because of the Orient Express license, I've checked the prices of their service online and they go absurdly high. When it comes to the motorization I don't think you should claim they are "boldly lying" to us. Even though it does run and go through r40 curves, it is a heavy train and lego's wheels heaving no actual bearings doesn't help with it.Those 2 factors probably put enough stress on the motor for their internal testing to not give it a pass to be marketed with such compatibility as it might wear out the motors quicker.

There have been quite a few instances where the 1x4 slopes with gold lines have misaligned printing. mine has 2.

That would require an entire overhaul of the locomotive so doubt

I can't say for sure if this is the most secure solution.... but as a proof of concept. 2 L motors with an upped gear ratio to run faster

@ElGreco I just wanted to mention that I was able to just build my design that I posted on Rebrickable https://rebrickable.com/mocs/MOC-165803/StijnD/21344-orient-express-motorization-powered-up/#comments and it ran completely fine across the track. After building it I noticed what spare parts I had left and was able to adjust the design even more to now only use 22 parts (28 if you include the PU components and 4 1x2 bricks for the bogie mod)! @zephyr1934 Looks like stud.io was wrong about the axle's length in the end, so bushes are able to be added if preferred :)

I think the coaches should be 1 plate lower (the bottom blue part). Right now that windows are a plate higher than the doors are,, so this should improve the looks a lot.

Don't worry, it didnt come over like that. I usually try to overengineer stufff as well but In this particular case I don't think bushes are needed, if I did want to add them I'd have to change the design up anyways. I already adjusted the instructions, it only took 4 1/2 technic pins, technically you could get away with only 2 at the front side.

I would personally go with the L motor since it should have about 2x the power of an M motor if look around real quick (you can get them for as low as 11 euro's). I also designed the current setup around the L motor so an M might not sit as secure if you were to go with it anyways. As for batteries I'm not an expert in this field but I'm sure there are a lot videos on YT about this.