Lind Whisperer Posted October 7, 2014 Posted October 7, 2014 And I too agree, Lind, you're screwing the town with that vote. I too would rather vote for Captain than Lord or jamesn, but I changed mine because we NEED the lynch. Yes, mathematically and using purely logical reasoning, it'd be better for the town to not lynch on day 1 (and there's websites out there I've looked at before doing some analysis of that, in way more depth than a mafia game deserves). HOWEVER, the lynch, learning of someone's allegiance, and then analyzing everyone's votes is pretty much all we have to go on for day 2. And that is CRITICAL information, absolutely worth sacrificing a townie for. We're hardly at the last hour yet. You yourself said that Captain Settle is a better choice for a lynch. People have been logging on so often that it would be perfectly possible to get the necessary ten votes. Not to mention, enough people have already stated their belief that Jamesn is scum that I am sure you will not have any trouble finding a tenth. Well, when 1 person says the truth, what's wrong with a second (and third) saying it too? In this case, one obviously wasn't enough since you havent' changed your mind. Nothing, I was merely taking note/reminding people of the fact that he hasn't made very many non-fluff aimed posts. Frankly, your vote is a big enough error that it makes me wonder if you, Lord, and jamesn are all scum together since you're so reluctant to vote for one of them. Actually, if you flip backwards, I was more than ready to vote for Lord Duvors, until he posted a moderately fair defense. Granted, I could just be claiming that, but then again, there's no more proof of that one way than the other. Also, if I were scum, why exactly am I trying to point out Captain Settle here? The best way for a scum to go unnoticed is to rat out another scum. I'm not defending Jamesn, he has exhibited multiple facets of being scum and it's likely he will get lynched. I'm choosing not to vote for him not because of some hypothetical "team," but because I don't personally think that he's the best candidate for a day one.
jimmynick Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 I'm still not quite happy with my vote for Jamesn, but I'm going to stick with it. I've changed too many times anyway. How do you do the mental gymnastics to think that's OK? Are you trying not to look wishy-washy when attention rolls properly around to you? Jamesn, on the other hand.... while I think he's LIKELY town as well (heck, just play the odds and he's more likely town than scum), I also think he's certainly experienced enough to look helpful and townie while actually being scummy to the core. And since SOMEONE needs to go, so we have info to go off of tomorrow, Aww, thanks for the meta!
Piratedave84 Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 We're hardly at the last hour yet. You yourself said that Captain Settle is a better choice for a lynch. People have been logging on so often that it would be perfectly possible to get the necessary ten votes. Not to mention, enough people have already stated their belief that Jamesn is scum that I am sure you will not have any trouble finding a tenth. Nothing, I was merely taking note/reminding people of the fact that he hasn't made very many non-fluff aimed posts. Actually, if you flip backwards, I was more than ready to vote for Lord Duvors, until he posted a moderately fair defense. Granted, I could just be claiming that, but then again, there's no more proof of that one way than the other. Also, if I were scum, why exactly am I trying to point out Captain Settle here? The best way for a scum to go unnoticed is to rat out another scum. I'm not defending Jamesn, he has exhibited multiple facets of being scum and it's likely he will get lynched. I'm choosing not to vote for him not because of some hypothetical "team," but because I don't personally think that he's the best candidate for a day one. wtf are you saying? He is "exhibiting multiple facets of being scum" but you won't vote for him because ... He's not scummy ...
Lind Whisperer Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 wtf are you saying? He is "exhibiting multiple facets of being scum" but you won't vote for him because ... He's not scummy ... What I was saying is that he has exhibited tendencies that could be interpreted as either being scum or not scum.
Piratedave84 Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 What I was saying is that he has exhibited tendencies that could be interpreted as either being scum or not scum. No, you said I'm not defending Jamesn, he has exhibited multiple facets of being scum and it's likely he will get lynched. I'm choosing not to vote for him not because of some hypothetical "team," but because I don't personally think that he's the best candidate for a day one.
