Latest CMF series impact on Historic themes

[x105Black]

Did you ever consider that red and green were chosen as traditional Christmas colors because they look good together.

I can understand if personal opinions differ from objective fact....but the objective fact (by the rules of color) is that red and green go together VERY well.

Of course I understand that, but there is an association that sours that combination during all other times of the year.

All of this is beside the point. I personally feel that for this minifigure, there is a disconnect between the figure and the shield (in relation to color choices).

[Artanis I]

Yes, bright light orange, as in the colour on the CMF jester. Mostly just for minifig arms, plumes and a banner colour. I started to build a faction based on it a few months ago, and I'm trying to incorporate a recolour of this.

[Rogue Angel]

Lego green and red do not go well together. I question the shield coloring given the rest of the knight, but I have no issue swapping in a more appropriate shield, and creating another bear faction with this shield.

[Robert8]

It's an odd match for sure...

But maybe they wanted to give him a very unique look

[Captain Dee]

I usually don't like big variations in color for armored historic figures, but while I'm not crazy about the red and green, I don't think it looks terrible. I can live with it.

I think people dislike that combination in general (not just in the context of this conversation) only because of Christmas, which really strikes me as odd. The colors were complimentary long before there was a holiday that associated with them. Red and green don't mean "Christmas" and I think it's funny that people shy away from them. Again, I would prefer either red or green, but I think it works. I don't think that combo was an accident or an oversight - the designers know better than that.

I'm willing to at least give this figure a try as-is.

[thetang22]

Lego green and red do not go well together.

I've seen this mentioned more than once...that "Lego" red and green don't go well together. There's nothing about it being "Lego" that makes the color work any more or less. They are still just colors. ...And red and green are complimentary colors. People can dislike the combination all they want...but they do go together well (objectively).

[Rogue Angel]

Despite the fact that red and green are seen in combination at Christmas, it is still a matter of opinion, and the shade of a color makes a big difference in how colors look together so 'Lego green' implies that specific shade of green.

My point is that you can easily swap out the shield if you don't like the color combination. Some people don't like to modify their figs from the Lego release, but I have no issue with it.

[Metanoios]

The new Scary Knight's Torso and legs can easily be used for generic Rohirrim Soldiers! So thats a nice addition.

As far as the shield goes, I do like the new heraldry, but I have to agree that the red colour doesn't match all that well with the dark green...

[Sigolf Brimabane]

I'm colourblind. And I'll wait till I get the figure in my hand before I give the final verdict. Colours never look the same on-screen. So far it looks pretty nice. I'm not really a fan of that pauldron piece but maybe it will grow on me. On another note I think red and blue look odd together, like on the red-blue barding from the Black Knights sets. Still a fantastic piece of barding though.

[MAB]

I've seen this mentioned more than once...that "Lego" red and green don't go well together. There's nothing about it being "Lego" that makes the color work any more or less. They are still just colors. ...And red and green are complimentary colors. People can dislike the combination all they want...but they do go together well (objectively).

It's Lego red and Lego green, so there is something about Lego in there. I don't like the colour combination but do like dark red and dark green. But then I don't really like Lego red or Lego green on their own either.PS I thought green and red were used a lot at Christmas due to them being available in nature and hence used as decoration. So leaves and berries.

[Artanis I]

I never considered red and green as Christmas colours. More like red and white, throw in some dark green.

But yes, the bright colours of Lego red and Lego green clash horribly.

And complementary colours (not complimentary) means they cancel each other out, with high striking contrast.

Yuck!

[MAB]

That looks like the Hungarian version of Futuron. Flip it round to green white red and you have the Italian one :-)

[thetang22]

But yes, the bright colours of Lego red and Lego green clash horribly.

And complementary colours (not complimentary) means they cancel each other out, with high striking contrast.

Sorry for the typo.

That being said...I guess my Art degree and extensive education in color theory means everybody is right except me when it comes to matters of understanding the connection between colors.

The "striking contrast" you mention - you say they "cancel each other out"...but the more accepted description would be that they "balance" together better than any other colors with each other.

