eurotrash Posted December 19, 2014 Posted December 19, 2014 (edited) Here;'s a link to the BL announcement. http://alpha.brickli...ge?msgid=878137 "Through this collaboration, the threshold will be lower for MOC production in efforts to increase the number of custom MOCs available for consumers. You will be able to discover new MOCs on CUUSOO collected from all over the Internet and cast a vote for a specific model. Once the number of votes reaches 100, the MOC will be reviewed by BrickLink for commercialization. Alternatively, you can directly upload to MOC Shop if you already have your own creation. Kohei Nishyama, CEO of CUUSOO, stated, “We would like to work on this project to cultivate a new, organic brick community that will last a long time using our legacy and brand.” “I am just happy to serve the LEGO community with our services,” expressed Jay Kim, CEO of BrickLink. The joint project has attracted builders like Masao Hidaka, the builder of LEGO Piano which currently gained more than 9,000 supporters on LEGO Ideas. You can visit CUUSOO BRICK at https://cuusoo.com/brands/cuusoo-brick. Please extend our invitation to your family, friends, and other LEGO designers. – CUUSOO + BrickLink Staff" and to the cuusoo page itself https://cuusoo.com/brands/cuusoo-brick It'll be interesting to see how this pans out. Edited December 19, 2014 by eurotrash Quote
jodawill Posted December 19, 2014 Posted December 19, 2014 It seems to me that they're just piggybacking on the success of Lego CUUSOO, and they're hoping people searching for "Lego CUUSOO" will stumble upon their page. They already have the (unwanted) MOCShop. I don't see how this actually adds to the service in any way. Quote
Gnac Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 I just noticed that any old links to lego.cuusoo.com now redirect to "cuusoo-brick". So if you have any old projects which migrated to the new site, using the old link will no longer redirect to the the new project page. If this isn't accidental, then it's a pretty nasty trick. Quote
Darth Punk Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 From what I understand they are going to let people post projects that are not their own. While some might not care one should think about it this way. They are basically using other peoples hard work to promote themselves and make money. All without the express permission of the owner. Just something to think about. Quote
DD840 Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 "Upon original creator’s approval, building instructions and parts will be available at Bricklink.Both the original creator and user who recommended the brick project will receive royalties based on the brick project’s sales." If the original creator approves, I think it could be a nice idea for customers who aren't great at MOC'ing to be able to buy other sets without struggling to figure out the LDD and piece out a project. A lot of times I have no idea what custom projects cost and it's daunting for newbies. It might not go very far in any case. Quote
Heppeng Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 And what happens when someone convincingly pretends to be the original creator? Could get nasty. Quote
JGW3000 Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 (edited) Both the original creator and user who recommended the brick project will receive royalties Looks like a great opportunity for "MOC-trolling". So anyone can take anything posted on a public forum, Eurobricks for example, post it to this Cuusoo/Brinklink site, and get half the royalties??? This has the potential to put a serious damper on people posting MOCs on EB's - why would I post something I worked hard on, posted here on EB for the purpose of sharing and getting constructive feedback (and showing off, sometimes!), just to have some troll steal my IP. My best understanding of copyright law in the US, is that the creator of original works, which most MOCs are (even if they have licensed content), automatically own the original work and all derivatives, i.e pictures and instructions, related to that work, regardless if the copyright has been formally filed with the USPTO. If the original work involves licensed content, then there are other concerns of course. So what CuuSoo/Bricklink is doing is potentially tantamount to stealing copyrighted original works of art. Be curious to see how this all plays out, I'd know what I'd do if I find any of my content on their site (I've done similar in other areas of art and photography). Edited January 5, 2015 by JGW3000 Quote
rollermonkey Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 You gotta know it's shady when they don't use the right name for Lego Ideas in the "partnership" announcement. Quote
