4-6-2 LNER Class A3 4472 'Flying Scotsman'

[dr_spock]

Looks really good. Do the tile pieces have to be removed for printing?

[Paperballpark]

No, the printing can be done directly onto the model without it having to be taken apart. I have rebuilt the second tender yesterday though, to remove the tiled section, which makes it look better. I'll do the same to the first tender when I get back from Brick 2014. The first tender is a little more complex than the second...!

[zephyr1934]

I hope I did not offend with my earlier post of the Flying Scotsman in the US (and apologies if I did), I'm still stunned by that tour.

Meanwhile, as I said, I think the build looks great and I am anxious to see how the printed bricks turn out.

[Lazarus]

The US and Oz tour almost cost the loco Its life, the dual tender was rarly used in the UK and was for the long trips in OZ and US it was used for due to lack of water avalible on the routes.

Personaly the dual tender is the best looking out of all the difrent versions and there has been so many mods done over the years its not even close to the loco that came of the shed.

If it is going to be a dual tender then you need to remove the Smoke deflectors as this version did not have them.

There has become quite a few version done in lego now i did one about 2 years ago that is floating around this website. I would like to see some more other UK steam trains tryed, like a black 5 or a paciffic there is also the A1.

I have already have a A3 in 8 wide and a A4 in 7 Wide done.

Edited November 26, 2014 by Lazarus

[Dread Pirate Rob]

Just to add some more prototype information, I went on it in Australia in 1988. It didn't have the two tenders for that trip. It does remain the only steam engine to have travelled the width of Australia from coast to coast Sydney to Perth (that I know of).

Great build and proportions. good luck with the printing.

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

Oh, that is an absolutely gorgeous build. I'd love to see it next to the Emerald Night (which to me looks like a Peppercorn loco in BR Brunswick Green) some day. You've done a very splendid job. But why, oh why, oh why do you think the Flying Scotsman's smoke deflectors look good? The pair fitted to that loco ruin the look of the front - they're hideous slapped-on things! You haven't even built it with the Kylchap double-chimney that made them necessary!

From what I've seen, the canteen tender was used fairly often in the UK, at least during the period the engine was owned by Alan Peggler after he rescued it from scrap. Said tender was his idea, and was converted from an existing coal tender. It has since been retired, as Flying Scotsman resides at the National Railway Museum in York rather than perpetually roaming the rails, and thus no longer has to be dealing with the lack of track pans and water cranes (in the end days of British main line steam, watering points between yards were removed at a rapid rate).

Edited December 16, 2014 by ZeldaTheSwordsman

[Heppeng]

From what I've seen, the canteen tender was used fairly often in the UK, at least during the period the engine was owned by Alan Peggler after he rescued it from scrap. Said tender was his idea, and was converted from an existing coal tender. It has since been retired

The Tender has been refurbished and is now used on occasion by A4 Pacific 'Bittern'

Edited December 16, 2014 by Heppeng

[Redimus]

The Tender has been refurbished and is now used on occasion by A4 Pacific 'Bittern'

Little known fact, for a long time, the A1 Trust seriously considered using Flying Scotsman's 2nd tender's frames for Tornado's tender until common sense prevailed and it was decided that the all new build loco should really have an all knew build tender.

[Heppeng]

The A1 trust actually bought it. The tanks, still showing the BR Blue/grey livery, were by then completely rusted through so it was stripped down to its frames. However I think the A1 trust wanted roller bearings, and the original frames were plain bearing and would require some work to convert, so they decided that they may as well build new. The frames and running gear were then sold on, and ended up having a new tank made and used for Bittern.

[Hrw-Amen]

Looks really good, i must get back into steam next year after so many diesels.

[Redimus]

The A1 trust actually bought it. The tanks, still showing the BR Blue/grey livery, were by then completely rusted through so it was stripped down to its frames. However I think the A1 trust wanted roller bearings, and the original frames were plain bearing and would require some work to convert, so they decided that they may as well build new. The frames and running gear were then sold on, and ended up having a new tank made and used for Bittern.

I know, my Dad's the Director of Engineering, lol.

[Paperballpark]

Oh, that is an absolutely gorgeous build. I'd love to see it next to the Emerald Night (which to me looks like a Peppercorn loco in BR Brunswick Green) some day. You've done a very splendid job. But why, oh why, oh why do you think the Flying Scotsman's smoke deflectors look good? The pair fitted to that loco ruin the look of the front - they're hideous slapped-on things! You haven't even built it with the Kylchap double-chimney that made them necessary!

Thanks! I don't have the Emerald Night yet, so can't compare it.