Brickelodeon Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 The question is no longer why you should vote for one of these candidates, it is why should you NOT vote for one of them? It is settled that Captain Settle will not be lynched tonight, yet you refuse to let the town take a step ahead and do what NEEDS to be done. Could it be that both of the candidates are townies, and you want to make yourself look better by voting for one of your scum buddies?
Lind Whisperer Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 The question is no longer why you should vote for one of these candidates, it is why should you NOT vote for one of them? It is settled that Captain Settle will not be lynched tonight, yet you refuse to let the town take a step ahead and do what NEEDS to be done. I have already said why I am not interested in voting for Jamesn. Also, I am not preventing the rest of the town from doing anything. I'm merely choosing to vote for the person who I consider to be the best candidate. Do I think Captain Settle will be lynched? No, but I am not going to change my vote simply because people disagree with it. Granted, it may not be the best personal action for the town, but there is certainly at least more than one person who is only voting for Duvors because back then he was the most popular candidate. You should have no trouble getting your tenth vote. Could it be that both of the candidates are townies, and you want to make yourself look better by voting for one of your scum buddies? That would be a great idea. I really wish I had thought of it back when I first posted that concept. Unfortunately, I didn't, and I'm not, nor would I have so much false bravado as to post a strategy I was in the process of committing.
Scaevola Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 @Brickelodeon: I was suspicious of you because you admitted Duvors was a quicker and viable lynch in post, but voted for jamesn instead citing only his inactivity (this was before the new speculations about him surfaced). This was quite a blatant indication that you didn't want the lynch, but nonetheless wanted to endear yourself to the majority. The fact that you didn't unvote jamesn has alleviated a considerable amount of my suspicion on you though, so I'm mostly of the stance that you have decent justification of your vote with the influx of accusations. As for my stance on jamesn, his initial aggravation at myself and other for our skepticism (nobody utterly refused the possibility of the role as he keeps saying) was justified, as the reading explicity stated it was a common role. After I admitted the relevancy of the role, he did cling onto the argument and engorge it to more than it needed to be. However when active, he gave valid accusations, such as multitudinous concurrence of certain members with each other, and he was the first to accuse Lord Duvors and set the foundation for his very sensible lynch. For this I'm inclined to believe jamesn as somewhat scummy, but I believe Lord Duvors (and Captain Settle for that matter, but he hasn't received enough votes to constitute a lynch in the remaining time, or at least not as swiftly) to be a better lynch. However, the need for a lynch certainly takes precedence, and jamesn is a decent candidate. Due partially to the scant time we have left , I will Unvote: Lord Duvors (Lord Duvors) and Vote: jamesn (jamesn)
StickFig Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 16 hours. Closes at 2:30 pm Japan time. So by this clock that means that we only have a few more hours now, and the way the first couple of days (real life) have gone, I think I'm about the only one up anymore. There's no reason to keep a vote on Captain anymore other than to prevent a lynch, and that would be a mistake. I agree. Unvote: Captain Settle (Captain Settle) Sorry jamesn, I don't think you're scum but it's time to get this done. Vote: jamesn (jamesn) Dangit Scaevola you beat me to it.
mostlytechnic Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 Dangit Scaevola you beat me to it. How long does it take you to type man? Your post was 16 minutes after Scaevolas!
StickFig Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 Heh I'm on mobile at work and got interrupted.... I was probably typing that for 35-40 minutes.
mostlytechnic Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 I've still got pyro marked as not voting, is that correct? Better fix that quick or there will be penalty votes tomorrow...
Piratedave84 Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 I've still got pyro marked as not voting, is that correct? Better fix that quick or there will be penalty votes tomorrow... As a matter of fact, we have not heard from him in a long time.
Lady K Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 As a matter of fact, we have not heard from him in a long time. Am I missing something or was his last post over 24hrs ago?
