Mafia School- The Cosplay Party: Day One - Blurred Lines

[Xenophobic Monoxide]

I was originally going to vote for jamesn, but after seeing this discussion on Goliath, I do think he is the more scummy target. The false accusations, the "plea not to get lynched"...

Vote: Goliath (Goliath)

[mostlytechnic]

Thanks for the advice - it seems like it would be a whole different game if we couldn't unvote.

Well, people just use a "fakevote" system to do pokes and stuff and then place actual votes near the end of the day.

But enough off topic talk.... I'm getting a little concerned that goliath is getting a fast bandwagon pile going. Seems like that's usually what happens day 1 and it's usually about 99.9% of the time wrong.

[Kintobor]

But enough off topic talk.... I'm getting a little concerned that goliath is getting a fast bandwagon pile going. Seems like that's usually what happens day 1 and it's usually about 99.9% of the time wrong.

Is there anyone else you would consider voting for, then?

[Lind Whisperer]

I'm not entirely sure who to vote for. On the one hand, Spiderman might just be a not very good town player. On the other hand, he might be a not very good scum player.

Here are my thoughts:

If he isn't scum, and is actually town, the only thing we lose is a player who isn't helping us very much. As it stands, the first player lynched is almost always townie anyways, and better for it to be a player who could weaken the team as a whole*.

If he is scum, we get an early start, and an advantage.

Taking all of this into account, I'm afraid, Goliath, that I must

Vote: Spiderman(Goliath)

*I know it's a harsh thing to say, but this isn't a reality tv show, this is mafia.

[Cutcobra]

Let's get to business. Vote: jamesn (jamesn).

Why? He's the on who's been acting the scummiest since the beginning. First he starts making baseless accusations about people being scum.

Or are you trying to sow seeds of doubt amongst the town?

Then he points out Scaveola and Lord Duvors for "not paying attention". Is that really any reason to vote for someone? He may be right about Goliath, but I believe the guy just did some newbie mistakes.

So those of you who doubt there could be a miller in this game have either not done their reading or are scum.

Just want to pop in and say that just because I'm active in the thread doesn't mean I'm busy reading or even thinking about the game.

I have been quiet because there hasn't been much to say recently on my end.

I find it surprising you (collectively) think I'm scum because I got abrasive because you so willfully were not reading the thread. My scum list currently consists of Scaevola and Lord Duvors for particularly willfully not paying attention, and Goliath for stealing the show and dragging his accusations out so far.

And also, Xenophobic is kind of right. When he pointed out that you were accusing people on scum yo became rather quiet.

Mencot, you seem to quite agree with jamesn on saying Scaveola and Lord Duvors are acting up (you also say me too, and I'd like it if you were to share the reason why). And, before this, jamesn was quite serious on defending your Miller claim, even to the point of accusing others (yes, I know I literally just said this). I wonder why he would trust you so much in the first day?

[mostlytechnic]

Is there anyone else you would consider voting for, then?

Not yet. At this point I'd just be throwing a dart at a board to pick someone. That doesn't make me scummy, despite what Dr might say about waiting to vote. Just means I'd rather have a reason behind my vote rather than joining a baseless bandwagon.

[jimmynick]

(see my performance in the movie Red Menace for an example, since we're trapped in this theater)

Oh, I liked that movie!

... He begins accusing people of being scum just for having a different opinion than him ...

And also, Xenophobic is kind of right. When he pointed out that you were accusing people on scum yo became rather quiet.

I don't need to be told I was accusing people of being scum. I was unapologetically accusing people of being scum because they were denying the straight-up facts of this situation. And when you deny the facts (namely that a miller is possible in this game), you are confusing the town. Scum or not, that's mighty anti-town behaviour.

First he starts making baseless accusations about people being scum.

That is a matter of opinion.

Then he points out Scaveola and Lord Duvors for "not paying attention". Is that really any reason to vote for someone? He may be right about Goliath, but I believe the guy just did some newbie mistakes.

At least Goliath comes up with his own ideas, no matter how silly.

