jluck Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 Here is a bit of speculation guys. Scaevola had voted for Lord Duvors twice, and had changed her vote twice to get a lynch. Could it be that Duvors saw that she was dead set on lynching him, and knew that he needed to get rid of her? I believe this is scaevola's vote explaining her logic... As for the lynch today, I'm still adamant in lynching Lord Duvors. I cite his initial fluff and poor justifications, as well as my observation yesterday about his fickle, scummy voting tendencies. I acknowledge that through experience Stinky Dave is a lucid reader, but I'm not sold on the PM conversation, as it could have been fabricated. However, I cannot debunk it either. However, I feel Lord Duvors extreme magnitude of scumminess in Day 1. Therefore I'm going to Vote: Lord Duvors (Lord Duvors) Later on, the vote was changed, but it didn't appear that she was sold on voting for Dave. So clearly scaevola was suspicious of duvor, but Dave was not. Two dead, both with opposing views. I I know Mencot is also a popular choice today so there's a lot to consider.
Yzalirk Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 Here is a bit of speculation guys. Scaevola had voted for Lord Duvors twice, and had changed her vote twice to get a lynch. Could it be that Duvors saw that she was dead set on lynching him, and knew that he needed to get rid of her? But why would he just go for her if many other voted against him?
Brickelodeon Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 Because she voted for him the second day too. Most people forgot how suspicious he was, and voted for Dave, she was the only one who went after him again.
TheLazyChicken Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 And what is the deal with LazyChicken1 anyways? Has he been busy or just trying to conceal his scumminess? Hey, I have a job to do during the day. I have no idea how all of you manage to have som much time here but that is why I am not really so active. I don't have nothing to contribute to either. My original suspicion was Scaevola or Xenophobic Monoxide because of how close their posts seemed to be when Mencot claimed Miller, meaning they could be working together. Now that we see that Scaevola was town, I am pretty sure that Xenophobic Monoxide is scum. Also its TheLazyChicken not the LazyChicken1, you might be getting confused with Adventurer1.
Xenophobic Monoxide Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 Hey, I have a job to do during the day. I have no idea how all of you manage to have som much time here but that is why I am not really so active. I don't have nothing to contribute to either. My original suspicion was Scaevola or Xenophobic Monoxide because of how close their posts seemed to be when Mencot claimed Miller, meaning they could be working together. Now that we see that Scaevola was town, I am pretty sure that Xenophobic Monoxide is scum. Also its TheLazyChicken not the LazyChicken1, you might be getting confused with Adventurer1. If Scaevola was town, and you thought we were working together (we weren't) why would I be scum?
TheLazyChicken Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 If Scaevola was town, and you thought we were working together (we weren't) why would I be scum? I said that I thought you two were working together on day 1. Now I am not suspecting you because its day 3 and now we know she is town.
StickFig Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 Now that we see that Scaevola was town, I am pretty sure that Xenophobic Monoxide is scum. I said that I thought you two were working together on day 1. Now I am not suspecting [Xenophobic Monoxide] because its day 3 and now we know [scaevola] is town. You just said exactly the opposite. Which one of these statements did you actually mean? Also its TheLazyChicken not the LazyChicken1, you might be getting confused with Adventurer1. That might be true... adventurer1 has been pretty quiet recently. 21 posts on Day One, but only 5 on Day Two. Disappearing act to stay out of the public eye? Since Richila is scum, and she was known for being a low poster from the beginning, that may mean that the scum are staying quiet more or less on purpose, so we should be wary of those who are staying too quiet. Day 1, Bottom 5 Posters Kintobor 14 StickFig 13 Scaevola 12 Captain Settle 8 Richila 7 Day 2, 5 Posts or Fewer Lord Duvors 6 Cutcobra 5 Richila 5 adventurer1 5 Pyrovisionary 5 Richila is consistently at the bottom, but I think it's kind of cluttered otherwise. The game has been quieter overall after Day One (432 replies vs. 190). * That should say "Day Two, Bottom 5 Posters", sorry.
TheLazyChicken Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 You just said exactly the opposite. Which one of these statements did you actually mean? I am trying to mean that he was 'not' scum. I forgot to put the 'not' in there.