Lind Whisperer Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 Since it appears that Jamesn is tonight's victim, and there is no chance of Captain Settle being lynched, I am switching my vote for the following reason, and the following reason only: 3.5. Players may not target the same player two nights in a row... I still believe that Jamesn may be innocent, however since Captain Settle is not being lynched, I am allowing myself the chance to vote for him tomorrow. Morally, I am still voting for Captain Settle, and if the mechanics allowed it, I would let the vote stay, however I remembered in time that they don't and I'm not. Unvote: Captain Settle Vote: Jamesn
jimmynick Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 I have a few trivial things to share. The first regards Lind Whisperer. Actually, if this were a forum, and we were people posting on it instead of being trapped in a room by a diabolical madman, a person could check the "Users Reading" list. And, if I were a person on a forum, I would be pretty sure that he would have been on there for at least twenty minutes. This post really rubbed me the wrong way, in that it seems like you were "helping" people accuse me without actually accusing me of anything. Also, if I were scum, why exactly am I trying to point out Captain Settle here? The best way for a scum to go unnoticed is to rat out another scum. I'm not defending Jamesn, he has exhibited multiple facets of being scum and it's likely he will get lynched. I'm choosing not to vote for him not because of some hypothetical "team," but because I don't personally think that he's the best candidate for a day one. People have mentioned this before, but this looks like you're setting yourself up for an "I told you so" kind of moment when I flip town. Trust me, I did the same thing my first time in mafia school (as a scum). Since it appears that Jamesn is tonight's victim, and there is no chance of Captain Settle being lynched, I am switching my vote for the following reason, and the following reason only: You know that rule refers to night actions, which happen at night, rather than votes, which happen during the day? Good job! And the fact you are making up an excuse to vote for me really seals the deal that you're setting up an "I told you so" for tomorrow. Unvote: Lord Duvors (Lord Duvors) Vote: Lind Whisperer (Lind Whisperer) My scum list currently consists of the following people: Lind Whisperer, Brickelodeon, TheLazyChicken and mostlytechnic. Also, I'm the doctor. So good job, scum, for pulling the wool over the town's eyes when all I ever wanted to do was to cut through the BS (and maybe get a little action on the side ). I only see one way out for the town here (hint: it's the deadboard).
Brickelodeon Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 I honestly see the Doctor claim as a desperate last resort, and I am not quite sure I trust it. If I were mafia in your position, I would either claim Doctor or Cop, in hopes that I could at least try to sway the vote.
jluck Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 I have a few trivial things to share. The first regards Lind Whisperer. This post really rubbed me the wrong way, in that it seems like you were "helping" people accuse me without actually accusing me of anything. People have mentioned this before, but this looks like you're setting yourself up for an "I told you so" kind of moment when I flip town. Trust me, I did the same thing my first time in mafia school (as a scum). You know that rule refers to night actions, which happen at night, rather than votes, which happen during the day? Good job! And the fact you are making up an excuse to vote for me really seals the deal that you're setting up an "I told you so" for tomorrow. Unvote: Lord Duvors (Lord Duvors) Vote: Lind Whisperer (Lind Whisperer) My scum list currently consists of the following people: Lind Whisperer, Brickelodeon, TheLazyChicken and mostlytechnic. Also, I'm the doctor. So good job, scum, for pulling the wool over the town's eyes when all I ever wanted to do was to cut through the BS (and maybe get a little action on the side ). I only see one way out for the town here (hint: it's the deadboard). Why would you announce being the doctor now? Claiming just a few minutes before closing won't save you. Instead, you've just told the scum that the doctor is gone, something they would have no way of know, in a last ditch effort to save yourself. I sincerely hope this is just a last ditch lie to save yourself, but if your being honest you just pulled the pin on a grenade as you died (meaning, you hurt those on your team even after you died, for those who may not follow). Since it appears that Jamesn is tonight's victim, and there is no chance of Captain Settle being lynched, I am switching my vote for the following reason, and the following reason only: I still believe that Jamesn may be innocent, however since Captain Settle is not being lynched, I am allowing myself the chance to vote for him tomorrow. Morally, I am still voting for Captain Settle, and if the mechanics allowed it, I would let the vote stay, however I remembered in time that they don't and I'm not. Unvote: Captain Settle Vote: Jamesn Jamesn is right on one thing though, this only applies to night action...I assume an innocent misread of a noob but it doesn't look to good on you.