[MAB]

Sorry for the typo.

That being said...I guess my Art degree and extensive education in color theory means everybody is right except me when it comes to matters of understanding the connection between colors.

The "striking contrast" you mention - you say they "cancel each other out"...but the more accepted description would be that they "balance" together better than any other colors with each other.

Remember they are complementary not complimentary. Yes, they are opposite each other on the colour wheel. That means that together they are high contrast, or could alternatively be described as vibrant or jarring. They clash. Analogous colours (ones next to each other on the wheel) create much more harmonic / comfortable designs.

[SirBlake]

I love it that we're discussing color theory in here.

I too have a design degree and have applied it in my work. I get the Christmas connotation enough to notice it with this knight, and I do feel it's a slightly odd combination because of it. That said, not everything has to match in a knight's arsenal. Individually the parts are great and I'll be getting a bunch of them.

All things considered, I do think it's the best knight so far in the CMF line.

[Ardelon]

"Jarring" as MAB put it describes the effect best for me. The colors clash too much - maybe the guy is a chaos knight, and its visible in the colors?

It is indeed my favorite fig of the series, but I will be using the shield separately, if at all. Not a fan of the red - dark red combo either.

While I do associate red and green with Christmas (and assume it is that way because of the evergreen holly plant, unlike other plants that lose leaves and dont have berries in the winter), this guy didnt evoke the holidays at all. Maybe its all the dark gray.

[x105Black]

Individually the parts are great and I'll be getting a bunch of them.

All things considered, I do think it's the best knight so far in the CMF line.

I agree with both of these statements.

I was a big fan of the Satyr at first, and I still am, but I see myself buying more of this character for all of the potential he brings.

[Artanis I]

By "cancel each other out" I meant if you overlay the colours you get grey. By "high striking constrast" I meant when the colours are next to each other.

Colour use in art is different from colour use in real-life situations. If I was going to paint something I might use that contrast to direct the viewer's attention.

I think I'll be grabbing multiples of the knight anyway, just not sure how I'll use them yet.

[Wardancer]

Maybe we should have a thread for "the impact of non castle themes on castle" in general? There we could mention the new tall skeletons in Minecraft or the new shields in Elves.

[x105Black]

Maybe we should have a thread for "the impact of non castle themes on castle" in general? There we could mention the new tall skeletons in Minecraft or the new shields in Elves.

That is a good idea. There are many non-Castle themes that have useful parts, from Nexo Knights to Star Wars.

[Robert8]

His official name is.......... Frightening Knight

Odd choice, IMO

http://shop.lego.com/en-NZ/Series-15-71011?fromListing=listing

[SirBlake]

I think it's a good name. I figure I'll get 5 or 6 to build a small scary bear faction and at least a few more for parts. I think a couple will have to be used to flesh out the ranks of Rohan at Helms Deep.

[kabel]

All this talk about color ... what you guys may not know though is that during the high middle ages the nobility was really keen on mixing all sorts of weird vibrant colors, often even having both sleaves or legs in several colors. I really like the new knight though!

[Preuss]

The new Scary Knight's Torso and legs can easily be used for generic Rohirrim Soldiers! So thats a nice addition.

I've really liked this idea and was finally able to feel 8 frightening knights to try it out - these guys aren't be that easy to army build with, as there are only three per box.

Anyway, I have no intent of reviving the color theory discussion, but I thought they are too dark to blend in with the original rohirrim. I've tried them with many different helms and wasn't happy with any. My best results were with assorted hairpieces instead of helmets, but even then I don't think they fit in with the Rohan army.

Now I'm thinking of using them as armored Mirkwood elves (which have a lot of dark green), either with elven hairpieces or hoods. Does anybody have other ideas?

[Blakstone]

I don't like the Flying Warrior as a minifig. The Chima armor with the clipon wings aren't my thing. But it is a case where the pieces are better than the sum of his parts. Once I remove the helmet, armor, and wings, I have a great Classical hero minifig. I like the winged helmet but it feels out of place here.

CM4Sci says that there will be "considerably medieval figure without an instrument" in the CMF 16 rumor thread.