Lady K Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 You just said exactly the opposite. Which one of these statements did you actually mean? That might be true... adventurer1 has been pretty quiet recently. 21 posts on Day One, but only 5 on Day Two. Disappearing act to stay out of the public eye? Since Richila is scum, and she was known for being a low poster from the beginning, that may mean that the scum are staying quiet more or less on purpose, so we should be wary of those who are staying too quiet. Day 1, Bottom 5 Posters Kintobor 14 StickFig 13 Scaevola 12 Captain Settle 8 Richila 7 Day 2, 5 Posts or Fewer Lord Duvors 6 Cutcobra 5 Richila 5 adventurer1 5 Pyrovisionary 5 Richila is consistently at the bottom, but I think it's kind of cluttered otherwise. The game has been quieter overall after Day One (432 replies vs. 190). * That should say "Day Two, Bottom 5 Posters", sorry. In my case I haven't had the time today. As for day two, I don't believe in posting a lot of fluff. If I can't add to the conversation usefully, I won't post. I went back over the last two days and looked at posts, voting trends, and suspicions. I hope to add something useful soon. I do have a question for Lind Whisperer. Please clarify your posts #153 and #155 from Day 2 on page 7, I believe. To me both sound very anti-town and scummy.
Mencot Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 I do have a question for Lind Whisperer. Please clarify your posts #153 and #155 from Day 2 on page 7, I believe. To me both sound very anti-town and scummy. Here is what Lind said: Brickelodeon, on 11 October 2014 - 10:41 PM, said: I don't think you are right about this Lind, if they are working together, they are doing a pretty good job of seeming like enemies. However, they are going a bit overboard, and I doubt they will be able to stop the band wagon from lynching one of them. They are both making themselves look scummier and scummier, and eventually this won't work in their favor. This is all speculation, but I think only one of them is scum. Like I said, slightly unhinged. I'm just trying to remind people not to feel too comfortable with anyone. No one's proven to be town until they're dead. Also, coming up with new theories helps keep us from falling into one view on everything. Of course, on the other hand, you have to be careful that you don't come up with too many new theories. If you do that, then you enter into crowd hysteria. The concept, is to keep the water gently stirred, but not so that it's sloshing over the rim. I agree on that one shouldn´t shoot in every direction, "too many theories" that will just confuse everyone. About the low post count, it is something on or two scum sports with, so looking into them is good, altough we got one of the quiet scum so the others are probably more vocal than that, helping out. Trying to sneak into the pro town block.
Lind Whisperer Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 I do have a question for Lind Whisperer. Please clarify your posts #153 and #155 from Day 2 on page 7, I believe. To me both sound very anti-town and scummy. Post #153 ...Like I said, slightly unhinged. I had recently posted a possible scum theory that was a bit out there, and when I posted it, I said that I knew the idea sounded slightly unhinged. People agreed that it was a bit out there, and I agreed right back. I'm just trying to remind people not to feel too comfortable with anyone. No one's proven to be town until they're dead. Also, coming up with new theories helps keep us from falling into one view on everything. I meant exactly what I said. People were becoming too comfortable pointing fingers at their favorite suspects, and I was reminding them that we don't actually know who is scum and who isn't until after they're dead, which can lead us quickly into danger if we suspect the wrong people. (For instance, Richilia. A few of us had suspicions, but no one really seemed to consider her a major threat.) I also was reminding people that by coming up with new theories frequently as the evidence changes, we lessen the risk of our only having a few slightly different views on who should be a suspect. Of course, on the other hand, you have to be careful that you don't come up with too many new theories. If you do that, then you enter into crowd hysteria. The concept, is to keep the water gently stirred, but not so that it's sloshing over the rim. Here I was warning against the dangers of going too far with new ideas. If we do nothing but make new theories, we will have trouble thinking to the best of our rational abilities. We should make just enough new theories so that we aren't stagnant, but not so many we get confused. And after I typed all of this, I realize that I just basically restated everything I said in only slightly different words... Was the original really that hard to understand? I thought it was fairly clear...
jluck Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 Here is what Lind said: I agree on that one shouldn´t shoot in every direction, "too many theories" that will just confuse everyone. About the low post count, it is something on or two scum sports with, so looking into them is good, altough we got one of the quiet scum so the others are probably more vocal than that, helping out. Trying to sneak into the pro town block. While agree that we shouldn't be shooting too many theories around, we're nowhere near that today. We're not getting anything fresh, and it's killing us! Remember, now that we're later into the game, there are less players and thus fewer places for scum to hide. If everyone is vocal, the scum are forced to talk as well and may slip up. I agree with your second point though, we can't generalize the scum as being all quiet, chances are pretty good that at least one or two scummies have been fairly vocal.
Mencot Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 Yes true and we need some new theory or lead to go on today. Because as Jluck said we don´t really have anything. Richila and the vote pattern is our best shot.
