technicbuilder Posted July 4, 2015 Posted July 4, 2015 Hello everybody, Here is my version from Ingmar great model Lowboy Tr4 trailer with jeep and booster and the mack Tr 12 I have build the truck with a white roof,some red parts in the doors need to be chaged into yellow. Quote
2LegoOrNot2Lego... Posted July 18, 2015 Author Posted July 18, 2015 Hello everybody, Here is my version from Ingmar great model Lowboy Tr4 trailer with jeep and booster and the mack Tr 12 I have build the truck with a white roof,some red parts in the doors need to be chaged into yellow. Thanks for sharing these pictures, it seems like your table is hardly long enough... Nice to have the Yellow version with the White roof!!! Great you took it your own way...! Quote
te_manaia Posted August 13, 2015 Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) HI Ingmar, as promised pics of my build. I used the color scheme of the 8285. I'm completely redesigning the truck to 12x12, full suspension, Sbrick, full remote, etc. but that will follow if you're interested. The changes I made to you're wonderful trailer are; 4 axles, axle 2 and 4 lift, different axle with stop and pulley disc to suggest a brake disc, longer deck, Longer neck, 2x Sbrick, motorized winch with integrated pulley, extended rear frame for extra support, red/white markers changed to trans orange/clear, LED PF for rear light, small change to the bottom to group all the PF cables. Please let me know what you think of my version of your creation Edited August 13, 2015 by te_manaia Quote
te_manaia Posted August 13, 2015 Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) Ingmar, I can upload a max of 100k per time, so I'll post theme one by one Well I can't upload anymore files. I've probably exceed my daily limit. Edited August 13, 2015 by te_manaia Quote
2LegoOrNot2Lego... Posted August 13, 2015 Author Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) Ingmar, I can upload a max of 100k per time, so I'll post theme one by one Well I can't upload anymore files. I've probably exceed my daily limit. Thanks for joining Eurobricks and for sharing us your pictures. I figured what goes wrong with the pictures! Best is to upload pictures to for example BrickSafe.com and then link to them here in your reply. That is what I did and most of us do and that is just great! Just a quick reply to help you out, well at least I try... Let me study the pictures and I'll get back again!!! Edited August 13, 2015 by 2LegoOrNot2Lego... Quote
pyro690 Posted September 17, 2015 Posted September 17, 2015 Built mine about 6 months ago, love it Quote
2LegoOrNot2Lego... Posted September 20, 2015 Author Posted September 20, 2015 Built mine about 6 months ago, love it Thanks for sharing this and great you love it!!! Unfortunately the pictures are very small and can not be enlarged... Nevertheless I can tell the loader looks amazing as load especially since the lowboy and truck are black! What truck did you use? Is it based on any original LEGO Technic set? Quote
pyro690 Posted September 20, 2015 Posted September 20, 2015 Sorry about the small pics hope this will be better. http://www.brickshel...ry.cgi?f=559068 Truck is my first build in studless, kinda based on 8285. Has a slightly modified version of your 5th wheel as my designs where getting me nowhere. Quote
2LegoOrNot2Lego... Posted September 24, 2015 Author Posted September 24, 2015 Sorry about the small pics hope this will be better. http://www.brickshel...ry.cgi?f=559068 Truck is my first build in studless, kinda based on 8285. Has a slightly modified version of your 5th wheel as my designs where getting me nowhere. No problem, these things do happen. Checked your Brickshelf folder, nice! That blue crane is also impressive as load! The truck is nice and we all have to start somewhere... You did well! Great that you could use my fifth wheel design. Quote
bonox Posted September 24, 2015 Posted September 24, 2015 I'm thrilled with your design Ingmar - Thanks again for making them available. I've bought a few of your instructions now and the attention to detail is outstanding! I really like the curves in the granite My trailer deck is a bit different from yours - I like the 8x8 mesh plates :) I did keep your extension rail idea, but they're not fitted. My float also uses another brick depth of reinforcing to counter bending, but it won't handle anything other than a flat floor now. ok compromise for an indoor model I think. Did you try any designs to get the dolly turntable closer to the middle? I'm guessing the longer trailer gooseneck is a bit too flexible? It would mirror the loading of the real ones more realistically and make the truck model take more load as well. Quote