If you can't be bothered to read (especially the Rules and Strategies sections that Dr. def gave us), then you don't deserve to play. I'm going to Vote: Lord Duvors (Lord Duvors)

Mencot, you seem to quite agree with jamesn on saying Scaveola and Lord Duvors are acting up (you also say me too, and I'd like it if you were to share the reason why). And, before this, jamesn was quite serious on defending your Miller claim, even to the point of accusing others (yes, I know I literally just said this). I wonder why he would trust you so much in the first day?

Lord Duvors and Scaevola, Cutcobra has really got your back today. I wonder why he would trust you so much in the first day?

Make that Vote: Lord Duvors (Lord Duvors)

[mostlytechnic]

So.... I don't want to just jump on a bandwagon to lynch someone. But I also don't want to protect someone who's actually acting scummy. Since I was going to review everything Goliath's said, I figured I might as well share it with everyone so we can ALL make good decisions for the town. Here's all his posts so far:

All this talking about killing is making me hungry...

Starting fluff.

I'll just find a seat and watch you two, adventurer1 and Xenophobic Monoxide, duel each other, yes?

More fluff. No problem there IMHO.

It's quite odd to see everyone turn on each other on Day One, check please?!

Seems odd, but mostly in a noob way. Of course everyone turns on everyone on day one, that's what we do in mafia!

Xenophobic, they could be using reverse psychology.

Talking here about whether being talkative is a town-tell or scummy. Most were saying that talkative was townie since scum would stay quiet to hide, but he's arguing that some scum could try to hide by actively acting townie. Could be, but in that case it'd apply to him too since he's been one of the most talkative players....

I may be a bit paranoid but there could be someone cunning enough to try it. I've also been playing Destiny , that's why I haven't been posting a whole lot.

Same as last comment.

Pyrovision, I can second that since this is only day one.

Still on the same topic (hard to follow since I don't have in this post all the quotes of what he's referring to)

I have a Level 25 Hunter, Level 26 Warlock, and currently working on my Level 19 Titan. I also want to get to do Vault of Glass so that's why I'm not posting so much as everyone else. Since this is quite off-topic, I'll leave it at that.

Like I said, it's still just Day One, let's just see how this plays out, yes?

And more about talkative/quiet people

Speaking of which, I have my suspicions and I can tell one of them could be correct...

So here start the accusations... but what's the point of this comment? Obviously your suspicions could be right or they could be wrong. And without names, hard for this comment to mean anything.

I don't like to point fingers so I'll keep them to myself but you, Pyrovisionary, is not one of them. I'll keep my eyes peeled on the three people I think are baddies.

I would ultimately say that Cutcobra seems a bit suspicious to me considering sarcasm can be a scums greatest weapon... unless he's always sarcastic...

Getting pressure to name names, so he says this. Gives one of his suspicions and one of his town suspects. But not really any reason behind them. And is sarcasm a scum-tell? Just because you can say something and mean two things by it, depending on whether it's taken seriously or sarcastically? It's not like there's any requirement that scum tell the truth!

Scaevola, yeah, you're right. We should just see who sticks out like a sore thumb, in a bad way, then. Still though, I'll still have my eye on those who I think are untrustworthy. Let's just hope paranoia doesn't set in too soon, like with myself. Shall we continue?

More avoiding naming names, just saying we should wait.

And how do we not know you're scum? See, you can't tell for sure yet, it's still quite early. And there's the story about the boy who cried wolf. If you keep pointing people out and they turn up again, who's going to listen to you? Hopefully you understand the analogy I'm getting at. So just wait a bit and see if someone screws up, there's plenty of time for someone to be foolish in what they say to give them away.

Sure, let's just go with that?

I do like the see people screw up, good idea. I'll second it, why not?

Defending his reluctance to name names by saying it'd be like crying wolf to do so this early.

Alright, I think Lind Whisperer, Cutcobra, and jamesn could be guilty.

After more pressure, he finally gives names.