Mencot Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 We are about 16 hours into day 3 now and to my count still 3 players haven't said anything. Town, we need to make a stand to day, break the circle. we are to blame for lynching 2 townies, scum did a great job in the shadows fooling us but we sealed the deals. And yes I was driving hard on the Dave case, as was Dave a key figure lynching Jamesn. What I mean is, we the town can still win this if we Work together as a team, speak up and contribute. Try hard to not post much fluff
StickFig Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 About the low post count, it is something on or two scum sports with, so looking into them is good, altough we got one of the quiet scum so the others are probably more vocal than that, helping out. Trying to sneak into the pro town block. After looking through all the vote counts, I agree. Lind Whisperer 48 + 19 = 67 (+ 3 = 70) Brickelodeon 34 + 18 = 52 (+ 4 = 56) Mencot 20 + 27 = 47 (+ 7 = 54) Lord Duvors 34 + 6 = 40 (+ 0 = 40) jluck 22 + 15 = 37 (+ 4 = 41) Xenophobic Monoxide 26 + 9 = 35 (+ 3 = 38) Goliath 25 + 8 = 33 (+ 5 = 38) adventurer1 21 + 5 = 26 (+ 2 =28) Pyrovisionary 20 + 5 = 25 (+ 0 = 25) Cutcobra 20 + 5 = 25 (+ 4 = 29) TheLazyChicken 15 + 8 = 23 (+ 3 = 26) StickFig 13 + 10 = 23 (+ 3 = 26) Kintobor 14 + 7 = 21 (+ 0 = 21) Captain Settle 8 + 11 = 19 (+ 1 = 20) Richila and the vote pattern is our best shot. Again, I agree. Here is the voting pattern. Day 1 - Thanks Pirate Dave for you roll-up on Day One StickFig votes Richila (1) Mencot Votes Goliath (1) Kintobor votes Goliath (2) XM votes Goliath (3) Lind Whisperer votes Goliath (4) Cutcobra votes Jamesn (1) Jamesn votes Lord Duvors (1) Brickelodeon votes Goliath (5) Captain Settle votes Goliath (6) MT votes Dave (1) Goliath votes Jamesn (2) Lord Duvors votes Goliath (7) Jluckhaupt votes Goliath (8) Lord Duvors unvotes Goliath (7) Mencot unvotes Goliath (6) Dave votes Lord Duvors (2) Mencot votes Lord Duvors (3) XM unvotes Goliath (5) votes jamesn (3) Captain Settle unvotes Goliath (4) votes Lord Duvors (4) Richila votes Jamesn (4) (3 way tie) Lord Duvors Vote Jamesn (5) Jluckhaupt unvotes Goliath (3) votes Lord Duvors (5) Adventurer1 votes Lord Duvors (6) Kintobor unvotes Goliath (2) votes Lord Duvors (7) Bricklodeon unvotes Goliath (1) votes Jamesn (6) Pyrovisionary votes Lord Duvors (8) Pyrovisionary unvotes Lord Duvors (7) Lord Duvors unvotes Jamesn (5) Scaveola votes Lord Duvors (8) TheLazyChicken votes Jamesn (6) StickFig votes Captain Settle (1) MT unvotes Dave (0) votes Captain Settle (2) Lord Duvors Votes Jamesn (7) Pirate Dave unvotes Lord Duvors (7) votes Jamesn (8) Lind Whisperer unvotes Goliath (0) mostlytechnic unvotes Captain Settle (1) votes James (9) Lind Whisperer votes Captain Settle (2) Scaevola unvotes Lord Duvors (6) votes Jamesn (10) StickFig unvotes Captain Settle (1) votes Jamesn (11) Lind Whisperer unvotes Captain Settle (0) votes Jamesn (12) Jamesn unvotes Lord Duvors (5) votes Lind Whisperer (1) Day Two Penalty votes Pyrovisionary (4) Mencot votes Stinky Dave (1) Brickelodeon votes Cutcobra (1) StickFig votes Captain Settle (1) Captain Settle votes Stinky Dave (2) Pyrovisionary votes Captain Settle (2) Kintobor votes Captain Settle (3) Lord Duvors votes Captain Settle (4) Cutcobra votes Stinky Dave (3) JLuck votes StickFig (1) Stinky Dave votes StickFig (2) Scaevola votes Lord Duvors (1) Adventurer1 votes Stinky Dave (4) Kintobor unvotes Captain Settle (3) votes Stinky Dave (5) Brickelodeon unvotes Cutcobra (0) JLuck unvotes Stickfig (1) votes Stinky Dave (6) Stinky Dave unvotes StickFig (0) votes Mencot (1) XenoMono votes Stinky Dave (7) Brickelodeon votes Stinky Dave (8) Scaevola unvotes Lord Duvors (0) votes Stinky Dave (9)***** TheLazyChicken votes Stinky Dave (10) Goliath votes Stinky Dave (11) Richila votes Stinky Dave (12) Lind Whisperer votes Stinky Dave (13)
Mencot Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 Thanks stickfig for the voting pattern and comment count list. Hmm a few players stands out a bit.