2LegoOrNot2Lego... Posted September 28, 2015 Author Posted September 28, 2015 (edited) Thanks for the kind words... ...great you love it and I assume building it was a pleasure... The curves on the Granite, especially those of the fenders were challenging. Getting a little further step by step increased the fun, but also the inspiration. Yes I am very happy with the result myself too! Love those 8x8 mesh plates myself too, but are not that realistic. So that is why I changed them nevertheless it is great you used them!!! I am not sure what happens, but the gap between de truck's roof and it's sun visor. Maybe you can do a little check on it using the instructions... Just a thought, if you don't mind, I don't mind... You lost me a little here: Did you try any designs to get the dolly turntable closer to the middle? I'm guessing the longer trailer gooseneck is a bit too flexible? It would mirror the loading of the real ones more realistically and make the truck model take more load as well. Could you explain a little more? What I think I do understand is this: With dolly you mean the smaller trailer in-between both truck and lowboy. In what direction should it me more to the middle? To the front or to the back... There are quite some given distances like from lowboy's kingpin to the starting point of it's deck. Because of this the fifth wheel (is that what you mean with turn table?) can not be located more to the front... Maybe I am totally off, just let me know! BTW, nice pictures!!! Your couch is long enough... Edited September 28, 2015 by 2LegoOrNot2Lego... Quote
Kman860 Posted September 28, 2015 Posted September 28, 2015 Great job on the trailer, but the loading ramps look a little out of scale to me. Quote
bonox Posted September 28, 2015 Posted September 28, 2015 Thanks for the kind words... ...great you love it and I assume building it was a pleasure... The curves on the Granite, especially those of the fenders were challenging. Getting a little further step by step increased the fun, but also the inspiration. Yes I am very happy with the result myself too! I am not sure what happens, but the gap between de truck's roof and it's sun visor. Maybe you can do a little check on it using the instructions... Just a thought, if you don't mind, I don't mind... Certainly was a great build. I've replaced all of the 6571's you use in your suspensions (trailers included) to plain 1x3 liftarms, which might be useful for others as they're much easier to get and cheap and don't really change the suspension behaviour. I'll check the instructions on the visor for you, but the old B model my uncle used to drive had an offset wire visor. The gap wasn't that big though, so i'll look to fix it. I have built a model of what I mean with the dolly/jeep and i'll post a photo when I can. Because it's used to spread the load of the trailer over more tyres, the turntable/5th wheel ordinarily sits somewhere between the dolly axle group and the dolly kingpin. Your design has the turntable pretty much over the dolly axle group only which doesn't load the tractor/prime-mover at all. It's easy to see why you did it that way, but it could be tweaked to look like a real one in my opinion. I made my prototype using 43.2 tyres instead of 62.4 which is also what the real ones do to keep the length of the gooseneck shorter which is what I think you're saying. Anyway, I do love the set, and it looks great carrying Jennifer's crane Quote
2LegoOrNot2Lego... Posted September 29, 2015 Author Posted September 29, 2015 (edited) Great job on the trailer, but the loading ramps look a little out of scale to me. Thanks! You are right, yet they are very functional... Certainly was a great build. I've replaced all of the 6571's you use in your suspensions (trailers included) to plain 1x3 liftarms, which might be useful for others as they're much easier to get and cheap and don't really change the suspension behaviour. I'll check the instructions on the visor for you, but the old B model my uncle used to drive had an offset wire visor. The gap wasn't that big though, so i'll look to fix it. I have built a model of what I mean with the dolly/jeep and i'll post a photo when I can. Because it's used to spread the load of the trailer over more tyres, the turntable/5th wheel ordinarily sits somewhere between the dolly axle group and the dolly kingpin. Your design has the turntable pretty much over the dolly axle group only which doesn't load the tractor/prime-mover at all. It's easy to see why you did it that way, but it could be tweaked to look like a real one in my opinion. I made my prototype using 43.2 tyres instead of 62.4 which is also what the real ones do to keep the length of the gooseneck shorter which is what I think you're saying. Anyway, I do love the set, and it looks great carrying Jennifer's crane Replacing the 6571's might be useful indeed, but I do not entirely agree with you that it doesn't really change the behavior... While building suspension systems for my models, both trucks and trailers, I did experiment with loads and loads of solutions. Most solutions are okay, but are using the LEGO's free play...and that is not what I wanted... Having "tow ball" attachment IMHO is a must for most suspension system. Nevertheless you and others are free to skip the 6571's, these are hard to get indeed... Why I did not understand you the first time I don't know. Reading it once more now it makes perfect sense...sorry... Yes you are right! It does make sense to have the turntable/fifth wheel located halfway between the truck's and jeep's wheels. Weight is distributed equally, yet not all jeeps are that way. That is indeed what I was saying: for a LEGO model the disadvantage would be a longer gooseneck. Making the gooseneck sturdy enough as it is was already hard enough... Giving it more length would do it no good... Having smaller wheels though is a clever solution! You make me curious...! Searching the web I noticed quite a bunch of lowboy trailers with a second king pin. So one used to attach directly to the truck's fifth wheel and one (attached to a foldable part of the gooseneck) to attach to a jeep. Has been on my wish list while building this lowboy, but impossible to achieve with ABS... Absolutely agree that Jennifer's crane looks awesome, brilliant! I assume that after you finished the "smaller wheels" jeep, the current wheel will be used for this crane? Edited September 29, 2015 by 2LegoOrNot2Lego... Quote
bonox Posted September 29, 2015 Posted September 29, 2015 I have a set of white wheels for the crane - I just have to dig out the 8479 :) This is what I had in mind (as a 5 minute rush). The jeeps with the turntable over its own wheels tend to have lots of them. In this case, it would have 16 wheels on four axles plus a bit of load share onto the tractor, otherwise you would need ballast on it for traction. Maybe I should finish it :) I haven't built the rear add-on for the trailer yet, so your jeep will get converted to that :) I agree with you about the ball joints in the suspension for asymmetric (different height each side of an axle), but i'm only playing on a level floor. I do appreciate the test and design effort you put into it though. I am not sure what happens, but the gap between de truck's roof and it's sun visor. Maybe you can do a little check on it using the instructions... Just a thought, if you don't mind, I don't mind... I checked and your instructions are good - I made a mistake in following them Quote
2LegoOrNot2Lego... Posted September 29, 2015 Author Posted September 29, 2015 White wheels would do great on Jen's crane that is for sure. The instructions even tell to install white ones, or not? So you need the current wheels for the booster! I figured you maybe did not want to build it all, but if you do you need wheels... Yeah well that 5-minute-rush-setup makes sense, nice!!! Then imagine the gooseneck's kingpin is even more to the front! So that means you are going to have more room. What is basically the reason why I installed the slider. The fifth wheel can be located correctly for both direct gooseneck coupling or with the use of the jeep! Those small wheel look amazing by the way! Looking forward to see it finished... The jeep you refer too are common in Australia if I am correct? Nevertheless are you absolutely right, traction could be an issue! Having no load on the tractor's powered axles could get ugly...! There might be another lowboy someday with this knowledge implemented, my brains started processing already... That is nicely described: asymmetric. Did not think of that before, but that is exactly why the suspension systems an all my MOCs are that way. Playing around in the living room does not require this... Thanks for the kind words and I know you do appreciate. Just to make sure, what you wrote in your previous message was not taken as an offense or what so ever... Pffff, that means my instructions are clear...I started wondering Well these things do happen and obviously I notice these things as the designer... Quote
bonox Posted September 29, 2015 Posted September 29, 2015 (edited) Common? Yes - to say we have a few would be an understatement. There are two basic types - converter dollys to turn a semi trailer into a full trailer, and these are mostly used for road trains. Then there are the heavy haul dollys for load sharing, which is what you've designed. This one is a 2 x 8 as i've modelled half of above There's a better pic of the axle arrangement and 16 tyre gouping here: http://www.draketrailers.com/component/igallery/drake-trailers/dolly# I've never seen your booster here. We have a company called Drake who just keep adding axles to the primary trailer instead. I think this one would impress JaapTechnic sitting next to his nooteboom trailer :) This is a converter dolly. Turns a semi trailer into a trailer, turntable sits in the middle of the axle group, is fully braked and towed only - no load support from the tractor or leading trailer. We see groups of these often out west with three trailers in a train. Edited September 29, 2015 by bonox Quote