The reason I say Lind Whisperer is because he did point his finger to Mencot when it seemingly looked like he was explaining the rules a bit. I didn't find Mencot's post scummy at all but helpful in the sense he explained some things I didn't know. Perhaps Lind Whisperer could be using me, now, as a new scapegoat since Mencot has said anything in quite a while? He did also get out-of-character not too long ago so something seems a bit fishy to me about him. Just my thoughts about him.

Cutcobra because he seems like he could be a townie in the sense he's trying to manipulate people to a certain extent but did make jamesn look rather scummy so eh, he could be innocent.

Lastly, jamesn. I say him because he wanted to start lynching people right off the bat before people could start saying things. So maybe he could be a serial killer? I also just get a bad vibe from him, and it's not just because his character is a furry.

We all don't think the same but that's just my opinion. I could be wrong or I could be right, who knows? But if a crazy furry ends up killing someone, I wouldn't be too surprised.

Ok, and finally some reasons behind the names.

Again, not everyone thinks the same. I can have my opinions and so can you guys. You don't have to agree with my accusations since it's only Day One and no one is being too suspicious. Give it another day or two, this seems to be just the stress test.

And saying that it's early so don't put too much weight on what he's said. Legitimate, but seems overly defensive to be pointing it out.

So what do I think? At the risk of sounding wishy-washy, too early to tell. He's definitely being active, but as a newer player, hard to say whether that's legitimately trying to help or trying to be a deceptive scum. I'm leaning towards town though, slightly.

Oh, I liked that movie!

I don't need to be told I was accusing people of being scum. I was unapologetically accusing people of being scum because they were denying the straight-up facts of this situation. And when you deny the facts (namely that a miller is possible in this game), you are confusing the town. Scum or not, that's mighty anti-town behaviour.

I thought the movie was great up until the twist ending, which I hated.

And I agree that the people arguing that a miller wasn't possible and/or didn't read the intro information at at least being bad townies. Not sure that makes them scum since I'm working with the assumption there's at least one experienced scum on that team who can give them some guidance in private and so actual scum wouldn't make such bad comments.

[Lind Whisperer]

Wow...You simultaneously made me doubt you're scum and believe you're scum.

I don't need to be told I was accusing people of being scum. I was unapologetically accusing people of being scum because they were denying the straight-up facts of this situation. And when you deny the facts (namely that a miller is possible in this game), you are confusing the town. Scum or not, that's mighty anti-town behaviour.

That is a matter of opinion.

At least Goliath comes up with his own ideas, no matter how silly.

If you can't be bothered to read (especially the Rules and Strategies sections that Dr. def gave us), then you don't deserve to play. I'm going to Vote: Lord Duvors (Lord Duvors)

These are more general rules-guidance. These make me think you're town.

Lord Duvors and Scaevola, Cutcobra has really got your back today. I wonder why he would trust you so much in the first day?

This seems a bit like you're going on the offensive over the defense. This one makes me wonder if you're scum.

Also, I hope that last-minute vote, which wasn't there when I first responded, wasn't an edit...

[Cutcobra]

I don't need to be told I was accusing people of being scum. I was unapologetically accusing people of being scum because they were denying the straight-up facts of this situation. And when you deny the facts (namely that a miller is possible in this game), you are confusing the town. Scum or not, that's mighty anti-town behaviour.

How the hell is wondering if he is telling the truth "scummy". After you pointed out the Explicitly Normal roles, no one said something like "PLEASE THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE ZERO PERCENT CHANCE OF MILLER" but I can still doubt if Mencot is actually a Miller.

Lord Duvors and Scaevola, Cutcobra has really got your back today. I wonder why he would trust you so much in the first day?

Really? I barely said something about Lord Duvors, he's not contributing to the town I agree on that, but there are still better options than him. And Scaevola, give me one reason why Scaevola seems scummy. It's not "having their back" it's questioning why you, and suddenly Mencot (who you were defending so much in the first hours of the day) seem to have suspicions on a turtle who barely talked, but atleast talked more than others, and a space girl who I still don't find anything scummy about.

[jluck]

Also, I hope that last-minute vote, which wasn't there when I first responded, wasn't an edit...