Brickelodeon Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 It's time to get someone mad at me! Mencot, here is a theory on you: You are scum. You received a PM from Def telling you who all of your scum buddies are, and you noticed that there was no Godfather. You, being an experienced player, decided that there would most likely be no Miller either. You then told the entire world that YOU are the Miller, hoping to gain a lot of trust, and protect you from investigation. In your past experiences, you know that the Miller claim is usually legitimate, so you are just using it to your advantage. Okay, there it is. I'm ready for the flame now (because scum usually defend themselves by accusing others). Now this doesn't mean I'm going to vote for you, I was just thinking too much last night.
Lind Whisperer Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 That theory actually has some sound logic behind it. I'm not saying it's right or it's wrong, but I'm looking forward to seeing what Mencot has to say in rejoinder.
Mencot Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 It's time to get someone mad at me! Mencot, here is a theory on you: You are scum. You received a PM from Def telling you who all of your scum buddies are, and you noticed that there was no Godfather. You, being an experienced player, decided that there would most likely be no Miller either. You then told the entire world that YOU are the Miller, hoping to gain a lot of trust, and protect you from investigation. In your past experiences, you know that the Miller claim is usually legitimate, so you are just using it to your advantage. Okay, there it is. I'm ready for the flame now (because scum usually defend themselves by accusing others). Now this doesn't mean I'm going to vote for you, I was just thinking too much last night. I am suprised that you didn´t vote for me (yet) Yes I have gotten a Pm from Def but it was the miller role and Vanilla town PM included in it. That theory is actually good, I haven´t seen scum use it ever but it actually could work but it would be a total gamble and risky business, because if it goes the worst way around the scum claiming it will be lynched and the scumteam is down one player. And the others can be in trouble also because they have had to support the player claiming. So that is why I think I haven´t seen it done is becuase of the risks and the other scum buddies wouldn´t allow something like it. And no I am not scum, the miller claim is legit. My action yesterday was also a gamble but I wasn´t the only one thinking Dave was scum, he did act totally strange.
Cutcobra Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 It's time to get someone mad at me! Mencot, here is a theory on you: You are scum. You received a PM from Def telling you who all of your scum buddies are, and you noticed that there was no Godfather. You, being an experienced player, decided that there would most likely be no Miller either. You then told the entire world that YOU are the Miller, hoping to gain a lot of trust, and protect you from investigation. In your past experiences, you know that the Miller claim is usually legitimate, so you are just using it to your advantage. Okay, there it is. I'm ready for the flame now (because scum usually defend themselves by accusing others). Now this doesn't mean I'm going to vote for you, I was just thinking too much last night. This is theory is oretty legit, but I'm still torn between you, TheLazyChicken or Mencot so I'm gonna save my vote for now. And I don't have much to say about any of you because I already said it earlier in the day.
Brickelodeon Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 Your vote for Dave is not something that I would use to point you out as scum, he seemingly did everything possible to make himself look bad.
Kintobor Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 And no I am not scum, the miller claim is legit. My action yesterday was also a gamble but I wasn´t the only one thinking Dave was scum, he did act totally strange. Prove it. If you can actually prove the miller claim is legit, then that's that, but since you really can't there's no real reason to say it's legit. The words your looking for are "trust me, I'm the miller, and I know I'm the miller", which really doesn't help since you could easily fake the miller claim. Also, good job to whoever got Richila, even if they are the serial killer.
jluck Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 Prove it. If you can actually prove the miller claim is legit, then that's that, but since you really can't there's no real reason to say it's legit. The words your looking for are "trust me, I'm the miller, and I know I'm the miller", which really doesn't help since you could easily fake the miller claim. Also, good job to whoever got Richila, even if they are the serial killer. The problem is, there is no good way to prove a miller claim. If you're the miller, you're the miller. In my limited playing, I've never seen scum claim miller because there isn't much reward for it. Not saying it couldn't happen, it's just unusual.
Mencot Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 Your vote for Dave is not something that I would use to point you out as scum, he seemingly did everything possible to make himself look bad. Okay (not ok-ey). So what is? The miller thing? The miller as a role is totally useless anymore, it brings balance to the game. Because it takes away so of the power of the cop, thats why One needs to claim in first post. I think you people should accuse me with something else, anything! If not, then lets concentrate on finding the real scum. And kintobor, what did you mean with serial killer? And kintobor, what did you mean with serial killer? That is not a town role? Sorry for the double post, mobile messed up something.
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