To be honest, the smoke deflectors were put on partly because I like them, and partly because they help to hide a couple of the more ugly bits of the build - namely, the tubes coming down from the boiler (where they join the boiler, which isn't pretty), and the front boiler door, which in all honesty is just too small (it's 4 wide, when 5 wide would be ideal). I'm looking into swapping the chimney for the Kylchap version, but it's not quite as easy to do as the current one.

EDIT: Just realised I didn't answer your question. I think I like the smoke deflectors because they give it a bit more 'sense of purpose' if you like. It's hard to explain really, I guess it comes down to personal choice. But I will stress that the front of the boiler on the model doesn't look half as good without them.

Edited December 16, 2014 by Paperballpark

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

Thanks! I don't have the Emerald Night yet, so can't compare it.

To be honest, the smoke deflectors were put on partly because I like them, and partly because they help to hide a couple of the more ugly bits of the build - namely, the tubes coming down from the boiler (where they join the boiler, which isn't pretty), and the front boiler door, which in all honesty is just too small (it's 4 wide, when 5 wide would be ideal). I'm looking into swapping the chimney for the Kylchap version, but it's not quite as easy to do as the current one.

EDIT: Just realised I didn't answer your question. I think I like the smoke deflectors because they give it a bit more 'sense of purpose' if you like. It's hard to explain really, I guess it comes down to personal choice. But I will stress that the front of the boiler on the model doesn't look half as good without them.

Ah, okay. Thanks.

I really like the use of "Classic whip"/dangling-vine pieces as brake pipes, it's very clever. As far as the cab windows go... The pieces that would do the job more properly might not exist in green, but they are available in white; that means it would be possible to dye them green using RIT dye with acetone added.

Edited December 16, 2014 by ZeldaTheSwordsman

[Paperballpark]

^ Regarding the train windows, there's no need to bother dying them, I'm going to get the green printed directly onto the clear windows when I get the rest of the train decals printed.

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

^ Regarding the train windows, there's no need to bother dying them, I'm going to get the green printed directly onto the clear windows when I get the rest of the train decals printed.

I know, you've said as much already. I was just thinking that dyeing white ones would be a way to have the detail sculpted rather than just printed.

[Redimus]

Are there no single or double window frames in the correct colour? Would be much simpler than labeling the windows.

[Paperballpark]

Nope, they're not available in green at all - not even as rare pieces. If they had been, I'd have bought them.

[Paperballpark]

Well, rather later than I was hoping for, I've finally got the details printed onto this, and I'm extremely pleased with how it's turned out.

For the person who asked whether the parts had to be removed to be printed onto, yes, some of them did. Where it was printing onto a flat surface though, they didn't.

You can see full size pics on my flickr account here.

[THERIZE]

Well, rather later than I was hoping for, I've finally got the details printed onto this, and I'm extremely pleased with how it's turned out.

For the person who asked whether the parts had to be removed to be printed onto, yes, some of them did. Where it was printing onto a flat surface though, they didn't.

You can see full size pics on my flickr account here.

tha tha that is the most beautiful LEGO train i have ever seen in my life and i bet i will never see one that is better!! Those sickers the colours everything!!!! I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!! if it would be for sale i would spend more money on it for buying then on a real car!!! I love it!!!!! Although you could try to make working cylinders. BUT I STILL LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Paperballpark]

Thanks! Unfortunately I can't make working cylinders on it, as the PF motor is in the pony truck, and that's too high to also do cylinders - the PF motor truck would hit it when going around the corners.

Oh and the details are printed directly onto the bricks - there are no stickers on the model at all! I should say a big thank you to Minifigforlife who did the printing for it.

Edited May 30, 2015 by Paperballpark

[THERIZE]

Thanks! Unfortunately I can't make working cylinders on it, as the PF motor is in the pony truck, and that's too high to also do cylinders - the PF motor truck would hit it when going around the corners.

Oh and the details are printed directly onto the bricks - there are no stickers on the model at all! I should say a big thank you to Minifigforlife who did the printing for it.

No stickers? So the LNER and the 4472 stickers are printed on lego bricks? What the heck?!

[GSD Jerrys]

Amazing train. Looks so realistic

[Redimus]

Thanks! Unfortunately I can't make working cylinders on it, as the PF motor is in the pony truck, and that's too high to also do cylinders - the PF motor truck would hit it when going around the corners.

I know it's probably a bit late, but wouldn't it have been easier to power one of the tenders, allowing more leeway for working valve gear (and also just generally easier than fitting the motor in the engine)?

[Paperballpark]

That would have compromised the look of it though - the PF motor truck has too large a wheelbase to use it in the tender with another two axles either side. Anyway, yes it is too late now! ;)

[Man with a hat]

Wow, those prints look extremely good. It is really a perfect finish for this train.