If you post twice in a row, it combines your posts, but is not an edit. If edited, it will show when it was edited at the bottom.

Well, people just use a "fakevote" system to do pokes and stuff and then place actual votes near the end of the day.

But enough off topic talk.... I'm getting a little concerned that goliath is getting a fast bandwagon pile going. Seems like that's usually what happens day 1 and it's usually about 99.9% of the time wrong.

My thoughts exactly. People rush to judge, because we need something but usually it's grasping at straws. Spider-Man has been odd in the limited data we have so far, but it is so limited, I'd like to hear more from him. Also, several folks have been fairly absent, so I want to hear a bit more from them as well before I vote. For now, I will refrain...

[Lind Whisperer]

If you post twice in a row, it combines your posts, but is not an edit. If edited, it will show when it was edited at the bottom.

That's why I said "I hope". I knew about the combing, just not where to look for the edit marking.

Question: Is it possible in a game for there to be several scum on day 1 who still haven't figured out who the other scum are?

[jimmynick]

How the hell is wondering if he is telling the truth "scummy". After you pointed out the Explicitly Normal roles, no one said something like "PLEASE THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE ZERO PERCENT CHANCE OF MILLER" but I can still doubt if Mencot is actually a Miller.

Ah, but there's a subtle distinction. There were people who didn't believe Mencot because they didn't believe Mencot, and there were those who didn't believe Mencot because "this is Mafia School, there's no way Dr. def would put a miller in the setup." The latter are the ones I accused of being scum. You are of the former group.

Really? I barely said something about Lord Duvors, he's not contributing to the town I agree on that, but there are still better options than him. And Scaevola, give me one reason why Scaevola seems scummy. It's not "having their back" it's questioning why you, and suddenly Mencot (who you were defending so much in the first hours of the day) seem to have suspicions on a turtle who barely talked, but atleast talked more than others, and a space girl who I still don't find anything scummy about.

I was just turning your words around on you. Mencot and I aren't a team, just as you, Scaevola and Lord Duvors aren't a team. And if we were, do you really think we'd be in lockstep in the thread?

Question: Is it possible in a game for there to be several scum on day 1 who still haven't figured out who the other scum are?

Hinckley did that setup in Minimal Mafia, but that is exceedingly unusual.

[jluck]

That's why I said "I hope". I knew about the combing, just not where to look for the edit marking.

Question: Is it possible in a game for there to be several scum on day 1 who still haven't figured out who the other scum are?

Sure, it happened in red menice mafia when bob was a traitor and had to help the mafia but didn't know who they were, nor did they know him. Though it would seem unusual in a school.

[Brickelodeon]

My my... All of the accusations flying. I am inclined to vote for our masked friend over there, Spiderman. If he is scum, then the reasons to lynch him are obvious. However, even if he's not, he is distracting me from the real scum by making me think he is scum. He isn't a good team player for either town or scum, so I wouldn't mind getting rid of him.

Vote: SpiderMan(Goliath)

[Cutcobra]

I was just turning your words around on you. Mencot and I aren't a team, just as you, Scaevola and Lord Duvors aren't a team. And if we were, do you really think we'd be in lockstep in the thread?

Even though I directed the question to Mencot (he still hasn't answered) you made it as if me questioning why you and him think Scaevola and Lord Duvors is similar to you defending Mencot the first hours of the game to the point of accusing of scum. Maybe you wouldn't seem so scummy if you hadn't accused anyone for pointless reasons (and trying to make it as if Xenophobic was "planting the seeds of the doubt"), but I'm still voting for you. And no, I would think you would be in a lockstep in the thread. In that you are quite right.

By the way, if you were just twisting my words for the lolz then I don't find that quite town like.

[def]

Vote: Spiderman(Goliath)

Vote: SpiderMan(Goliath)

I will accept these votes because I'm not anal retentive, but there is no Spider-Man in this game. Please use the proper names in the future. I can get the gist generally, but if the proper name is given, there can be no debate about it after the fact.