jimmynick Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 jluckhaupt, you're absolutely right. I'm being selfish and spiteful. Brickelodeon, it's easy for you to say that because you are scum. How about we play a game called "If you can counterclaim doctor, PM Mencot"? Because if anyone does counterclaim, then there'll be a roadmap to the scum.
Lind Whisperer Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 I have a few trivial things to share. The first regards Lind Whisperer. Actually, you mean all of them regard Lind Whisperer. It's still technically accurate, but the way you're framing it suggests that there are other "trivial things" besides me mentioned. And, I guess there are perhaps two at the end, but still... This post really rubbed me the wrong way, in that it seems like you were "helping" people accuse me without actually accusing me of anything. I have no reason to defend this one. I was using it to track everyone who was reading, and I freely shared it. People have mentioned this before, but this looks like you're setting yourself up for an "I told you so" kind of moment when I flip town. Trust me, I did the same thing my first time in mafia school (as a scum). Well, that's just great. Might I mention the part where this isn't "your first time in mafia school as a scum"? Yes, I am aware that that will be the result. But, everyone else who has said they doubted your guilt will be in the same position. You're trying to throw dirt at more people than could possibly be scum. You know that rule refers to night actions, which happen at night, rather than votes, which happen during the day? Good job! And the fact you are making up an excuse to vote for me really seals the deal that you're setting up an "I told you so" for tomorrow. How the heck did I not see that...my bad. Like I've said, Mafia School. Although, still, my bad. I have thought long and hard about changing my vote back to Captain Settle. Do I still believe he might very well be scum? Yes. But after the way you've yelled, I've analyzed it mentally, removing all personal feelings, and I have decided that yes, you are the best choice for a lynching. Unvote: Lord Duvors (Lord Duvors) Vote: Lind Whisperer (Lind Whisperer) My scum list currently consists of the following people: Lind Whisperer, Brickelodeon, TheLazyChicken and mostlytechnic. My first lynch vote. And it's a boy! * Also, I'm the doctor. So good job, scum, for pulling the wool over the town's eyes when all I ever wanted to do was to cut through the BS (and maybe get a little action on the side ). I only see one way out for the town here (hint: it's the deadboard). Well, we'll see in the morning. Right now, it sounds a bit like a desperate last grab for a reason to stave off the lynching. If you are town, and you are a doctor, my apologies, but you really need to tone your messaging down. It comes off as too harsh. Also, even if you do survive the lynching through some last minute twist of votes, that's kind of guaranteeing that the SK(if there is one), will be targeting you tonight... *It seemed funny to me. It is meant as a simple joke, nothing more, nothing less.
Brickelodeon Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 You are trying to bait the doctor (if you aren't, I never said you weren't, I just said your claim was fishy) into giving away his roll to one of your possible scum buddies. You are trying to save your own neck, but hurting the town in the process.
jimmynick Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 Did you forget the bit about a person claiming miller almost always being miller?
jluck Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 Well, for better or for worse, it appears we have a lynch. Tomorrow will give us plenty of talking points, so I'll leave that for then. The only thing I'm still concerned about is this: 2. Each day you will be able to vote to lynch a player. Voting is mandatory. Voting should be done in the following format; Vote: Character (Player). Similarly, unvoting is to be done in the format; Unvote: Character (Player). No other format will be accepted. A majority vote is required to lynch a player. Failure to vote will incur a vote penalty the following game day. A penalty on a player who is not particularly scummy could put a shadow on an entire day, depending on how it's inacted. Where are you pyro?!
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