Darth Punk Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 Looks like a great opportunity for "MOC-trolling". So anyone can take anything posted on a public forum, Eurobricks for example, post it to this Cuusoo/Brinklink site, and get half the royalties??? This has the potential to put a serious damper on people posting MOCs on EB's - why would I post something I worked hard on, posted here on EB for the purpose of sharing and getting constructive feedback (and showing off, sometimes!), just to have some troll steal my IP. My best understanding of copyright law in the US, is that the creator of original works, which most MOCs are (even if they have licensed content), automatically own the original work and all derivatives, i.e pictures and instructions, related to that work, regardless if the copyright has been formally filed with the USPTO. If the original work involves licensed content, then there are other concerns of course. So what CuuSoo/Bricklink is doing is potentially tantamount to stealing copyrighted original works of art. Be curious to see how this all plays out, I'd know what I'd do if I find any of my content on their site (I've done similar in other areas of art and photography). Exactly. It's no different than if someone took photos from a Coke ad and used them to promote their business. Or taking a music artists work and using it on your website. Both of those would get you shut down in a heart beat. Unfortunately some use the internet to steal from those who either do not know better or do not have the time and/or resources to fight it. Quote
Phoxtane Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 I don't agree with the rules over how both the original creator and the person who found it get a portion of the royalties. I guess it's considered a near-literal 'finder's fee'? Either way, if I'm consenting to have my model be sold, I'd like the proceeds... I did all the work of making the model, didn't I? This whole thing gets a lot more complicated if the person who submitted it happened to be underage! Quote
SpacySmoke Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 One of my MOCs got recommended. If it gets full support, I will not give my approval. I believe only the MOC creator should be allowed to submit their MOC. I also don't like that you have register a user account for the site just to browse more projects. Quote
1974 Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 BL should read up on IP (that'll be the english version, not the chineese). This is not going to end well and I _really_ wish that BL would concentrate on fixing the core business instead of all these silly ventures .. sigh Quote
Lyichir Posted January 10, 2015 Posted January 10, 2015 Looking at the other replies to this topic, I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks this is sketchy as hell... When Bricklink got new ownership, I hoped that it would finally mean fixing the site's errors and giving it a better interface (maybe even shifting some of the categorization over to official Lego colors, but of course that was always a pipe dream). Unfortunately, all they've done is redesign the main page to make it worse (seriously, making a site that looks good on both desktop and mobile isn't THAT hard), and introduce side-projects like the MOC shop (decent) and then... this mess. Seriously. Lego Cuusoo offered clear incentives for support. If your project made it, it'd be redesigned by Lego's excellent staff and mass-marketed worldwide! This, though? All it does is tells the project creator to put the project up on the MOC shop... something they could have easily done WITHOUT going through Cuusoo. Of course, as some others have pointed out, it has another, darker purpose—diverting traffic from the actual, official Lego Ideas site (which some people still know only by the old name) to this shoddy knockoff site. If that's how Bricklink hopes to stay relevant in the face of rising competition, you can count me out. Quote
1974 Posted January 10, 2015 Posted January 10, 2015 maybe even shifting some of the categorization over to official Lego colors, but of course that was always a pipe dream Certainly hope not! TLG's own colour names are weird and feel very retro active (I'm positive that the colournames where red, blue, yellow, white, black and such in 60-80's, not what they call them now) I guess BL have allways been carefull not to rub TLG the wrong way, but making a deal with CUUSOO maybe won't fly too well in Billund. Starting to sell 'sets' certainly doesn't as far as I've been told Don't like this direction BL is going either. Wouldn't be too surprised if there will be 'other building brands' (aka asian copy crap) for sale there soon, This IP stuff is soo 1999 anyway Quote
Lind Whisperer Posted January 10, 2015 Posted January 10, 2015 I was originally considering putting a modified version of one of my own MOCs on there(An updated version of my Loadlifter Mech), since a MOC uploaded by the actual creator doesn't have the same potential problems as most of the site does, but the IP issue... Quote
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