Vote tally:

Goliath 5 (Mencot, Kintober, XM, Lind Whisperer, Brickelodeon)

Richila 1 (StickFig)

Jamesn 1 (CutCobra)

Lord Duvors 1 (Jamesn)

About 38.5 hours left. A majority (10) is needed for a lynch.

[Captain Settle]

Vote: SpiderMan(Goliath)

I don't think anyone seemed particularly scummy, but Goliaths constant suspicions of random players for no good reason seemed a bit odd, almost like he was trying really hard to make us think he's town.

Sorry, didn't see defs post about not saying Spider-Man.

[Mencot]

If a mod-kill happens, I'll change my vote (obviously hahaha). I'll be inactive for the next eight or so hours but hopefully there is some discussion that will help me know who to vote for if I do end up needing to change.

She won´t be mod killed if she would place one comment with her vote. But she would hell yeah look really bad doing it.

Mencot, you seem to quite agree with jamesn on saying Scaveola and Lord Duvors are acting up (you also say me too, and I'd like it if you were to share the reason why). And, before this, jamesn was quite serious on defending your Miller claim, even to the point of accusing others (yes, I know I literally just said this). I wonder why he would trust you so much in the first day?

I never said they are acting up, like meaning they work together?

I agree on somethings Jamesn says but I don´t know if he is scum or town non can tell in day 1 who is,

but I wouldn´t say he is the scummiest today, so far.

I think Jamsn trust me because he trusts the miller role and millers are vanilla town.

I find your behaviour cutcobra to be rather straight forward, that doesn´t make you scum but an eager looking town.

But.. there is always a but. You seem SO obsessed with the miller claim, Jamesn and me. Good to see you are eager to find scum but are you hiding something?

[Cutcobra]

I find your behaviour cutcobra to be rather straight forward, that doesn´t make you scum but an eager looking town.

But.. there is always a but. You seem SO obsessed with the miller claim, Jamesn and me. Good to see you are eager to find scum but are you hiding something?

I'm not obsessed with the miller claim or you. I don't think you're a miller but I'm not sure, and I was interested to know why you and jamesn found Lord Duvors and Scaevola scummy (I didn't see any actual reasons before). And I am obsessed with jamesn as I'm still believing that he was scum after he's accusations earlier in the day.

*is scum

Sorry, typo.

[Kintobor]

Not yet. At this point I'd just be throwing a dart at a board to pick someone. That doesn't make me scummy, despite what Dr might say about waiting to vote. Just means I'd rather have a reason behind my vote rather than joining a baseless bandwagon.

I can understand where your coming from, but you defending Goliath seems odd. His claim against Lind Whisperer was baseless, he was basically trying to get something where there wasn't any, and his general attitude of doing nothing and seeing what happens is generally anti-town.

Richila, your online as of this post. Tell me, what's your thoughts of the situation?

[Mencot]

I don't think you're a miller but I'm not sure,

So basically if you don´t think I am telling the truth about the miller role, then you think I am scum, right?

Actually it would be a great twist if a scum would play this stunt but it would be a really risky business if he/she would screw up because it would be an insta-losing one scum member.

I think Richila is reading up right now, so lets give her some slack, but if she doesn´t bother to comment this time either then... yea.

[Richila]

(Reality: I haven't spoken because I had no power and my phone was my only access to the internet until this morning. We are not allowed to edit and I didn't want to mess up my posting. I have been reading.)

Thank you, Marge, for your defense early on. Are there any cupcakes left? I am starving after my nap.

[Lind Whisperer]

(Reality: I haven't spoken because I had no power and my phone was my only access to the internet until this morning. We are not allowed to edit and I didn't want to mess up my posting. I have been reading.)

Fully understandable.

I was not trying to target you earlier, just for reference, I was merely checking to see who had posted and who hadn't.

[jluck]

(Reality: I haven't spoken because I had no power and my phone was my only access to the internet until this morning. We are not allowed to edit and I didn't want to mess up my posting. I have been reading.)

Thank you, Marge, for your defense early on. Are there any cupcakes left? I am starving after my nap.

Glad your here and have power back, I am hoping you add more to this conversation then just role play though. Have you made any obsevations from reading?