2LegoOrNot2Lego... Posted September 30, 2015 Author Posted September 30, 2015 Great! We are absolutely on the same page! Let me tell you why: I had this feeling our conversation would go this direction... My yesterdays reply was almost containing the question whether you are Australian...and yes you are! A converter dolly is already on my to do list. Quite an "easy" build which enables a lot of options. For those who build my trucks and trailers it would be nice to add this to there collection... Very nice picture you shared of this converter dolly, might be useful... Adding axles instead of a booster is an option as well Don't know why in the US boosters are used a lot, probably has to do with laws and permits... Adding boosters makes a trailer more flexible when it comes to configurations. Drake is by far one of my favorite lowboy trailer brands out there and really want to build one some day! It's on my to do/wish list for about five years now... So if I may need info I guess I can contact you? The on I do like to build does not have that many axles though...this is wicked (am I allowed to use this word? )! Anyways I really love this picture of yours! how many axles do you need? I am really looking forward to see your heavy haul dolly finished. If I would build one it would have full suspension, which is not easy on these... Thanks for sharing this with me, useful info and again right down my alley :thumbup: Quote
bonox Posted September 30, 2015 Posted September 30, 2015 (edited) Given your enthusiasm Ingmar, I can see why your models are so great. You really get a thrill out of heavy transport Since you're keen for me to finish, i've ordered some parts to create a single matching colour dolly for your trailer. Don't hold your breath for a quick build though - the parts are coming from your backyard so will take a while to get here. If you'd like any info from Australian manufacturers like Drake, I can't promise anything but i'd be very happy to talk to them on your behalf to find drawings, pictures etc of whatever you're interested in building. Those converter dolly's also come in two and three axle versions, but unless you're talking about unsealed (dirt) roads, then mostly the two axle version is used. For the boosters, i'm guessing that for rigid axles, they inprove turning radius and available configurations as you've said; makes the basic trailer easier to use when you don't need all five axles. Over here I generally see four axle lowboys with steering for those kinds of loads. Still, the US has some funny rules, especially in Illinois and adjacent states. I've seen some really weird axle configurations around Chicago! Edited September 30, 2015 by bonox Quote
2LegoOrNot2Lego... Posted October 1, 2015 Author Posted October 1, 2015 (edited) Yes absolutely, not only heavy transport, but it is unquestionably one of my favorite themes of transportation! Currently I am to bussy for such a quick build, would love to, but the honor is yours!!! Whenever I start the build of any Drake, I know where to find you... There is some useful info on the web, but I might require in-depth info. Yep, exactly, all those wheels are not always required. I suppose any transportation company that invests in such lowboy your previous message showed probably need that many wheels all the time... Most likely I will build a two axle converter. Less wheels mean less friction equals better playability... With this converter dolly, for example, two of my reefers can combined to make a small road train. More would not make sense because it needs a very powerful tractor! Yes indeed there are some funny rules and that leads to weird axle configs... Nice things to build models of though You've been to Chicago? Edited October 15, 2015 by 2LegoOrNot2Lego... Quote
wotdim Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 Hello, I was wondering if you had made a presentation brochure for your trailer? Indeed, I'll do a show where it is present and of course I wanted to quote you correctly. Thank you Quote
2LegoOrNot2Lego... Posted October 16, 2015 Author Posted October 16, 2015 Hello, I was wondering if you had made a presentation brochure for your trailer? Indeed, I'll do a show where it is present and of course I wanted to quote you correctly. Thank you Great that you build it... Did you love the build of this trailer? Which truck did you build to go with it? About your question, no I don't. Nice that you are showing it and that you want to tell people about it... What is it precisely what you would like to know about it? Quote
Bricker Bricker 72 Posted July 25, 2016 Posted July 25, 2016 (edited) this is mine version of the lowboy. For foto's, video,s and info. look at my flickr profile or You Tube Channel. Flickr: http://www.flickr.co...157670633472631 soon on You Tube: http://www.youtube.c...rickerbricker72 Edited July 25, 2016 by Bricker Bricker 72 Quote
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